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Yenshefu
post Jul 22 2023, 02:15 PM

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Thanks Ramjade and Adele for the insight. Will shop around to find one that suit my needs. Not really in a rush for now.
Btw, Generali plan can apply directly without agent. Maybe can get abit discount on the premium
QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 17 2023, 03:04 PM)
Just leave your contact here and see if AIA reply back to you. Form my experience they do get back to you.
https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/medi...ed-regular.html

GE I need warn you first before buying. They ask for everything and stupid stuff before they give you the GL. I give you few example, my friends gave me. Patient admitted for food poisoning. GE asked for colonoscope report. Basically a procedure where they put a camera into your butt and look at your large intestine.
Second one, patient came in for appendix (need to be operated on). Great Eastern asked for lipid blood test (no connection). Insurance more than like 5 years. Not sure why they asked for the test. Just my thoughts, GE is trying to reject/delay giving you the GL. When I heard all the issue with GE, I canceled my insurance with them straight away. Exercise my cooling period and get full refund. Better to pay more to AIA for ease of admission. Not saying Great Eastern won't issue you GL, they will issue the GL after they cannot find reason to reject you.

Not to mention Great Eastern does not have upgrade to new and better plan without new underwriting if your plan is obselete while AIA have it with certain terms and conditions. Not sure what are the terms and conditions. I known 2 people who got upgraded to the new and better plan even though they have illness. My guess is maybe if you never use the insurance?

Prudential as mentioned does not have standalone. Only Prudentialbsn have.
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post Jul 22 2023, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(Yenshefu @ Jul 22 2023, 02:15 PM)
Thanks Ramjade and Adele for the insight. Will shop around to find one that suit my needs. Not really in a rush for now.
Btw, Generali plan can apply directly without agent. Maybe can get abit discount on the premium
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Nah. They are still more expensive than AIA long term based off my calculation. Those cheap one are like gathercare (the on with the highest coverage), generally emedic (coverage only RM150k)

Shop around, get quotation, do your own calculations then decide. Price is not everything. It's part of the factor.
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post Jul 22 2023, 11:24 PM

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Hi guys, currently I'm on GE plan. Is there any chance or how to insure my parent as well (Age 68).

Can also suggest other insurance plan which is available for my mom's age. Thanks
MUM
post Jul 23 2023, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(90929155 @ Jul 22 2023, 11:24 PM)
Hi guys, currently I'm on GE plan. Is there any chance or how to insure my parent as well (Age 68).

Can also suggest other insurance plan which is available for my mom's age. Thanks
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While waiting for real valued responses from real insurance sifus, I google and found this, ....

https://www.prudential.com.my/en/products-h.../prusenior-med/

https://www.prudential.com.my/export/sites/...usenior-med.pdf

Just not sure if this plan is still available or had discontinued

i think this is just one of the example I found, should hv more in Google.


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post Jul 23 2023, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(90929155 @ Jul 22 2023, 11:24 PM)
Hi guys, currently I'm on GE plan. Is there any chance or how to insure my parent as well (Age 68).

Can also suggest other insurance plan which is available for my mom's age. Thanks
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Depending on her health as well and what kind of benefit are you expecting. She is still eligible to apply for the insurance but do expect premium to be steep due to her old age.
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post Jul 24 2023, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jul 20 2023, 09:35 AM)
Actually, you might be wrong.

I just looked at my annual statement for ILP.

2018:

U102 IL Premium Waiver Extra Rider
Amount of Benefit
RM2,400

2023:

U102 IL Premium Waiver Extra Rider
Amount of Benefit
RM2,640

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So that means the premium increase from RM200 to RM220 was reflected in the Premium Waiver Extra Rider's coverage.

What I believe is not covered is potential FUTURE increase in premiums due to rising cost of riders (as a result of repricing) or weaker than expected investment returns.

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However what confuses me is this:

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In any ILP product, there is 2 portions to it: Regular Premium and Regular Top-up.

Let's say your existing premiums consists of just Regular Premium.
The current additional amount to be paid goes under Regular Top-up.
Your Premium Waiver rider will cover only for whatever amount under Regular Premium.

This is the way to interpret the sentence you snapped.

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post Jul 24 2023, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(90929155 @ Jul 22 2023, 11:24 PM)
Hi guys, currently I'm on GE plan. Is there any chance or how to insure my parent as well (Age 68).

Can also suggest other insurance plan which is available for my mom's age. Thanks
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 23 2023, 08:11 AM)
While waiting for real valued responses from real insurance sifus,  I google and found this, ....

https://www.prudential.com.my/en/products-h.../prusenior-med/

https://www.prudential.com.my/export/sites/...usenior-med.pdf

Just not sure if this plan is still available or had discontinued

i think this is just one of the example I found, should hv more in Google.
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I can simplify abit... many companies do accept new applicants as long as at or below age 70. The problem is usually the health condition of the client need to be quite pristine and the price is also quite mind boggling.

If got Diabetes, any age also dont need to think. If generally healthy still ok.
dexmah
post Jul 26 2023, 01:29 AM

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Dear sifu,

Just want to ask your opinion on one issue. My mum had a lymph node swelling surgery in March 2021. Then I upgraded her insurance in April 2022 and got exclusion on her neck.

This was stated on the policy.

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In addition to the terms and conditions of the annexures for SmartMedic Million-150-D-(Annexure U191), SmartMedic Million Plus-150 (Annexure U197) and SmartMedic Million Extender(Annexure U196), no benefit will be payable for any disease or disorder of the thyroid glands including any complication or consequence arising from it.

So can we appeal to remove the exclusion?

Or after how many years then only appeal or can I buy with another company and declare it
MUM
post Jul 26 2023, 05:39 AM

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QUOTE(dexmah @ Jul 26 2023, 01:29 AM)
Dear sifu,

Just want to ask your opinion on one issue. My mum had a lymph node swelling surgery in  March 2021. Then I upgraded her insurance in April 2022 and got exclusion on her neck.

This was stated on the policy.

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In addition to the terms and conditions of the annexures for SmartMedic Million-150-D-(Annexure U191), SmartMedic Million Plus-150 (Annexure U197) and SmartMedic Million Extender(Annexure U196), no benefit will be payable for any disease or disorder of the thyroid glands including any complication or consequence arising from it.

So can we appeal to remove the exclusion?

Or after how many years then only appeal or can I buy with another company and declare it
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Wow, ...got exclusion on the whole upgraded plan.
Better don't upgrade, to hv continous same no exclusion coverage. If needed more coverage, buy new one that has that exclusion clause.
Just my bet and unqualified comment, due to her age and a long history of no relapse incident or related illnesses to support the waiver of that exclusion application, ...I think it will be difficult to hv that exclusion clause removed

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post Jul 26 2023, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(dexmah @ Jul 26 2023, 01:29 AM)
Dear sifu,

Just want to ask your opinion on one issue. My mum had a lymph node swelling surgery in  March 2021. Then I upgraded her insurance in April 2022 and got exclusion on her neck.

This was stated on the policy.

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In addition to the terms and conditions of the annexures for SmartMedic Million-150-D-(Annexure U191), SmartMedic Million Plus-150 (Annexure U197) and SmartMedic Million Extender(Annexure U196), no benefit will be payable for any disease or disorder of the thyroid glands including any complication or consequence arising from it.

So can we appeal to remove the exclusion?

Or after how many years then only appeal or can I buy with another company and declare it
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Will be hard to appeal but you can provide try to get doctors to certify her health condition and see if you can appeal.

You should just stay without the upgrade and just buy another plan new plan if you wish to upgrade on the coverage, do bear in mind this will still have exclusion but you still retain your old coverage.

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jul 26 2023, 10:03 AM
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post Jul 27 2023, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(dexmah @ Jul 26 2023, 01:29 AM)
Dear sifu,

Just want to ask your opinion on one issue. My mum had a lymph node swelling surgery in  March 2021. Then I upgraded her insurance in April 2022 and got exclusion on her neck.

This was stated on the policy.

1.
In addition to the terms and conditions of the annexures for SmartMedic Million-150-D-(Annexure U191), SmartMedic Million Plus-150 (Annexure U197) and SmartMedic Million Extender(Annexure U196), no benefit will be payable for any disease or disorder of the thyroid glands including any complication or consequence arising from it.

So can we appeal to remove the exclusion?

Or after how many years then only appeal or can I buy with another company and declare it
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I'm curious

How much was the limits for the previous medical coverage? The one that paid for the lymph node swelling surgery in March 2021.

What transpired and led to the upgrade in April 2022?
Was the previous medical coverage (rider or whatever) terminated?

I don't want to jump to conclusions, that's why I am asking these questions.
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post Jul 27 2023, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 26 2023, 05:39 AM)
Wow, ...got exclusion on the whole upgraded plan.
Better don't upgrade, to hv continous same no exclusion coverage. If needed more coverage, buy new one that has  that exclusion clause.
Just my bet and unqualified comment, due to her age and a long history of no relapse incident or related illnesses to support the waiver of that exclusion application, ...I think it will be difficult to hv that exclusion clause removed
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If we understood it correctly, I believe TS should go ahead and sue the agent, naming the insurer along in the case.

Objective is to undo the upgrade, and to restore the previous coverage as if the upgrade did not happen.

If that cannot be done, then perhaps for the agent to personally honor the terms and conditions of the contract on whatever was excluded.
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post Jul 27 2023, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(90929155 @ Jul 22 2023, 11:24 PM)
Hi guys, currently I'm on GE plan. Is there any chance or how to insure my parent as well (Age 68).

Can also suggest other insurance plan which is available for my mom's age. Thanks
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hi, age wise, yes still eligible. however, for health condition, go through the health questionnaire with insurance agent thoroughly during the application process.
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post Jul 28 2023, 10:54 AM

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HI all Sifus,

Unker got this today, it advise me to increase premiums by 80/month.

I read say can maintain but will effect sustainability, anyone know what exactly does that means?

Yes, this policy is investment linked.



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post Jul 28 2023, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(karazure @ Jul 28 2023, 10:54 AM)
HI all Sifus,

Unker got this today, it advise me to increase premiums by 80/month.

I read say can maintain but will effect sustainability, anyone know what exactly does that means?

Yes, this policy is investment linked.
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It means, eg if your insurance can cover you until say age of 80. Now it can only cover you until 75. How long is your sustainability, need to ask your agent or login to the website. On the website, they should write how long will the insurance sustain you.
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post Jul 28 2023, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(karazure @ Jul 28 2023, 10:54 AM)
HI all Sifus,

Unker got this today, it advise me to increase premiums by 80/month.

I read say can maintain but will effect sustainability, anyone know what exactly does that means?

Yes, this policy is investment linked.
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Short answer: Ikut je.

Long answer:
The nature of an ILP requires that the amount of premiums paid be able to generate sufficient return to cover for the COI in the long term.
So we just gta make sure that the premiums paid is filling up the coffers of your policy to do exactly that.
In a low interest environment, naturally more premiums is needed.
In a high interest environment, the opposite is generally the case.

Either way, we just got to make sure the policy is fed sufficiently, regardless of the environment.
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post Jul 28 2023, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(karazure @ Jul 28 2023, 10:54 AM)
HI all Sifus,

Unker got this today, it advise me to increase premiums by 80/month.

I read say can maintain but will effect sustainability, anyone know what exactly does that means?

Yes, this policy is investment linked.
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basically they are saying they changed certain assumptions in their model and now, your investment linked may not be enough to cover the expected price increase of medical treatment.

so put more premium to beef up the investment part.

you can do that, or you can invest that 80rm per month yourself. One day, if you are still alive, they will mentioned that your investment fund in the plan ran out of money, and you now need to pay the medical card fee.

(btw, this is why many people don't like ILP, and the same reason why some people love ILP).
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QUOTE(karazure @ Jul 28 2023, 10:54 AM)
HI all Sifus,

Unker got this today, it advise me to increase premiums by 80/month.

I read say can maintain but will effect sustainability, anyone know what exactly does that means?

Yes, this policy is investment linked.
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You're advise to follow the increment otherwise your policy may lapse earlier due to insufficient funds.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 28 2023, 03:09 PM)
You're advise to follow the increment otherwise your policy may lapse earlier due to insufficient funds.
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Does it auto lapse? I had the impression that one can just continue to pay the medical card fees when the funds run out.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jul 28 2023, 03:15 PM)
Does it auto lapse? I had the impression that one can just continue to pay the medical card fees when the funds run out.
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With insufficient funds to feed the COI, confirm will lapse.

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