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post Feb 13 2020, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 13 2020, 06:14 PM)
However, it's worth noting that the audio bitrate only for RTM channels are 48kbps HE-AAC v2, while the rest of the channels are still 32kbps HE-AAC v2.
Yea, a slight improved audio quality, but reduced video quality compared to other channels.
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post Feb 13 2020, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 13 2020, 04:10 PM)
As expected, the video bitrate still remain unchanged even after today's frequency restacking exercise.
Well, for a company like MYTV Broadcasting, I don't expect them to increase the video bitrate soon anyway.

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I hope RTM would negotiate with MYTV to increase the video bitrate, cuz 2.5Mbps for a Full HD channel is seriously too low, and the compression artifacts will become obvious especially when there's a fast moving scenes. I guess because if see it from far, picture quality looks "sharp", but when there's a fast moving scenes, pixelation (lots of small boxes) appear on image due to compression artifacts of the use of video bitrate that is too low.

And if you think this is signal issue, that means you are not a technical person.  dry.gif
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Does this mean it's not as good as the Rtm channels on astro and also how does this compare to astro SD/HD?
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post Feb 13 2020, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Feb 13 2020, 07:01 PM)
Does this mean it's not as good as the Rtm channels on astro and also how does this compare to astro SD/HD?
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RTM channels on Astro are in SD quality, so it's not accurate to compare with them.

The video bitrate on Astro are variable and always fluctuate based on the video scene changes and movements.
But for MYTV however, it is always either 2.5Mbps or 4Mbps for HD channels, regardless if the video is showing a plain black screen or fast moving scenes (examples like car chasing scenes in a movie or football matches in sports).

For better understanding, refer to my previous topic post here: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=94060677
Study the screenshots, you shall see the compression artifacts pretty obvious.

Note: No point complain to MYTV customer service, bcuz they don't even know what the hell is bitrate. What they know is, your picture got lots of "square boxes", then that means is your signal problem.
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post Feb 13 2020, 09:16 PM

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Is you guys sport channel working today?

My one Mytv after TV9, those channel like Okey, Sports.. show no signal.

I still watching yesterday.
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post Feb 13 2020, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(dannyw @ Feb 13 2020, 09:16 PM)
Is you guys sport channel working today?

My one Mytv after TV9, those channel like Okey, Sports.. show no signal.

I still watching yesterday.
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Read my previous posts to know why. https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=95442696
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post Feb 14 2020, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 13 2020, 10:14 PM)
Noted.

Due to previously change channel is by auto, so I aspect anything change, it will run & scan background.

I will try to re-scan tonight.

Thank ya.
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post Feb 14 2020, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 13 2020, 10:14 PM)
I have re-scan it. Those channels still cannot get. Only start from TV3 to TV9.

That means i going to miss those channel?

How about you guys?
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post Feb 14 2020, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 13 2020, 06:09 PM)
I wonder, is there anyone here, would experience issue like, previously able to receive Mux 2 (698MHz), but can't receive the new 650MHz frequency even after perform auto/manual scan?
Or, previous 698MHz signal is stronger but 650MHz is weaker or something?

Not sure if this would happen to some people theoretically, so just wanna ask you guys here.
Do share your experience with the 650Mhz reception, like does it have better signal readings or something..
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QUOTE(dannyw @ Feb 14 2020, 08:04 PM)
I have re-scan it. Those channels still cannot get. Only start from TV3 to TV9.

That means i going to miss those channel?

How about you guys?
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Have you tried manual search? 650MHz, Channel 43.
Perhaps, try relocate your antenna around and see if you can get the signal.

If still cannot, then I'll need some details from you... What's your location (city and state)?

Hope you could answer the following, to see if I can help... Are you using:
- digital TV box from MYTV brand, or from other brands, or TV with built in digital TV tuner?
- indoor or outdoor antenna? Take pic of your antenna if possible.
- If it's outdoor antenna, are you using RG6 coaxial cable?

This post has been edited by joshhd: Feb 14 2020, 08:20 PM
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post Feb 14 2020, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 14 2020, 08:19 PM)
Have you tried manual search? 650MHz, Channel 43.
Perhaps, try relocate your antenna around and see if you can get the signal.

If still cannot, then I'll need some details from you... What's your location (city and state)?

Hope you could answer the following, to see if I can help... Are you using:
- digital TV box from MYTV brand, or from other brands, or TV with built in digital TV tuner?
- indoor or outdoor antenna? Take pic of your antenna if possible.
- If it's outdoor antenna, are you using RG6 coaxial cable?
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I have try both Auto search and manual with channel 43, both result negative.

I'm using condo building master antenna. I at Danau Kota, Setapak KL. PV condo.

Receiver is MYTV brand.

Just the cable from wall to receiver not RG6, but the signal & quality is almost full.

But just the day before i still manage to get all channels. Been watching since the analogue off air until now.

How come when they change frequencies, i can't get any...

Looks like only hope the main master antenna move the direction only have chance to get back, which i don't think happen soon... sad....
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post Feb 14 2020, 10:08 PM

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Already version 2 ?
anyway , I would like to ask ,I had been searching for mytv but I can't find any episode guide at all.

It only show what is on air but no tvguide of the episode.

Where can i find the tv schedule or guide on each episode ?
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post Feb 15 2020, 02:34 AM

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QUOTE(dannyw @ Feb 14 2020, 09:34 PM)
I have try both Auto search and manual with channel 43, both result negative.

I'm using condo building master antenna. I at Danau Kota, Setapak KL. PV condo.

Receiver is MYTV brand.

Just the cable from wall to receiver not RG6, but the signal & quality is almost full.

But just the day before i still manage to get all channels. Been watching since the analogue off air until now.

How come when they change frequencies, i can't get any...

Looks like only hope the main master antenna move the direction only have chance to get back, which i don't think happen soon... sad....
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Oh? Which PV condo is it?

I think you'll need to inform your building management about it, cuz I think the centralised antenna systems needs to be reconfigured on their side (if I'm not mistaken).
If you can't wait, connect to an indoor antenna or short/small outdoor antenna. Since it's around KL area, and I believe there are many condos there has a balcony view of KL tower, signal reception wise should be fine.
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post Feb 15 2020, 02:38 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Feb 14 2020, 10:08 PM)
Already version 2 ?
anyway , I would like to ask ,I had been searching for mytv but I can't find any episode guide at all.

It only show what is on air but no tvguide of the episode.

Where can i find the tv schedule or guide on each episode ?
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This one you got to ask either MYTV or the broadcaster themselves (RTM or Media Prima).
Cuz it's not new to all of us that MYTV has some inconsistencies in providing EPG data onto their channels.
The broadcaster are the one decides to provide the EPG data to viewers.

Alternatively, you can refer to Astro's EPG data instead.
Astro's one is consistent and reliable.
https://whatson.astro.com.my/channels
Click on the channel you want (e.g. TV3), then you'll see a full complete list on the programmes that is to be aired now and the next 7 days. Pretty reliable.
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post Feb 15 2020, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Feb 14 2020, 10:08 PM)
Already version 2 ?
anyway , I would like to ask ,I had been searching for mytv but I can't find any episode guide at all.

It only show what is on air but no tvguide of the episode.

Where can i find the tv schedule or guide on each episode ?
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The schedules on the DTT platform is famously unreliable sometimes due to the problem on the broadcaster forgot to update.


QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 15 2020, 02:38 AM)
This one you got to ask either MYTV or the broadcaster themselves (RTM or Media Prima).
Cuz it's not new to all of us that MYTV has some inconsistencies in providing EPG data onto their channels.
The broadcaster are the one decides to provide the EPG data to viewers.

Alternatively, you can refer to Astro's EPG data instead.
Astro's one is consistent and reliable.
https://whatson.astro.com.my/channels
Click on the channel you want (e.g. TV3), then you'll see a full complete list on the programmes that is to be aired now and the next 7 days. Pretty reliable.
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Even Astro' s own EPG is sometimes not that reliable too for the terrestrial channels if you want to see the schedule for the next few days. However they will at least provide a schedule based on the old data in case the terrestrial channels forgot to update their schedule.

This post has been edited by shaun_kok: Feb 15 2020, 09:13 AM
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post Feb 15 2020, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 15 2020, 02:34 AM)
Oh? Which PV condo is it?

I think you'll need to inform your building management about it, cuz I think the centralised antenna systems needs to be reconfigured on their side (if I'm not mistaken).
If you can't wait, connect to an indoor antenna or short/small outdoor antenna. Since it's around KL area, and I believe there are many condos there has a balcony view of KL tower, signal reception wise should be fine.
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Huh.. even the centralised antenna system need to reconfigure?

Such a tedious work, why they do so to create all this unnecessary problem.

You know if condo, reconfigure, sure the staff have to arrange the vendor, then quotation, schedule, etc etc.. weeks to months also not sure can get it or not?

Well, my indoor antenna that borrow from my colleague already return, and he resigned. no more chance to borrow.

Ya, last time i have to pull the indoor antenna all the way to balcony in order to get the signal.

Hope they won't simply change......again!
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post Feb 17 2020, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(dannyw @ Feb 15 2020, 08:22 AM)
Huh.. even the centralised antenna system need to reconfigure?

Such a tedious work, why they do so to create all this unnecessary problem.

You know if condo, reconfigure, sure the staff have to arrange the vendor, then quotation, schedule, etc etc.. weeks to months also not sure can get it or not?

Well, my indoor antenna that borrow from my colleague already return, and he resigned. no more chance to borrow.

Ya, last time i have to pull the indoor antenna all the way to balcony in order to get the signal.

Hope they won't simply change......again!
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Maybe consider get a good antenna? Like this one, should be fine:
https://shopee.com.my/NEW-2020-!-Digita...3442.1588060687

If the signal is strong enough in your area, not necessary have to lay cable all the way to balcony. Who knows placing it even next to your TV can get strong signal already? Plus, this antenna is pretty small in size, so it's not that obtrusive.

On Manual Search, key in either the frequency 650MHz (650000KHz) Channe 43 or CH 45 666MHz (666000KHz) Channel 45.
Once done, monitor the signal readings while adjust/positioning your antenna until you get the highest signal readings possible.
It is okay if the Strength reading is not that high, but the "Quality" is better to have 100% so that the reception will be reliable and won't easily experience "pixelation".
So now you'll know which position will get the strong signal inside your condo unit.

There's no guarantee that "they won't simply change" again in the future. No one can guarantee that.
If in case the frequency needs to be migrated to other frequencies for some reasons, example when Malaysia would to use 600MHz band for way future 4G/5G services, then it has to be restacked too.

This post has been edited by joshhd: Feb 17 2020, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 15 2020, 02:38 AM)
This one you got to ask either MYTV or the broadcaster themselves (RTM or Media Prima).
Cuz it's not new to all of us that MYTV has some inconsistencies in providing EPG data onto their channels.
The broadcaster are the one decides to provide the EPG data to viewers.

Alternatively, you can refer to Astro's EPG data instead.
Astro's one is consistent and reliable.
https://whatson.astro.com.my/channels
Click on the channel you want (e.g. TV3), then you'll see a full complete list on the programmes that is to be aired now and the next 7 days. Pretty reliable.
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Thanks , as for astr0 , I did search before last year , it's not 100% accurate since some episode is the last episode , it need 3-5 days later only updated to new series.
Sometimes ,watching running man , didn't know which season or episode , hard to track since they have like 500 of episodes.
Some long run series is unknown of episode and only show their name of the series.Have to directly check their facebook and count the day they start the show vs until today.
I search around and found https://www.mptv360.com.my/ saw a schedule but I need to sign and give company number ? https://www.mptv360.com.my/sign-up/ ? It looks like mediaprime but why does getting a channel list need to sign in ?
QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Feb 15 2020, 08:08 AM)
The schedules on the DTT platform is famously unreliable sometimes due to the problem on the broadcaster forgot to update.
Even Astro' s own EPG is sometimes not that reliable too for the terrestrial channels if you want to see the schedule for the next few days. However they will at least provide a schedule based on the old data in case the terrestrial channels forgot to update their schedule.
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Last time , on newspaper , there will show the schedules show and episode list , but now only the show schedules without episode list.
Do you know any newspaper still keeps up with the mediaprime episode ?
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post Feb 18 2020, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Feb 18 2020, 12:09 AM)
Thanks , as for astr0 , I did search before last year , it's not 100% accurate since some episode is the last episode , it need 3-5 days later only updated to new series.
Sometimes ,watching running man , didn't know which season or episode , hard to track since they have like 500 of episodes.
Some long run series is unknown of episode and only show their name of the series.Have to directly check their facebook and count the day they start the show vs until today.
I search around and found https://www.mptv360.com.my/ saw a schedule but I need to sign and give company number ? https://www.mptv360.com.my/sign-up/ ? It looks like mediaprime but why does getting a channel list need to sign in ?

Last time , on newspaper , there will show the schedules show and episode list , but now only the show schedules without episode list.
Do you know any newspaper still keeps up with the mediaprime episode ?
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EPG data that provide information on episode and seasons numbers, is this is even a common practice by RTM and Media Prima anyway?
I don't think so. Particularly Media Prima, what matters them most is CJ Wow Shop more than airing TV shows to viewers.
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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 17 2020, 05:41 PM)
Maybe consider get a good antenna? Like this one, should be fine:
https://shopee.com.my/NEW-2020-!-Digita...3442.1588060687

If the signal is strong enough in your area, not necessary have to lay cable all the way to balcony. Who knows placing it even next to your TV can get strong signal already? Plus, this antenna is pretty small in size, so it's not that obtrusive.

On Manual Search, key in either the frequency 650MHz (650000KHz) Channe 43 or CH 45 666MHz (666000KHz) Channel 45.
Once done, monitor the signal readings while adjust/positioning your antenna until you get the highest signal readings possible.
It is okay if the Strength reading is not that high, but the "Quality" is better to have 100% so that the reception will be reliable and won't easily experience "pixelation".
So now you'll know which position will get the strong signal inside your condo unit.

There's no guarantee that "they won't simply change" again in the future. No one can guarantee that.
If in case the frequency needs to be migrated to other frequencies for some reasons, example when Malaysia would to use 600MHz band for way future 4G/5G services, then it has to be restacked too.
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Thanks, just not that nice & safe if I put indoor for family with kids.

Anyway, i have report to the management office. Let them check with the contractor and see how.

For RTM, i only watch Sports channel. Mainly i watch 8TV only.
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Feb 14 2020, 10:08 PM)
Already version 2 ?
anyway , I would like to ask ,I had been searching for mytv but I can't find any episode guide at all.

It only show what is on air but no tvguide of the episode.

Where can i find the tv schedule or guide on each episode ?
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Can try use the EPG via HbbTV but I'm not sure if it has the info you are looking for. What I know is the EPG via HbbTV is usually complete unlike the one transmitted via DVB-T2 that's sometimes missing for some channels.
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How do you guys properly determine the direction to point the antenna? I can't seem to get good signal in Kuching especially for Media Prima channel. Signal seems to be about 50% but sometimes fluctuate. Using MYTV decoder and outdoor 12E antenna which recently bought.

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