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Xiaomi POCO F2 Pro, The New Flagship killer?

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Khuan0813
post May 17 2020, 04:29 AM

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QUOTE(Punish @ May 15 2020, 06:38 PM)
Okay what if we get the k30pro zoom edition instead of pocof2p.....will the band work fine here in malaysia...?
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According to the information in GSMArena (I could not find the information on Xiaomi Malaysia official website), Redmi K30 Pro Zoom edition support 4G FDD-LTE band 1/3/5/7/8 and 4G TDD-LTE 38/39/40/41.

The phone works fine on MAXIS, CELCOM, Digi, U Mobile and even TM Unifi, but unfortunately not on YES 4G because it has not supported 4G band 20.

If you are not a user of YES 4G, then it's okay for you to get the Redmi K30 Pro Zoom edition.

QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 15 2020, 08:39 PM)
I don't have the phone myself but I think it shouldn't be a problem unless our telcos here decide to overwrite previous LTE band with B20. As far as I know we don't use B20 here in Malaysia.

https://www.frequencycheck.com/compatibilit...mi-imi/malaysia

https://www.frequencycheck.com/compatibilit...imipro/malaysia

The video here explains everything if anyone has doubt to choose between k30p and f2p

https://youtu.be/wTITyqekmpk

As for ads that come with the stock China ROM, flashing xiaomi.eu ROM will get rid of those, but that will void the warranty I think? But that's not really a problem to me since there hasn't been a single phone yet that I didn't root or jailbreak from day one once I got them. Screw warranty, never use them anyway 🤣
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YES 4G is using 4G band 20.
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post May 17 2020, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 17 2020, 09:32 AM)
Didn't know that, thanks for the heads up! Then it'd be troublesome for yes 4g users.

Edit: The B20 is for commercial use? On Wikipedia it says its for trial under Yes 4G.
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Maybe our government wants to commercialize the B20.

If Redmi K30 Pro Zoom edition is officially launched in Malaysia, I believe Xiaomi will give 4G B20 to the phone.

All Xiaomi Redmi phones that officially launched in Malaysia have 4G band 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/20/38/40.

For U Mobile users, 4G band 7 is the most important for them.
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post May 17 2020, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 17 2020, 10:01 AM)
I see. That'd be quite congested since the government is also planning to initiate and expand 5g network, which is only a matter of time. I find it funny when 5g project is already in the plan while us maxis users are still waiting for VoLTE.

I wonder when the zoom edition will be commercialised here.
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Maybe MAXIS is going to give Vo5G, not VoLTE.

Hopefully Xiaomi Malaysia will be more aggressive in our market since the late comer - realme market share already exceeds Xiaomi.
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post May 22 2020, 05:35 AM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ May 21 2020, 05:12 PM)
Apparently, yes; becoz stock ROM is heavily having "nuisance activities" running in the background....
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Brother, that means our Malaysia set ROM (is it global ROM?) is totally different from EU ROM?

Can you explain more further in details and the different between our Malaysia set ROM and EU ROM?

Are the Mi browser, Mi player and all Mi related apps not pre-installed in EU ROM?
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post May 22 2020, 05:37 AM

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QUOTE(attw @ May 21 2020, 07:06 PM)
Ahh, OK. Looks like this EU ROM is quite a miracle worker then. Yeah, that's why I'm not a big fan of stock MIUI, lots of "nuisance activity" in the background as you put it laugh.gif
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Maybe that's why my previous Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 battery was draining quite fast.
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post May 22 2020, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 22 2020, 08:14 AM)
Its a group of devs deserve the credit here for bringing in the customised EU Rom. Not xiaomi for sticking the ads and bloatful apps in the phone lol.
Globat set?
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That means the EU ROM is not a official ROM from Xiaomi?
The user needs to flash the ROM himself into the phone?
Thus no official warranty for the phone after flash it?

It was a Malaysia set with global version written on the box.
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post May 22 2020, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(attw @ May 22 2020, 09:06 AM)
I think they've moved the Mi branding to premium, leaving the Redmi and Poco branding for the entry level and midrange market. The Blackshark is a niche by itself. The other thing about having so many models is that they end up cannibalising each other, so maybe in places where there is the Poco, the Redmi K series won't be present.
How old is your RN7? Mine is about a year old and the battery is still very good. Standby drain at night is only 3-4%.
Yeah, that's why Xiaomi can't convince me to spend too dollar on their phones yet. I'm not a fan of the bloatware and ads laugh.gif
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Almost 8 months already. Standby drain at night is the same with you.

QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 22 2020, 09:20 AM)
Correct me if I'm wrong, EU ROM is based on China stable weekly build ROM. You need to unlock bootloader and flash the ROM from TWRP to get it running. It's a customised ROM built by a group of European devs.

Unlike other custom ROMs, it seems that xiaomi and their European distributors have a special policy on this one particular EU ROM when it comes to warranty.

Since warranty is the least bit of worry on my end, you might want to find it out yourself. I don't think warranty policies in Europe and Malaysia are the same when it comes to Xiaomi EU. Perhaps others can shed some light on this?

The real official stock ROMs from xiaomi for European users are either Global ROM or EEA ROM.
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I see. Thanks for the explanation. 😊
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post May 22 2020, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ May 22 2020, 09:45 AM)
(1) Malaysia Set is not having the EU ROM. Malaysia set comes with Global ROM.

(2) The difference as follows :
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(3) EU ROM still keeping the following system apps:
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As the system apps are still present, I myself take my own initiative to further reduce some "background activities" by tweaking settings below:
(a) Enable Smart Scenes options.
(b) Disable access to Device ID.
© Disable Unrestricted Data for all System Apps.
(d) Disable Usage Access to all System Apps.
(e) Disable Authorization & Revocation for all System Apps.

All in all, the EU ROM has some effects to the background activities but not enough to prevent other nuisance. Therefore, user still need to tweak around further to minimize other background activities.
(1) EU (Europe) ROM is NOT official from Xiaomi; just like other custom ROMs in XDA community.

(2) Yes, the user needs to unlock the Bootloader (the official & legal method via Mi website) in order to be able to flash EU ROM.

(3) As highlighted below :
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All in all, MIUI is well known for its rouge background activities since MIUI version 1. If the user can bare the "nuisance", no harm to proceed with the stock MIUI. It's how Xiaomi makes money and sustain the SRP to be "affordable" and reaching the "Flagship Killer" title.

Xiaomi awares users can flash stock ROM to other custom ROMs and loses the cash from the "background activities" in stock MIUI. There was a time they block the unlock Bootloader to prevent user flash custom ROMs. But backlash from their fans reverse that decision.

As for me, for the past 5 Xiaomi devices, I only flash EU ROM immediately once the ROM is released. No turning back and won't try other custom ROMs. You can nominate me as the No. 1 Fan for EU ROM...LOL...
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Thanks for your professional explanation. 😊

Do you use any trading apps in your Xiaomi device?
I have one. But after using for 2 week, the app will automatically sign off itself after I use it for 30 minutes, it shows session expired on the display there.

Do you have any idea how to solve this problem?


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post May 22 2020, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ May 22 2020, 10:07 AM)
No trading apps in my F1 EU ROM.

You may try the following :
(1) Search for "System Apps" menu to disable their access to cellular Data.

(2) Disable Device ID access:
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(3) Enable Smart Scenes:
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(4) Disable all Authorization & Revocation :
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All the above tweaking are to reserve the resources to your Trading Apps. Rather than the System Apps taking all the resources, tweaking above will free up some resources for your Trading app to continue running happily.

On top of that, do the followings:
(1) Set "No restrictions" to the Trading App
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(2) Lock the Trading App so that it can constantly running in the Background
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(3) Enable "Auto Start" to the Trading App
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(4) Turn on "Unrestricted Data" to the Trading App
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Thank you so much. 😁
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post May 24 2020, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 24 2020, 12:07 AM)
Realme is getting better, while xiaomi is slowly following oneplus footstep.
I'm hoping op8 will drop a lot more, cause I find op7 pro is holding their own price pretty well.
I bet people won't talk about it much if they put the price above rm2.5k.
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Xiaomi is slowly following One+ ?

Can you explain further?
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post May 24 2020, 03:36 AM

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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 24 2020, 03:28 AM)
In terms of pricing I mean. They are just getting more expensive.
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I see.

In my opinion, it is a trend for all phone makers this year onwards including realme too.
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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 24 2020, 04:25 AM)
Yeah, it's a sickening trend to most consumer. I just hope realme won't step into premium price zone but I cant see that won't happen.
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Actually realme already stepped into the zone.

Look at the RRP for realme 6, 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM version, is same with SAMSUNG Galaxy A31.

Now just left Redmi has not entered the zone yet.
The RRP for Xiaomi Redmi Note 9, 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM is RM749.
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QUOTE(attw @ May 24 2020, 11:25 AM)
Phones are just going to keep getting pricier every year I guess. The best deals will be to buy last year's flagship phones this year smile.gif
Ok ma, shows that a lot of people interested in the phone smile.gif
I agree, the Realme 6 is such a big step up from the Realme 5. Looking forward to their X3 Super Zoom launch next week. I'm guessing it will be around 2499-2599, as a successor to the X2 Pro. OP phones generally don't drop that much in prices until after the next gen ones are released. The 8/256 OP7 Pro is quite a bargain now for RM2399. But the loyal and old time supporters remain unhappy with OP for losing their flagship killer mojo and joining the premium players laugh.gif

I'd love to try the OP8 Pro at some point too. But not at the current RRP!
Well, Realme hasn't released a RM3k phone yet, so that's good!
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I think they will keep that piece of market for oppo.

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post May 24 2020, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Someonesim @ May 24 2020, 11:31 AM)
Inevitable, as manufacturers keep improved on design/quality etc, xiaomi even without stupid-Qualcomm-forced-5G, already near flagship phone price last year.
Same as OnePlus, build quality, features and camera etc keep getting better.
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QUOTE(attw @ May 24 2020, 11:39 AM)
Ya, a big part of the reason why SD865 phones are so pricey is Qualcomm forcing 5G down everyone's throat with that chipset laugh.gif
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Maybe they can opt for the chipset from MediaTek.

I read an article said that HONOR also is going to get the chipset from MediaTek for some of their phones in the future.
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QUOTE(attw @ May 24 2020, 11:54 AM)
Yeah, true. Hopefully it'll stay that way smile.gif
Good point. If more phone makers start going with Mediatek as a cheaper option then it will be interesting. But to the mind of many consumers, flagship = SD8** series chipset smile.gif
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I believe MediaTek also can make a great flagship chipset soon as more and more people using their chipsets.

QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 24 2020, 12:15 PM)
Yep, totally agree! With the right pricing, I find the realme x3 super zoom has a quite specific market segment. Its like a playmaker/keyplayer that will push realme higher in the smartphone competition.
Inevitable indeed. I'm blaming Qualcomm here for dominating the flagships market but there's no denying that their performance is leading against the competition. Us consumers have always to milk more money 💸💸 to keep up with the trend.
Hope mediatek will do better in future. Eventhough the performance is quite good, their current lineup is just not flash friendly. But thats just me and a bunch of modders who just love to fully utilise and customise our android phones to a wider extent, and I think our percentage in the market is almost negligible.
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When more and more people are going to use MediaTek chipsets, then the developers will go to create more custom ROM and make it easier to flash in the future.

Just need some time only.

QUOTE(azhar75 @ May 24 2020, 01:28 PM)
As for me, I can't accept MTK becoz GCam is not 100% compatible ... So, still relying on Snap series in the end, and especially the ones that Google Pixel 5 is rumored to use (Snap 765G or 768G)...
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Maybe in the future, Google will make GCam compatible with MediaTek chipsets when he saw more users using their chipsets.
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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 24 2020, 04:35 PM)
MediaTek has been around for quite some time so I highly doubt that is going to happen anytime soon. Maybe not in the next 5 years. They don't even have fastboot mode in case when the device goes wrong. Hopefully they will change this soon.
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You are right.
MediaTek has been around for quite a long time.

But the situation has started to change when President Trump banned HUAWEI last year.

More phone manufacturers started to ditch Qualcomm Snapdragon chipsets and went to use MediaTek chipsets.

Now even HUAWEI's sub-brand, HONOR also will join the club.

I believe it's a good timing for MediaTek now to speed up in the innovations and provide more features because more money has come in now.
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post May 25 2020, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 25 2020, 07:19 AM)
True. Let's see how the trade war unfolds. Trump really enjoys to give people a lot of headaches doesn't he sweat.gif. If things go well then this might be a good chance for mediatek to step up to show what they are capable of icon_idea.gif
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Risks are chances also for everybody. icon_idea.gif
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post May 25 2020, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(mfa682 @ May 25 2020, 09:58 AM)
I thought the manufacturing cost in the state is higher, no?
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According to the economist, the answer is not really.
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QUOTE(XXXOOOXXXOOO @ May 25 2020, 02:49 PM)
issit ? why those manufacturer not in US ?
owner pocket is very honest ....
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I don't know since I am not a economist.
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I don't use any screen protector and casing for my phones unless it comes with a screen protector out of the box.

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