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Xiaomi POCO F2 Pro, The New Flagship killer?

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post May 14 2020, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 14 2020, 09:03 AM)
Haters gonna hate. Must be nice seeing a lot of other people living in an era of "ancient" technology.
The only difference I could find is that, in terms of hardware, redmi k30 pro doesn't support B20 LTE (which isn't supported in Malaysia anyway). I'm guessing rhe liquid cooling thingy is the same but sorry I have no supporting evidence for this.
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Dont think 60Hz to 120Hz display refresh rate are technology breakthrough biggrin.gif
I havent own smartphone with over 60Hz display refresh rate yet, so cant be 100% sure, but I think the 'smoothness of user experience' largely affected by OS/software optimization.
When I use OG Pixel XL few years back, I'm amazed at that iOS level smoothness, but when 'upgraded' to newer phone like poco F1 and xiaomi mi9T, that extreme smoothness gone missing. Poco F1 does felt fast but not smooth.

IMO what's require are higher than 60hz, let's say 90Hz. So when framerate dropped ( which happened on games required heavy resources ), it dropped from 90fps to 72fps etc, which still felt smooth.
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post May 14 2020, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Omochao @ May 14 2020, 10:50 AM)
realme 6 pro at 1.4k can even provide stereo speakers and 90hz, i wonder what the heck is Poco doing with this, not even stereo speakers.
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big brother Xiaomi are watching, so they cant all-in and grab away sales biggrin.gif

IMO poco went too far on F1, giving too much value. It's like iphoneSE2, flagship SOC but mid-range other ( display, camera ).
F2 now up their game on display ( AMOLED ) which contribute to increase on cost also.
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post May 14 2020, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Omochao @ May 14 2020, 11:00 AM)
but isn't it a bit mind boggling that the Poco X2 can do up to 120hz with its lcd panel, where else the OLDE panel on Poco F2 Pro only can do 60hz.

What are they trying to pull here? by right the Poco F2 Pro is suppose to have all the features of PocoX2.
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I think it's just cost, LCD are easier to get high refresh rate. See laptop with LCD and AMOLED option.
but possibly like other speculated, they cant over-come big brother xiaomi tongue.gif
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post May 14 2020, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(Omochao @ May 14 2020, 11:14 AM)
I won't say for now of not getting this, but I will wait and see what they are hiding up in their sleeves. Maybe next one is Poco F2 Pro PREMIUM,Extreme?
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that'll be fxxked up biggrin.gif OP got McLaren version, maybe poco come out Type R version cool2.gif

QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 14 2020, 11:17 AM)
Noooooo... Don't drop too fast cause I just bought my k30 pro zoom at rm2450 lololol
What to do, kuli kuli must sapot big bro and get all the credits 🤣
Software optimisation plays a major role in smoothness. I really hope miui 12 that they are going to release next month get better than all of their predecessors.
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I think wont become reality, but I would really want a near-stock version.
Something like Asus did last year with Zenphone 6. They went from one of the worst optimized Android manufacturer to smooth and well praised.
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post May 14 2020, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ May 14 2020, 12:12 PM)
so many things to buy...

ps5
mi pad 5
poco f2 pro

if Im need to drop 1, most likely this Poco 🙄

anyway does anyone know what is the resell value for Poco f1?
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PS5 end of the year ma, if no delay.
Why Android tablet ? I think Android and it's app are not suitable ( or optimized ) for tablet.
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post May 14 2020, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(prolexus @ May 14 2020, 05:07 PM)
https://youtu.be/amIKQdklS2g
Difference between 60Hz and 910Hz refresh rate. It's like between heaven and earth la
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Slow-mo video are not really good way to prove.


Not saying 90Hz or 120Hz are useless, but most people exaggerated it's effectiveness in real life, can be just placebo effect.

I'm using 100Hz PC monitor, do I felt different when browsing, watch youtube ? absolutely no. Only when games capable of 80-100fps can I felt it.
How does a game which my PC can only run around 40fps on my 100Hz monitor ? felt sluggish.

90Hz or 120Hz display, need to pair with OS or software capable of utilize it. I'm not yet confident that xiaomi and thus poco already perfect MIUI to 90fps or 120fps ( waiting MIUI 12 please laugh.gif ) so really it's just certain games that support 90-120Hz can you enjoy it.

90Hz and 90fps are not the same biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 15 2020, 01:29 PM)
It would be better if they take out the 5G Modem and replace it with MicroSD reader or bigger battery, 5G is not necessary or needed now
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Cant. SD865 only pair with 1 modem, which integrated 5G and LTE together. So SD865 mandatory comes with 5G.
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post May 15 2020, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ May 15 2020, 04:15 PM)
I edy black-listed Snap865... Stop buying non-essentials item...LOL... looking towards Snap768G... if they price it right, will only then consider... I edy tested Snap855/855+... need to feel the brand new 768G pulak...
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Hopefully price it right.
On paper 768G should be powerful enough, using similar Cortex A76 + A55 as SD855
I'm using mi9T SD730 so I'm perfectly happy with it's performance.
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post May 19 2020, 09:02 PM

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For similar price, most sensible people will choose OnePlus 8, for much better OS optimization and support.
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post May 21 2020, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ May 21 2020, 10:55 AM)
tat is yesteryears stories,
previously Android user cheapskate always sideload app

nowadays dev smart, they build IAP...
can earn more than sell the whole app
more sustainable, can sell monthly add-on feature

and if gv free also can earn from ads
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yeah IAP is future.

Some developer even did the unethical move to adopt IAP.
One example is Cerberus security apps ( powerful ) which we paid for lifetime licence. End of last year, developer turned greedy and make the 'lifetime' license expired, and asked us to subscribe ranting.gif

QUOTE(attw @ May 21 2020, 11:21 AM)
Yeah, plus being indoors and using WiFi instead of LTE helps as well. I typically only use about 4-5 hours SOT in a day (anything more might constitute as antisocial behaviour, hahaha) but usage has increased a lot during the MCO. For me the acid test for phone battery is for it to be able to do 2 days (48 hours) standby and total of 10 hours SOT in that span. We call it the 10-hour SOT club, as founded by azhar75 smile.gif For me so far, I've tested 5 phones that made it into that club: Asus ZenFone Max Pro M1, Realme 5, Samsung S10 Lite, iPhone 11 Pro Max and Realme 6 smile.gif
Sigh... Guilty as charged laugh.gif
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Hmmm, so poco f1 not capable of joining 10 hours SOT club ? I can get 7 hours SOT on it, normal usage ( browsing website etc ) which are best so far in my smartphone life.
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post May 22 2020, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(attw @ May 22 2020, 09:06 AM)
I think they've moved the Mi branding to premium, leaving the Redmi and Poco branding for the entry level and midrange market. The Blackshark is a niche by itself. The other thing about having so many models is that they end up cannibalising each other, so maybe in places where there is the Poco, the Redmi K series won't be present.
How old is your RN7? Mine is about a year old and the battery is still very good. Standby drain at night is only 3-4%.
Yeah, that's why Xiaomi can't convince me to spend top dollar on their phones yet. I'm not a fan of the bloatware and ads laugh.gif
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Mostly marketing strategy, creating illusion that consumer have lots of choice, as most consumer are not tech enthusiast like us lurking in forum tongue.gif
Market are huge, thus creating more model just to fill up 'illusion of choices' should work. ie if 3 out of 5 choices are under your company albeit different name/model, you still wins as 60% chances biggrin.gif

You walked in to store and presented with 5 choices within your budget and requirement, different model and brand, consumer will have the illusion that whatever they choose in the end ( or recommended by sales ) are best among five laugh.gif
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post May 22 2020, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(attw @ May 22 2020, 09:20 PM)
Whoaaa... ROG Phone 2 got 6000mAh battery bro... I think beyond 10 hours SOT also no problem. Is there an option for 90hz instead of 120hz refresh rate?

Ahhh, but yes, that is a question for another thread. I'm looking forward to the F2 Pro local launch too, but whether I get one or not depends on the local pricing they set smile.gif
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about what price, you will consider buying F2 pro ? hmm.gif
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post May 22 2020, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(attw @ May 22 2020, 10:10 PM)
RM1,999 is a must buy. Anything above that will need consideration smile.gif

How about you, bro? Planning to get one?
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Below rm2k I think near impossible sad.gif EUR499

TBH I have almost no reason to change phone now, current phone Mi9T fits all my requirement and so far no complaint at all.
Just one reason I'll consider is my phone almost 1 year old. I usually change/sold phone before warranty end ( usually 1 year ), for better price. Calculated behavior laugh.gif
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post May 23 2020, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(attw @ May 23 2020, 08:12 AM)
Well our phones here are typically cheaper than EU pricing so there is some hope, even if it's just a fool's hope, hahaha.. I'm expecting 2,299 or 2,399, then we'll have to wait and see if there's any pre-order discounts or offers.

Yeah, selling off your device while still under warranty is far easier and less hassle smile.gif
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Yeah, see what offer they have for pre-order.
If this launch much nearer to year end, then cantik lo, shopee/lazada sales with discount voucher etc biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 23 2020, 09:12 PM)
Im convinced by year end f2p is already out of sight and something else is within the reach of your eyes 😜
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QUOTE(attw @ May 23 2020, 09:41 PM)
Hahaha, yeah, Xiaomi and Realme are in a little contest between themselves to see who can release more phones into the market in the shortest amount of time possible biggrin.gif
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end of the year, my aim will be OnePlus's launch, they should still remain the half year release cycle. Either aim whatever next gen OP, or wait OP8 or OP7T Pro to dropped to comfortable price range biggrin.gif
Wonder if xiaomi will also have Mi10T ( successor to my current mi9T ) hmm.gif

Also, yeah if F2 Pro price dropped below rm2k by then, should be good buy.
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QUOTE(Khuan0813 @ May 24 2020, 03:12 AM)
Xiaomi is slowly following One+ ?

Can you explain further?
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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 24 2020, 04:25 AM)
Yeah, it's a sickening trend to most consumer. I just hope realme won't step into premium price zone but I cant see that won't happen.
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Inevitable, as manufacturers keep improved on design/quality etc, xiaomi even without stupid-Qualcomm-forced-5G, already near flagship phone price last year.
Same as OnePlus, build quality, features and camera etc keep getting better.
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Trump is just a joker. Up front talked about American here and there, seeing China as threat, engaged trade war. Mainly due to China product are too cheap, so he put tariff on it, earn big bucks, right ?
Many didnt know, the increase in price of those low cost product/materials impacted US industry itself. China aluminium too cheap ? Put tariff on it ! Small company in US like boat building who rely on aluminium, have to force-buy higher cost US aluminium, or eat the tariff imposed China aluminium.
Almost all IT or related industry company from US dont support Trump whole heartedly, they know it will come back and hurt them if trade war escalated. One of the reason whole world go and setup factory at China is due to cost and materials.
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QUOTE(Khuan0813 @ May 25 2020, 10:29 AM)
According to the economist, the answer is not really.
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QUOTE(XXXOOOXXXOOO @ May 25 2020, 02:49 PM)
issit ? why those manufacturer not in US ?
owner pocket is very honest ....
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I think many manufactured in China, because main targeted buyer are around Asia, China and India as biggest consumer market in Asia.
Also China's lack of full regulatory, worse working environment, worse benefit etc. Imagine setup in western countries, worker union will fxxK up company profit, demanding benefit this and that.
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QUOTE(XXXOOOXXXOOO @ May 25 2020, 03:01 PM)
working culture too, China labor is no longer cheap now but they still very hard working and as long as manufacturer willing to pay, they will work.
second supply chain, impossible ship all part, material to US to make chips than send it back here to test, manufacturer than return ....
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Ya, IINM materials processing also. Many rare earth material processing are 'dirty' and not environment friendly, western countries 'dont' want to do at their place.
Like how Australia dig out materials, and ship to Msia to process it cough*Lynas*cough biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(attw @ May 25 2020, 11:19 PM)
Perhaps this could be the Poco F2 non-Pro and cost below RM1500?

https://www.gsmarena.com/redmi_k30i_5g_goes...-news-43400.php
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Does seems slightly nearer to poco F1, aka LCD screen. One of the reason F1 are low cost is LCD.

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