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Xiaomi POCO F2 Pro, The New Flagship killer?

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Khuan0813
post May 22 2020, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 22 2020, 08:14 AM)
Its a group of devs deserve the credit here for bringing in the customised EU Rom. Not xiaomi for sticking the ads and bloatful apps in the phone lol.
Globat set?
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That means the EU ROM is not a official ROM from Xiaomi?
The user needs to flash the ROM himself into the phone?
Thus no official warranty for the phone after flash it?

It was a Malaysia set with global version written on the box.
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post May 22 2020, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ May 22 2020, 12:36 AM)
It's their strategy to get rid off the SoCs/inventory quickly... By creating many sub-brands & models, buyers are fooled to believe there are "many" choices in the market.

Plus, by pushing the new so-called "model", they can put the SRP higher than the previous model launched 3 months ago, despite of identical internal components.

Hence, the breakdown of 100% inventory is :
25% inventory goes to Mi branding...
10% inventory goes to Blackshark branding...
40% inventory goes to Redmi branding...
25% inventory goes to Poco branding...

Therefore,
If Redmi series (launched 3 months ago) have outstanding inventory, just transfer the inventory to Poco account and sell at new or higher price.
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I think they've moved the Mi branding to premium, leaving the Redmi and Poco branding for the entry level and midrange market. The Blackshark is a niche by itself. The other thing about having so many models is that they end up cannibalising each other, so maybe in places where there is the Poco, the Redmi K series won't be present.

QUOTE(Khuan0813 @ May 22 2020, 05:37 AM)
Maybe that's why my previous Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 battery was draining quite fast.
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How old is your RN7? Mine is about a year old and the battery is still very good. Standby drain at night is only 3-4%.

QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 22 2020, 08:14 AM)
Its a group of devs deserve the credit here for bringing in the customised EU Rom. Not xiaomi for sticking the ads and bloatful apps in the phone lol.
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Yeah, that's why Xiaomi can't convince me to spend top dollar on their phones yet. I'm not a fan of the bloatware and ads laugh.gif

This post has been edited by attw: May 22 2020, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(attw @ May 21 2020, 04:29 PM)
Wow! Still considered made it to your 10 SoT club rclxms.gif

So morale of the story, need to flash EU ROM for it to have better consumption?
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Does these make it into the 10 sot club? sad.gif

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post May 22 2020, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(Khuan0813 @ May 22 2020, 08:35 AM)
That means the EU ROM is not a official ROM from Xiaomi?
The user needs to flash the ROM himself into the phone?
Thus no official warranty for the phone after flash it?

It was a Malaysia set with global version written on the box.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, EU ROM is based on China stable weekly build ROM. You need to unlock bootloader and flash the ROM from TWRP to get it running. It's a customised ROM built by a group of European devs.

Unlike other custom ROMs, it seems that xiaomi and their European distributors have a special policy on this one particular EU ROM when it comes to warranty.

Since warranty is the least bit of worry on my end, you might want to find it out yourself. I don't think warranty policies in Europe and Malaysia are the same when it comes to Xiaomi EU. Perhaps others can shed some light on this?

The real official stock ROMs from xiaomi for European users are either Global ROM or EEA ROM.
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post May 22 2020, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(Khuan0813 @ May 22 2020, 05:35 AM)
Brother, that means our Malaysia set ROM (is it global ROM?) is totally different from EU ROM?

Can you explain more further in details and the different between our Malaysia set ROM and EU ROM?

Are the Mi browser, Mi player and all Mi related apps not pre-installed in EU ROM?
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(1) Malaysia Set is not having the EU ROM. Malaysia set comes with Global ROM.

(2) The difference as follows :
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(3) EU ROM still keeping the following system apps:
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As the system apps are still present, I myself take my own initiative to further reduce some "background activities" by tweaking settings below:
(a) Enable Smart Scenes options.
(b) Disable access to Device ID.
© Disable Unrestricted Data for all System Apps.
(d) Disable Usage Access to all System Apps.
(e) Disable Authorization & Revocation for all System Apps.

All in all, the EU ROM has some effects to the background activities but not enough to prevent other nuisance. Therefore, user still need to tweak around further to minimize other background activities.

QUOTE(Khuan0813 @ May 22 2020, 08:35 AM)
That means the EU ROM is not a official ROM from Xiaomi?
The user needs to flash the ROM himself into the phone?
Thus no official warranty for the phone after flash it?

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(1) EU (Europe) ROM is NOT official from Xiaomi; just like other custom ROMs in XDA community.

(2) Yes, the user needs to unlock the Bootloader (the official & legal method via Mi website) in order to be able to flash EU ROM.

(3) As highlighted below :
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All in all, MIUI is well known for its rouge background activities since MIUI version 1. If the user can bare the "nuisance", no harm to proceed with the stock MIUI. It's how Xiaomi makes money and sustain the SRP to be "affordable" and reaching the "Flagship Killer" title.

Xiaomi awares users can flash stock ROM to other custom ROMs and loses the cash from the "background activities" in stock MIUI. There was a time they block the unlock Bootloader to prevent user flash custom ROMs. But backlash from their fans reverse that decision.

As for me, for the past 5 Xiaomi devices, I only flash EU ROM immediately once the ROM is released. No turning back and won't try other custom ROMs. You can nominate me as the No. 1 Fan for EU ROM...LOL...

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post May 22 2020, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(attw @ May 22 2020, 09:06 AM)
I think they've moved the Mi branding to premium, leaving the Redmi and Poco branding for the entry level and midrange market. The Blackshark is a niche by itself. The other thing about having so many models is that they end up cannibalising each other, so maybe in places where there is the Poco, the Redmi K series won't be present.
How old is your RN7? Mine is about a year old and the battery is still very good. Standby drain at night is only 3-4%.
Yeah, that's why Xiaomi can't convince me to spend too dollar on their phones yet. I'm not a fan of the bloatware and ads laugh.gif
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Almost 8 months already. Standby drain at night is the same with you.

QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 22 2020, 09:20 AM)
Correct me if I'm wrong, EU ROM is based on China stable weekly build ROM. You need to unlock bootloader and flash the ROM from TWRP to get it running. It's a customised ROM built by a group of European devs.

Unlike other custom ROMs, it seems that xiaomi and their European distributors have a special policy on this one particular EU ROM when it comes to warranty.

Since warranty is the least bit of worry on my end, you might want to find it out yourself. I don't think warranty policies in Europe and Malaysia are the same when it comes to Xiaomi EU. Perhaps others can shed some light on this?

The real official stock ROMs from xiaomi for European users are either Global ROM or EEA ROM.
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I see. Thanks for the explanation. 😊
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post May 22 2020, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ May 22 2020, 09:45 AM)
(1) Malaysia Set is not having the EU ROM. Malaysia set comes with Global ROM.

(2) The difference as follows :
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


(3) EU ROM still keeping the following system apps:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


As the system apps are still present, I myself take my own initiative to further reduce some "background activities" by tweaking settings below:
(a) Enable Smart Scenes options.
(b) Disable access to Device ID.
© Disable Unrestricted Data for all System Apps.
(d) Disable Usage Access to all System Apps.
(e) Disable Authorization & Revocation for all System Apps.

All in all, the EU ROM has some effects to the background activities but not enough to prevent other nuisance. Therefore, user still need to tweak around further to minimize other background activities.
(1) EU (Europe) ROM is NOT official from Xiaomi; just like other custom ROMs in XDA community.

(2) Yes, the user needs to unlock the Bootloader (the official & legal method via Mi website) in order to be able to flash EU ROM.

(3) As highlighted below :
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


All in all, MIUI is well known for its rouge background activities since MIUI version 1. If the user can bare the "nuisance", no harm to proceed with the stock MIUI. It's how Xiaomi makes money and sustain the SRP to be "affordable" and reaching the "Flagship Killer" title.

Xiaomi awares users can flash stock ROM to other custom ROMs and loses the cash from the "background activities" in stock MIUI. There was a time they block the unlock Bootloader to prevent user flash custom ROMs. But backlash from their fans reverse that decision.

As for me, for the past 5 Xiaomi devices, I only flash EU ROM immediately once the ROM is released. No turning back and won't try other custom ROMs. You can nominate me as the No. 1 Fan for EU ROM...LOL...
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Thanks for your professional explanation. 😊

Do you use any trading apps in your Xiaomi device?
I have one. But after using for 2 week, the app will automatically sign off itself after I use it for 30 minutes, it shows session expired on the display there.

Do you have any idea how to solve this problem?


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post May 22 2020, 10:00 AM

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Starting from MIUI 10, Poco's EU ROM is based on stable Chinese ROM. This is due to instability of weekly Chinese ROM tends to brick the device and common bootloop issue.

In terms of local Malaysia warranty, just flash back to global ROM before sending to the Service Center. No need to lock back the Bootloader. This is based on my experience for one of Xiaomi device having screen burning earlier.
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post May 22 2020, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Khuan0813 @ May 22 2020, 09:57 AM)
Thanks for your professional explanation. 😊

Do you use any trading apps in your Xiaomi device?
I have one. But after using for 2 week, the app will automatically sign off itself after I use it for 30 minutes, it shows session expired on the display there.

Do you have any idea how to solve this problem?
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No trading apps in my F1 EU ROM.

You may try the following :
(1) Search for "System Apps" menu to disable their access to cellular Data.

(2) Disable Device ID access:
Attached Image

(3) Enable Smart Scenes:
Attached Image

(4) Disable all Authorization & Revocation :
Attached Image

All the above tweaking are to reserve the resources to your Trading Apps. Rather than the System Apps taking all the resources, tweaking above will free up some resources for your Trading app to continue running happily.

On top of that, do the followings:
(1) Set "No restrictions" to the Trading App
Attached Image

(2) Lock the Trading App so that it can constantly running in the Background
Attached Image

(3) Enable "Auto Start" to the Trading App
Attached Image

(4) Turn on "Unrestricted Data" to the Trading App
Attached Image

This post has been edited by azhar75: May 22 2020, 10:27 AM
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post May 22 2020, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(attw @ May 22 2020, 09:06 AM)
Yeah, that's why Xiaomi can't convince me to spend too dollar on their phones yet. I'm not a fan of the bloatware and ads laugh.gif
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Bloatware is one thing, but ads... But since they need it to compensate their lower priced product and they also offer eu version, I can turn a blind eye on that. Haha.
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post May 22 2020, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(attw @ May 22 2020, 09:06 AM)
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Yeah, that's why Xiaomi can't convince me to spend top dollar on their phones yet. I'm not a fan of the bloatware and ads laugh.gif
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Me too. Not in a gazillion years I'm gonna cash out to their latest top of the line product series...

Why spend >RM3000 when we can get better deals from Sammy's or Mr. Timmy's last year flagship series...

I won't spend more than RM1500 for Xiaomi products. The latest one I bought was Xiaomi Enchen Boost for <RM50... LOL...
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QUOTE(freakenstein @ May 22 2020, 09:20 AM)
Does these make it into the 10 sot club? sad.gif

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You need to ask the club founder smile.gif

QUOTE(azhar75 @ May 22 2020, 09:45 AM)
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Thanks for the detailed explanation bro. Seems like still a fair bit of system apps that aren't removed with the EU ROM. Looks like the Mi A× series is the only way to experience Mi devices without the heavy handed apps and ads.

QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 22 2020, 10:25 AM)
Bloatware is one thing, but ads... But since they need it to compensate their lower priced product and they also offer eu version, I can turn a blind eye on that. Haha.
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Exactly bro. Since they want to play at the premium field with their latest Mi 10 with the likes of Samsung and OnePlus, they have to give that kinda ad free experience too.

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QUOTE(attw @ May 22 2020, 09:06 AM)
I think they've moved the Mi branding to premium, leaving the Redmi and Poco branding for the entry level and midrange market. The Blackshark is a niche by itself. The other thing about having so many models is that they end up cannibalising each other, so maybe in places where there is the Poco, the Redmi K series won't be present.
How old is your RN7? Mine is about a year old and the battery is still very good. Standby drain at night is only 3-4%.
Yeah, that's why Xiaomi can't convince me to spend top dollar on their phones yet. I'm not a fan of the bloatware and ads laugh.gif
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Mostly marketing strategy, creating illusion that consumer have lots of choice, as most consumer are not tech enthusiast like us lurking in forum tongue.gif
Market are huge, thus creating more model just to fill up 'illusion of choices' should work. ie if 3 out of 5 choices are under your company albeit different name/model, you still wins as 60% chances biggrin.gif

You walked in to store and presented with 5 choices within your budget and requirement, different model and brand, consumer will have the illusion that whatever they choose in the end ( or recommended by sales ) are best among five laugh.gif
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QUOTE(azhar75 @ May 22 2020, 10:07 AM)
No trading apps in my F1 EU ROM.

You may try the following :
(1) Search for "System Apps" menu to disable their access to cellular Data.

(2) Disable Device ID access:
Attached Image

(3) Enable Smart Scenes:
Attached Image

(4) Disable all Authorization & Revocation :
Attached Image

All the above tweaking are to reserve the resources to your Trading Apps. Rather than the System Apps taking all the resources, tweaking above will free up some resources for your Trading app to continue running happily.

On top of that, do the followings:
(1) Set "No restrictions" to the Trading App
Attached Image

(2) Lock the Trading App so that it can constantly running in the Background
Attached Image

(3) Enable "Auto Start" to the Trading App
Attached Image

(4) Turn on "Unrestricted Data" to the Trading App
Attached Image
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Thank you so much. 😁
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post May 22 2020, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(freakenstein @ May 22 2020, 09:20 AM)
Does these make it into the 10 sot club? sad.gif

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Not dual-SIM active, auto-disqualify... LOL...

But,...

Usage is almost 2 days, very good...

By "discounting" the Facebook (1 hour 13 minutes) and Instagram (46 minutes) apps, we can "allow" the 10 SoT Club enrollment... LOL...

Just ensure not to leave the battery level below 15%. Else, the cells will dry faster and shorter lifespan...

This post has been edited by azhar75: May 22 2020, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(Someonesim @ May 22 2020, 10:41 AM)
Mostly marketing strategy, creating illusion that consumer have lots of choice, as most consumer are not tech enthusiast like us lurking in forum  tongue.gif
Market are huge, thus creating more model just to fill up 'illusion of choices' should work. ie if 3 out of 5 choices are under your company albeit different name/model, you still wins as 60% chances  biggrin.gif

You walked in to store and presented with 5 choices within your budget and requirement, different model and brand, consumer will have the illusion that whatever they choose in the end ( or recommended by sales ) are best among five  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(attw @ May 22 2020, 10:35 AM)
Exactly bro. Since they want to play at the premium field with their latest Mi 10 with the likes of Samsung and OnePlus, they have to give that kinda ad free experience too.
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QUOTE(azhar75 @ May 22 2020, 10:44 AM)
Not dual-SIM active, auto-disqualify... LOL...

But,...

Usage is almost 2 days, very good...

By "discounting" the Facebook (1 hour 13 minutes) and Instagram (46 minutes) apps, we can "allow" the 10 SoT Club enrollment... LOL...

Just ensure not to leave the battery level below 15%. Else, the cells will dry faster and shorter lifespan...
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Hahaha, yeah, I do it only once with the phone to see if it can achieve after that I charge every night, even if got more than 50% balance smile.gif
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QUOTE(azhar75 @ May 22 2020, 10:44 AM)
Not dual-SIM active, auto-disqualify... LOL...

But,...

Usage is almost 2 days, very good...

By "discounting" the Facebook (1 hour 13 minutes) and Instagram (46 minutes) apps, we can "allow" the 10 SoT Club enrollment... LOL...

Just ensure not to leave the battery level below 15%. Else, the cells will dry faster and shorter lifespan...
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Yes! Hahaha , was just fooling around with ya.

Those were from my ROG phone 2 on 120hz mode too!.

Anyway I'm looking forward to the new owners of Poco F2 , wanna see some first impressions , especially battery as F1's battery life was quite insane.
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QUOTE(freakenstein @ May 22 2020, 07:38 PM)
Yes! Hahaha , was just fooling around with ya.

Those were from my ROG phone 2 on 120hz mode too!.

Anyway I'm looking forward to the new owners of Poco F2 , wanna see some first impressions , especially battery as F1's battery life was quite insane.
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Whoaaa... ROG Phone 2 got 6000mAh battery bro... I think beyond 10 hours SOT also no problem. Is there an option for 90hz instead of 120hz refresh rate?

Ahhh, but yes, that is a question for another thread. I'm looking forward to the F2 Pro local launch too, but whether I get one or not depends on the local pricing they set smile.gif

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