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post Dec 29 2021, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(Perakpower @ Dec 27 2021, 01:00 PM)
Sure, first service after a few weeks / 1000 km is absolutely normal.
Actually this was true some years before. Nowadays with high quality synthetic motor oils and more efficient motors the usual interval should be 10000 km. Under special circumstances it can be shorter but if you drive 5000 km a year like I do by no means you need to change the oil every six months. It is a crazy waste to throw away this oil after lets say 3000 km or less.

OK, things are different if Protons own brand motor oil would be low quality. But as it is fully synthetic and from Petronas (and not cheap!) it is for sure good quality. Obviously the 6 months interval from Proton and others is just to make business for their service centers and some mandatory aftersales income for the HQ  cool2.gif
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Dec 27 2021, 01:47 PM)
With no offense, they know what their engine need.

You can broke the warranty use that VW engine old(if it suit) for your x50. You have confidence in that oil, and enjoy the long life spend. Simple.
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When CEVT confirmed x50 based engine is the same with volvo t5 recharge, paultan did asked why the service interval is different.

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We also asked Sandquist why the service interval for the XC40 Recharge T5 was longer than the X50, with the Volvo SUV requiring a service every 20,000 km compared to the X50’s 10,000 km. “Actually, that’s a good question. It would have to be based on oil qualities and what other things, but I don’t know the details of that,” replied Sandquist.

“We’ll have to ask the local market representatives. But it’s the same base engine, so the only thing I can actually think of is the oil quality difference. Of course, in a plug-in hybrid, you use your engine in different ways. Oil quality would be my guess,” he continued.


So i guess either the eo is totally different or proton just want more money.
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post Dec 29 2021, 02:48 PM

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Does eco mode give better mileage? If yes, in what scenario is it beneficial over the normal mode?

1) Low-speed, stop-start (e.g. during traffic jam or running short errands near the house)
2) Medium speed, smooth flowing driving (e.g. driving at around 60-80km/h)
3) High speed driving, smooth flowing (e.g. on highways at 120km/h)
4) High speed driving, unsmooth flowing with lots of acceleration and decelerations (e.g. on highways with some traffic, 120km/h slow down to 60km/h, back to 120km/h etc)
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post Dec 29 2021, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 29 2021, 02:48 PM)
Does eco mode give better mileage? If yes, in what scenario is it beneficial over the normal mode?

1) Low-speed, stop-start (e.g. during traffic jam or running short errands near the house)
2) Medium speed, smooth flowing driving (e.g. driving at around 60-80km/h)
3) High speed driving, smooth flowing (e.g. on highways at 120km/h)
4) High speed driving, unsmooth flowing with lots of acceleration and decelerations (e.g. on highways with some traffic, 120km/h slow down to 60km/h, back to 120km/h etc)
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I will say eco doesnt suit malaysia road condition unless you mean to drive like that.

Reply to your question
1. Stop and go eco mode doesnt help, feel like 1.0 car, compare to my previous almera. Unless you try to piss off all driver behind you.
2. Medium speed like follow truck/trailer i will use eco, so it wont accelerate too much when you press padel.
3. High speed no. In eco mode hard to maintain 110. It will keep drop down to 90+- speed, unless you press harder where void the fuel save.
4. Same as point 3.


So, tldr here. Most of time eco mode doesnt eco, i more likely call it comfort mode.
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post Dec 29 2021, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Dec 27 2021, 01:47 PM)
With no offense, they know what their engine need.

You can broke the warranty use that VW engine old(if it suit) for your x50. You have confidence in that oil, and enjoy the long life spend. Simple.
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"Their" engine was built without any contribution from them.

And it is not about confidence, it is about the unfair policy that you need to throw away perfect oil after 6 months so that they can make money. Otherwise you lose the warranty, that comes a little bit close to blackmail cool2.gif

Certainly I follow their rules during the 5 years warranty time and donate the money to them. But I have to admit that I did not realize that Proton has this mandatory 6 months interval when I ordered my X50. In other countries nobody would buy a car that you need to bring for service every 6 months instead of 12.

QUOTE(death_nite @ Dec 29 2021, 12:42 AM)
When CEVT confirmed x50 based engine is the same with volvo t5 recharge, paultan did asked why the service interval is different.
So i guess either the eo is totally different or proton just want more money.
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Thanks, I guess Mr Sandqvists answer does not leave any question open.

Or this RM 36.50 per liter super high end fully synthetic wonder oil from Proton / Petronas is worse than the cheapest mineral oil so it needed to be changed every few kilometers / months brows.gif


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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 29 2021, 02:48 PM)
Does eco mode give better mileage? If yes, in what scenario is it beneficial over the normal mode?

1) Low-speed, stop-start (e.g. during traffic jam or running short errands near the house)
2) Medium speed, smooth flowing driving (e.g. driving at around 60-80km/h)
3) High speed driving, smooth flowing (e.g. on highways at 120km/h)
4) High speed driving, unsmooth flowing with lots of acceleration and decelerations (e.g. on highways with some traffic, 120km/h slow down to 60km/h, back to 120km/h etc)
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i am addicted to eco mode.
sufficient power in the pickup and easy to move around in daily drive.
my car has not been on the highway before, except the short sungai besi expressway.

no longer driving on sport/normal mode.

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post Dec 30 2021, 07:22 PM

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Until today still stuck in the dilemma of Flagship vs Premium icon_question.gif

Premium has everything that I want - except for:
(1) Dual tone colour - understand that the black roof can be achieved with a roof wrap (really digging the White + black roof combo!)
(2) Blind spot camera - never used one before but seems useful - is it really the case?
(3) ADAS - not so much for autonomous cruise, but for the near-collision warning and auto-brake feature (or at least speed reduction before manual intervention kicks in)
(4) Direct Injection (versus MPI engine) - understand that it can give more Torque + acceleration, but does it come at a cost of shorter lifespan/higher maintenance?

Some considerations/worries for getting the Flagship:
1. More parts (sunroof, ADAS system etc.) - technically would equate to more maintenance required in the long run, but if my plan is to sell before 7 years - i shouldn't have anything to worry right?
2. Sunroof water leaking - SA told me some of his clients that constantly park under the sun faced this issue, though almost 100% of the time I park under basement, I guess not an issue too?
3. Longer waiting time - not that this matters, but SA says Flagship will be slower than Premium, not sure by how much

I am leaning towards Flagship at the moment, but appreciate if anyone has any opinion/comment on their (or friends') experience with Flagship so far, thanks! notworthy.gif
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post Dec 31 2021, 02:37 AM

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any idea how to turn off the auto rain sensor for wiper ? imagine sending it for car wash while the car is still running and the cleaner got surprised with the wiper suddenly turned on
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post Dec 31 2021, 06:08 AM

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QUOTE(veron208 @ Dec 31 2021, 02:37 AM)
any idea how to turn off the auto rain sensor for wiper ? imagine sending it for car wash while the car is still running and the cleaner got surprised with the wiper suddenly turned on
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1anXgUpaSAG...CPPa3fyWl4ke6WE

The Manual says Auto mode is when you push the wiper stalk upwards.


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post Dec 31 2021, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Dec 30 2021, 01:51 PM)
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X50 full specs can autopilot like this or not?
Cause I will buy if can
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QUOTE(janszmatt @ Dec 31 2021, 08:14 AM)
X50 full specs can autopilot like this or not?
Cause I will buy if can
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Mana ada kereta Proton yang self driving autonomous cars bang.
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post Dec 31 2021, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(janszmatt @ Dec 31 2021, 08:14 AM)
X50 full specs can autopilot like this or not?
Cause I will buy if can
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First, you know how much tesla model 3 cost vs x50?
Second, how many so called level 5 autonomous tesla model s or model 3 crash into something(pillar, divider, truck etc... You name it). And x50 only level 2.
Third, you need to tell us your expectations on x50 L2 autonomous . So we can explain pro and con of it.


Personally i quite impress what radar based L2 can do than my imagine. But still need to hand on steering wheel and keep making correction.
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post Dec 31 2021, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Perakpower @ Dec 29 2021, 07:46 PM)
"Their" engine was built without any contribution from them.

And it is not about confidence, it is about the unfair policy that you need to throw away perfect oil after 6 months so that they can make money. Otherwise you lose the warranty, that comes a little bit close to blackmail cool2.gif

Certainly I follow their rules during the 5 years warranty time and donate the money to them. But I have to admit that I did not realize that Proton has this mandatory 6 months interval when I ordered my X50. In other countries nobody would buy a car that you need to bring for service every 6 months instead of 12.
Thanks, I guess Mr Sandqvists answer does not leave any question open.

Or this RM 36.50 per liter super high end fully synthetic wonder oil from Proton / Petronas is worse than the cheapest mineral oil so it needed to be changed every few kilometers / months  brows.gif
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The Engine oil provided by Proton X50 is a Shell branded 0W-20 grade oil (which I believe it's a similar Shell-HX8 type of oil but sold at a lowered price than RRP). However we need to note that our Proton Service maintenance book did mention the use of 5W-30 grade oil but since the Volvo XC40 T5 also uses a OW-20 here in Malaysia I supposed it will work for our engine too (also noting that Volvo Malaysia uses the Castrol Edge Professional 0W-20 oil of 5.6L vs our X50 Shell 0W-20 of 5L when Volvo's service interval is longer.

It is also good to know that the Geely Coolray sold in Philippines also states to use the 0W-20 grade oil at 10k intervals which have a similar weather to ours.

I have completed my 10k service which the oil has only run 9200km (considering I change a fresh new oil at 1000km) and noted that the oil changes from Golden colour to brownish with a few sediments and a reduction of approx. 0.5L of the total 5L oil. Personally after witnessing this which I drove lightly especially during MCO period, I will not keep the engine oil beyond the 10,000km mark anytime in the future unless one drive very less than it may be debatable.
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post Dec 31 2021, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Dec 31 2021, 09:42 AM)
First, you know how much tesla model 3 cost vs x50?
Second, how many so called level 5 autonomous tesla model s or model 3 crash into something(pillar, divider, truck etc... You name it). And x50 only level 2.
Third, you need to tell us your expectations on x50 L2 autonomous . So we can explain pro and con of it.
Personally i quite impress what radar based L2 can do than my imagine. But still need to hand on steering wheel and keep making correction.
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What’s the longest distance you have put your x50 on it’s level 2?


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post Dec 31 2021, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(janszmatt @ Dec 31 2021, 11:13 AM)
What’s the longest distance you have put your x50 on it’s level 2?
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Due to covid, i receive car only months.
And yet using on highway, only using L2 when cruising interstate.
10-15min on a section where doesnt have a lot junction and road mark clear.
Everyday passing there, but not everyday using L2 on that section.

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post Dec 31 2021, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(psyduck989 @ Dec 31 2021, 10:18 AM)
The Engine oil provided by Proton X50 is a Shell branded 0W-20 grade oil (which I believe it's a similar Shell-HX8 type of oil but sold at a lowered price than RRP). However we need to note that our Proton Service maintenance book did mention the use of 5W-30 grade oil but since the Volvo XC40 T5 also uses a OW-20 here in Malaysia I supposed it will work for our engine too (also noting that Volvo Malaysia uses the Castrol Edge Professional 0W-20 oil of 5.6L vs our X50 Shell 0W-20 of 5L when Volvo's service interval is longer.

It is also good to know that the Geely Coolray sold in Philippines also states to use the 0W-20 grade oil at 10k intervals which have a similar weather to ours.

I have completed my 10k service which the oil has only run 9200km (considering I change a fresh new oil at 1000km) and noted that the oil changes from Golden colour to brownish with a few sediments and a reduction of approx. 0.5L of the total 5L oil. Personally after witnessing this which I drove lightly especially during MCO period, I will not keep the engine oil beyond the 10,000km mark anytime in the future unless one drive very less than it may be debatable.
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Some owners in fb has updated Proton has changed the x50 engine oil from Shell 0w20 to now Petronas 5w30. Let's see in my next 20k service come Feb 2022.


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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Dec 31 2021, 11:25 AM)
Due to covid, i receive car only months.
And yet using on highway, only using L2 when cruising interstate.
10-15min on a section where doesnt have a lot junction and road mark clear.
Everyday passing there, but not everyday using L2 on that section.
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As for me, i m surely impressed with the x50 L2 although i was sceptical initially. After using it for a while, m now pretty confident with it albeit only highway cruising.
The longest stretch was around 150km from Pg to Kl and vice versa.
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QUOTE(Raybk @ Dec 31 2021, 05:54 PM)
Some owners in fb has updated Proton has changed the x50 engine oil from Shell 0w20 to now Petronas 5w30. Let's see in my next 20k service come Feb 2022.
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Hmm, yes I did check it out that Proton did announce brand new Proton Genuine Oil back in Q4 2021 of 5W-30 grade in 5L bottle (which basically is for the 1.5T engine only).

I kinda enjoy using using the current Shell 0W-20 oil which I managed to achieve steady fuel consumption around 6.6-6.8L/100km including long distance drive (once best I was able to get 6.5L/100km). Like you my next service will be 20000km too but I can't say I am excited to use the new heavier grade oil which sold for the exact same price as the thinner oil which is usually more expensive. (but if the Shell 0W-20 is indeed the rebranded HX8 with specification of GF5, this new Petronas with a GF6A should be of a higher quality).

Well lets test it out for our new car and the judge but likely I will go back to the 0-20W after the warranty is over.
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QUOTE(psyduck989 @ Jan 1 2022, 07:10 AM)
Hmm, yes I did check it out that Proton did announce brand new Proton Genuine Oil back in Q4 2021 of 5W-30 grade in 5L bottle (which basically is for the 1.5T engine only).

I kinda enjoy using using the current Shell 0W-20 oil which I managed to achieve steady fuel consumption around 6.6-6.8L/100km including long distance drive (once best I was able to get 6.5L/100km). Like you my next service will be 20000km too but I can't say I am excited to use the new heavier grade oil which sold for the exact same price as the thinner oil which is usually more expensive. (but if the Shell 0W-20 is indeed the rebranded HX8 with specification of GF5, this new Petronas with a GF6A should be of a higher quality).

Well lets test it out for our new car and the judge but likely I will go back to the 0-20W after the warranty is over.
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All Honda cars nowadays required 0w20 eo. I find that good for fc at highway
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Yo guys, I just got my x50 flagship on Christmas Eve. Went up to penang for the new year week. Filled up full tank at Georgetown and after 5 days of city drive, tank was blinking. Is this normal? At about 20l/100km, it’s a lil bit too high no? I’m getting 250km max on a full tank of city drive (on eco mode) ????!!


Anybody else experiencing this? It’s crazy high yo.. I think can challenge F1 FC at this rate zzz

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post Jan 1 2022, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(jinnodo @ Jan 1 2022, 10:57 PM)
Yo guys, I just got my x50 flagship on Christmas Eve. Went up to penang for the new year week. Filled up full tank at Georgetown and after 5 days of city drive, tank was blinking. Is this normal? At about 20l/100km, it’s a lil bit too high no? I’m getting 250km max on a full tank of city drive (on eco mode) ????!!
Anybody else experiencing this? It’s crazy high yo.. I think can challenge F1 FC at this rate zzz

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