bcktang.. i dun get ur point...

apparently they do not realize that by if they sell at say 10%+ cheaper, they could make it back by quantity.

what if 10% is below their cost already. in tht case, no matter how many car they sold it will still not profitable.
u have to remember tht proton doesnt have the advantage of 100,000+ car per model not like other car maker.

Teh Juara was a mistake. Causing sore eyes and blindness.

It was not exactly "new"... it was a reskinned Mitsubishi Town Box, a micro van... similar to what perodua did with the Myvi... just that they made the diahatsu model better looking... instead of uglier.

No ler...I asked liao...at least for Savvy, default only 2 years warranty....the extra 3 years either u pay up or add interest to the loan.

For proton cars, i'll say the extra 3 years is COMPLUSORY... ...if got 10 years i also wanna buy.

Top gear is comparing the price in Pounds..which is like (averagely) 7 times our money.
U cannot say dont convert... it isnt fair to compare that way.

If a waja cost 10,000pounds there.. after conversion.. its rm70,000...which is about right aint it?
What makes the car prices so competitive there is theres no 200% excise duty there.

Exactly....it's a marketing havoc in Proton....they are confusing the markets of each car with their own products and devaluing older product at the same time.....

Not only that, Proton keep harping on better handling yadda yadda which is not important to the mass market. They should put more advertisement like P2 that focus on praticality, comfort and safety and more family oriented. That's why u see P2 advertisement is family oriented, focus on spaciouness and luggage etc.

After 20 years, Proton still don't know who's their customers....sigh....

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Added on July 25, 2007, 9:18 amSo what are u trying to say?? Iswara safer than Myvi?? How much do u know what actually happened? It all depends on speed and angle and the chain reaction of where it bounce of to. Too many factors are involved.

Fyi, there's one rich guy not too long ago died in a Mercs or BMW near Kiara there. Hit a tree also. So u say the Iswara tougher and safer than a BMW/Mercs???

I hate opportunitist basher with no facts.

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Added on July 25, 2007, 9:20 am100,000 car per model?? So far only the Myvi has that figure in 1 or 2 years. I think even kancil didn't manage that. So not every P2 car has the so called "100,000"+ advantage. Like Viva, i dun think it'll achieve the same success rate like Myvi.


This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 25 2007, 09:20 AM

i have no problem with the exterior.. but the interior, finishing wise, all i can say, its typical proton.. still waiting for the pics of interior.. price is good enough i think..

the real picture

same rims, same doors, same bumper design, only wit a different grill and a bit of xtra ass..

how much is the Gen2 now???? i read from the papers the new sedan is like RM45K+....

^still exterior pic. interested in interior.

i heard rumours that the interior is vastly improve.....with more compartment and cup holders....should be a good improvement

This post has been edited by Pro-MX: Jul 25 2007, 10:25 AM

well if u see clearly the headrest is diffrent. It sems like it has the adjustale headrest and no more of that permanent 'bucket' seat in th current gen2. Well that is great news

honestly, i dont care bout headrests.. a simple change in headrest is not gonna make everyone change their minds bout protons, r they??

well at least we know that proton had done somthing to their interior. And they also added a glovebox also(about time). Honestly that is quite an achievement

From that pic frm squareballs shows to me that it doesnt really look that nice.

For you maybe not, but for those who can't afford foreign cars, it might be a better choice. At lest, P1 did something to improve rather just change comestic design only.

Agree to it still hoping for something new but haiii, dissapointed atm, must have a look in interior side? I Guess still plactic covering everything. When you have a big accident not the impact that kill you but sharp razor broken plactic poke you till death.

exterior looks preety the same..but the sedan seems more practical....bigger rear headroom...larger bootspace...the boot can be open using key...+glove box...