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post Jan 19 2020, 11:49 AM, updated 6y ago

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post Jan 19 2020, 11:54 AM

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adik kalau mengerang dalam bahasa melayu macam mana?
"sedak abe sedak"
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post Jan 19 2020, 11:54 AM

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Test me lor. Confirm 100% correct
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10 sec in already cringey af


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post Jan 19 2020, 12:04 PM

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wow.. wow.. primary level BM also fail. this is what we called country in a country.
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post Jan 19 2020, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 19 2020, 12:55 PM)
Test me lor. Confirm 100% correct
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Jan 19 2020, 12:58 PM)
Come test me la.
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not all, most failed
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post Jan 19 2020, 12:29 PM

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don't lah. i kenot talk 100% kl malay.
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post Jan 19 2020, 12:35 PM

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Try doing this at SJKC and see the results
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post Jan 19 2020, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jan 19 2020, 01:35 PM)
Try doing this at SJKC and see the results
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post Jan 19 2020, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jan 19 2020, 12:35 PM)
Try doing this at SJKC and see the results
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post Jan 19 2020, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jan 19 2020, 12:35 PM)
Try doing this at SJKC and see the results
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Lulz. Confirm ada yg kene masuk kontena pos balik kampung halaman
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post Jan 19 2020, 12:43 PM

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Go test all the "runners" that "handles" stuff at govt offices, see if their BM ok or not...kekekekeke..that is about all the advantage you will have...
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post Jan 19 2020, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(ikankering @ Jan 19 2020, 12:29 PM)
don't lah. i kenot talk 100% kl malay.
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cakak 'ganu, leh? biggrin.gif icon_idea.gif
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post Jan 19 2020, 12:46 PM

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cakak 'ganu, leh?  biggrin.gif  icon_idea.gif
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besut ppl talk kelate.
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post Jan 19 2020, 12:48 PM

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patut x mau belajar 3 muka surat jawi
cakap bahasa kebangsaan pon tak geti laugh.gif

truly Chinese nationalist with marehsia IC
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post Jan 19 2020, 01:35 PM

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post Jan 19 2020, 01:39 PM

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But here many believe that the young ethnic chinese generation can do conversational Malay.

Topkek.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jan 19 2020, 01:29 PM)
patut x mau belajar 3 muka surat jawi
cakap bahasa kebangsaan pon tak geti laugh.gif

truly Chinese nationalist with marehsia IC
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tunggu apa lagi.. pi plotek lar. topkek.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 19 2020, 01:39 PM)
But here many believe that the young ethnic chinese generation can do conversational Malay.

Topkek.
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post Jan 19 2020, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 02:10 PM)
Muka chinese, nama semua Ang mo
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Need more traditional chinese name. I think it's way cooler.
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post Jan 19 2020, 02:18 PM

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post Jan 19 2020, 02:22 PM

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The Chinese girl with black blouse speak perfect BM
The interviewers ask her is she studied in SMK?
She said yes. Then the interviewer say "sekolah menegah patutlah pandai". In 10:41

That subtle jab at sjkc and dong zong laugh.gif
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post Jan 19 2020, 02:23 PM

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Sekarang, pergi test plak melayu cakap inggeris
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post Jan 19 2020, 02:45 PM

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Wow. Just wow.
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 07:10 AM)
Muka chinese, nama semua Ang mo
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Identity conflict.
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post Jan 19 2020, 03:00 PM

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Boleh buat test berapa melayu tau cakap bahasa cina/india? No? Asal bahasa yg di label "kebangsaan" cukup, yang lain takyah tau? Malaysia multicultural, multiracial, multireligious nation bukan ke?
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no wan can beat / defeat klatan Chinese. kecek klate boh. hahahahaha

trip go to china mainland then kutuk org sana guna BM/klate.

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post Jan 19 2020, 03:06 PM

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Anyone make a fuss of some random Chinese can't speak proper BM, is vavi in disguise.

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post Jan 19 2020, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 03:00 PM)
Boleh buat test berapa melayu tau cakap bahasa cina/india? No? Asal bahasa yg di label "kebangsaan" cukup, yang lain takyah tau? Malaysia multicultural, multiracial, multireligious nation bukan ke?
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Can. Just say chao ni ma, jibai, lanjiao, saupei, bu yao, dabao. Enough basic chinese language.

If indian language say, kaduvalei, su te, amma, appa, yidde, punde.

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post Jan 19 2020, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 03:06 PM)
Anyone make a fuss of some random Chinese can't speak proper BM,  is vavi in disguise.
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if it just some random Chinese sure
but this is some random Malaysian

want to be tongsan or Malaysian?
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 03:00 PM)
Boleh buat test berapa melayu tau cakap bahasa cina/india? No? Asal bahasa yg di label "kebangsaan" cukup, yang lain takyah tau? Malaysia multicultural, multiracial, multireligious nation bukan ke?
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Bukan kata tak perlu belajar yang lain. Cuma kena mahir bahasa kebangsaan dulu baru lah belajar bahasa lain. Orang india & pakistan di UK pon pandai cakap english. Orang cina & mexican di US pon pandai cakap english. Kenapa org malaysia di malaysia tak boleh berbahasa malaysia? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 03:00 PM)
Boleh buat test berapa melayu tau cakap bahasa cina/india? No? Asal bahasa yg di label "kebangsaan" cukup, yang lain takyah tau? Malaysia multicultural, multiracial, multireligious nation bukan ke?
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Bahasa kebangsaan tu bahasa apa?

If I were to migrate to Spain for example, I would bust my ass to learn Spanish to assimilate.

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post Jan 19 2020, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jan 19 2020, 03:17 PM)
Bahasa kebangsaan tu bahasa apa?

If I were to migrate to Spain for example, I would bust my ass to learn Spanish to assimilate.
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Tak payah cakap migrate lah. Org nk sambung belajar kat jepun, korea, france, german & etc pon semua belajar bahasa dulu sebelum pergi.
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QUOTE(masamura @ Jan 19 2020, 02:31 PM)
Sekarang, pergi test plak melayu cakap inggeris
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Hahahahahaha yes. Lets do that. At kampung la. At city sure can score
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 08:00 AM)
Boleh buat test berapa melayu tau cakap bahasa cina/india? No? Asal bahasa yg di label "kebangsaan" cukup, yang lain takyah tau? Malaysia multicultural, multiracial, multireligious nation bukan ke?
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Kau ni rakyat Malaysia ke bukan?

Dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia, bahasa rasmi kebangsaan bahasa apa?

Panggil bodoh kang marah.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jan 19 2020, 03:15 PM)
if it just some random Chinese sure
but this is some random Malaysian

want to be tongsan or Malaysian?
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Yes random Malaysian also. Those people making fuss are pure vavi
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QUOTE(masamura @ Jan 19 2020, 02:31 PM)
Sekarang, pergi test plak melayu cakap inggeris
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Test cina skali. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 03:00 PM)
Boleh buat test berapa melayu tau cakap bahasa cina/india? No? Asal bahasa yg di label "kebangsaan" cukup, yang lain takyah tau? Malaysia multicultural, multiracial, multireligious nation bukan ke?
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more like multinational since so many tongsan nationalist around.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 03:24 PM)
Yes random Malaysian also. Those people making fuss are pure vavi
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shouldn't make a fuss when seeing so called Malaysian behave more like a Chinese nationalist then Malaysian?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 08:06 AM)
Anyone make a fuss of some random Chinese can't speak proper BM,  is vavi in disguise.
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Yes. Those random chinese are not Malaysian. They are PRC citizens in disguise. Right?

Purge time, amirite?
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 19 2020, 03:26 PM)
Yes. Those random chinese are not Malaysian. They are PRC citizens in disguise. Right?

Purge time, amirite?
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Project IC 2.0? hmm.gif

Last time was pinoy, now PRC? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(masamura @ Jan 19 2020, 07:31 AM)
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Not that much difference. People who speak manglish yet proudly saying they are fluent in English are stupid all the same.

Grammar berterabur, vocab hampeh. Buat malu Malaysia je bila borak dengan ang mo.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jan 19 2020, 03:26 PM)
shouldn't make a fuss when seeing so called Malaysian behave more like a Chinese nationalist then Malaysian?
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Nope. They behave like 2nd class citizen

QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 19 2020, 03:26 PM)
Yes. Those random chinese are not Malaysian. They are PRC citizens in disguise. Right?

Purge time, amirite?
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They are second class citizen.


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 08:30 AM)
Nope. They behave like 2nd class citizen
They are second class citizen.
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I don’t which country you’re from, but in Malaysia you’re either Malaysian or not. No classes

If you want those citizen classes, go to that subcontinent.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 03:28 PM)
Project IC 2.0? hmm.gif

Last time was pinoy, now PRC? rclxub.gif
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Project 2nd class citizen

Those apply 1st class citizen from indon got discount.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 19 2020, 03:33 PM)
I don’t which country you’re from, but in Malaysia you’re either Malaysian or not. No classes

If you want those citizen classes, go to that subcontinent.
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Unofficially got.

1st class got ketuanan and discount
2nd class got vernacular school
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Should ask the jnterviwees:

Adalah kefasihan dalam Bahasa kebangsaan membolehkan anda memasuki universiti-university tempatan secara adil dan sama-rata muka anda berasal daripada kaum bukan putera bumi...?
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 19 2020, 03:34 PM)
Should ask the jnterviwees:

Adalah kefasihan dalam Bahasa kebangsaan membolehkan anda memasuki universiti-university tempatan secara adil dan sama-rata muka anda berasal daripada kaum bukan putera bumi...?
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very simple and straightforward answer for this - bumi ini milik siapa? Jangan persoal, lu tak suka lu balik tongsan
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 19 2020, 03:34 PM)
Should ask the jnterviwees:

Adalah kefasihan dalam Bahasa kebangsaan membolehkan anda memasuki universiti-university tempatan secara adil dan sama-rata muka anda berasal daripada kaum bukan putera bumi...?
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Adakah fasih BM dpt Status kelas pertama diskaun dan ketuanan?
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QUOTE(runemastertan @ Jan 19 2020, 03:36 PM)
very simple and straightforward answer for this - bumi ini milik siapa? Jangan persoal, lu tak suka lu balik tongsan
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So jadi kenalah fasih Cina. Kalau tak fasih susah nanti nak balik tongsan.
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 19 2020, 03:34 PM)
Should ask the jnterviwees:

Adalah kefasihan dalam Bahasa kebangsaan membolehkan anda memasuki universiti-university tempatan secara adil dan sama-rata muka anda berasal daripada kaum bukan putera bumi...?
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The discrimination is a separate issue all together please stick to the topic. Are you saying that its ok not to know Bahasa Malaysia because of discrimination in public unis?
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macha kasi chan la.....

x fasih BM but still they are the 1 contributrd to economy

not like they master suddenly can get BUMI status....lek ahhh


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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jan 19 2020, 03:37 PM)
The discrimination is a separate issue all together please stick to the topic. Are you saying that its ok not to know Bahasa Malaysia because of discrimination in public unis?
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Same issue. Discrimination is the reason why discriminated 2nd class citizen don't feel like learning 1st class language.

What's the point right? It's not like you get 1st treatment?


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Lol lot in denial...

It is reality, majority failed to even pronounce words..

No wonder
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 08:34 AM)
Unofficially got.

1st class got ketuanan and discount
2nd class got vernacular school
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If you want to make your own classes, that’s your problem.

But acting like pendatang will not solve the problem. Hell, even pendatang bangla are more proficient.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 19 2020, 03:45 PM)
If you want to make your own classes, that’s your problem.

But acting like pendatang will not solve the problem. Hell, even pendatang bangla are more proficient.
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Classes not made but is being reminded over and over again about the class by the government and also all government policy.

Pendatang Bangla efficient because they want to make money from 1st class citizen.

Ever since BMF, 2nd class citizen cannot make money from 1st class citizen. So it's useless to learn 1st class language.

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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ Jan 19 2020, 12:42 PM)
Lulz. Confirm ada yg kene masuk kontena pos balik kampung halaman
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Lol
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 03:30 PM)
Nope. They behave like 2nd class citizen
They are second class citizen.
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More like no class citizen.
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QUOTE(Perfect.Stranger @ Jan 19 2020, 03:40 PM)
Lol lot in denial...
It is reality, majority failed to even pronounce words..
No wonder
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last time i did grab in penang, cainis secondary school students also failed to distinguish between "kanan" & "kiri", belum lagi ayat penuh.


MEMALUKAN.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 03:53 PM)
Yeah what to do. No money
Yeah true. Very sad citiZen. Ckp citizen tapi kelas lain2.
Ya stupid people is stupid. 2nd class some more. Discriminated. Poor. Low education. Sad...
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Syukur already sedar. Kipidap!!
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 03:37 PM)
So jadi kenalah fasih Cina. Kalau tak fasih susah nanti nak balik tongsan.
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Yes and wonder y they still here 🤔
All this CCP wannabe are bunch of cockroaches. 💩💩

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jan 19 2020, 01:29 PM)
patut x mau belajar 3 muka surat jawi
cakap bahasa kebangsaan pon tak geti laugh.gif

truly Chinese nationalist with marehsia IC
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 03:17 PM)
Bukan kata tak perlu belajar yang lain. Cuma kena mahir bahasa kebangsaan dulu baru lah belajar bahasa lain. Orang india & pakistan di UK pon pandai cakap english. Orang cina & mexican di US pon pandai cakap english. Kenapa org malaysia di malaysia tak boleh berbahasa malaysia? hmm.gif
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Ok guys, first of all that isnt even Bahasa malaysia/Bahasa Kebangsaan/bahasa baku.. itu bahasa pasar. Paka benda nak test. Even malay cant speak proper bahasa baku. Mana da bahasa kebangsaan “korang korang”? Mana da "test bahasa"?
Cermin diri dahulu sebelum mengata dan menyindir orang lain tidak fasih berbahasa kebangsaan.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 19 2020, 03:54 PM)
Syukur already sedar. Kipidap!!
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Sedar lama dah...
QUOTE(Imkenashadowban @ Jan 19 2020, 03:54 PM)
Yes and wonder y they still here 🤔
All this CCP wannabe are bunch of cockroaches. 💩💩
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I think China also don't accept...so stuck here as 2nd class
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 08:46 AM)
Classes not made but is being reminded over and over again about the class by the government and also all government policy.

Pendatang Bangla efficient because they want to make money from 1st class citizen.

Ever since BMF, 2nd class citizen cannot make money from 1st class citizen. So it's useless to learn 1st class language.
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It’s up to you what you want to think. If you surround yourself with like-minded people, then forever you’d be in this siege mentality. I choose not to.

BMF is just an excuse, a fad. Most people don’t really care. Just because a few jumped-up people making racist statements does not mean the rest is the same. Better yet, why not prove them wrong?

If you choose to act like pendatang, speak like pendatang, then forever would you be called pendatang.
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QUOTE(Baby1985 @ Jan 19 2020, 03:55 PM)
Ok guys, first of all that isnt even Bahasa malaysia/Bahasa Kebangsaan/bahasa baku.. itu bahasa pasar. Paka benda nak test. Even malay cant speak proper bahasa baku. Mana da bahasa kebangsaan “korang korang”?  Mana da "test bahasa"?
Cermin diri dahulu sebelum mengata dan menyindir orang lain tidak fasih berbahasa kebangsaan.
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QUOTE(Baby1985 @ Jan 19 2020, 08:55 AM)
Ok guys, first of all that isnt even Bahasa malaysia/Bahasa Kebangsaan/bahasa baku.. itu bahasa pasar. Paka benda nak test. Even malay cant speak proper bahasa baku. Mana da bahasa kebangsaan “korang korang”?  Mana da "test bahasa"?
Cermin diri dahulu sebelum mengata dan menyindir orang lain tidak fasih berbahasa kebangsaan.
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So you’re saying those interviewed are actually good in bahasa baku kebangsaan?
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last time i did grab in penang, cainis secondary school students also failed to distinguish between "kanan" & "kiri", belum lagi ayat penuh.
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My experience Chinese in Penang and KL is very bad one. The Penang Chinese guy openly admit to me he can't talk BM at all, not a lick of word. I appreciate his honesty but damm. In the bright side I talked and have interesting conversation with Chinese from Kelantan and Perak in BM, their BM so good that they restore my faith in this country.

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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 04:06 PM)
My experience Chinese in Penang and KL is very bad one. The Penang Chinese guy openly admit to me he can't talk BM at all, not a lick of word. I appreciate his honesty but damm. In the bright side I talked and have interesting conversation with Chinese from Kelantan and Perak in BM, their BM so good that they restore my faith in this country.
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This is so so only, wait till u can decipher nowadays Malays type messages, now that's worth to hoo ha about.
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QUOTE(alna1988 @ Jan 19 2020, 03:04 PM)
no wan can beat / defeat klatan Chinese. kecek klate boh. hahahahaha

trip go to china mainland then kutuk org sana guna BM/klate.
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QUOTE(hirano @ Jan 19 2020, 03:09 PM)
Can. Just say chao ni ma, jibai, lanjiao, saupei, bu yao, dabao. Enough basic chinese language.

If indian language say, kaduvalei, su te, amma, appa, yidde, punde.
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QUOTE(tatmeng @ Jan 19 2020, 04:16 PM)
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Don't worry. Your faith in racism will always be stronger and stronger.
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It become a bit stronger when I met people like you unfortunately

But I do realized not all people are like you. So it's ok then, I won't let my perception of you infect my perception of others

Have a nice day
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Boleh buat test berapa melayu tau cakap bahasa cina/india? No? Asal bahasa yg di label "kebangsaan" cukup, yang lain takyah tau? Malaysia multicultural, multiracial, multireligious nation bukan ke?
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I'm not in China and I'm not in India.

But if I was born there, even if I need to stay/work there, I will definitely learn their LOCAL language.

Now I was born in Malaysia, a south east asia, with almost 300,000,000 speakers for this language, marked as national language for both Malaysian and Indonesia, so I will completely must to know how to speak.

Unless i'm arrogant, racist, and not gonna stay here for long since I'll back to China and India.

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 04:16 PM)
Chinese nick. LOL...another fake Chinese.
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I'm not in China and I'm not in India.

But if I was born there, even if I need to stay/work there, I will definitely learn their LOCAL language.

Now I was born in Malaysia, a south east asia, with almost 300,000,000 speakers for this language, marked as national language for both Malaysian and Indonesia, so I will completely must to know how to speak.

Unless i'm arrogant, racist, and not gonna stay here for long since I'll back to China and India.
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QUOTE(Baby1985 @ Jan 19 2020, 04:17 PM)
And one more thing, why only target chinese? Bahasa kebangsaan is for all, ni klu setakat jawab dalam bahasa pasar tu jangan la sombong sangat cakap fasih bahasa malaysia.
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Sorry to say to you, I'm sure if the interview is done to Indian they will pass with near perfect score and so does other races
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Kalau ada bebola, cuba test yg Melayu punya BM jugak.

Jangan terkejut tawwww.

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Sorry to say to you, I'm sure if the interview is done to Indian they will pass with near perfect score and so does other races
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Sorry to say to you, I'm sure if the interview is done to Indian they will pass with near perfect score and so does other races
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Nope, sorry to tel you that. By using bahasa malaysia even malay cant speak well. Try to speak like what tv3 reporter do. You will understand what i meant. Not the "korang", "hang", "yeke" type of language.
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keep taichying guys. hahaha. so much of quality from SJKC. quality so powderful till speak BM also powderful.
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keep taichying guys. hahaha. so much of quality from SJKC. quality so powderful till speak BM also powderful.
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A proud Melayu Muslim. This is what his race and religion had taught him. He will be a proud symbol of Malaysia and Islam to the rest of the world smile.gif
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Bila warga asing meminta contoh seorang warga Malaysia yang penuh ciri-ciri ramah, mesra, berteladan, beragama, bermoral, dan berpermanusiaan, kita semua boleh sebulat semulut suara merujuk kepada Big Ball Jackson sebagai contoh utama negara kita kepada dunia jni.
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A proud Melayu Muslim. This is what his race and religion had taught him. He will be a proud symbol of Malaysia and Islam to the rest of the world smile.gif
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QUOTE(Baby1985 @ Jan 19 2020, 03:55 PM)
Ok guys, first of all that isnt even Bahasa malaysia/Bahasa Kebangsaan/bahasa baku.. itu bahasa pasar. Paka benda nak test. Even malay cant speak proper bahasa baku. Mana da bahasa kebangsaan “korang korang”?  Mana da "test bahasa"?
Cermin diri dahulu sebelum mengata dan menyindir orang lain tidak fasih berbahasa kebangsaan.
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The last lady in black did asked, proper bahasa or bahasa pasar, because she can do both. Did the rest of them who failed even ask?

And i did cermin diri, me being a kelantanese of course i can either speak proper BM or kelate dialect. I only learned KL slang once i came here to work.
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Dont worry. Your racism is noted. You will meet your parent in hell for Assabiyyah.
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Ironically Assabiyyah mean berpuak-puak don't want to join with others. How to join with others if speak national language also can't. Keep shouting people racist while avoiding the current topic and issues, it doesn't solve anything
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QUOTE(Baby1985 @ Jan 19 2020, 04:28 PM)
Nope, sorry to tel you that. By using bahasa malaysia even malay cant speak well. Try to speak like what tv3 reporter do. You will understand what i meant. Not the "korang", "hang", "yeke" type of language.
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This. Ask them what is consider good BM?

They won't be able to answer you...

1) Proper tatabahasa dan sebutan baku
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2) Bahasa Pasar?


(most cainis taught the 1st way but Melei laugh at it while many of their rempits and kampung people can't string proper sentences through their broken teeth)

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Sudah datang puak puak tersebut cuba melindungi dan mempertahankan dirinya serta kumpulannya

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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 04:06 PM)
My experience Chinese in Penang and KL is very bad one. The Penang Chinese guy openly admit to me he can't talk BM at all, not a lick of word. I appreciate his honesty but damm. In the bright side I talked and have interesting conversation with Chinese from Kelantan and Perak in BM, their BM so good that they restore my faith in this country.
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Of course nons in kelantan can speak proper BM, language is what unite us together.

I have the same observation, most who can speak BM properly are from kelantan, terengganu, kedah, perak & pahang. Most who can’t speak BM are from KL and Penang. The rest are 50-50. Oh that exclude S&S.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:03 PM)
Of course nons in kelantan can speak proper BM, language is what unite us together.

I have the same observation, most who can speak BM properly are from kelantan, terengganu, kedah, perak & pahang. Most who can’t speak BM are from KL and Penang. The rest are 50-50. Oh that exclude S&S.
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Normally orang luar bandar know how to coexist and not talking cock about perpaduan
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QUOTE(United Rulez @ Jan 19 2020, 04:58 PM)
This. Ask them what is consider good BM?

They won't be able to answer you...

1) Proper tatabahasa dan sebutan baku
or
2) Bahasa Pasar?
(most cainis taught the 1st way but Melei laugh at it while many of their rempits and kampung people can't string proper sentences through their broken teeth)
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Good BM is when you can differentiate; pandang, pandangan, pemandangan, memandangankan, berpandangan, pandang-memandang, terpandang & etc.

Pronunciation doesn’t weight much, it is called accent.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:03 PM)
Of course nons in kelantan can speak proper BM, language is what unite us together.

I have the same observation, most who can speak BM properly are from kelantan, terengganu, kedah, perak & pahang. Most who can’t speak BM are from KL and Penang. The rest are 50-50. Oh that exclude S&S.
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language only?

how about religions breaking the whole community apart?

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QUOTE(Baby1985 @ Jan 19 2020, 04:28 PM)
Nope, sorry to tel you that. By using bahasa malaysia even malay cant speak well. Try to speak like what tv3 reporter do. You will understand what i meant. Not the "korang", "hang", "yeke" type of language.
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Actually it doesn't matter what dielect or slang, as long as you can have basic conservation with others, it's ok. If you speak Chinese slang BM or Indian slang BM also can and are acceptable, we understand.

For example. The view of that beach is beautiful or let's go eat together become "itu pantai banyak cantik" or "lu mari makan sama saya" are acceptable because we can understand and converse with each other despite with different BM slang, accent or whatever you want to call it. Old aunties and uncles speak like that for ages and everyone accept them.

You don't have to hell bent want people to speak "proper BM" or Bahasa baku, just speak however you are comfortable with as long as others can understand is enough.


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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:06 PM)
Normally orang luar bandar know how to coexist and not talking cock about perpaduan
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Yes. They don’t have prejudice to other people, hence they are willing to coexist. And racism brainwashing (both side) are not much in luar bandar.
QUOTE(gundamsp01 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:09 PM)
language only?

how about religions breaking the whole community apart?
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Of course nons in kelantan can speak proper BM, language is what unite us together.

I have the same observation, most who can speak BM properly are from kelantan, terengganu, kedah, perak & pahang. Most who can’t speak BM are from KL and Penang. The rest are 50-50. Oh that exclude S&S.
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My observation tally with yours
But this gogo guy still butthurt over it doh.gif
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:09 PM)
Good BM is when you can differentiate; pandang, pandangan, pemandangan, memandangankan, berpandangan, pandang-memandang, terpandang & etc.

Pronunciation doesn’t weight much, it is called accent.
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Kesemua perkataan yang saudara menggunakan sebagai contoh tidak difahami oleh saya. Sila menerangkan dengan lebih lanjut, selanjutnya, lanjut-lanjutan, dalam, mendalam, secara lebih dalam, dengan dalam lagi.
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Kesemua perkataan yang saudara menggunakan sebagai contoh tidak difahami oleh saya. Sila menerangkan dengan lebih lanjut, selanjutnya, lanjut-lanjutan, dalam, mendalam, secara lebih dalam, dengan dalam lagi.
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You have understandable BM, good enough for you to start a conversation. Good enough for you to develop conversational BM over the time.

And it should be terangkan. Please explain, not please explaining.
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My observation tally with yours
But this gogo guy still butthurt over it doh.gif
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Kesemua perkataan yang saudara menggunakan sebagai contoh tidak difahami oleh saya. Sila menterangkan dengan lebih lanjut, selanjutnya, lanjut-lanjutan, dalam, mendalam, secara lebih mendalam, dengan dalam lagi.
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Bukan kata tak perlu belajar yang lain. Cuma kena mahir bahasa kebangsaan dulu baru lah belajar bahasa lain. Orang india & pakistan di UK pon pandai cakap english. Orang cina & mexican di US pon pandai cakap english. Kenapa org malaysia di malaysia tak boleh berbahasa malaysia? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jan 19 2020, 03:17 PM)
Bahasa kebangsaan tu bahasa apa?

If I were to migrate to Spain for example, I would bust my ass to learn Spanish to assimilate.
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Kau ni rakyat Malaysia ke bukan?

Dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia, bahasa rasmi kebangsaan bahasa apa?

Panggil bodoh kang marah.
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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jan 19 2020, 03:37 PM)
The discrimination is a separate issue all together please stick to the topic. Are you saying that its ok not to know Bahasa Malaysia because of discrimination in public unis?
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As usual, everyone of you missed the point. You demand & insult the other races for not knowing bahasa kebangsaan. But have you, as a malaysian, learn other languages yourself? Or are you going to hide your ignorance behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" and only demand of 1 side while conveninently overlooking yourself?

QUOTE(Gyazo @ Jan 19 2020, 04:20 PM)
I'm not in China and I'm not in India.

But if I was born there, even if I need to stay/work there, I will definitely learn their LOCAL language.

Now I was born in Malaysia, a south east asia, with almost 300,000,000 speakers for this language, marked as national language for both Malaysian and Indonesia, so I will completely must to know how to speak.

Unless i'm arrogant, racist, and not gonna stay here for long since I'll back to China and India.
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And the local language here in malaysia is bahasa melayu, cina dan tamil (ofc you can argue there are many languages in malaysia, but lets just stick with the majority 3 shall we). What other languages you know beside your own mother tongue, which happened to be bahasa kebangsaan? Oh no need, imma just gonna hide behind the "kebangsaan "/"national" label yipeee, no need to learn anything else rclxm9.gif and throw cheap shot at those who dunno bahasa, calling them don't deserve to be called malaysian, yay???



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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 05:30 PM)
As usual, everyone of you missed the point. You demand & insult the other races for not knowing bahasa kebangsaan. But have you, as a malaysian, learn other languages yourself? Or are you going to hide your ignorance behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" and only demand of 1 side while conveninently overlooking yourself?

And the local language here in malaysia is bahasa melayu, cina dan tamil (ofc you can argue there are many languages in malaysia, but lets just stick with the majority 3 shall we). What other languages you know beside your own mother tongue, which happened to be bahasa kebangsaan? Oh no need, imma just gonna hide behind the "kebangsaan "/"national" label yipeee, no need to learn anything else rclxm9.gif  and throw cheap shot at those who dunno bahasa, calling them don't deserve to be called malaysian, yay???
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Sorry i did missed your point. Actually i don’t understand you point. Why do i need to learn language other than national language again? hmm.gif

And when you say bahasa cina, you’re referring to hokkien, cantonese, hakka or which one? hmm.gif

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As usual, everyone of you missed the point. You demand & insult the other races for not knowing bahasa kebangsaan. But have you, as a malaysian, learn other languages yourself? Or are you going to hide your ignorance behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" and only demand of 1 side while conveninently overlooking yourself?

And the local language here in malaysia is bahasa melayu, cina dan tamil (ofc you can argue there are many languages in malaysia, but lets just stick with the majority 3 shall we). What other languages you know beside your own mother tongue, which happened to be bahasa kebangsaan? Oh no need, imma just gonna hide behind the "kebangsaan "/"national" label yipeee, no need to learn anything else rclxm9.gif and throw cheap shot at those who dunno bahasa, calling them don't deserve to be called malaysian, yay???
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Its hilarious that you should mention about other languages. I am actually not a Malay. I am a Punjabi who speaks English, Malay, Hindi, Punjabi and broken Hokkien.
I am proud to be a Malaysian and I am proud of the fact that I speak the Bahasa Kebangsaan fluently.


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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:36 PM)
Sorry i did missed your point. Actually i don’t understand you point. Why do i need to learn language other than national language again? hmm.gif

And when you say bahasa cina, you’re referring to hokkien, cantonese, hakka or which one? hmm.gif
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Coz malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like china, japan, korea etc. My question is simple, have you learned other languages to fit in as a citizen of a multicultural multiracial society? Or are you going to refuse to learn and just hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"?
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 05:45 PM)
Coz malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like china, japan, korea etc. My question is simple, have you learned other languages to fit in as a citizen of a multicultural multiracial society? Or are you going to refuse to learn and just hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"?
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You’re saying you know how to speak tamil?

And you haven’t answered my question. Which bahasa cina were you referring to?
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 04:52 PM)
The last lady in black did asked, proper bahasa or bahasa pasar, because she can do both. Did the rest of them who failed even ask?

And i did cermin diri, me being a kelantanese of course i can either speak proper BM or kelate dialect. I only learned KL slang once i came here to work.
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 05:11 PM)
Actually it doesn't matter what dielect or slang, as long as you can have basic conservation with others, it's ok. If you speak Chinese slang BM or Indian slang BM also can and are acceptable, we understand.

For example. The view of that beach is beautiful or let's go eat together become "itu pantai banyak cantik" or "lu mari makan sama saya" are acceptable because we can understand and converse with each other despite with different BM slang, accent or whatever you want to call it. Old aunties and uncles speak like that for ages and everyone accept them.

You don't have to hell bent want people to speak "proper BM" or Bahasa baku, just speak however you are comfortable with as long as others can understand is enough.
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So why the racist review and comment to them when bahasa baku is not the main topic, it is just a language that still can be understandable by us.

At the end, it still how we communicate is more important than what language we must use to communicate. Like me, i don speak canto but I understand, so when ppl ask in canto i wil reply in Mandarin or english.
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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jan 19 2020, 05:42 PM)
Its hilarious that you should mention about other languages. I am actually not a Malay. I am a Punjabi who speaks English, Malay, Hindi, Punjabi and broken Hokkien.
I am proud to be a Malaysian and I am proud of the fact that I speak the Bahasa Kebangsaan fluently.
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Then good for you. I'm a chinese who knows English, Malay, Cantonese, Mandarin (not so good but passable)

I'm proud to be Malaysian as well and also able to speak Bahasa Kebangsaan. Problem here is since when did this "you dunno national language you dun deserve to be called malaysian" started? Please tell me, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

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It's okay. So called BM is not useful outside of Malaysia anyway
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[quote=bigwolf,Jan 19 2020, 05:30 PM]
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As usual, everyone of you missed the point. You demand & insult the other races for not knowing bahasa kebangsaan. But have you, as a malaysian, learn other languages yourself? Or are you going to hide your ignorance behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" and only demand of 1 side while conveninently overlooking yourself?

And the local language here in malaysia is bahasa melayu, cina dan tamil (ofc you can argue there are many languages in malaysia, but lets just stick with the majority 3 shall we). What other languages you know beside your own mother tongue, which happened to be bahasa kebangsaan? Oh no need, imma just gonna hide behind the "kebangsaan "/"national" label yipeee, no need to learn anything else rclxm9.gif and throw cheap shot at those who dunno bahasa, calling them don't deserve to be called malaysian, yay???
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Do you really understand what the word 'majority' mean?



Indian people go speak tamil to chinese people, do u think they will understand? Nope.
Chinese people go speak mandari to indian people, do u think they would understand? Nope.

Maybe english yes, but in rural area, even in sabah, sarawak, with different ethnic, speak those language on those people and English, i dont think so.

But if you speak bahasa Malaysia, they will.

Still in Malaysia malay is #1 language that most of different race, different ethnic both rural and city area could understand, and second is #2 English(mostly city people).



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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:49 PM)
You’re saying you know how to speak tamil?

And you haven’t answered my question. Which bahasa cina were you referring to?
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Unfortunately no, I didn't have the opportunity to learn tamil. But its kinda cool if I can know tamil.

Whichever bahasa cina that you can speak to the cina guy. Can be cantonese, hokkien, teochow, mandarin. Your point is?
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:09 PM)
Good BM is when you can differentiate; pandang, pandangan, pemandangan, memandangankan, berpandangan, pandang-memandang, terpandang & etc.

Pronunciation doesn’t weight much, it is called accent.
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QUOTE(Baby1985 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:50 PM)
So why the racist review and comment to them when bahasa baku is not the main topic, it is just a language that still can be understandable by us.

At the end, it still how we communicate is more important than what language we must use to communicate. Like me, i don speak canto but I understand, so when ppl ask in canto i wil reply in Mandarin or english.
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Bahasa baku is the pronunciation. We are discussing people who can’t string a proper sentence.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:09 PM)
Good BM is when you can differentiate; pandang, pandangan, pemandangan, memandangankan, berpandangan, pandang-memandang, terpandang & etc.

Pronunciation doesn’t weight much, it is called accent.
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BS

I've even seen ministers with good tatabahasa but just because their accent is typical cainis, they will be laugh at "Teruknya bahasa"

Meanwhile whenever I use powderful melei accent without caring about grammar, they will stare in amazement, "Fuiyo BM u power laaa"
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QUOTE(Gyazo @ Jan 19 2020, 05:52 PM)
Do you really understand what the word 'majority' mean?
Indian people go speak tamil to chinese people, do u think they will understand? Nope.
Chinese people go speak mandari to indian people, do u think they would understand? Nope.

Maybe english yes, but in rural area, even in sabah, sarawak, with different ethnic, speak those language on those people and English, i dont think so.

But if you speak bahasa Malaysia, they will.

Still in Malaysia malay is #1 language that most of different race, different ethnic both rural and city area  could understand, and second is #2 English(mostly city people).
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You are still not getting the point. What other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society?
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My observation tally with yours
But this gogo guy still butthurt over it doh.gif
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Racist people like you should go back to rahmatullah

QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:23 PM)
Some people are being brainwashed to hate certain race. Just like BTN course, only the opposite race.
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Hate certain race only come from racist people. And I assume you realise the racist people is Imp Bron for implying Chinese cannot speak BM eventhough I speak like a Malay.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 05:54 PM)
Unfortunately no, I didn't have the opportunity to learn tamil. But its kinda cool if I can know tamil.

Whichever bahasa cina that you can speak to the cina guy. Can be cantonese, hokkien, teochow, mandarin. Your point is?
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My point is, i can communicate with my multiracial friends in Bahasa Malaysia, why do i need to learn other languages?

And Malaysia is a multilingual, multi-religion, and multi-race, but the individual don’t have to be. Do i need to be muslim & christian at the same time? Enough for you to know BM and your dialect and English if you plan to be marketable.

I did planned to learn bahasa cina, then i realized there is just too many dialect and you can't understand the other dialect if you only learn one dialect. Heck even cina i befriended with mostly know one dialect only and only speak with their own kind.
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You are still not getting the point. What other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society?
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Living in multi culture does not mean i need to learn every language, as other race could easily understand the national language

I know malay, english, a bit thai but forgot already since dint stay there many years already

i dunno why i need learn other language than that, unless if i stay in china or india, thai, spain, arab, vietnam, france, as i mentioned previously i will definitely learn the language as those are LOCAL/NATIONAL/MAJORITY language

as i living in Malaysia. Malay is enough for LOCAL, and English for INTERNATIONAL.

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:02 PM)
Racist people like you should go back to rahmatullah
Hate certain race only come from racist people. And I assume you realise the racist people is Imp Bron for implying Chinese cannot speak BM eventhough I speak like a Malay.
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I don’t know your history with Imp Bron and what kind of people Imp Bron is before this. So i can’t assume he is racist from his initial post.

If you can speak BM, good for you.
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My point is, i can communicate with my multiracial friends in Bahasa Malaysia, why do i need to learn other languages?

And Malaysia is a multilingual, multi-religion, and multi-race, but the individual don’t have to be. Do i need to be muslim & christian at the same time? Enough for you to know BM and your dialect and English if you plan to be marketable.

I did planned to learn bahasa cina, then i realized there is just too many dialect and you can't understand the other dialect if you only learn one dialect. Heck even cina i befriended with mostly know one dialect only and only speak with their own kind.
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This here is the problem. You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you use the label "kebangsaan"/"national" as though only 1 language can be allowed to be used here in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(Gyazo @ Jan 19 2020, 06:05 PM)
Living in multi culture does not mean i need to learn every language, as other race could easily understand the national language

I know malay, english, a bit thai but forgot already since dint stay there many years already

i dunno why i need learn other language than that, unless if i stay in china or india, thai, spain, arab, vietnam, france, as i mentioned previously i will definitely learn the language as those are LOCAL/NATIONAL/MAJORITY language

as i living in Malaysia. Malay is enough for LOCAL, and English for INTERNATIONAL.
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same as what I replied above
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QUOTE(United Rulez @ Jan 19 2020, 05:56 PM)
BS

I've even seen ministers with good tatabahasa but just because their accent is typical cainis, they will be laugh at "Teruknya bahasa"

Meanwhile whenever I use powderful melei accent without caring about grammar, they will stare in amazement, "Fuiyo BM u power laaa"
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Well please don’t put me in the same category with those people. I have my own standard and i am not a sheep.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:06 PM)
I don’t know your history with Imp Bron and what kind of people Imp Bron is before this. So i can’t assume he is racist from his initial post.

If you can speak BM, good for you.
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Unfortunately your statement somehow said I am on the other side of BTN spectrum eventhough you don't read everything.

Anyway, speak BM is one thing. Speaking BM like KL Rempit is my specialty.

I am now wishing Imp Bron " Selamat Kembali ke Rahmatullah".


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This here is the problem. You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you use the label "kebangsaan"/"national" as though only 1 language can be allowed to be used here in Malaysia.
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It is not my language, it is the National Language. Even the name is Bahasa Malaysia not Bahasa Melayu like Anwar trying to change last time.

My language is bahasa kelate. Even people proficient in BM will shit brick trying to understand bahasa kelate.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:02 PM)
My point is, i can communicate with my multiracial friends in Bahasa Malaysia, why do i need to learn other languages?

And Malaysia is a multilingual, multi-religion, and multi-race, but the individual don’t have to be. Do i need to be muslim & christian at the same time? Enough for you to know BM and your dialect and English if you plan to be marketable.

I did planned to learn bahasa cina, then i realized there is just too many dialect and you can't understand the other dialect if you only learn one dialect. Heck even cina i befriended with mostly know one dialect only and only speak with their own kind.
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Full of excuses and one word: lazy

Worse that you still not realized of your 1 finger kept pointing at others (Chinese in this case), but 4 fingers pointing back at yourself.

Extremist kind like you, really making a bad name for your race until to the level that it does not even needs to be stereotyped.

And welcome to my favorite ignore list. Seeing another reply from your extremist kind will make me puke.
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It is not my language, it is the National Language. Even the name is Bahasa Malaysia not Bahasa Melayu like Anwar trying to change last time.

My language is bahasa kelate. Even people proficient in BM will shit brick trying to understand bahasa kelate.
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Again, hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours.
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A proud Melayu Muslim. This is what his race and religion had taught him. He will be a proud symbol of Malaysia and Islam to the rest of the world smile.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:11 PM)
Unfortunately your statement somehow said I am on the other side of BTN spectrum eventhough you don't read everything.

Anyway, speak BM is one thing. Speaking BM like KL Rempit is my specialty.

I am now wishing Imp Bron " Selamat Kembali ke Rahmatullah".
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I am sorry if you’re not that kind of person. It just seeing you agreeing with the bolded statement kind of offend me because i was born being one of them.

I am not a fan of stereotyping.
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 19 2020, 06:14 PM)
Full of excuses and one word: lazy

Worse that you still not realized of your 1 finger kept pointing at others (Chinese in this case), but 4 fingers pointing back at yourself.

Extremist kind like you, really making a bad name for your race until to the level that it does not even needs to be stereotyped.

And welcome to my favorite ignore list. Seeing another reply from your extremist kind will make me puke.
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Very immature reply he’s not an extremist the other idiots might be. I’m not malay but can you not see the importance of knowing the National language? Forget about other issues look at this in isolation. How is it ok for Malaysians not to be able to speak BM?
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 19 2020, 06:14 PM)
Full of excuses and one word: lazy

Worse that you still not realized of your 1 finger kept pointing at others (Chinese in this case), but 4 fingers pointing back at yourself.

Extremist kind like you, really making a bad name for your race until to the level that it does not even needs to be stereotyped.

And welcome to my favorite ignore list. Seeing another reply from your extremist kind will make me puke.
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Well the feeling is mutual. Extremist like you have been in my ignore list for quite some time. Unfortunately i can see your reply when you quoting me.
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It is not my language, it is the National Language. Even the name is Bahasa Malaysia not Bahasa Melayu like Anwar trying to change last time.

My language is bahasa kelate. Even people proficient in BM will shit brick trying to understand bahasa kelate.
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Our national language is the Malay Language - article 152
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 05:45 PM)
Coz malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like china, japan, korea etc. My question is simple, have you learned other languages to fit in as a citizen of a multicultural multiracial society? Or are you going to refuse to learn and just hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"?
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Indonesia also is a multi lingual countries. There so many spoken language there but their official language is Bahasa Indonesia. Everyone must be able to speak Bahasa Indonesia. Almost 30 languages I check below

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Same also in USA, got asian, pinoy, Mexican and hundred other cultures but their official language is English. Every must be able to speak English if you live in USA

Tongsan also the same, many dielect but official one is Mandarin. Everyone must know Mandarin if you live in China.

If you live in Malaysia you must at least be able to converse in BM. That is basic requirements. Other languages is extra points if you know them
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So why the racist review and comment to them when bahasa baku is not the main topic, it is just a language that still can be understandable by us.

At the end, it still how we communicate is more important than what language we must use to communicate. Like me, i don speak canto but I understand, so when ppl ask in canto i wil reply in Mandarin or english.
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This true, basic conservation is enough. But please respect the official language where are you staying, in this case basic BM conservation

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Racist people like you should go back to rahmatullah
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You think you can say "rahmatullah" in wrong context you are good in BM. Man your argument have no substance, shouting other people racist is the only good thing you can do then I'm sad for you.


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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:19 PM)
I am sorry if you’re not that kind of person. It just seeing you agreeing with the bolded statement kind of offend me because i was born being one of them.

I am not a fan of stereotyping.
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Sorry if it offend you but you need to understand why I agree to it. You read what was written earlier? He want to wipe us out. Do you agree with wiping us out?
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 06:19 PM)
Again, hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours.
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Do you think it’s easy for a kelantanese to learn BM? It is an alien language altogether.

But like i said, all of my non friend in Kelantan can speak bahasa kelate, so we have no problem mingling. And all of my non friend in KL can speak english, so i don’t have any problem communicating with them either.

Like i said, i expect a malaysian to be able to speak BM.

And i know bahasa arab from reading Quran, Hangukeyo from watching k-drama, and currently learning Deutsch because i work for a German company and occasionally i have visitors from Germany.
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 06:21 PM)
Very immature reply he’s not an extremist the other idiots might be. I’m not malay but can you not see the importance of knowing the National language? Forget about other issues look at this in isolation. How is it ok for Malaysians not to be able to speak BM?
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It is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started? Please tell me, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

And hence my question back at them - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society?

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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 06:25 PM)

You think you can say "rahmatullah" in wrong context you are good in BM. Man your argument have no substance, shouting other people racist is the only good thing you can do then I'm sad for you.
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I said I am good in BM not because I can use that in wrong context. It's because I can speak like a Rempit KL.

So now I wish you Selamat Meninggal.

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:30 PM)
I said I am good in BM not because I can use that in wrong context. It's because I can speak like a Rempit KL.

So now I wish you Selamat Meninggal.
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That also wrong
Selamat is for greeting. You don't say selamat + negative word

"Sila meninggal" is the right phrase that you are looking for. Thanks me later

Cheers biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:29 PM)
Do you think it’s easy for a kelantanese to learn BM? It is an alien language altogether.

But like i said, all of my non friend in Kelantan can speak bahasa kelate, so we have no problem mingling. And all of my non friend in KL can speak english, so i don’t have any problem communicating with them either.

Like i said, i expect a malaysian to be able to speak BM.

And i know bahasa arab from reading Quran, Hangukeyo from watching k-drama, and currently learning Deutsch because i work for a German company and occasionally i have visitors from Germany.
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You know arab, hangukeyo, deutsch, good for you. You have my respect for such knowledge, truly. But again, why not mandarin/cantonese/hokkien/etc or tamil to be able to speak with your brethren if they dunno how to speak yours? Because its a 1 way street, they must know bahasa "kebangsaan" to communicate with you and no need you know their language? And call them not patriotic/not deserving to be called Malaysians so they must learn and you no need to learn yourself?
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 06:25 PM)
Indonesia also is a multi lingual countries. There so many spoken language there but their official language is Bahasa Indonesia. Everyone must be able to speak Bahasa Indonesia. Almost 30 languages I check below

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Same also in USA, got asian, pinoy, Mexican and hundred other cultures but their official language is English. Every must be able to speak English if you live in USA

Tongsan also the same, many dielect but official one is Mandarin. Everyone must know Mandarin if you live in China.

If you live in Malaysia you must at least be able to converse in BM. That is basic requirements. Other languages is extra points if you know them

This true, basic conservation is enough. But please respect the official language where are you staying, in this case basic BM conservation
You think you can say "rahmatullah" in wrong context you are good in BM. Man your argument have no substance, shouting other people racist is the only good thing you can do then I'm sad for you.
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But the point is in those countries nobody is spreading the propaganda that someone that don't speak the national language should be sent back to their country. Lol puhlease la, racist just say racist. Keep want want to find reason to uphold own racial supremacist. Especially not towards another group of people that has been here way before the country is foem

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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 06:21 PM)
Very immature reply he’s not an extremist the other idiots might be. I’m not malay but can you not see the importance of knowing the National language? Forget about other issues look at this in isolation. How is it ok for Malaysians not to be able to speak BM?
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Another extremist joining in the fray.

Can you extremist ensure each and every Malay students passing the bahasa exams before trying to jaga tepi kain orang?


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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 06:34 PM)
That also wrong
Selamat is for greeting. You don't say selamat + negative word

"Sila meninggal" is the right phrase that you are looking for. Thanks me later

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Thanks for correcting me . By the way I am from Malay school and hate you guys stereotyping. And whatever you trying to achieve using racist stereotyping won't work. You just make us hate you more.
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 19 2020, 06:36 PM)
But the point is in those countries nobody is spreading the propaganda that someone that don't speak the national language should be sent back to their country. Lol  puhlease la, racist just say racist. Keep want want to find reason to uphold own racial supremacist.
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Lol man if you migrate to aussie and can't speak English you will be deported

If you seek asylum also must learn the country national language before they can accept you as one of them

This is fact
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 06:42 PM)
Lol man if you migrate to aussie and can't speak English you will be deported

If you seek asylum also must learn the country national language before they can accept you as one of them

This is fact
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That is for immigrants. For blue IC holders like me, I applied for my kid's birthcert at 2 weeks old and it already says Malaysian. No language proficiency test was required.
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 06:21 PM)
Very immature reply he’s not an extremist the other idiots might be. I’m not malay but can you not see the importance of knowing the National language? Forget about other issues look at this in isolation. How is it ok for Malaysians not to be able to speak BM?
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Thank you for standing up for me. I don’t know how advocating national language is considered extremist. But coming from extremist in my ignore list, I don’t have to think much. Extremist have tunnel vision, you can’t have a proper debate/discussion with an extremist.

QUOTE(patt_sue @ Jan 19 2020, 06:23 PM)
Our national language is the Malay Language - article 152
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This is what i am trying to advocate.

QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:26 PM)
Sorry if it offend you but you need to understand why I agree to it. You read what was written earlier? He want to wipe us out. Do you agree with wiping us out?
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Was that him? I think it was someone else because i did report that post laugh.gif

QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 06:35 PM)
You know arab, hangukeyo, deutsch, good for you. You have my respect for such knowledge, truly. But again, why not mandarin/cantonese/hokkien/etc or tamil to be able to speak with your brethren if they dunno how to speak yours? Because its a 1 way street, they must know bahasa "kebangsaan" to communicate with you and no need you know their language? And call them not patriotic/not deserving to be called Malaysians so they must learn and you no need to learn yourself?
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Like i said, i expect malaysian to be able to speak BM.

And i did try to learn cantonese from TV, but halfway through, they dubbed all hong kong drama into mandarin. So being a malay and muslim i was easily confused and drop my intention to learn cantonese altogether.

Glad i did not learn anyway, my ex boss who was a kelantanese said people in kelantan speak hokkien, that’s why he speak english with other cina here.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 03:36 PM)
Adakah fasih BM dpt Status kelas pertama diskaun dan ketuanan?
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Article 160 (“Interpretation”) of the Federal Constitution defines the term “Malay” in the following manner:

“Malay” means a person who professes the religion of Islam, habitually speaks the Malay language, conforms to Malay custom.
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 06:42 PM)
Lol man if you migrate to aussie and can't speak English you will be deported

If you seek asylum also must learn the country national language before they can accept you as one of them

This is fact
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If I migrate and I get in legally. No not speaking English won't suddenly get me deported la.

Here's my point exactly. Chinese are not immigrants or some group of people that is at Malay people mercy for their citizenship.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:45 PM)

Was that him? I think it was someone else because i did report that post laugh.gif

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That was him la. We don't purposely say that. Normally we don't racist. We know our place in Malaysia. You think we are stupid meh.
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That was him la. We don't purposely say that. Normally we don't racist. We know our place in Malaysia. You think we are stupid meh.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:45 PM)

Like i said, i expect malaysian to be able to speak BM.

And i did try to learn cantonese from TV, but halfway through, they dubbed all hong kong drama into mandarin. So being a malay and muslim i was easily confused and drop my intention to learn cantonese altogether.

Glad i did not learn anyway, my ex boss who was a kelantanese said people in kelantan speak hokkien, that’s why he speak english with other cina here.
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Yes, Malaysians should be able to speak bm, I agree with you. But is it a serious crime if some of them don't? Like I said earlier:
QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 06:29 PM)
It is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started? Please tell me, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

And hence my question back at them - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society?
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 06:29 PM)
It is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started? Please tell me, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

And hence my question back at them - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society?
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I can speak English, Malay and Hokkien fluently. I also speak Thai and Vietnamese well enough to get by. Is that ok for you?

Why are you comparing tax cheats and other non related issues to the ability to speak BM? It’s totally unrelated. You might as well say because some people murder therefore it’s ok for me to rape. It’s completely illogical.

Being able to speak BM makes us Malaysian. Other things matter as well but this thread is about BM. No need to go off topic.
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Ya, just realized the tatabahasa there is tidak tepat doh.gif blush.gif sweat.gif

QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:21 PM)
You have understandable BM, good enough for you to start a conversation. Good enough for you to develop conversational BM over the time.

And it should be terangkan. Please explain, not please explaining.
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I try to bersembang and berborak with as many Malays as I can in bahasa kebangsaan whenever I am back in KL.

Unfortunately, sering dijawab balik dalam bahasa penjajah... shakehead.gif blink.gif

Macam ini, its a no wonder my tahap BM merosot dan mengarat secara mendadak! Especially after I went overseas to study / work.

Which is a shame, because I used to be able to even mengarang surat rasmi kepada jabatan kerajaan back in my legal days sad.gif

My vokabulari has gone down. My tatabahasa has masuk tong sampah. So many aspects telah dibuang ke dalam longkang. The lack of good BM books to read, good BM forums to browse, good BM newspapers to read, nice BM movies and documentaries to watch is not helping things.

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He mean if you can say like I corrected your BM is superb
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:37 PM)
Thanks for correcting me . By the way I am from Malay school and hate you guys stereotyping. And whatever you trying to achieve using racist stereotyping won't work. You just make us hate you more.
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You are always welcome. I don't stereotype anyone or group. I only say based on my observation and experience. If you read back my comments from the beginning I say some of Chinese people I met are really good at BM and it make feel ease

But some of them who can't speak it all make me worried. I never said all Chinese can't speak. You start to point me saying I'm racing when I say all Indian will probably pass the test. That also from my observation, almost all Indian I met can speak BM in conversation that I think they can answer the question in the interview. Forget the stereotype and make your own observation. From there you can form your own opinion
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 06:21 PM)
Very immature reply he’s not an extremist the other idiots might be. I’m not malay but can you not see the importance of knowing the National language? Forget about other issues look at this in isolation. How is it ok for Malaysians not to be able to speak BM?
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Don't mind him. He's an extremist himself and ignored a lot of people who don't align with his extremist view kek
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 06:54 PM)
I can speak English, Malay and Hokkien fluently. I also speak Thai and Vietnamese well enough to get by. Is that ok for you?

Why are you comparing tax cheats and other non related issues to the ability to speak BM? It’s totally unrelated. You might as well say because some people murder therefore it’s ok for me to rape. It’s completely illogical.

Being able to speak BM makes us Malaysian. Other things matter as well but this thread is about BM. No need to go off topic.
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I'm just showing you the stupidity of such "if you don't know bm you are not patriotic and don't deserve to be called malaysian" mindset.

Hence my question, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?
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I am sorry if you’re not that kind of person. It just seeing you agreeing with the bolded statement kind of offend me because i was born being one of them.

I am not a fan of stereotyping.
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I try not to stereotype if possible, but the way that big-balls chap posted his stuff did set off a trigger or two in me.

Plus the Malaysian political scene, all the R&R hyping, and all the nonsense I read on Facebook does not help improve my mindset.

Also, on the internet, you can put on an internet persona. In real life, who knows... maybe it is the real person that comes out, not the other way round.....
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pundek la aku pun fasih Melayu. so? dpt what?
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:56 PM)
Don't mind him. He's an extremist himself and ignored a lot of people who don't align with his extremist view kek
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Typical extremist dupes everywhere.

Asyik jaga tepi kain orang, why not care your own business?

Can you just stay ignored?

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:51 PM)
IINM it was big balls johnson.
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 19 2020, 06:59 PM)
Typical extremist dupes everywhere.

Asyik jaga tepi kain orang, why not care your own business?

Can you just stay ignored?
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I thought you told me you aren't gonna reply to me and ignore me? Just stay that way. Keep thinking that way and one day you will get what you want.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 06:45 PM)
That is for immigrants. For blue IC holders like me, I applied for my kid's birthcert at 2 weeks old and it already says Malaysian. No language proficiency test was required.
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Of course she is baby. Then when she grows older and can't speak BM then it's not fine.

QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 19 2020, 06:46 PM)
If I migrate and I get in legally. No not speaking English won't suddenly get me deported la.

Here's my point exactly. Chinese are not immigrants or some group of people that is at Malay people mercy for their citizenship.
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Yes that's correct and I agree with your point and that one
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Let me put all this national language into another perspective.

Ok, so we all know the Bunga Raya is our national flower.
So, 70years old AhChong has been planting chrysanthemum flower since forever, he don't know got to plant Bunga Raya, never feels there's a need to and just get by everyday until now. 25years old AhMeng plant rose since he was born, same like AhChong hes happy and live just fine.

Suddenly wtf, this whole group of people come in and demand AhChong and AhMeng to plant Bunga Raya, you no plant Bunga Raya you disrespect country please remove citizenship, please get the fuck off Malaysia.

AhChong times from times will start to plant Bunga Raya, out of necessity to mingle with those who plant Bunga Raya but because he never plant so those baby Bunga Raya always die, and oh my god all this Bunga Raya enthusiast cannot accept how someone live in Malaysia can Donny how plant Bunga Raya.

Lol. You see how crazy all this is?
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 07:06 PM)
Of course she is baby. Then when she grows older and can't speak BM then it's not fine.

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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 07:06 PM)
Of course she is baby. Then when she grows older and can't speak BM then it's not fine.
Yes that's correct and I agree with your point and that one
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Yeap, I understand how most want to feel their language or culture is the best and want everyone to adopt their lifestyle. But sometimes, if people are not actively going out to disrespect your language/culture why bother people?


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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 06:57 PM)
I'm just showing you the stupidity of such "if you don't know bm you are not patriotic and don't deserve to be called malaysian" mindset.

Hence my question, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?
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Try living in any country and calling yourself a citizen of that country who can’t speak the language. A Chinese citizen who can’t speak mandarin would get the same response as a Malaysian who can’t speak BM.

Obviously a criminal is worse than a non criminal but we are talking about Malaysian identity. Whether you commit crimes or not is not relevant to being Malaysian. Language is. I think we shouldn’t allow IS members to come back to Malaysia but again that has nothing to do with speaking BM. It’s not like you will lose your passport if you don’t speak BM but I do think it makes you less Malaysian then if you could speak.
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The real problem is the morons who ruined our education system and forced us into vernacular and international kids. I have children now I don’t want to send them to vernacular but I can’t send them to SK either so have to send to international. 20k a year for what? Because of race and religion in schools.
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But still Malaysian citizen  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 19 2020, 07:09 PM)
Yeap, I understand how most want to feel their language or culture is the best and want everyone to adopt their lifestyle. But sometimes, if people are not actively going out to disrespect your language/culture why bother people?
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You guys can read mitun comments above. He wrote and express it better than I can
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Inb4 Singaporean all excel in English but most doesn't know their national language.
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 07:10 PM)
Try living in any country and calling yourself a citizen of that country who can’t speak the language. A Chinese citizen who can’t speak mandarin would get the same response as a Malaysian who can’t speak BM.

Obviously a criminal is worse than a non criminal but we are talking about Malaysian identity. Whether you commit crimes or not is not relevant to being Malaysian. Language is. I think we shouldn’t allow IS members to come back to Malaysia but again that has nothing to do with speaking BM. It’s not like you will lose your passport if you don’t speak BM but I do think it makes you less Malaysian then if you could speak.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 05:45 PM)
Coz malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like china, japan, korea etc. My question is simple, have you learned other languages to fit in as a citizen of a multicultural multiracial society? Or are you going to refuse to learn and just hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"?
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 07:10 PM)
Try living in any country and calling yourself a citizen of that country who can’t speak the language. A Chinese citizen who can’t speak mandarin would get the same response as a Malaysian who can’t speak BM.

Obviously a criminal is worse than a non criminal but we are talking about Malaysian identity. Whether you commit crimes or not is not relevant to being Malaysian. Language is. I think we shouldn’t allow IS members to come back to Malaysia but again that has nothing to do with speaking BM. It’s not like you will lose your passport if you don’t speak BM but I do think it makes you less Malaysian then if you could speak.
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Urmm no. Non mandarin speaking Chinese people is everywhere. If you're in china and you look Chinese and can't speak mandarin, yes they will get weird response not because of racism or think that mandarin is great, but just because it's not ordinary for them. To them theyve known every single Chinese in their live that can speak mandarin, so they just feels surprised.


Not speaking Malay doesn't make me any less Malaysian than you. One thing that's eeky to me is forced patriotism. How about those that don't like nasi lemak? Those that don't celebrate Hari kebangsaan? It's not you or anyone call to bring down another person as lesser just because he has different priority.

If you tell someone to speak your language or get out or call them lesser of a human than you, then anyone with a proper upbringing is going to tell you off and call you a racist.

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You guys can read mitun comments above. He wrote and express it better than I can
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Again, like I said earlier:
QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 06:29 PM)
It is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started? Please tell me, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

And hence my question back at them - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society?
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 07:12 PM)
The real problem is the morons who ruined our education system and forced us into vernacular and international kids. I have children now I don’t want to send them to vernacular but I can’t send them to SK either so have to send to international. 20k a year for what? Because of race and religion in schools.
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This one I completely agree. Feel bad for you for not having good alternative. Anyway vernacular and private are still teaching BM. If it inadequate then can always learn from outside by mixing with others more. If got effort it can always be done
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As per what I wrote earlier replying to another forumer:
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tongsan boleh dapat negara sendiri
neepornjin boleh dapat negara sendiri
Britain boleh dapat negara sendiri
france boleh dapat negara sendiri

then new immigrants cum and they becum Brits and french
but over here cannot.
mati mati mau jadi tongsan juga
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As per what I wrote earlier replying to another forumer:
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Plot twist, there’s Chinese who can’t speak mandarin in tongsan.
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As per what I wrote earlier replying to another forumer:
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Most countries are multiracial. How do you get people of various races and religions to interact with one another? Starts with language doesnt it? If we can’t even speak to one another then we are royally fxxked.

Look at what China is doing in Xinjiang. That’s what happens when you fail to integrate.
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Plot twist, there’s Chinese who can’t speak mandarin in tongsan.
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Plot twist, they end up in concentration camps where they learn it.
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 07:21 PM)
Most countries are multiracial. How do you get people of various races and religions to interact with one another? Starts with language doesnt it? If we can’t even speak to one another then we are royally fxxked.

Look at what China is doing in Xinjiang. That’s what happens when you fail to integrate.
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Correct, I agree with you.

So why must it be 1 way street? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?
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Again, like I said earlier:
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lol
tongsan boleh dapat negara sendiri
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Britain boleh dapat negara sendiri
france boleh dapat negara sendiri

then new immigrants cum and they becum Brits and french
but over here cannot.
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 07:27 PM)
See mitun post #197 give a perfect reply to your question. It's not a mutually exclusive event
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And read my reply at 201, which he replied at 208 and answered by me in 210.
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Urmm no. Non mandarin speaking Chinese people is everywhere. If you're in china and you look Chinese and can't speak mandarin, yes they will get weird response not because of racism or think that mandarin is great, but just because it's not ordinary for them. To them theyve known every single Chinese in their live that can speak mandarin, so they just feels surprised.
Not speaking Malay doesn't make me any less Malaysian than you. One thing that's eeky to me is forced patriotism. How about those that don't like nasi lemak? Those that don't celebrate Hari kebangsaan? It's not you or anyone call to bring down another person as lesser just because he has different priority.

If you tell someone to speak your language or get out or call them lesser of a human than you, then anyone with a proper upbringing is going to tell you off and call you a racist.
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Look at any western country. If you want to be a citizen you are expected to know the language. They criticize people who can’t speak the local language. Try calling yourself French and living in France while not being able to speak French. Why would Malaysia be any different?

I can’t believe there are actually people who think it’s ok for Malaysians not to be able to speak BM. How do you expect to communicate with your fellow citizens? I can only imagine the racist Malay bloggers like papamo love people like you who reinforce the stereotype about us.
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Try living in any country and calling yourself a citizen of that country who can’t speak the language. A Chinese citizen who can’t speak mandarin would get the same response as a Malaysian who can’t speak BM.

Obviously a criminal is worse than a non criminal but we are talking about Malaysian identity. Whether you commit crimes or not is not relevant to being Malaysian. Language is. I think we shouldn’t allow IS members to come back to Malaysia but again that has nothing to do with speaking BM. It’s not like you will lose your passport if you don’t speak BM but I do think it makes you less Malaysian then if you could speak.
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Inb4 Singaporean all excel in English but most doesn't know their national language.
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Look at any western country. If you want to be a citizen you are expected to know the language. They criticize people who can’t speak the local language. Try calling yourself French and living in France while not being able to speak French. Why would Malaysia be any different?

I can’t believe there are actually people who think it’s ok for Malaysians not to be able to speak BM. How do you expect to communicate with your fellow citizens? I can only imagine the racist Malay bloggers like papamo love people like you who reinforce the stereotype about us.
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Malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like tongsan nihonjin britain or france.

Also, throw it back at those papagomo's - What other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?

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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 19 2020, 06:54 PM)
Ya, just realized the tatabahasa there is tidak tepat  doh.gif  blush.gif  sweat.gif
I try to bersembang and berborak with as many Malays as I can in bahasa kebangsaan whenever I am back in KL.

Unfortunately, sering dijawab balik dalam bahasa penjajah...  shakehead.gif  blink.gif

Macam ini, its a no wonder my tahap BM merosot dan mengarat secara mendadak! Especially after I went overseas to study / work.

Which is a shame, because I used to be able to even mengarang surat rasmi kepada jabatan kerajaan back in my legal days  sad.gif

My vokabulari has gone down. My tatabahasa has masuk tong sampah. So many aspects telah dibuang ke dalam longkang. The lack of good BM books to read, good BM forums to browse, good BM newspapers to read, nice BM movies and documentaries to watch is not helping things.
Yeah, I know. I was just joking about his example of pandangan and its various iterations.
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Well. For language you definitely need to practice. Since you’re not in Malaysia anymore, it is normal for you BM to deteriorate, unless you mix with BM speaking people in where you live.

QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 19 2020, 06:57 PM)
I try not to stereotype if possible, but the way that big-balls chap posted his stuff did set off a trigger or two in me.

Plus the Malaysian political scene, all the R&R hyping, and all the nonsense I read on Facebook does not help improve my mindset.

Also, on the internet, you can put on an internet persona. In real life, who knows... maybe it is the real person that comes out, not the other way round.....
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 07:12 PM)
The real problem is the morons who ruined our education system and forced us into vernacular and international kids. I have children now I don’t want to send them to vernacular but I can’t send them to SK either so have to send to international. 20k a year for what? Because of race and religion in schools.
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soal orang kelantan untuk cakap bahasa melayu standard
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Most countries are multiracial. How do you get people of various races and religions to interact with one another? Starts with language doesnt it? If we can’t even speak to one another then we are royally fxxked.

Look at what China is doing in Xinjiang. That’s what happens when you fail to integrate.
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Ironically mandarin was introduced in Malaysia to unite dialect speaking chinese.
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Yes, Malaysians should be able to speak bm, I agree with you. But is it a serious crime if some of them don't? Like I said earlier:
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It’s not a serious crime, it is just.. pelik. How can you learn a language for 13 years and not able to master it? rclxub.gif

Even my arab which i learned formally for 3 years are better than the BM of some of them in the video.
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Inb4 Singaporean all excel in English but most doesn't know their national language.
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Correct, I agree with you.

So why must it be 1 way street? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?
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The minority has to confirm to the majority that’s how it works. I don’t see the majority of white Americans having to learn Spanish to accommodate to the large Hispanic community. It’s not only Malaysia that has this issue you know.

Like I said try going to France or the UK or the US and demand that they learn minority languages. Why would Malaysia be any different? Ideally everyone would speak BM/English/Chinese then we wouldn’t have these problems but until then we have to make do with BM.


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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 19 2020, 06:54 PM)
Ya, just realized the tatabahasa there is tidak tepat  doh.gif  blush.gif  sweat.gif
I try to bersembang and berborak with as many Malays as I can in bahasa kebangsaan whenever I am back in KL.

Unfortunately, sering dijawab balik dalam bahasa penjajah...  shakehead.gif  blink.gif

Macam ini, its a no wonder my tahap BM merosot dan mengarat secara mendadak! Especially after I went overseas to study / work.

Which is a shame, because I used to be able to even mengarang surat rasmi kepada jabatan kerajaan back in my legal days  sad.gif

My vokabulari has gone down. My tatabahasa has masuk tong sampah. So many aspects telah dibuang ke dalam longkang. The lack of good BM books to read, good BM forums to browse, good BM newspapers to read, nice BM movies and documentaries to watch is not helping things.
Yeah, I know. I was just joking about his example of pandangan and its various iterations.
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I do admit this is part of the problem. Actually, there are efforts to translate knowledge into BM (I tried before, stalled for now biggrin.gif) so that locals who don't understand much in English, and those who want to know stuff in BM can learn. I do wish we have a proper BM forum without all the confusing language and slang, much like lowyat with skema english laugh.gif
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 07:38 PM)
It’s not a serious crime, it is just.. pelik. How can you learn a language for 13 years and not able to master it? rclxub.gif

Even my arab which i learned formally for 3 years are better than the BM of some of them in the video.
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Fair enough, I also find it pelik why some ppl are proud of the fact they don't want to learn nor understand bm. But its their choice. Doesn't impact me whatsoever in any ways if they dunno bm as long as they are decent human beings. Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language means you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started?

Hence my question back to them, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

Also my next question back to them - living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation like Malaysia - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?


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Most of their salesperson in shopping mall can speak their national language fluently.
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And most of their professional doesn't speak their national language.

See the correlation? laugh.gif
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The minority has to confirm to the majority that’s how it works. I don’t see the majority of white Americans having to learn Spanish to accommodate to the large Hispanic community. It’s not only Malaysia that has this issue you know.

Like I said try going to France or the UK or the US and demand that they learn minority languages. Why would Malaysia be any different? Ideally everyone would speak BM/English/Chinese then we wouldn’t have these problems but until then we have to make do with BM.
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Like I said, Malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like tongsan nihonjin britain or france.

But ahaaa finally its clear... so its not about multiracial multicultural multireligious. Its about minority has to confirm to the majority. Ok got it, noted

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I do admit this is part of the problem. Actually, there are efforts to translate knowledge into BM (I tried before, stalled for now  biggrin.gif) so that locals who don't understand much in English, and those who want to know stuff in BM can learn. I do wish we have a proper BM forum without all the confusing language and slang, much like lowyat with skema english laugh.gif
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Maybe we can propose a subsection in /kopitiam that uses purely proper BM, well to help malaysian to master the national language. At least the writing part.

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Maybe we can propose a subsection in /kopitiam that uses purely proper BM, well to help malaysian to master the national language. At least the writing part.

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Good idea to propose in feedback and helpdesk. At least I have one subforum I can contribute to nod.gif
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Fair enough, I also find it pelik why some ppl are proud of the fact they don't want to learn nor understand bm. But its their choice. Doesn't impact me whatsoever in any ways if they dunno bm as long as they are decent human beings. Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language means you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started?

Hence my question back to them, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

Also my next question back to them - living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation like Malaysia - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?
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Of course the former. But what are you trying to imply here? BM speaking people are mostly criminal? hmm.gif

I already answered your question. I advocate bahasa kebangsaan and expect everyone to be able to communicate in that language. I use my time better to learn languages that are useful to me rather than learning language that has no use just to prove that i am multiracial.
QUOTE(nuvi @ Jan 19 2020, 07:47 PM)
And most of their professional doesn't speak their national language.

See the correlation? laugh.gif
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Most professional i met are either hongkies, PRC or Malaysian, and ironically most malaysian who went there can speak proper BM sweat.gif
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Most professional i met are either hongkies, PRC or Malaysian, and ironically most malaysian who went there can speak proper BM sweat.gif
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I thought I'm talking about Singaporean
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lol
tongsan boleh dapat negara sendiri
neepornjin boleh dapat negara sendiri
Britain boleh dapat negara sendiri
france boleh dapat negara sendiri

then new immigrants cum and they becum Brits and french
but over here cannot.
mati mati mau jadi tongsan juga
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Malaysia also dapat negara sendiri what.
Over here all Malaysian is Malaysian.
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Of course the former. But what are you trying to imply here? BM speaking people are mostly criminal? hmm.gif

I already answered your question. I advocate bahasa kebangsaan and expect everyone to be able to communicate in that language. I use my time better to learn languages that are useful to me rather than learning language that has no use just to prove that i am multiracial.

Most professional i met are either hongkies, PRC or Malaysian, and ironically most malaysian who went there can speak proper BM sweat.gif
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No, I'm just pointing out the stupidity of such "if you don't know bm means you are not patriotic and don't deserve to be called malaysian" mindset.

Sure, I also expect all malaysians to be able to communicate in bahasa kebangsaan. But if they don't, I also wont call them non patriotic and don't deserve to be called malaysians.
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Lolz, Took him 12 pages? 12 PAGES to understand that the minority has to confirm to the majority. Clearly "BODO" laa this one.

Also "Bahasa Melayu is "THE MOST SPOKEN LANGUAGE in Malaysia. So It makes sense to learn it to interact with other races.

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Cannot speak BM properly? And you have live here for so long?

Now compare to Indon or Banggala can speak at least proper BM after few MONTHS of stay.

What is your excuse?

Tak suka, sila keluar.

Then later after 10 years, don’t come back, saying Malaysia is 1000x better than the country i have migrated to.
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Good idea to propose in feedback and helpdesk. At least I have one subforum I can contribute to  nod.gif
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Also include jawi in that too. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Jan 19 2020, 08:10 PM)
Also include jawi in that too.  biggrin.gif
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wow.. wow.. primary level BM also fail. this is what we called country in a country.
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So BN failed to unite everyone after 60 years in power? what they doing then?
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wow.. wow.. primary level BM also fail. this is what we called country in a country.
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 07:31 PM)
Look at any western country. If you want to be a citizen you are expected to know the language. They criticize people who can’t speak the local language. Try calling yourself French and living in France while not being able to speak French. Why would Malaysia be any different?

I can’t believe there are actually people who think it’s ok for Malaysians not to be able to speak BM. How do you expect to communicate with your fellow citizens? I can only imagine the racist Malay bloggers like papamo love people like you who reinforce the stereotype about us.
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Yes there will people criticize but who are these people? Backwood rednecks racists with crazy nationalistic pride. Any decent people are going to call them out.

Now bring back to Malaysia, Chinese are not immigrants trying to apply for citizenship or temporary living in Malaysia. If cannot communicate why are they doing just fine? Communication is a 2 way street la.
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Cannot speak BM properly? And you have live here for so long?

Now compare to Indon or Banggala can speak at least proper BM after few MONTHS of stay.

What is your excuse?

Tak suka, sila keluar.

Then later after 10 years, don’t come back, saying Malaysia is 1000x better than the country i have migrated to.
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Jan 19 2020, 08:10 PM)
Cannot speak BM properly? And you have live here for so long?

Now compare to Indon or Banggala can speak at least proper BM after few MONTHS of stay.

What is your excuse?

Tak suka, sila keluar.

Then later after 10 years, don’t come back, saying Malaysia is 1000x better than the country i have migrated to.
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Well. For language you definitely need to practice. Since you’re not in Malaysia anymore, it is normal for you BM to deteriorate, unless you mix with BM speaking people in where you live.
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I do admit this is part of the problem. Actually, there are efforts to translate knowledge into BM (I tried before, stalled for now  biggrin.gif) so that locals who don't understand much in English, and those who want to know stuff in BM can learn. I do wish we have a proper BM forum without all the confusing language and slang, much like lowyat with skema english laugh.gif
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I try to do "maintenance work" on my Bahasa on a fairly regular basis by looking for books to buy and read every time I am back in Malaysia.

Tried to make it a point to read one Bahasa book every two months, but nowadays, it is more like one book every six months.... doh.gif

Even in Hong Kong, I have several small books to keep me company, and a couple of "school level" reference books that I enjoy browsing through every now and then to put a knife sharpening rod to my makin lama makin teruk Bahasa levels....

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I have several more Bahasa books and novels back in Malaysia that I have to lug over to HK next time I am back.
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 07:31 PM)
Look at any western country. If you want to be a citizen you are expected to know the language. They criticize people who can’t speak the local language. Try calling yourself French and living in France while not being able to speak French. Why would Malaysia be any different?

I can’t believe there are actually people who think it’s ok for Malaysians not to be able to speak BM. How do you expect to communicate with your fellow citizens? I can only imagine the racist Malay bloggers like papamo love people like you who reinforce the stereotype about us.
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US white people cool je no official language, protek minorities some more.

Only insecure people make noise about it.



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The minority has to confirm to the majority that’s how it works. I don’t see the majority of white Americans having to learn Spanish to accommodate to the large Hispanic community. It’s not only Malaysia that has this issue you know.

Like I said try going to France or the UK or the US and demand that they learn minority languages. Why would Malaysia be any different? Ideally everyone would speak BM/English/Chinese then we wouldn’t have these problems but until then we have to make do with BM.
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instead of bashing around, what is ur solution to the current situation?

U will see ppl keep on bashing here instead of giving proper solution.
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Yes there will people criticize but who are these people? Backwood rednecks racists with crazy nationalistic pride. Any decent people are going to call them out.

Now bring back to Malaysia, Chinese are not immigrants trying to apply for citizenship or temporary living in Malaysia. If cannot communicate why are they doing just fine? Communication is a 2 way street la.
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Can you give me an example of a serious political leader who will defend a citizen not being able to speak the national language?

What do you mean by a 2 way street? What language do you expect the government and civil service to speak? How do you even survive in Malaysia going to government offices without being able to speak the national language?
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I try to do "maintenance work" on my Bahasa on a fairly regular basis by looking for books to buy and read every time I am back in Malaysia.

Tried to make it a point to read one Bahasa book every two months, but nowadays, it is more like one book every six months....  doh.gif

Even in Hong Kong, I have several small books to keep me company, and a couple of "school level" reference books that I enjoy browsing through every now and then to put a knife sharpening rod to my makin lama makin teruk Bahasa levels....

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I have several more Bahasa books and novels back in Malaysia that I have to lug over to HK next time I am back.
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Reading is so effective to improve but I think if you don't have much time to read the books, the easier way is just to speak and communicate using the said language with native speakers. The fact that you actually have effort to keep BM skills sharp eventhough it's probably not much of a use since you always traveling overseas should be a good example to people smile.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 07:49 PM)
Like I said, Malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like tongsan nihonjin britain or france.

But ahaaa finally its clear... so its not about multiracial multicultural multireligious. Its about minority has to confirm to the majority. Ok got it, noted
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Lolz, Took him 12 pages? 12 PAGES to understand that the minority has to confirm to the majority. Clearly "BODO" laa this one.

Also "Bahasa Melayu is "THE MOST SPOKEN LANGUAGE in Malaysia. So It makes sense to learn it to interact with other races.
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Saying must follow majority is not always true. It actually depends on the lingua Franca of that place.

Some countries don't have national language like in India. It become a mess till their citizens need to to communicate using English with each other, even more foreign language. Attempt to make Hindi, language with highest majority speaker a national language resulting to a huge protest from other states that don't speak Hindi. This also happen in Singapore, tho they adopt English as their main language and accepted Singlish as their new hybrid language lingua franca.

Some other countries have minority language as their national language. Eg. Pakistan national language is urdu despite Punjabi is the majority speakers with 45% while Urdu native speaker only 8%. However Urdu become their national language. Same with Indonesia that use Bahasa Indonesia which is a malayic language as the national language despite javanese is the majority race with 30%. Malayic root language native speaker was only less than 10% of the population. If you look at population clearly javanese followed by maduric and sundanese have more native speaker than malayic like minagkabau, Palembang and Banjar. Why? This is because they are following lingua Franca at their place. In South East asia, malayic language has been lingua Franca since long time ago so the current government just adopt it as it is the language that most people understand despite not being spoken by majority.

Our government the newly formed tanah Melayu and later Malaysia also inherit this malayic root language and standardize it to make BM. So here we are with BM as the national language. Not necessarily because it is language of the majority but because it is the lingua franca in this arcipelago since ages ago. We simply inherit it from out ancestors lingua franca
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Can you give me an example of a serious political leader who will defend a citizen not being able to speak the national language?

What do you mean by a 2 way street? What language do you expect the government and civil service to speak? How do you even survive in Malaysia going to government offices without being able to speak the national language?
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we have our own AG that cant speak malay?
but why are now taking ethics example from politicians? lol. i dont think any sane politician is gonna come out and say its ok as they want the majority vote.

communication is a two way street as in you cannot expect one party just say say say, if cannot survive then whats the issue, people will do whatever to survive? but the fact is many malaysian survive just as well without knowing malay.
same like how people say how can anyone survive without knowing english, but we have so many people surviving just as well.

maybe put aside the nationalist pride, and just treat everyone as equal and not be dick just because someone is different as you. everyone is going to have different language proficiency and culture, yes the country can set one as a national standard but not everyone is going to be following that standard and its ok. no need to view some group of people as lesser or second class la.

i dont think anyone here is against learning malay or picking it up, what some of us here are against the negativity and hostility towards those that do not speak the language.



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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 08:33 PM)
Can you give me an example of a serious political leader who will defend a citizen not being able to speak the national language?

What do you mean by a 2 way street? What language do you expect the government and civil service to speak? How do you even survive in Malaysia going to government offices without being able to speak the national language?
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The Chinese already migrated here since the 1800s, if most of them cannot speak Bahasa at all then how do they survived here until this very day in 2020?

And if you and your extremist kind still wanna cherry pick to insist each and every Chinese here to be able to speak Bahasa well, then as I had said before; please ensure each Malay boys and girls to pass the Bahasa exams in schools first.

Malu tu dibawa diri sendiri. Hormat pula diberikan oleh orang.
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we have our own AG that cant speak malay?
but why are now taking ethics example from politicians? lol. i dont think any sane politician is gonna come out and say its ok as they want the majority vote.

communication is a two way street as in you cannot expect one party just say say say, if cannot survive then whats the issue, people will do whatever to survive? but the fact is many malaysian survive just as well without knowing malay.
same like how people say how can anyone survive without knowing english, but we have so many people surviving just as well.
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AG not being able to speak BM is a disgrace if you ask me. Then again I don’t think he can’t speak more like he’s out of practice.

Let me ask you then do you think it’s fine not to have a National language and everyone just speak whatever they want? No need for you to be able to communicate with your fellow citizens in a common language?
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QUOTE(nuvi @ Jan 19 2020, 08:05 PM)
Malaysia also dapat negara sendiri what.
Over here all Malaysian is Malaysian.
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they speak tongsan national language and then belip in CCP propoganda that tongsan national language is their mother tongues.

they learn 5,000 characters tongsan writting but Don't Wanna learn 3 page of Malaysian alphabet


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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 08:45 PM)
AG not being able to speak BM is a disgrace if you ask me. Then again I don’t think he can’t speak more like he’s out of practice.

Let me ask you then do you think it’s fine not to have a National language and everyone just speak whatever they want? No need for you to be able to communicate with your fellow citizens in a common language?
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your racial/nationalist pride is showing again. lets put aside all the legality and stuffs, and view this from a neutral viewpoint.

then why cant malays pickup mandarin too if communication with fellow citizen is your main concern? majority of chinese people can speak malay, but can we say the same about majority of malays speaking mandarin?

if the need to speak similar language is such a compulsory needs then how do people go travel to overseas to other places with their own languages? this is global world d, no need everyone need to speak same language.

i dont speak a word of mandarin, i deal with many many chinese people that speak mandarin and cant speak any english. we are in the same field of business and expertise. im not going to undermine their expertise or knowledge just because they cannot speak the standard language of our field that is English. yes its annoying and sometimes give me more work, but its just that a minor nuisance hardly somethign that need me to view others as lesser.

sometimes i wonder what goes through people head when they held themself so high up and view others that is different as lesser. not saying you per se. just thinking out loud.


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QUOTE(nuvi @ Jan 19 2020, 08:02 PM)
I thought I'm talking about Singaporean
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I am talking about professionals i met in singapore. Only one singaporean, and his BM was good.

QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 08:05 PM)
No, I'm just pointing out the stupidity of such "if you don't know bm means you are not patriotic and don't deserve to be called malaysian" mindset.

Sure, I also expect all malaysians to be able to communicate in bahasa kebangsaan. But if they don't, I also wont call them non patriotic and don't deserve to be called malaysians.
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 19 2020, 08:43 PM)
we have our own AG that cant speak malay?
but why are now taking ethics example from politicians? lol. i dont think any sane politician is gonna come out and say its ok as they want the majority vote.

communication is a two way street as in you cannot expect one party just say say say, if cannot survive then whats the issue, people will do whatever to survive? but the fact is many malaysian survive just as well without knowing malay.
same like how people say how can anyone survive without knowing english, but we have so many people surviving just as well.

maybe put aside the nationalist pride, and just treat everyone as equal and not be dick just because someone is different as you. everyone is going to have different language proficiency and culture, yes the country can set one as a national standard but not everyone is going to be following that standard and its ok. no need to view some group of people as lesser or second class la.

i dont think anyone here is against learning malay or picking it up, what some of us here are against the negativity and hostility towards those that do not speak the language.
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AG not being able to speak BM is a disgrace if you ask me. Then again I don’t think he can’t speak more like he’s out of practice.

Let me ask you then do you think it’s fine not to have a National language and everyone just speak whatever they want? No need for you to be able to communicate with your fellow citizens in a common language?
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Can you both stop this kind of fake news that our AG cannot speak Malay?

Watch this video of his speech in Malay; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeeFwesIFBY

This is the kind of fake news spreading by similarly saying that Chinese cannot speaks Malay.

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yeap unpatriotic is right, a good word thats neutral. and its ok. not everyone need to be patriotic, you can try to instill it but forcing it just feels kinda eeky.

but sometimes cant blame them, sometimes its not that they hate the country but language is something that you need to practice and use daily. and they dont have the chance to use it.

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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 19 2020, 09:25 PM)
I try to do "maintenance work" on my Bahasa on a fairly regular basis by looking for books to buy and read every time I am back in Malaysia.

Tried to make it a point to read one Bahasa book every two months, but nowadays, it is more like one book every six months....  doh.gif

Even in Hong Kong, I have several small books to keep me company, and a couple of "school level" reference books that I enjoy browsing through every now and then to put a knife sharpening rod to my makin lama makin teruk Bahasa levels....

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I have several more Bahasa books and novels back in Malaysia that I have to lug over to HK next time I am back.
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luv the effort....

just that, you need to buy more bahasa books... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 19 2020, 08:44 PM)
The Chinese already migrated here since the 1800s, if most of them cannot speak Bahasa at all then how do they survived here until this very day in 2020?

And if you and your extremist kind still wanna cherry pick to insist each and every Chinese here to be able to speak Bahasa well, then as I had said before; please ensure each Malay boys and girls to pass the Bahasa exams in schools first.

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There is always one idiot who will enter a discussion without knowing what the discussion is about. Don’t be that idiot

I’m not saying Chinese can’t speak BM I am a Chinese who speaks BM. I’m saying BM is the national language and every malaysian should speak it. There should be no doubt that BM is our national language and we all should speak it.

Why don’t you learn to read before you talk?

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yeap unpatriotic is right, a good word thats neutral. and its ok. not everyone need to be patriotic, you can try to instill it but forcing it just feels kinda eeky.

but sometimes cant blame them, sometimes its not that they hate the country but language is something that you need to practice and use daily. and they dont have the chance to use it.
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If one stick with their own kind and do not mingle with people who speak the language, of course they will have ni chance to use it.
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are they ular???
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I would call them unpatriotic. But since they are born in Malaysia, citizenship is their birth right.
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Not talking about tongsan.

You don't understand Malaysia is a multiracial multicultural multireligious nation? What other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" as an excuse the other side must learn your language but you don't need to learn theirs?
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Since you keep asking everyone about this, may i know what other language that you have learned other than the national language and the language you were born with? hmm.gif
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entahlah sape yg pusing2.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 09:16 PM)
Not talking about tongsan.

You don't understand Malaysia is a multiracial multicultural multireligious nation? What other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" as an excuse the other side must learn your language but you don't need to learn theirs?
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multicultural multiracial have nothing to do with not be able to
speak. malay

you go to usa.. they are more multicultural tha us

but all people speak english

how to unite if everybody dont understand each other??
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entahlah sape yg pusing2.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 09:16 PM)
Not talking about tongsan.

You don't understand Malaysia is a multiracial multicultural multireligious nation? What other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" as an excuse the other side must learn your language but you don't need to learn theirs?
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Hahahha. God damn ini cakap pusing level najib. Hahahha
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Since you keep asking everyone about this, may i know what other language that you have learned other than the national language and the language you were born with? hmm.gif
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I'm not the one jumping at others they are unpatriotic or not deserve to be Malaysians if they don't know BM, so why am I being questioned? You should ask those who demands others to learn their language yet made no effort to learn other languages themselves while hiding behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label.

Anyways, if you really want to know:
QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 05:50 PM)
Then good for you. I'm a chinese who knows English, Malay, Cantonese, Mandarin (not so good but passable)

I'm proud to be Malaysian as well and also able to speak Bahasa Kebangsaan. Problem here is since when did this "you dunno national language you dun deserve to be called malaysian" started? Please tell me, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?
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I also did say I didn't had the opportunity to learn tamil
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Unfortunately no, I didn't have the opportunity to learn tamil. But its kinda cool if I can know tamil.

Whichever bahasa cina that you can speak to the cina guy. Can be cantonese, hokkien, teochow, mandarin. Your point is?
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QUOTE(lilostitch @ Jan 19 2020, 09:28 PM)
multicultural multiracial have nothing to do with not be able to
speak. malay

you go to usa.. they are more multicultural tha us

but all people speak english

how to unite if everybody dont understand each other??
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You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you use the label "kebangsaan"/"national" as though only 1 language can be allowed to be used here in Malaysia.


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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 09:36 PM)
I'm not the one jumping at others they are unpatriotic or not deserve to be Malaysians if they don't know BM, so why am I being questioned? You should ask those who demands others to learn their language yet made no effort to learn other languages themselves while hiding behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label.

Anyways, if you really want to know:

I also did say I didn't had the opportunity to learn tamil
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So did you make effort to learn other languages?
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Hahahha. God damn ini cakap pusing level najib. Hahahha
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Not pusing, just telling off the hypocrisy of some ppl who hides behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label. Living in multiracial multicultural multireligious Malaysia konon but only want to demand 1 way street and hiding behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label.
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You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you use the label "kebangsaan"/"national" as though only 1 language can be allowed to be used here in Malaysia.
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I think you still don’t get the message here. Nobody said only one language should be use. People are advocating that the is one language that everyone should master, our national language.

You keep saying “your language”, aren’t you malaysian? Because bahasa malaysia is our language as malaysian. hmm.gif
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You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you use the label "kebangsaan"/"national" as though only 1 language can be allowed to be used here in Malaysia.
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man.. this is malaysia.. bahasa kebangsaan is bahasa malaysia

ayoyo... so payah ajarin this sjkc people woiii


pusing pusing mcm ularlah
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 09:10 PM)
There is always one idiot who will enter a discussion without knowing what the discussion is about. Don’t be that idiot

I’m not saying Chinese can’t speak BM I am a Chinese who speaks BM. I’m saying BM is the national language and every malaysian should speak it. There should be no doubt that BM is our national language and we all should speak it.

Why don’t you learn to read before you talk?
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Stop your big mouth, disguising here with your dupe account will only show your evil intentions. Anyone can say they speak 100s of languages here. Your extremist kind better get lost then causing disharmony anymore in Malaysia.

Chinese already staying here for 200 years. They have no issue staying with everyone, until extremists like you started talking hatred and spreading fake news.

Get lost dupe.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 09:41 PM)
I think you still don’t get the message here. Nobody said only one language should be use. People are advocating that the is one language that everyone should master, our national language.

You keep saying “your language”, aren’t you malaysian? Because bahasa malaysia is our language as malaysian. hmm.gif
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And you still don't understand what I'm saying here.

It is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language means you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started?

Hence my question back to them, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

Also my next question back to them - living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation like Malaysia - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?


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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 09:40 PM)
Not pusing, just telling off the hypocrisy of some ppl who hides behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label. Living in multiracial multicultural multireligious Malaysia konon but only want to demand 1 way street and hiding behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label.
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multiracial not sooo multiracial lah

you go outside kl... no more chinese or indian to be found

i only saw chinese/indian here in kl..


china people.... speak chinese


japanese people.. spek japanese

malaysia people.. ahhh.. i dont know how to spea national language... not important bla bla bla bla


this is not intention of british when they left you here long time ago.... they said must mingle with the majoriy.. if you want to be accepted as malaysian


you want to be recognised as malaysian
but failed to speak the language

so you just mix with your own kind


so when the majority want all schools learn jawi.. you oppose said this is islamisation

dont you think why you are like this? because we not understad each other

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 09:40 PM)
Not pusing, just telling off the hypocrisy of some ppl who hides behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label. Living in multiracial multicultural multireligious Malaysia konon but only want to demand 1 way street and hiding behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label.
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They pusing somemore then ask them to ensure all Malay students pass their bahasa exams first. Own backyard also not yet clean, but kept busy body on others.
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QUOTE(lilostitch @ Jan 19 2020, 09:41 PM)
man.. this is malaysia.. bahasa kebangsaan is bahasa malaysia

ayoyo... so payah ajarin this sjkc people woiii
pusing pusing mcm ularlah
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Malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like tongsan nihonjin britain or france. Deal with it. Tak suka sila keluar balik Indonesia

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If one stick with their own kind and do not mingle with people who speak the language, of course they will have ni chance to use it.
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To be fair, everyone speaks English nowadays, at least in KL/selangor.
All my Malay friends speak English.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 09:46 PM)
And you still don't understand what I'm saying here.

It is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language means you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started?

Hence my question back to them, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

Also my next question back to them - living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation like Malaysia - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?
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National language is not my language. It is our language. Stop saying like you’re not Malaysian.

And did you make an effort to learn other language yourself?
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QUOTE(lilostitch @ Jan 19 2020, 09:46 PM)
multiracial not sooo multiracial lah

you go outside kl... no more chinese or indian to be found

i only saw chinese/indian here in kl..
china people.... speak chinese
japanese people.. spek japanese

malaysia people.. ahhh.. i dont know how to spea national language... not important bla bla bla bla
this is not intention of british when they left you here long time ago.... they said must mingle with the majoriy.. if you want to be accepted as malaysian
you want to be recognised as malaysian
but failed to speak the language

so you just mix with your own kind
so when the majority want all schools learn jawi.. you oppose said this is islamisation

dont you think why you are like this? because we not understad each other
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Ya we don't understand each other. So why don't you learn bahasa cina or tamil to communicate with them? Oh no cannot. Must use the label "kebangsaan"/"national" so you don't need to learn, only the other side must learn?
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The more you use logic to reason with them, the more retard they became.
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Luckily they didn't test me else I would've corrected them

Pemandangan dekat pantai, pan tart kau

Wan test other ppl but sendiri macam taik... I bet they didn't even get A in BM

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everyone should know how to speak malay. At least communicate effectively among all Malaysians.

Older generation unable to speak still acceptable but younger generation who refuse to learn or unable to string a proper sentence in BM is really inexcusable.

Coming from different mother tongue, surely there will be different accents and slangs. Even a lot of malays also speak with some rempit and wichet version. The standard is BM baku which everyone learn in school.

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 09:40 PM)
Not pusing, just telling off the hypocrisy of some ppl who hides behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label. Living in multiracial multicultural multireligious Malaysia konon but only want to demand 1 way street and hiding behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label.
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Somehow I don't blame them. It is called national language for a reason. Everyone who calls themselves as Malaysian should know how to at least converse using national language.
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Not talking about tongsan.

You don't understand Malaysia is a multiracial multicultural multireligious nation? What other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" as an excuse the other side must learn your language but you don't need to learn theirs?
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duduk Malaysia tapi mau jadi tongsan
so orang lain Kene belajar bahasa tongsan
cakap bahasa kebangsaan lagi teruk dari banggala pon tak apa


Great why Don't you move to Britain and teach the Brits your awesome ideology and see if they still will want you there

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 09:48 PM)
Malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like tongsan nihonjin britain or france. Deal with it. Tak suka sila keluar balik Indonesia
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kenapa nak balik indonesia

you should say.. balik thailand since my ancestor from there


multiracial multicultural.. so... no need speak bahasa kebangsaan?

tomorrow you go to petrol pump.. the bangla guy speak benggali to you.. and you said tak paham...

he then reply: Malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural

of course you will said wey bodoh

he then will reply: :chitta chotti... panni nain... sallaaa...
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Tong tong tongsan

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 09:49 PM)
National language is not my language. It is our language. Stop saying like you’re not Malaysian.

And did you make an effort to learn other language yourself?
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It is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

didn't I?

And what is your point in questioning me here? I'm not those hypocrites who hides behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label. Living in multiracial multicultural multireligious Malaysia konon but only want to demand 1 way street, refusing to learn themselves and hiding behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label. At least I learned bahasa and can communicate with malays in bahasa. Why can't those who knows bahasa kebangsaan as their mother tongue learn chinese to communicate with their brethrens who don't know bm?

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jan 19 2020, 09:56 PM)
pendek kata
duduk Malaysia tapi mau jadi tongsan
so orang lain Kene belajar bahasa tongsan
cakap bahasa kebangsaan lagi teruk dari banggala pon tak apa
Great why Don't you move to Britain and teach the Brits your awesome ideology and see if they still will want you there
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duduk Malaysia tapi tak nak belajar bahasa lain. Yg bukan melayu kena tau bahasa melayu tapi melayu tak payah belajar bahasa lain. Pakai je label "kebangsaan" cukup, depa kena belajar, ko takyah, win liao.

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QUOTE(lilostitch @ Jan 19 2020, 09:57 PM)
kenapa nak balik indonesia

you should say.. balik thailand since my ancestor from there
multiracial multicultural.. so... no need speak bahasa kebangsaan?

tomorrow you go to petrol pump.. the bangla guy speak benggali to you.. and you said tak paham...

he then reply: Malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural

of course you will said wey bodoh

he then will reply: :chitta chotti... panni nain... sallaaa...
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 05:30 PM)

As usual, everyone of you missed the point. You demand & insult the other races for not knowing bahasa kebangsaan. But have you, as a malaysian, learn other languages yourself? Or are you going to hide your ignorance behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" and only demand of 1 side while conveninently overlooking yourself?

And the local language here in malaysia is bahasa melayu, cina dan tamil (ofc you can argue there are many languages in malaysia, but lets just stick with the majority 3 shall we). What other languages you know beside your own mother tongue, which happened to be bahasa kebangsaan? Oh no need, imma just gonna hide behind the "kebangsaan "/"national" label yipeee, no need to learn anything else rclxm9.gif  and throw cheap shot at those who dunno bahasa, calling them don't deserve to be called malaysian, yay???
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QUOTE(ahmad92 @ Jan 19 2020, 09:56 PM)
Somehow I don't blame them. It is called national language for a reason. Everyone who calls themselves as Malaysian should know how to at least converse using national language.
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Yes, it is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

Sure, I also expect all malaysians to be able to communicate in bahasa kebangsaan. But if they don't, I also wont call them non patriotic and don't deserve to be called malaysians.

And for those who called others who don't know bahasa kebangsaan, have they learned chinese/tamil to communicate with them instead? Or no, use the "kebangsaan"/"national" label so die die they don't have to learn but the other side must?

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Why the fuck are you all still replying to bigwolf?

Clearly he's a mong of unprecedented levels, to the point I can feel my own chromosomes multiplying.

Leave him/her be, stave him/her off from attention.

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 10:16 PM)
And for those who called others who don't know bahasa kebangsaan, have they learned chinese/tamil to communicate with them instead? Or no, use the "kebangsaan"/"national" label so die die they don't have to learn but the other side must?
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What other sides? You're either a Malaysian or you are not.
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QUOTE(lilostitch @ Jan 19 2020, 09:57 PM)
kenapa nak balik indonesia

you should say.. balik thailand since my ancestor from there
multiracial multicultural.. so... no need speak bahasa kebangsaan?

tomorrow you go to petrol pump.. the bangla guy speak benggali to you.. and you said tak paham...

he then reply: Malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural

of course you will said wey bodoh

he then will reply: :chitta chotti... panni nain... sallaaa...
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Balik Indonesia also wrong
Less than 10% Indonesian speak Malay natively. Bahasa Indonesia is their 2nd language for most of Indonesian.

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For the new generation, to able to converse and write in Malay is a must.
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QUOTE(CertifiedHomphobe @ Jan 19 2020, 11:22 PM)
Why the fuck are you all still replying to bigwolf?

Clearly he's a mong of unprecedented levels, to the point I can feel my own chromosomes multiplying.

Leave him/her be, stave him/her off from attention.
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Why? Can't accept the truth? Duduk Malaysia tapi tak nak belajar bahasa lain. Yg bukan melayu kena tau bahasa melayu tapi melayu tak payah belajar bahasa lain. Pakai je label "kebangsaan" cukup, depa kena belajar, ko takyah, win liao izzit?

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 19 2020, 11:25 PM)
What other sides? You're either a Malaysian or you are not.
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You're missing the point. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who called others who don't know bahasa kebangsaan, but they themselves refused to learned other languages to communicate with them instead, and hide behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 10:06 PM)
Pendek kata
duduk Malaysia tapi tak nak belajar bahasa lain. Yg bukan melayu kena tau bahasa melayu tapi melayu tak payah belajar bahasa lain. Pakai je label "kebangsaan" cukup, depa kena belajar, ko takyah, win liao.
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Bahasa kebangsaan ada satu sahaja

Bahasa melayu dialeknya sangat banyak, ada Kelantan, Terengganu, Kedah, Melaka, KL, sarawak, Sabah, Perak semua bunyi lain lain bang. Ingat orang melayu Kedah faham ke apa orang Melayu Sarawak cakap?

Macam bahasa cina kat Malaysia pun ada Hokkien, fuchow, Kanto

India pun bukan semua Tamil speaker, ada juga yang cakap hindi, yang Singh cakap sinhalese

Belom campur lagi dayak, dusun, Iban, minang, jawa dan berpuluh-puluh lagi dielek lain

Apa maksud awak dengan bahasa lain? Yang mana satu, semua ke? Kan lebih mudah kalau satu negara kita seragamkan. Kita pakai Bahasa Malaysia. Kan senang, semua orang ada bahasa ibunda (mother tounge) masing-masing. Tak salah nak belajar bahasa lain tapi utamakan bahasa kebangsaan lepas bahasa ibunda sebab awak rakyat Malaysia. Nak belajar bahasa lain tu terpulanglah. Itu bagus.

Sebagai contoh, negara China pun sama macam kita. Mereka ada berpuluh-puluh bahasa, tapi untuk menyatukan rakyat mereka, pemimpin negara China wajibkan rakyat mereka belajar Mandarin supaya boleh bergaul sesama mereka.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 11:38 PM)
You're missing the point. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who called others who don't know bahasa kebangsaan, but they themselves refused to learned other languages to communicate with them instead, and hide behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label.
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Why is it a hypocrisy? Seriously dude you're on a lost crusade. National language is national language, no if, no buts. The fact that people want or not want to learn other vernacular language should not even be an issue.

Again, as someone already said, National language which happened to be Bahasa Melayu accorsing to constitution is not just my language but our language, again, no if, no but.

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The point of bahasa kebangsaan is so that there is a common language for all citizens to communicate and understand one another, communication is the bedrock of any functional civilisation especially in a democracy which arguably is even more dependent on the electorate sharing a common vision to function properly, otherwise it'll just descend into tribalism and us vs them mentality, like Malaysia.

Asking everyone to learn everybody's else's language is counterproductive to this end, ideally yes everyone can speak 1 mil languages but a practical solution would need compromise and usually this means the path of least resistance i.e. choosing a language that the majority of the population uses.

However just because a segment of society doesn't speak the language very well shouldn't be cause for them to be accused of being unpatriotic. It is highly unlikely they conciously chose to be not fluent in the national language. This phenomenon is actually just a symptom of some very deep rooted issues in our society that has allowed sectarianism and segregated societies to exist in parallel to each other, barely interacting with one another.

Shouldn't be pointing fingers to the individuals but definitely something to be tackled at the national policy level.
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 11:43 PM)
Bahasa kebangsaan ada satu sahaja

Bahasa melayu dialeknya sangat banyak, ada Kelantan, Terengganu, Kedah, Melaka, KL, sarawak, Sabah, Perak semua bunyi lain lain bang. Ingat orang melayu Kedah faham ke apa orang Melayu Sarawak cakap?

Macam bahasa cina kat Malaysia pun ada Hokkien, fuchow, Kanto

India pun bukan semua Tamil speaker, ada juga yang cakap hindi, yang Singh cakap sinhalese

Belom campur lagi dayak, dusun, Iban, minang, jawa dan berpuluh-puluh lagi dielek lain

Apa maksud awak dengan bahasa lain? Yang mana satu, semua ke? Kan lebih mudah kalau satu negara kita seragamkan. Kita pakai Bahasa Malaysia. Kan senang, semua orang ada bahasa ibunda (mother tounge) masing-masing. Tak salah nak belajar bahasa lain tapi utamakan bahasa kebangsaan lepas bahasa ibunda sebab awak rakyat Malaysia. Nak belajar bahasa lain tu terpulanglah. Itu bagus.

Sebagai contoh, negara China pun sama macam kita. Mereka ada berpuluh-puluh bahasa, tapi untuk menyatukan rakyat mereka, pemimpin negara China wajibkan rakyat mereka belajar Mandarin supaya boleh bergaul sesama mereka.
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Bro, aku setuju. Memang bagus kalau semua rakyat tau bahasa kebangsaan. Tapi kita adalah negara demokrasi, bukannya komunis. Memanglah bagus kalau semua tau bahasa kebangsaan tapi janganlah terlalu mengagungkannya sampai kutuk org yg tak tahu bahasa kebangsaan panggil mereka balik negara asal.

Kepada mereka yang berbuat demikian, aku pun tanya balik, kenapa anda tidak belajar bahasa mereka untuk berkomunikasi dengan dia kalau dia tak reti bahasa kebangsaan? Apakah yang bukan melayu kena belajar bahasa kebangsaan tapi melayu tak payah belajar bahasa lain? Pakai je label "kebangsaan" cukup, mati mati depa kena belajar, ko takyah? Malaysia bukan negara berbliang kaum, budaya dan agama ke?

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 19 2020, 11:44 PM)
Why is it a hypocrisy? Seriously dude you're on a lost crusade. National language is national language, no if, no buts. The fact that people want or not want to learn other vernacular language should not even be an issue.

Again, as someone already said, National language which happened to be Bahasa Melayu accorsing to constitution is not just my language but our language, again, no if, no but.
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as per my reply above
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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jan 19 2020, 04:35 AM)
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 19 2020, 09:43 PM)
Stop your big mouth, disguising here with your dupe account will only show your evil intentions. Anyone can say they speak 100s of languages here. Your extremist kind better get lost then causing disharmony anymore in Malaysia.

Chinese already staying here for 200 years. They have no issue staying with everyone, until extremists like you started talking hatred and spreading fake news.

Get lost dupe.
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You’re obviously not capable of having a mature discussion. Simply labeling people as extremists doesn’t help anyone. Grow up and get lost you’re not helping. People like you will be responsible for the next race riots.

Retard.
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 11:57 PM)
You’re obviously not capable of having a mature discussion. Simply labeling people as extremists doesn’t help anyone. Grow up and get lost you’re not helping. People like you will be responsible for the next race riots.

Retard.
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You think the nons will be scared off your riot threat? Bring it on extremist.

And stay ignored you low life troublemakers, racist and extremist.

You tak suka, go challenge the constitution to make all nons to speak fluent bahasa.

Lastly I do not communicate with your kind, muka tebal like concrete kept quoting, kept posting fake news, twisting and all.

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 11:53 PM)
Bro, aku setuju. Memang bagus kalau semua rakyat tau bahasa kebangsaan. Tapi kita adalah negara demokrasi, bukannya komunis. Memanglah bagus kalau semua tau bahasa kebangsaan tapi janganlah terlalu mengagungkannya sampai kutuk org yg tak tahu bahasa kebangsaan panggil mereka balik negara asal.

Kepada mereka yang berbuat demikian, aku pun tanya balik, kenapa anda tidak belajar bahasa mereka untuk berkomunikasi dengan dia kalau dia tak reti bahasa kebangsaan? Apakah yang bukan melayu kena belajar bahasa kebangsaan tapi melayu tak payah belajar bahasa lain? Pakai je label "kebangsaan" cukup, mati mati depa kena belajar, ko takyah?
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Kebangsaan = satu negara = satu komuniti

Tindakan sesetengah pihak untuk sengaja tidak menguasai bahasa kebangsaan dapat memecahbelahkan komuniti. Tujuan bahasa kebangsaan diwujudkan ialah supaya semua rakyat Malaysia dapat bergaul dalam satu komuniti.

Saya rasa awak salah faham dan anggap semua bahasa melayu sama. Sini saya tunjukkan contoh

Dielek Sarawak


Dielek negeri sembilan


Dielek Kelantan

Awak ingat kalau orang Kelantan faham ke orang Sarawak cakap dielek mereka?

Orang Sarawak, Negeri sembilan dan Kelantan pun kena belajar Bahasa Malaysia. Walaupun mereka melayu mereka tetap kena belajar bahasa kebangsaan bukan bahasa dielek mereka sahaja.
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 19 2020, 11:57 PM)
You’re obviously not capable of having a mature discussion. Simply labeling people as extremists doesn’t help anyone. Grow up and get lost you’re not helping. People like you will be responsible for the next race riots.

Retard.
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QUOTE(masamura @ Jan 19 2020, 02:31 PM)
Sekarang, pergi test plak melayu cakap inggeris
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Test cina skali. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 20 2020, 12:14 AM)
You think the nons will be scared off your riot threat? Bring it on extremist.

And stay ignored you low life troublemakers, racist and extremist.

You tak suka, go challenge the constitution to make all nons to speak fluent bahasa.

Lastly I do not communicate with your kind, muka tebal like concrete kept quoting, kept posting fake news, twisting and all.
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aku dah ckp... tak suka. dgn melayu pegilah jerit depan istana negara sana

situ lah lord of ketuanan melayu bersidai

tp diorang ni pengecut

kalau nak buat next bersih.. jangan buat di kl.. buat di depan istana negara


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QUOTE(lilostitch @ Jan 20 2020, 12:19 AM)
aku dah ckp... tak suka. dgn melayu pegilah jerit depan istana negara sana

situ lah lord of ketuanan melayu bersidai

tp diorang ni pengecut

kalau nak buat next bersih.. jangan buat di kl.. buat di depan istana negara
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Orang Cina tiada masalah dengan mana-mana kaum. Cina terkenal berada di negara mana-mana sahaja. China town di setiap pelosok dunia. Tiada bezanya dengan generasi Cina hingga sekarang yang sudah bertapak di Malaysia sejak 200 tahun lalu

Masalah yang dibuat adalah dari jenis extremist serta geng pengacau macam kamu dan yang lain-lain sebelum ini.

Jika anda tidak suka adanya sesetengah orang Cina yang tak fasih bahasa, sila buatlah repot polis atau yang seperti kamu katakan pergi ke istana negara dan hantarkan memorandum kepada Agong.

Yang macam pengecut ialah kamu, sembunyi di belakang skrin dan menyebarkan kebencian kaum serta akhbar-akhbar bohong.

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During my skool days, many M fail BM, & many C pass BM. Own self cant speak own mother tongue properly.
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pass bm and can speak bm is two things separately wei

lots of chinese got A but cannot speak

i got A in english but i cant speak.. only write
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You think the nons will be scared off your riot threat? Bring it on extremist.

And stay ignored you low life troublemakers, racist and extremist.

You tak suka, go challenge the constitution to make all nons to speak fluent bahasa.

Lastly I do not communicate with your kind, muka tebal like concrete kept quoting, kept posting fake news, twisting and all.
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Great don’t communicate with anyone except your own ignorant kind. Better for the rest of us.
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QUOTE(lilostitch @ Jan 20 2020, 12:31 AM)
pass bm and can speak bm is two things separately wei

lots of chinese got  A but  cannot speak

i got A in english but i cant speak.. only write
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Can you stop your bullshit? Translator means translator, stop all this got A and know how many goddamn languages
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Great don’t communicate with anyone except your own ignorant kind. Better for the rest of us.
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Stay ignored dupe muka tebal. Tak malu.

Extremist macam kamu siapa nak communicate dan berkawan? Oh ya, extremists gila yang lain.
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Can M speak proper orang asli language?
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Hey bro don’t get mad, it’s ykj after all. He is an ultra like Dong Zong. He has more loyalty to Emperor Xi than the country he was born in.
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Dupe, switch account to reply like nobody's business.

Tak malu ke?

Welcome to my ignore list. I have plenty for your kind.

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Kebangsaan = satu negara = satu komuniti

Tindakan sesetengah pihak untuk sengaja tidak menguasai bahasa kebangsaan dapat memecahbelahkan komuniti. Tujuan bahasa kebangsaan diwujudkan ialah supaya semua rakyat Malaysia dapat bergaul dalam satu komuniti.

Saya rasa awak salah faham dan anggap semua bahasa melayu sama. Sini saya tunjukkan contoh

Dielek Sarawak


Dielek negeri sembilan


Dielek Kelantan

Awak ingat kalau orang Kelantan faham ke orang Sarawak cakap dielek mereka?

Orang Sarawak, Negeri sembilan dan Kelantan pun kena belajar Bahasa Malaysia. Walaupun mereka melayu mereka tetap kena belajar bahasa kebangsaan bukan bahasa dielek mereka sahaja.
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Tapi Malaysia =/= satu komuniti. Ada berbilang2 komuniti. Kan aku dah cakap tadi, memanglah bagus kalau semua tau bahasa kebangsaan tapi janganlah terlalu mengagungkannya sampai kutuk org yg tak tahu bahasa kebangsaan panggil mereka balik negara asal.

Dan macam mana pihak yg tak belajar bahasa kebangsaan boleh memecah belahkan komuniti? Sejak bila ada pikiran bodo macam ni? Apakah kamu tak faham bahasa mereka akan dipukul? Bahasa Inggeris tak boleh pakai ke? Masa atuk nenek aku 40-50 tahun lalu lagi teruk, india cakap tamil je, cina cakap cina dan melayu ikut loghat negeri masing2. Semua ok je, tak nampak pun negara musnah?

Bukannya nak kamu belajar kesemua bahasa dan loghat di Malaysia. Kawan aku dari Ipoh hanya tau cantonese, haprak sepatah hokkien pun tak reti masa dia pergi kerja kat penang. 3 tahun kemudian dia pun fasih hokkien, takde pun dia mendesak orang lain cakap cantonese kat dia di penang. Sama lah, selama ni dia belajar bahasa kebangsaan so secara otomatik dia tau bertutur bahasa melayu dengan orang melayu sebab dia tahu mereka tak faham hokkien. Tapi bukan semua lah, ada juga melayu yang fasih hokkien kat sana. Kelakar jugak kalau dia bergaduh hokkien dengan mamat melayu.

Maksud aku selama ni, katalah kalau kamu tinggal di KL, apa salahnya belajar bahasa cantonese atau mandarin untuk bertutur dengan cina yg tak tau bahasa kebangsaan? Atau belajar hokkien kalau di penang. Atau bahasa kelate kalau di kelantan; atau pun melayu sarawak, kalau di sarawak. Memang betul, kalau mereka tau tahu bahasa kebangsaan, its their loss. Bahasa kebangsaan memanglah penting, tapi janganlah terlalu taksub sampai sendiri langsung tak nak belajar sepatah pun bahasa lain atas nama "patriotik"

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i can speak proper malay, but not super fluent like reporters or newscasters.

i can write proper malay sentences, but of course no longer as good as when i was in school, i was from SK.

but in the end, still being called pendatang and get treated as 2nd class citizen. so... yea, just because you can speak it, it doesn't mean anything sad.gif

look at indonesia, the chinese there can speak indon so damn bloody well, but 1998 still happened :/
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too late, the british brought us fakbois in. we in this together now  cool2.gif
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Wow

Simple thread

Dut too stubborn, arrogant, ego, terus protex mode activate, till 17 pages

Ahh this people

When kutuk orang kaw kaw tak ingat dunia

When kena kutuk balik terus 17 pages
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QUOTE(Gyazo @ Jan 20 2020, 06:44 AM)
Wow

Simple thread

Dut too stubborn, arrogant, ego, terus protex mode activate, till 17 pages

Ahh this people

When kutuk orang kaw kaw tak ingat dunia

When kena kutuk balik terus 17 pages
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Plotek mode is stlong in this wan.

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I don't blame cainis that can't speak BM. Blame the politicians and the idiots supporting the current education system. If you are supporting vernacular schools, you are supporting the current broken system.

The day vernacular schools are abolished is the day we can move forward. But before we can abolish vernacular school, there needs to be a major revamp in the current SMK system.
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I think the more language you know , the better it is . It's nice to have conversation in their mother tongue cause there is a slight joy when you impress ppl and the compliment is always good .

But not to be happy when other don't speak as well or don't want to practice it is just a symptom of being a huge retard , it's their choice and lost .

Either way , eventually everybody will pick it up in the future and will be better than these current complaining group in which later on they will come with another issue and might demand extra tongkat .
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QUOTE(Gyazo @ Jan 20 2020, 06:44 AM)
Wow

Simple thread

Dut too stubborn, arrogant, ego, terus protex mode activate, till 17 pages

Ahh this people

When kutuk orang kaw kaw tak ingat dunia

When kena kutuk balik terus 17 pages
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Yeah. Most people here claim that they can speak perfect BM but at the same time defending hard those who can’t speak the language. At the same time belittling the importance of national language. Yet offended when people call them unpatriotic. When you think national language is unimportant, how can you claim yourself patriotic? National language is the foundation of patriotism.

Pening aku fikir logik org-org macam ni rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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Eleh even degree grads from uitm had to have their bm corrected by me. Bm is just a skill, last I read the newspaper, no employers are complaining about Chinese can't speak malay
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Yeah. Most people here claim that they can speak perfect BM but at the same time defending hard those who can’t speak the language. At the same time belittling the importance of national language. Yet offended when people call them unpatriotic. When you think national language is unimportant, how can you claim yourself patriotic? National language is the foundation of patriotism.

Pening aku fikir logik org-org macam ni rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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Saya rasa hang lebih baik tak payah fikir untuk kebaikan masyarakat sejagat . Hang pi belajar cakap cina , jadi contoh terbaik sampai orang cina impress untuk belajar bahasa malaysia.

Hang cakap mother tongue sendiri kira the ultimate patriotic citizen la 😂

Taniah #kipidap#dongibab

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Topkek level..
simply BM also mcm tongsan level..
SRJK level ker? teacher bodo or student bodo
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I don't blame cainis that can't speak BM. Blame the politicians and the idiots supporting the current education system. If you are supporting vernacular schools, you are supporting the current broken system.

The day vernacular schools are abolished is the day we can move forward. But before we can abolish vernacular school, there needs to be a major revamp in the current SMK system.
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I suggest you masuk SJKC for a tour before commenting. You will be surprised there are both Malay teachers and students too there.

And if the country wanna abolish all race/religion based education system, I am very sure nobody will defend vernacular schools.
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Too bad, 18 pages on everybody still wants to insist to hide behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label and refused to learn anything else. And when ppl tried to explain, you call them ego, arrogant, plotek, and go back to their british masters.

Kinda wonders if these people who refuse to integrate comes from sjkc. They say sjkc ppl don't integrate rite?

And its also ironic to believe language is foundation to patriotism, when most of the rnr slurs, insults & instigations are in national language.
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QUOTE(Twenty-Fifth Baam @ Jan 20 2020, 04:42 AM)
i can speak proper malay, but not super fluent like reporters or newscasters.

i can write proper malay sentences, but of course no longer as good as when i was in school, i was from SK.

but in the end, still being called pendatang and get treated as 2nd class citizen. so... yea, just because you can speak it, it doesn't mean anything sad.gif

look at indonesia, the chinese there can speak indon so damn bloody well, but 1998 still happened :/
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These "ultra patriots" will never acknowledge that. They will always think everybody must go to 1 school, and speak 1 language, and somehow, magically, we will achieve unity. Its never racism or socio economic inequality or tuan rumah/pendatang mindset to them doh.gif
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but plenty don't even act Malaysian

they speak tongsan national language and then belip in CCP propoganda that tongsan national language is their mother tongues.

they learn 5,000 characters tongsan writting but Don't Wanna learn 3 page of Malaysian alphabet
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Depends what's your definition of acting Malaysian. If forcing people of other cultures to accept your culture then I disagree that is how to act Malaysian.

I believe that's your own view that mother tongue language is propaganda. Plenty of people from different countries that migrate to other country and yet continue using and pass down their mother tongue language. It's about preserving their own culture, nothing to do with patriotism, don't mixed up on this.

I don't understand the big hoohaa on expecting people to master a language. Knowing a language can't be measured as someone's level of patriotism. Painting language as patriotism is the actual propaganda. In the end it is only a communication tool between 2 people. When 2 people trying to communicate but doesn't have 1 language that both understand, then it will depend who is more desperate to get the words across. In this situation the more desperate person will have to learn the other language in order to communicate. Using force will only have a negative impact on the whole society. In this age of globalisation, forcing to go with single language is counterproductive.
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QUOTE(UpsideDownYeah @ Jan 20 2020, 07:47 AM)
Saya rasa hang lebih baik tak payah fikir untuk kebaikan masyarakat sejagat . Hang pi belajar cakap cina , jadi contoh terbaik sampai orang cina impress untuk belajar bahasa malaysia.

Hang cakap mother tongue sendiri kira the ultimate patriotic citizen la 😂

Taniah #kipidap#dongibab
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hahaha wait until i make fun of his english.
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Actually not only their english, their BM were also pathetic. I hate people who speak rojak language. If you want to speak english, speak full english, and if you want to speak BM, speak full BM. Don’t mix and match the language unless you’re trying to mention a word that you can’t recall the translation.
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QUOTE(nuvi @ Jan 20 2020, 08:31 AM)
Depends what's your definition of acting Malaysian. If forcing people of other cultures to accept your culture then I disagree that is how to act Malaysian.

I believe that's your own view that mother tongue language is propaganda. Plenty of people from different countries that migrate to other country and yet continue using and pass down their mother tongue language. It's about preserving their own culture, nothing to do with patriotism, don't mixed up on this.

I don't understand the big hoohaa on expecting people to master a language. Knowing a language can't be measured as someone's level of patriotism. Painting language as patriotism is the actual propaganda. In the end it is only a communication tool between 2 people. When 2 people trying to communicate but doesn't have 1 language that both understand, then it will depend who is more desperate to get the words across. In this situation the more desperate person will have to learn the other language in order to communicate. Using force will only have a negative impact on the whole society. In this age of globalisation, forcing to go with single language is counterproductive.
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We have baju merah and rempits rioting demanding tongkat and free money.

So much for for being ""patriotic".

Remember, it's not about what the country can give you. It's what YOU CAN GIVE TO THE COUNTRY.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 20 2020, 09:25 AM)
Actually not only their english, their BM were also pathetic. I hate people who speak rojak language. If you want to speak english, speak full english, and if you want to speak BM, speak full BM. Don’t mix and match the language unless you’re trying to mention a word that you can’t recall the translation.
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Agreed. In /k ok lah, since it's sampah forum.

But in real world, please don't do that!
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QUOTE(8bitguy @ Jan 20 2020, 09:29 AM)
We have baju merah and rempits rioting demanding tongkat and free money.

So much for for being ""patriotic".

Remember, it's not about what the country can give you. It's what YOU CAN GIVE TO THE COUNTRY.
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Of course they are not the patriotic type. How can say they are patriotic when most of them can’t even speak proper BM.

Rempit language =/= BM
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Of course they are not the patriotic type. How can say they are patriotic when most of them can’t even speak proper BM.

Rempit language =/= BM
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Eh eh... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Honestly, i think even bad BM > Rempit WTF shit is this.

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I suggest you masuk SJKC for a tour before commenting. You will be surprised there are both Malay teachers and students too there.

And if the country wanna abolish all race/religion based education system, I am very sure nobody will defend vernacular schools.
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That's not my point, I have plenty of Malay friends that went SJKC. And what language do they converse in? Obviously not Malay. It's not even the Chinese or Malay's fault. It's natural to converse in a language you both studied together.

The problem that some Chinese can't speak BM is the same as some Chinese SK student can't speak Chinese. Do you know why Malays go to Chinese schools? Their parents wants their kid to learn Chinese and the only they do that is to go to a vernacular school. It's impossible to learn Chinese in a SK school and that's an actual problem that the government needs to fix.

Some Chinese gets no opportunity to learn BM and some Chinese gets no opportunity to learn Chinese. Revamp the current education system. Integrate the school curriculum and implement language learning skills properly. Right now, vernacular schools and dumb education curriculum in SK schools is the cause of this.
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QUOTE(Szzz @ Jan 20 2020, 09:45 AM)
That's not my point, I have plenty of Malay friends that went SJKC. And what language do they converse in? Obviously not Malay. It's not even the Chinese or Malay's fault. It's natural to converse in a language you both studied together.

The problem that some Chinese can't speak BM is the same as some Chinese SK student can't speak Chinese. Do you know why Malays go to Chinese schools? Their parents wants their kid to learn Chinese  and the only they do that is to go to a vernacular school. It's impossible to learn Chinese in a SK school and that's an actual problem that the government needs to fix.

Some Chinese gets no opportunity to learn BM and some Chinese gets no opportunity to learn Chinese. Revamp the current education system. Integrate the school curriculum and implement language learning skills properly. Right now, vernacular schools and dumb education curriculum in SK schools is the cause of this.
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Revamp? Yes, by abolishing all race or religion based schools along with it, otherwise what you said is no other than a sugar coated form of racism.

And to your surprise, Malays speak bahasa too with Chinese in SJKC. Go in one and see how they converse before jumping into conclusion.

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QUOTE(8bitguy @ Jan 20 2020, 09:41 AM)
Eh eh... laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Honestly, i think even bad BM > Rempit WTF shit is this.

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To me bad BM is just the same level of rempit BM.

Acceptable conversational BM is BM with minor grammatical error, which the mistake commonly made is in the preposition part.

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Problem racism because malaysian races don’t assimilate with each other by the system british created.

Imagine topic like this, fight like no end..


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Problem racism because malaysian races don’t assimilate with each other by the system british created.

Imagine topic like this, fight like no end..
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Only in KL/Selangor & Penang. In states like Kelantan, Kedah, Perak, Terengganu & Pahang, people do mixed among races, because most of them communicate in a language that everyone can understand.
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Only in KL/Selangor & Penang. In states like Kelantan, Kedah, Perak, Terengganu & Pahang, people do mixed among races, because most of them communicate in a language that everyone can understand.
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Of course not all. It’s apparent in KL/Selangor & Penang.
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Problem racism because malaysian races don’t assimilate with each other by the system british created.

Imagine topic like this, fight like no end..
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Definitely it wont go away when we look at integration and assimilation as only 1 way street.

A: you must learn national language

B: ofc, but what about you also learning other languages to communicate with others who are weak in national language?

A: no cannot, they must learn national language to communicate with me. It's never me to talk to them in their language, everybody must talk in national language!

B: eh but malaysia is a multiracial multicultural multireligious nation? What's wrong with learning other languages beside national language?

A: no no no, THEY must learn, not ME! Must talk in national language, otherwise you are not patriotic and refuse to integrate

B: ok, what about those who are already proficient in national language? Why still call them to balik negara asal?

A: because they still refuse to integrate. We must abolish vernacular schools and mix all students together, then only we can achieve unity

B: but eating in toilet during puasa, or separate utensils for muslim students and nons?

A: no no no, we must abolish vernacular schools and mix all students together, then only we can achieve unity

B: unity issues not because of racism, socio economic inequality, tuan rumah/pendatang mindset?

A: no no no, all salah vernacular schools

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Those chinese that can't speak well in BM might be richer and pay more tax than some of them that can speak well in BM. Like my boss, studied untill standard 3 bcos family too poor, but now become multi-millionaire doing legal business, and he always do donate to those unfortunate people, no matter what races. Some ppl just jealous and want to show that they are better than them, no matter on which part, but in real life, they still a loser.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 20 2020, 12:32 PM)
Definitely it wont go away when we look at integration and assimilation as only 1 way street.

A: you must learn national language

B: ofc, but what about you also learning other languages to communicate with others who are weak in national language?

A: no cannot, they must learn national language to communicate with me. It's never me to talk to them in their language, everybody must talk in national language!

B: eh but malaysia is a multiracial multicultural multireligious nation? What's wrong with learning other languages beside national language?

A: no no no, THEY must learn, not ME! Must talk in national language, otherwise you are not patriotic and refuse to integrate

B: ok, what about those who are already proficient in national language? Why still call them to balik negara asal?

A: because they still refuse to integrate. We must abolish vernacular schools and mix all students together, then only we can achieve unity

B: but eating in toilet during puasa, or separate utensils for muslim students and nons?

A: no no no, we must abolish vernacular schools and mix all students together, then only we can achieve unity

B: unity issues not because of racism, socio economic inequality, tuan rumah/pendatang mindset?

A: no no no, all salah vernacular schools

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Malay rulers also stupid to fall into this grand scheme.

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Those chinese that can't speak well in BM might be richer and pay more tax than some of them that can speak well in BM. Like my boss, studied untill standard 3 bcos family too poor, but now become multi-millionaire doing legal business, and he always do donate to those unfortunate people, no matter what races. Some ppl just jealous and want to show that they are better than them, no matter on which part, but in real life, they still a loser.
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True in some sense, but BM is our national language.

Its not about study, its the way you brought up.

We all should be brought up together, regardless skin,religion,race..

The separation made what we are now.

It is sad to see, thats why we hard to move ahead.


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Try doing this at SJKC and see the results
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You want to test the one top of the class or the last of the class?
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I should point out that even our "leaders" don't always use bahasa kebangsaan.

After all, Rosmah did say, "Can I advise you something" not "Bolehkah aku menasihatimu?"
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Has anyone actually try to do BM writing instead of oral test? I bet you'll be surprise with the result. So pls don't judge a book by its cover.
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Has anyone actually try to do BM writing instead of oral test? I bet you'll be surprise with the result. So pls don't judge a book by its cover.
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Most my chinese friends got A in BM, compared to my non chinese friends.

And on daily basis, my chinese friends talk in Bahasa like normal malay folks, perhaps all my chinese friends came from SRK.


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QUOTE(mesothelium @ Jan 20 2020, 11:55 AM)
I should point out that even our "leaders" don't always use bahasa kebangsaan.

After all, Rosmah did say, "Can I advise you something" not "Bolehkah aku menasihatimu?"
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dont always doesn't mean cannot lol
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 20 2020, 11:12 AM)
Only in KL/Selangor & Penang. In states like Kelantan, Kedah, Perak, Terengganu & Pahang, people do mixed among races, because most of them communicate in a language that everyone can understand.
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you mean communicate in regional dialect, like bahasa kelate in kelantan?
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you mean communicate in regional dialect, like bahasa kelate in kelantan?
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They should a video to test Boleh Melayu cakap Cina instead.....

Chinese atleast speak broken malay..... i think malay cannot even speak broken chinese....
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They should a video to test Boleh Melayu cakap Cina instead.....

Chinese atleast speak broken malay..... i think malay cannot even speak broken chinese....
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They should a video to test Boleh Melayu cakap Cina instead.....

Chinese atleast speak broken malay..... i think malay cannot even speak broken chinese....
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They wont do it..

Because there will be one answer to that will be a backlash


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They should a video to test Boleh Melayu cakap Cina instead.....

Chinese atleast speak broken malay..... i think malay cannot even speak broken chinese....
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Yeah. Should make the same video in PRC. Surely most amgmo can speak the language there.
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QUOTE(mesothelium @ Jan 20 2020, 11:55 AM)
I should point out that even our "leaders" don't always use bahasa kebangsaan.

After all, Rosmah did say, "Can I advise you something" not "Bolehkah aku menasihatimu?"
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Can see those that die2 say must only use BM are those with ego issue.
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Can see those that die2 say must only use BM are those with ego issue.
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It’s not ego issue. It’s just being too patriotic and too nationalist. That’s what happened when you’re not racist, you don’t have anything else to fight for other than your country sweat.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 20 2020, 11:32 AM)
Definitely it wont go away when we look at integration and assimilation as only 1 way street.

A: you must learn national language

B: ofc, but what about you also learning other languages to communicate with others who are weak in national language?

A: no cannot, they must learn national language to communicate with me. It's never me to talk to them in their language, everybody must talk in national language!

B: eh but malaysia is a multiracial multicultural multireligious nation? What's wrong with learning other languages beside national language?

A: no no no, THEY must learn, not ME! Must talk in national language, otherwise you are not patriotic and refuse to integrate

B: ok, what about those who are already proficient in national language? Why still call them to balik negara asal?

A: because they still refuse to integrate. We must abolish vernacular schools and mix all students together, then only we can achieve unity

B: but eating in toilet during puasa, or separate utensils for muslim students and nons?

A: no no no, we must abolish vernacular schools and mix all students together, then only we can achieve unity

B: unity issues not because of racism, socio economic inequality, tuan rumah/pendatang mindset?

A: no no no, all salah vernacular schools

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Malaysia is not Malaya ( or more accurately,not the federated and non-federated malay states in the malayan union)

even mahathir dun understand this. ( to serve his own agenda )

This post has been edited by Redhunt: Jan 20 2020, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 20 2020, 12:51 PM)
It’s not ego issue. It’s just being too patriotic and too nationalist. That’s what happened when you’re not racist, you don’t have anything else to fight for other than your country sweat.gif
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It's not too patriotic and nationalist. It's skewed patriotic.

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QUOTE(nuvi @ Jan 20 2020, 12:55 PM)
It's not too patriotic and nationalist. It's skewed patriotic.
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So what is patriotic to you? What is nationalist to you?
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 10:06 PM)
Pendek kata
duduk Malaysia tapi tak nak belajar bahasa lain. Yg bukan melayu kena tau bahasa melayu tapi melayu tak payah belajar bahasa lain. Pakai je label "kebangsaan" cukup, depa kena belajar, ko takyah, win liao.
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Brits has to learn Punjab,Urdu,tongsan And all
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the fact that you refer to the national language as yours and not ours pretty much proof you aren't a Malaysian in nationalism but tongsan nationalist with marehsia citizenship
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QUOTE(posmaster @ Jan 20 2020, 12:20 PM)
They should a video to test Boleh Melayu cakap Cina instead.....

Chinese atleast speak broken malay..... i think malay cannot even speak broken chinese....
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which Chinese language?
Mandarin?
Cantonese?
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Bukan mother tongue language. Tp bahasa kebangsaan.
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What's your mother tongue ?

Do you also feel that born as M are automatically entitled to be more patriotic then others ?

This is a multi racial country , can you speak the language of your other fellow Malaysia who comes from different ethnicity ?

Or do you feel triggered when asked about this ? Eh mana boleh , we M are above everything, you have to learn our language cause it's the bahasa kebangsaan lol but at the end of the day , I don't blame you .
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QUOTE(UpsideDownYeah @ Jan 20 2020, 01:01 PM)
What's your mother tongue ?

Do you also feel that born as M are automatically entitled to be more patriotic then others ? 

This is a multi racial country , can you speak the language of your other fellow Malaysia who comes from different ethnicity ?

Or do you feel triggered when asked about this ? Eh mana boleh , we M are above everything, you have to learn our language cause it's the bahasa kebangsaan lol but at the end of the day , I don't blame you .
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QUOTE(Perfect.Stranger @ Jan 20 2020, 11:49 AM)
True in some sense, but BM is our national language.

Its not about study, its the way you brought up.

We all should be brought up together, regardless skin,religion,race..

The separation made what we are now.

It is sad to see, thats why we hard to move ahead.
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since when malaysia about malay only? people like you always forget that Malaysia also includes Sabah and Sarawak.

in 1957 half of malaysia are nons. If you separate that by federated malay, non-federated malay states and straits settlements, plus sabah and sarawak,
BM is not even the lingua franca for 50% of the population

the whole idea of Malaysia is another of those reckless exercise in redrawing national boundaries. So far, it has not fractured because the various distinct communities was allowed to live their own lives .

once the government starts to force all the nons to follow the malay way of life, we would break up into the Malayan Union again.

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Trust me, even if chinese all speak perfect BM, I can guarantee you, "they" will find other new things to butthurt about.

You really think they want you to speak BM because they care so much about unity? Lololol

Try answer yes with a straight face, I also cannot tahan sendiri laugh.


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this tbh for me other than Malais and Anglais if the other person can't speak well even I feel stuck ashamed on not knowing how to communicate with them

sometimes breadth is needed instead of just depth and mastery of one or two languages
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QUOTE(United Rulez @ Jan 20 2020, 01:04 PM)
Trust me, even if chinese all speak perfect BM, I can guarantee you, "they" will find other new things to butthurt about.

You really think they want you to speak BM because they care so much about unity?  Lololol

Try answer yes with a straight face, I also cannot tahan sendiri laugh.
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Already happened Indonesia. 1998 massacre, the poor Indonesian Chinese there raped and slaughtered.
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Tak habis2 mamat tu dgn massacre dia. Suka sgt dia dgn massacre. Fetish massacre lah kot. Sikit-sikit massacre, sikit-sikit massacre. Takde modal lain.
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QUOTE(Jv8888 @ Jan 20 2020, 01:21 PM)
It's not  about bahasa..mostly about jealousy and hatred of other races that brainwashed since they were kids. To show dominance, they will come out with any reason to show that they are superior, and every non must bow to them.
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From what i see, brainwashing happened on both side.

I am fighting a lost cause.
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QUOTE(Jv8888 @ Jan 20 2020, 01:21 PM)
It's not  about bahasa..mostly about jealousy and hatred of other races that brainwashed since they were kids. To show dominance, they will come out with any reason to show that they are superior, and every non must bow to them.
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Actually no. It's just some nons beliving that. Sampai bahasa kebangsaan pun nak kona sana nak kona sini.
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QUOTE(UpsideDownYeah @ Jan 20 2020, 07:47 AM)
Saya rasa hang lebih baik tak payah fikir untuk kebaikan masyarakat sejagat . Hang pi belajar cakap cina , jadi contoh terbaik sampai orang cina impress untuk belajar bahasa malaysia.

Hang cakap mother tongue sendiri kira the ultimate patriotic citizen la 😂

Taniah #kipidap#dongibab
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haha this tbh lad

the best way to invite and encourage them is to be the best example yourself innit?

no use forcing

use open palm instead of closed fist

that is the only way


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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 20 2020, 12:58 PM)
So what is patriotic to you? What is nationalist to you?
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Feeling belonging to this multi cultural country of course.
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QUOTE(Redhunt @ Jan 20 2020, 02:03 PM)
since when malaysia about malay only? people like you always forget that Malaysia also includes Sabah and Sarawak.

in 1957 half of malaysia are nons. If you separate that by federated malay, non-federated malay states and straits settlements, plus sabah and sarawak,
BM is not even the lingua franca for 50% of the population

the whole idea of Malaysia is another of those reckless exercise in redrawing national boundaries. So far, it has not fractured because the various distinct communities was allowed to live their own lives .

once the government starts to force all the nons to follow the malay way of life, we would break up into the Malayan Union again.
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Wow, thats rich..

Where does it says in my statement Malaysia only for malay?

Are you a sad silent racist bigot?




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Actually.....

All Malaysian should speak Malay, Chinese and Indian.....broken also never mind....at least can communicate....

Example is the food, most malaysian will eat Malay, Chinese and Indian food......

Why we cannot speak 3 main languages??
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Feeling belonging to this multi cultural country of course.
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How?
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haha this tbh lad

the best way to invite and encourage them is to be the best example yourself innit?

no use forcing

use open palm instead of closed fist

that is the only way
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Indeed sir .

Nothing to lose but everything to gain.
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Actually no. It's just some nons beliving that. Sampai bahasa kebangsaan pun nak kona sana nak kona sini.
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How?
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How? By each having their own culture and not being forced to follow other culture.

You gonna keep asking such questions until you found a loophole to counter back?
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QUOTE(posmaster @ Jan 20 2020, 01:40 PM)
Actually.....

All Malaysian should speak Malay, Chinese and Indian.....broken also never mind....at least can communicate....

Example is the food, most malaysian will eat Malay, Chinese and Indian food......

Why we cannot speak 3 main languages??
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We also can speak some japunis.

Yamete.. yamete... yamete kudasai..
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QUOTE(posmaster @ Jan 20 2020, 01:40 PM)
Actually.....

All Malaysian should speak Malay, Chinese and Indian.....broken also never mind....at least can communicate....

Example is the food, most malaysian will eat Malay, Chinese and Indian food......

Why we cannot speak 3 main languages??
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Which Chinese language? Hokkien? Cantonese? Hakka? Foochow?

What about Punjabi? Malayalam? Indigenous language in Sabah Sarawak? Bahasa Klate?

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How? By each having their own culture and not being forced to follow other culture.

You gonna keep asking such questions until you found a loophole to counter back?
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Nope. I am just want to know how other people define patriotism and nationalism.
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QUOTE(posmaster @ Jan 20 2020, 01:40 PM)
Actually.....

All Malaysian should speak Malay, Chinese and Indian.....broken also never mind....at least can communicate....

Example is the food, most malaysian will eat Malay, Chinese and Indian food......

Why we cannot speak 3 main languages??
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because consuming is easier rather than working on and producing something

simple as

that's why like some guy said primary national school should be the seedbed on introducing basic phrases

that way we can appreciate their languages too

other than just their delicacies hahaha
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How? By each having their own culture and not being forced to follow other culture.

You gonna keep asking such questions until you found a loophole to counter back?
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No one is forcing anyone to follow another culture except few idiots. However, national language is never about individual but collective culture. It's either you're in or you're out.
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Nope. I am just want to know how other people define patriotism and nationalism.
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Sure. I believe I have answered you.
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in the end it all boils down to "us vs them" mentality

I'm also guilty of this sometime if I don't consistently reflect and retrospect

it's so easy to get caught up in the frenzy tribalism like some football hooligans as some thrive on those things to gain and remain in power
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 20 2020, 01:58 PM)
No one is forcing anyone to follow another culture except few idiots. However, national language is never about individual but collective culture. It's either you're in or you're out.
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And no one say they outright reject to learn national language. Only some idiots keep bringing up national language as means to force everyone to only talk this one language.
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And no one say they outright reject to learn national language. Only some idiots keep bringing up national language as means to force everyone to only talk this one language.
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Who? I only see some idiot rejecting the national language on the ground that mamy malays dont care to learn about some vernacular languages. It is as it should be some requirement for some of them to even learn how to speak the national language.
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Acah-acah ignore list. Aritu dh nk masuk aku dlm ignore list dia. Arini dia boleh baca and reply post aku lg walaupon takde org quote post aku yg dia reply tu.

Mmg sohai extremist.
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3 report berderet deret dia bagi aku. 😁

Jiwa halus sungguh.
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3 report berderet deret dia bagi aku. 😁

Jiwa halus sungguh.
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Aik. Dia boleh baca n report post aku? Rosak ke ignore list dia ni? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Baby1985 @ Jan 19 2020, 09:17 AM)
Scare? Nowadays they don even appreciate what had given by our ancestors which is the malaysia now. No point keep saying and repeating 513.
Did i say they are good? Do you understand what am i trying to say? And one more thing, why only target chinese? Bahasa kebangsaan is for all, ni klu setakat jawab dalam bahasa pasar tu jangan la sombong sangat cakap fasih bahasa malaysia.
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Bila suruh fasih sepenuhnya, bagi alasan asalkan boleh berkomunikasi dah cukup.

Bila bahasa pasar pun tak fasih, nak kata orang lain bahasa baku pun tak lepas.

Nak kena lempang dulu kot baru faham.
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Aik. Dia boleh baca n report post aku? Rosak ke ignore list dia ni? rclxub.gif
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Oghe tak reti baso gitu deh...
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 20 2020, 02:08 PM)
Who? I only see some idiot rejecting the national language on the ground that mamy malays dont care to learn about some vernacular languages. It is as it should be some requirement for some of them to even learn how to speak the national language.
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Did they say they outright reject to learn national language?
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Did they say they outright reject to learn national language?
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I dont know. I dont speak their language vernacular language.
SUSPerfect.Stranger
post Jan 20 2020, 02:26 PM

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Here got more comments than youtube..


Stronk!
KineticKill
post Jan 20 2020, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 20 2020, 07:27 AM)
lol belang racist dah keluar tuuuuuu
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Bila dah offer, panggil racist pulak.

What do you want?
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post Jan 20 2020, 02:33 PM

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Overseas ppl always wonder why between malaysian does not speak bahasa malaysia? In their country they always speak in their offical language regardless of race
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post Jan 20 2020, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 20 2020, 02:31 PM)
Bila dah offer, panggil racist pulak.

What do you want?
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>calling people to wear yellow makeup to reprsent a race
>not racst.

lol. pick one.
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post Jan 20 2020, 02:37 PM

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post Jan 20 2020, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 20 2020, 07:33 AM)
>calling people to wear yellow makeup to reprsent a race
>not racst.

lol. pick one.
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Eh, people wearing black face makeup can still be PM. Get over it.

Sikit2 nak sentap. Mental senang koyak.

This post has been edited by KineticKill: Jan 20 2020, 02:39 PM
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post Jan 20 2020, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 20 2020, 02:38 PM)
Eh, people wearing black face makeup can still be PM. Get over it.

Sikit2 nak sentap. Mental senang koyak.
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>using PM as a ethical standard
>lol
>najib
>mahathir
>putin
>mao zedong
>kim jong ill
>berlusconi

lol
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QUOTE(local_machine @ Jan 19 2020, 03:48 PM)
last time i did grab in penang, cainis secondary school students also failed to distinguish between "kanan" & "kiri", belum lagi ayat penuh.
MEMALUKAN.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 20 2020, 02:13 PM)
Oghe tak reti baso gitu deh...
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Memey doh..
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post Jan 20 2020, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 20 2020, 12:18 PM)
Yes. Everyone can speak in same dialect regardless of race.
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Sigh... when I talk about basically the same thing about chinese/tamil languages, this is what I get: ego, arrogant, stubborn, plotek, and go back to their british masters.

Yet when it comes to regional dialect like Kelantan, Kedah, Perak, Terengganu & Pahang, SUDDENLY IT'S FINE, everyone can speak in same dialect regardless of race. No mention of everyone must speak national language pulak?????

Everyone also can speak chinese language regardless of race, no? But then you go all over the place:
QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 20 2020, 01:53 PM)
Which Chinese language? Hokkien? Cantonese? Hakka? Foochow?

What about Punjabi? Malayalam? Indigenous language in Sabah Sarawak? Bahasa Klate?
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Eh hallo, look at the area la, if majority there talks hokkien then whats wrong with learning some hokkien? If majority there talks mandarin then whats wrong with learning some mandarin? Its the same thing la. Takkan la u nak belajar & cakap bahasa kelate kat Kedah? doh.gif

Unity my ass. Common language my ass. We are so fucking proud the chinese in kelantan can speak bahasa kelate flawlessly, or bahasa melayu sarawak in sarawak, etc, yet so damn offended about talking to the chinese in their own language. Integration is just 1 way street to you


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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 20 2020, 02:08 PM)
Who? I only see some idiot rejecting the national language on the ground that mamy malays dont care to learn about some vernacular languages. It is as it should be some requirement for some of them to even learn how to speak the national language.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 09:46 PM)
And you still don't understand what I'm saying here.

It is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language means you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started?


Hence my question back to them, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

Also my next question back to them - living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation like Malaysia - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?
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So who's the idiot here?

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