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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 19 2020, 06:14 PM) Full of excuses and one word: lazyWorse that you still not realized of your 1 finger kept pointing at others (Chinese in this case), but 4 fingers pointing back at yourself. Extremist kind like you, really making a bad name for your race until to the level that it does not even needs to be stereotyped. And welcome to my favorite ignore list. Seeing another reply from your extremist kind will make me puke. Very immature reply he’s not an extremist the other idiots might be. I’m not malay but can you not see the importance of knowing the National language? Forget about other issues look at this in isolation. How is it ok for Malaysians not to be able to speak BM?
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 06:29 PM) It is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that. Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started? Please tell me, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here? And hence my question back at them - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? I can speak English, Malay and Hokkien fluently. I also speak Thai and Vietnamese well enough to get by. Is that ok for you? Why are you comparing tax cheats and other non related issues to the ability to speak BM? It’s totally unrelated. You might as well say because some people murder therefore it’s ok for me to rape. It’s completely illogical. Being able to speak BM makes us Malaysian. Other things matter as well but this thread is about BM. No need to go off topic.
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 06:57 PM) I'm just showing you the stupidity of such "if you don't know bm you are not patriotic and don't deserve to be called malaysian" mindset. Hence my question, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here? Try living in any country and calling yourself a citizen of that country who can’t speak the language. A Chinese citizen who can’t speak mandarin would get the same response as a Malaysian who can’t speak BM. Obviously a criminal is worse than a non criminal but we are talking about Malaysian identity. Whether you commit crimes or not is not relevant to being Malaysian. Language is. I think we shouldn’t allow IS members to come back to Malaysia but again that has nothing to do with speaking BM. It’s not like you will lose your passport if you don’t speak BM but I do think it makes you less Malaysian then if you could speak.
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 07:12 PM
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The real problem is the morons who ruined our education system and forced us into vernacular and international kids. I have children now I don’t want to send them to vernacular but I can’t send them to SK either so have to send to international. 20k a year for what? Because of race and religion in schools.
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 07:15 PM) As per what I wrote earlier replying to another forumer: Most countries are multiracial. How do you get people of various races and religions to interact with one another? Starts with language doesnt it? If we can’t even speak to one another then we are royally fxxked. Look at what China is doing in Xinjiang. That’s what happens when you fail to integrate.
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 19 2020, 07:19 PM) Plot twist, there’s Chinese who can’t speak mandarin in tongsan. Plot twist, they end up in concentration camps where they learn it.
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 19 2020, 07:15 PM) Urmm no. Non mandarin speaking Chinese people is everywhere. If you're in china and you look Chinese and can't speak mandarin, yes they will get weird response not because of racism or think that mandarin is great, but just because it's not ordinary for them. To them theyve known every single Chinese in their live that can speak mandarin, so they just feels surprised. Not speaking Malay doesn't make me any less Malaysian than you. One thing that's eeky to me is forced patriotism. How about those that don't like nasi lemak? Those that don't celebrate Hari kebangsaan? It's not you or anyone call to bring down another person as lesser just because he has different priority. If you tell someone to speak your language or get out or call them lesser of a human than you, then anyone with a proper upbringing is going to tell you off and call you a racist. Look at any western country. If you want to be a citizen you are expected to know the language. They criticize people who can’t speak the local language. Try calling yourself French and living in France while not being able to speak French. Why would Malaysia be any different? I can’t believe there are actually people who think it’s ok for Malaysians not to be able to speak BM. How do you expect to communicate with your fellow citizens? I can only imagine the racist Malay bloggers like papamo love people like you who reinforce the stereotype about us.
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 07:25 PM) Correct, I agree with you. So why must it be 1 way street? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours? The minority has to confirm to the majority that’s how it works. I don’t see the majority of white Americans having to learn Spanish to accommodate to the large Hispanic community. It’s not only Malaysia that has this issue you know. Like I said try going to France or the UK or the US and demand that they learn minority languages. Why would Malaysia be any different? Ideally everyone would speak BM/English/Chinese then we wouldn’t have these problems but until then we have to make do with BM.
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 19 2020, 08:22 PM) Yes there will people criticize but who are these people? Backwood rednecks racists with crazy nationalistic pride. Any decent people are going to call them out. Now bring back to Malaysia, Chinese are not immigrants trying to apply for citizenship or temporary living in Malaysia. If cannot communicate why are they doing just fine? Communication is a 2 way street la. Can you give me an example of a serious political leader who will defend a citizen not being able to speak the national language? What do you mean by a 2 way street? What language do you expect the government and civil service to speak? How do you even survive in Malaysia going to government offices without being able to speak the national language?
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 08:33 PM
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Double.
This post has been edited by mitun: Jan 19 2020, 08:36 PM
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 19 2020, 08:43 PM) we have our own AG that cant speak malay? but why are now taking ethics example from politicians? lol. i dont think any sane politician is gonna come out and say its ok as they want the majority vote. communication is a two way street as in you cannot expect one party just say say say, if cannot survive then whats the issue, people will do whatever to survive? but the fact is many malaysian survive just as well without knowing malay. same like how people say how can anyone survive without knowing english, but we have so many people surviving just as well. AG not being able to speak BM is a disgrace if you ask me. Then again I don’t think he can’t speak more like he’s out of practice. Let me ask you then do you think it’s fine not to have a National language and everyone just speak whatever they want? No need for you to be able to communicate with your fellow citizens in a common language?
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 19 2020, 08:44 PM) The Chinese already migrated here since the 1800s, if most of them cannot speak Bahasa at all then how do they survived here until this very day in 2020? And if you and your extremist kind still wanna cherry pick to insist each and every Chinese here to be able to speak Bahasa well, then as I had said before; please ensure each Malay boys and girls to pass the Bahasa exams in schools first. Malu tu dibawa diri sendiri. Hormat pula diberikan oleh orang. There is always one idiot who will enter a discussion without knowing what the discussion is about. Don’t be that idiot I’m not saying Chinese can’t speak BM I am a Chinese who speaks BM. I’m saying BM is the national language and every malaysian should speak it. There should be no doubt that BM is our national language and we all should speak it. Why don’t you learn to read before you talk? This post has been edited by mitun: Jan 19 2020, 09:11 PM
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mitun
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Jan 19 2020, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 19 2020, 09:43 PM) Stop your big mouth, disguising here with your dupe account will only show your evil intentions. Anyone can say they speak 100s of languages here. Your extremist kind better get lost then causing disharmony anymore in Malaysia. Chinese already staying here for 200 years. They have no issue staying with everyone, until extremists like you started talking hatred and spreading fake news. Get lost dupe. You’re obviously not capable of having a mature discussion. Simply labeling people as extremists doesn’t help anyone. Grow up and get lost you’re not helping. People like you will be responsible for the next race riots. Retard.
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mitun
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Jan 20 2020, 12:32 AM
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 20 2020, 12:14 AM) You think the nons will be scared off your riot threat? Bring it on extremist. And stay ignored you low life troublemakers, racist and extremist. You tak suka, go challenge the constitution to make all nons to speak fluent bahasa. Lastly I do not communicate with your kind, muka tebal like concrete kept quoting, kept posting fake news, twisting and all. Great don’t communicate with anyone except your own ignorant kind. Better for the rest of us.
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