Some updates to this :-

1.) FIL made a slight recovery. He can move both hands but remains bedridden. Also seem more communicative but in a foul mood most of the time. He is refusing to do any PT but MIL brings him for TCM treatments. He only keeps calling me "vulture" and nothing else the times I saw him.

2.) FIL communicated to the MIL he doesn't want to die in a nursing home and would rather die at home. MIL tried to bring him home to our house but hit a dead end, instead she moved out of our house and rented a 1-storey terrace house near Tg Malim to be close to one of her sisters and checked him out of the nursing home, she did this without consulting anyone which drew the ire of both her daughters and also the 3 stooges of Team B.

3.) FIL's company that owns the piece of land is being liquidated. Plenty of unpaid creditors including IRB and the land office as well as local council. His 2nd brother is taking care of it and currently at a dead end as someone needs to cough up RM400,000 before the land could transfer, thankfully his brother has taken charge of the company and dealing with the creditors. The land remains part chicken farm, part lorry parking and a small part being used to plant chilli.

4.) SIL has decided she won't be forgiving her father, she decided that much of her life is fucked up because of his bad choices and decisions, she is still somewhat bitter she did not get to be educated overseas because the father squandered all the family wealth. She is also upset that she was made to work for free and essentially wasted much of her prime years doing stuff for the old man and not being paid for it. She isn't on talking terms with her mother either, something to do with her now having a Chindian bf, she does have a thing for mixed race men, he is a nice guy does treat her well but her mother doesn't like him due to race and religion issues. She told the mother she didn't want a share in her condo and to sell it off as she no longer wanted anything that came from her father. She still works for me and mostly lives on site as she feels most safe and secure there.

5.) MIL and wife are also no longer on talking terms. Mainly due to (2.) and some monetary dispute. MIL told wife reason she does not want the father back in our house is because he is a poor man and nothing to leave behind for her, wife told MIL she didn't need or want anything from them as her husband provides her with everything she needs or wants and regrets the years she tried to help them as it proved to be a waste of time and good money. Wife then told MIL to manage her own condo and to stop relying on me to do stuff for her unless she wanted to pay and even if I did not ask for any payment she still needed to pay. The final reason that caused the cold war is MIL found out wife is carrying a boy and a girl, wife told her mother both of them will be named the same way as our son, her mother requested that the boy follow her family name so the father can have his wish come true. Wife told her mother to forget it as it wasn't happening.

6.) Team B was given the option to buy up the house they were living in for RM550,000 well below market value on an as is where is basis, they agreed then they changed their as they believe their father doesn't have a will. They will be disappointed as their father does have a will and everything goes to my MIL. The house remains empty and locked up. None of them have visited the old man either at the nursing home or at his new abode. MIL did tell me before the start of the cold war that she will sell it as it will cost too much money to upkeep.

7.) The girl in Team C was given the option to buy up the condo for RM310,000 and her stepfather counter-offered RM250,000 for it which was accepted on the basis that it would be in her name only. They paid cash for it. She decided she will see her biological father and saw him once at the nursing home then decided never to see him again, when I asked why she simply said she only had bad vibes from him and preferred to not know who he is and said she did not want to have anything further to do with him. Money was given to MIL who is using it to take care of FIL. MIL did repay every single sen to the old lady from Team B and did say she'd like to see the old man but he is too far away and none of her children are willing to take her.

8.) Wife decided she will forgive her father and move on from the incidences that happened over the last 12 years because of him. She went to visit him before he was moved out of the nursing home unfortunately he did not want to see her and she left because he started losing his head. She hasn't gone back again as the pregnancy is starting to wear her down and she doesn't want to do any far away trips. Myself, I've long decided to forgive and forget, also during the last 12 years though for the most part he was an asshole with a profiligacy problem he did help me along the way, he introduced several contacts and sent some businesses my way, many of which I earned fairly good money off, then he also introduced me to several politicians and civil servants that proved to be very profitable and finally he also introduced me to one circle of new friends who ganged up to speculate on property as well as stocks, these are people that were influential enough that before a project was launched they could go select all the nice units or the entire block if that was what we wanted. Oh those contacts lead me to a very unusual addiction and obsession, which was money and making more money. However the more money I made the less willing I became to share it, in the beginning when I made RM10,000 from one of his contacts I'd take RM4,000 to save it and give the wife RM6,000 and would tell her to give some to her parents, I would even tell her if I knew they were a bit tight to give them everything as next month more money will come to us. However when my share of the profits started reaching RM50-100,000 I started finding it difficult to part with RM1,000 and stopped telling the wife how much I made off those deals, till today am quite surprised despite how much money in my bank accounts we were having couple fights over money at that time. I guess in hindsight I should be thankful to all of them and their money troubles, I was about to do one of my largest ever speculative purchase, I was going to go all in with that group to do a syndicated purchase of an entire block, wife said she knew how much money I been making off her father's contacts and it was time to pay tribute by rescuing their house, she made it very clear either buy up that house or if they lose it she was bringing both her parents to live in our house. In the end I bought up their house and it meant not being able to go through with the syndicated whole block purchase, that whole exercise proved to be a blessing in disguise because when the project had a VP auction units were showing up cheaper than the launching price and you could now fetch one up to 1/3 off the launch price, I'd be in deep shit now had I gone ahead. I guess in a way I should be thankful he created all the wars over the last 12 years especially the major war this time last year as without that war my wife and me won't be together today and our eldest probably won't be studying at the school she is today.

9.) Wife and SIL are on good terms. They both decided to bury the hatchet and move on from the past. They both decided to get their mother to manage the condo herself as they didn't want to have anything to do with it, told her if she can't manage it then to sell it off.

10.) MIL and me are not talking to each other. MIL disagreed that she needed wife's permission to speak to me and said I shouldn't have spoilt her till she is the way she is now. She views it that I'm only on wife's side and won't listen to any other side. Oh well, I told her I don't want to be like her husband and I am in a position where I need to act in her best interests first.

This post has been edited by BillCollector: Jan 23 2020, 02:15 AM

boss, i thought you also had a problem with your other half? why not do a double divorce?

Better these days, no plans to leave her anytime soon.

Just take note that just because ONLY her name is on the title doesn't mean the Husband cannot protest/stop the "sale" to her two daughters (assuming your SILs).

It's quite unclear, but I assume that your MIL wants to sell the condo so that she does not need to split with her husband, at least, she THINKS that would work, am I correct?

this part is fishy. why dont the daughters only gives her 400k, and the balance 200k into the mortage directly.



sell for 600k and then buy back for 600k. any point for this? its just waste of fees

This post has been edited by john123x: Oct 27 2019, 09:23 PM

Your assumption is correct.

However she said her plan is she wants to sell the condo first and only upon completion of the transfer she would start filing for divorce.

I explained it above.

She hasn't really made up her mind what she would do after the divorce.

She will only give the RM200,000 if she decides to live in the condo, she has not decided if she would.

The associated fees will still be cheaper than losing part of the condo to her husband and then needing to buy it back from him at full market value.

Not illegal per se. But your MIL's husband may have a claim for equitable interest/ownership.

Try double check; if the man can prove that he's been paying for the unit despite its titled is under the wife's name, can he undo the sale or claim back from whoever it's being sold?

In other words, rightful owner might be the one that's paying instead of the one with the title on it.

You are right to not get involved.

The whole plan reeks of deceit and any competent divorce lawyer would tear her plans to shred in a single petition. When the shit hits the fan, (and likely it will since its the husbands last remaining property so there is a certain motivation to protect it), just don't be anywhere near it.

It's a deceitful plan by your MIL to screw her husband out of his 50% share of the condo in a divorce settlement. Don't be a party to it and advise your wife to distance herself from it. She will feel bad about helping to defraud her father and it will destroy her relationship with her father. Her father will be left homeless and penniless and is she ok with that? What has her father done to deserve it? If she helps her greedy mother strip her father of his last property she will have no peace of mind.

What is the reason for the divorce? To kick him out of the condo even though he paid for it? What kind of woman treats her husband this way? Accept his largess in good times but kick him out when he is down? I can't believe TS is thinking of helping this evil woman who is out to destroy her husband when he has been so good to her by he putting a property he paid for in her name.

Don't do it TS and advise your wife not to do it. Karma will come knocking.


This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 28 2019, 08:36 PM

Hope I am wrong ....

If the divorce is not over 'the other one' what other reason can make a woman to take this plan. I am sure no women is happy to share their husband. Is either me or that one.

She does not have a good relationship with the father anyway.

Difficult to knock any sense into her head over this.

I'm not on anyone's side.

I was hoping to avoid going into too much detail.

It goes along the lines of this, he has a 1st wife whom he has 3 daughters with. Then there is my MIL whom he has 2 daughters with and there is a mistress who he has a daughter with but never kept in touch or at least not that we know off. He did provide the 1st wife with a house (a 4 bedroom DSL) when they divorced. All of them live there together with the husband of the youngest daughter.

From my understanding the chronology of events are :-
-2 months ago youngest daughter with the 1st wife announced her pregnancy (3 months pregnant) and carrying a boy.

-She told the father her husband had agreed to allow the boy to use her family name.

-She told the father the house was in bad shape and no one had the cash to fix the house, supposedly needs RM200,000 worth of repairs. Also the husband had lost his job 7 months prior to the announcement and at 47 was finding it difficult to find another job therefore had resorted to doing Grab but only made enough to pay for the car and not much else. She asked him for RM100,000 as they had debts and the debts were causing her a lot of stress which in turn was causing her blood pressure to go up that might cause problems for the baby.

-FIL suggested to the MIL they should sell the condo. She told him no as she had decided the condo would go to her 2 daughters.

-FIL then suggested to the MIL she should put the youngest daughter's name on the title that way they could take a loan to using the SIL's name to renovate the condo (which incidentally is in bad shape also) and also to pay off some debts. MIL agreed in principle as she thought it was to the tune of RM100,000 or so.

-FIL approached my SIL, told her of his and her mother's plans but the loan amount was RM400,000 so she told her father she would ask her friend who deals with mortgages on this matter. He also told her about the pregnancy. She called me to seek advice as she also wants to buy a condo of her own. I told her no condo in Desa Parkcity was so old that it needed RM400,000 to fix let alone the one that they are living in.

-I told my wife (on the basis of "I tell you a secret okay but you must promise not to tell anyone else basis") about what my SIL told me. She and the sister weren't on talking terms at that time.

-Wife called up the mother, asked what's going on why are they loading the younger sister with RM400,000 in debts. She demanded to know what tricks they were up to and how were they planning to repay the RM400,000. The mother said she did not know and will look into the matter.

-MIL told her husband she didn't want to put only 1 daughters name on the title and said if want to do must put both and she did not want to ask them to borrow money for them.

-(Claimed) FIL been losing his head and constantly quarrelling with the MIL over the past month and threatened to slap her if she did not agree.

-MIL somehow checked her husband's phone and found the messages about his daughter asking him for RM300,000 and deduced the reason he wanted RM400,000 from the condo was for that reason.

-MIL then asked the 2 daughters for a meeting told them what was happening and her decision as well as their suggestions and yes I somehow got roped into the meeting

With your permission, can I sell your story to TVB? ... But not sure how much can fetch with no ending part. Lol.

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That's good to hear. God bless you.
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To be fair, your FIL has half share of the condo = about RM400k, divorce or no divorce. If your MIL proceeds with the divorce and does not give him his half share, he can sue in court and put a caveat on the condo = cannot be mortgaged or sold until the court case is settled.

Since your FIL is bent on paying his youngest daughter from his 1st wife RM300k for the birth-name-right of her 5-month old foetus/baby-boy, the condo should be publicly sold and the proceeds divided equally between your FIL and MIL, divorce or no divorce. Your FIL and MIL should then decide where and how they will live after the sale of the condo, whether divorced or not divorced. Eg if not divorced, they can buy a RM200k apartment and live off the RM300k in FD.

IOW, best for you and your wife to not involve yourselves with your FIL's and MIL's financial and family problems. Both of you should not covet for such inheritance from them = more like inheriting their problems.
....... Remember, both your FIL and MIL are your enemies = you shuld hate your enemy, not love/help your enemy. Why help them financially by paying for the mortgage of their condo so that they can have lots of money to splurge around.? They may later turn around, trample on you and tear/bite you to pieces like wild dogs and pigs.
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P S - Your name is BillCollector, not BillPayer.

P P S - Any proof that the foetus/baby is a boy.?

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 29 2019, 10:14 AM

Wolf in sheep clothing appeared b4 my eyes. Not sure I am reading right.

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That's quite greedy of you.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 28 2019, 11:58 PM

MIL take no action, nothing can be done.

1 slap to keep the house, why not? Else sleep on street when house kena lelong.

Ask your MIL if the house was a gift to her for marrying your FIL? Tell the court then if it goes that far.

Wedding ring FIL wants to take back, ok lor if that can helps.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 29 2019, 12:24 AM

Better than those wolf talking bible verses in sheep clothing lor.

At least I know where I stand.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 29 2019, 12:16 AM

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http://www.mondaq.com/x/467070/divorce/Div...rimonial+Assets

RM200,000 isn't to repair a house, it's major house renovation at a time when her husband is jobless? Why can't people just say what they really want the money for instead of inventing unbelievable reasons?

Assuming the FIL is successful with getting a RM400,000 loan in his daughter's name who is going to pay the loan? If she pays the loan is the RM1 million condo really going to be sold to her for RM400K?

i read the whole story, and ahha, i know know whats TS's FIL is thinking.

TS FIL actually wants a son, thats why he marry twice and gets a mistress, but no luck, all girls. rays of hope come through when his first wife last daughter is pregnant (its possible a lie that its a boy, to get 300k from TS FIL).

TS FIL must be thinking, no son nvm, at least got grandson!!!

This post has been edited by john123x: Oct 29 2019, 09:32 PM

Using human to do trading.

TS might as well advice TS FIL to do DNA test on TS FIL first wife youngest daughter. if not TS FIL child, 300k gone with the wind...

EDIT: the story very complex

This post has been edited by john123x: Oct 29 2019, 09:54 PM

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Who is the child's to be father you are refering?

mistake, i will edit

Irrespective who is the father, FIL 's daughter is carrying the child. Ada sendiri punya daging dan tulang.

MIL dont buy that nonense for RM400k. RM100k still can bincang.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 29 2019, 10:04 PM

sorry i m not here to give advice.
but i want to comment that fil have to wake up, he got a rotten charsiew daughter.
better fil take the baby adopt as own son, than give 300k and dig more money later. can ask for one successful time, more times will come.

But FIL no money how? Got to do mortgage of 2nd wife property and daughter to pay instalment.

Better the daughter adopt.


How long more can FIL take care of the child?

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That plan by the FIL is already void.

AFAIK, TS's MIL is very angry with the FIL or her husband and now has her own plan. So, she now wants to sell the condo to her 2 daughters for RM600k without letting the FIL know = each daughter gets a RM300k bank mortgage. TS (= SIL) will have to be the guarantor for one of the daughters = his wife and pay the monthly instalments for the RM300k mortgage.
....... After MIL gets hold of the RM600k, she will then divorce the FIL or her husband and likely move elsewhere alone. FIL will not get a single sen out of the RM600k sale of the condo.

This plan by MIL is against the Divorce Law of Malaysia, unfair and against good morals/ethics = the FIL can easily block the sale of the condo to the 2 daughters and/or freeze the MIL's bank account containing RM600k by suing his wife or MIL in court.

The sale of the condo to the 2 daughters cannot proceed if TS refuses to stand as guarantor for his wife = daughter of MIL.

Of course, the MIL can also sell the condo to the open public but this would alert the FIL earlier = straight to court or maybe chop chop.

Best solution is to sell the condo to the open public for about RM800k = RM400k for FIL and RM400k for MIL. What they want to do with their money will be up to them, eg FIL will most certainly give RM300k to his youngest daughter from his 1st wife in return for the birth-name-right of the 5 month old boy-foetus. Whether they want to divorce or not will be up to them. How and where they live will be up to them.
....... Like they say, "we reap what we sow".

NO ACTION BY MIL IS BESTEST.

Have CASH will fight.

I do not know what proof was given to him that it is indeed a boy. My wife, my SIL and me aren't in contact with them. MIL doesn't approve of us knowing or having anything to do with them.

Billcollectors eventually have to pay bills also, no one is ever exempt from bills.

Unfortunately there isn't much I could say I told my wife please don't get involved as eventually it will backfire. She said it is her duty to help her mother.

Don't dream, the MIL will never accept the idea of living in a RM200,000 apartment. This one essentially used her looks to get into that circle of wealthy men. She used to be a model in the late 70s. Maybe I should help her out more too because my wife gets most of the good looks from the mother

Its a bit more complicated than that.

During his better days when he was doing well because of real estate development, he did some funny tricks to pay less tax by essentially moving money from left to right pocket. Basically from his company, he transferred it to several shell companies whose sole shareholder was the MIL and did so on the basis of "buying consultancy services", later on the money was combined into 1 shell company to buy 2 condos for investment. 5 years ago she closed down the company and transferred 1 of the condos to herself while the other one she sold to settle debts. No one knows what those "consultancy service" entails but there you go.

Wedding ring? That together with close to 100 pieces of jewellery he sold them off. The only ones that remain?? The ones given to her by her mother and grandmother because she had given it to my wife and my wife asked me to lock it up at my safe deposit box at a bank.

To be honest, I do believe they are using the baby to get more money out of the father else they know he won't give them anything else.

As for who was supposed to pay, FIL told SIL they would rent out rooms in the condo that would help pay but the last time my wife took out a personal loan to loan him money it ended up she had to pay it back for him. My guess is this woul

It isn't the first time he is making such an offer, when my wife had our son he tried to force us into the boy using their family name, just that I did not allow it and neither did my father.


That's some foresight there.

I can imagine what he will do if he has money now?

For sure he wont trouble existing family.

4th, 5th or even 6th to get what he wants.

I thought I would never say this, but I have seen this kind of situation before, because my father was in a similar situation last time.

What I would advise is, you should side with your wife and help her through with her mother's plan. You already know how she feels about this (i.e. it is her duty). You are married to your wife after all, and your MIL's plan does make more sense. Ideally, it would be wise not to get involved, but if you choose to do so, know that your wife will remember this and she will blame you in the future for not giving her the support she needed at this time.

From what you have described, I would stay far away from your FIL and his first wife's kids. They sound like leeches. Sooner or later, he might even come asking you for $$.

Lastly, I wish you the best in your relationships

will your wife will do the same to you,like her mother will do to her father after all this? they make you as a guarantor after all..the FIL can issue bankruptcy, and provide the proof of payment of that house, you might be in for fraud if insolvency accept the case, its one of AMLA acts.

Dont undetstand the bold part.

Who is the legal wife here?

1st wife? If so, why give a damn... just walk away.

his FIL=father in law
can file a bankruptcy to himself
when a person being in bankruptcy , all the properties in his name and his spouse name will be investigate .
if he can provide proof of payment of the house he bought earlier even it under his spouse name.

To FIL all 3 are 'legal'

Why legality when there is no distribution of assets?

Declare bankrupt and pass all money to Insolvency Dept?

No creditors to pay, then collect back money?

Whatever is the deal, I'd suggest TS to make it official in black and white form.
Meet any Commissioner of Oath to help you simplify the terms & he will sign, then the paper become legal.

The problem will be more complex if your FIL suddenly pass away. All the family tree will attack each other and it is not good for the long run.

So TS, make a draft first. If you wanna be neutral, stay out of it and suggest they meet third party/professional. If you wanna involve, but pandai-pandai, later you got yourself into deeper shithole.

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TS's FIL divorced the 1st wife and then legally married the 2nd wife = TS's MIL, who is the mother of his wife. TS's wife is MIL's 1st daughter.

So, the 2nd wife or TS's MIL is the legal wife.

FIL did not legally marry his mistress = not a legal wife.

FIL wanted to cheat his wife/MIL of RM300k by secretly getting his 2nd daughter to obtain a RM400k mortgage on the condo. The RM300k was to pay the youngest daughter of his divorced 1st wife for the birth-name-right of her 5 month old boy-foetus.
....... No money still wanna spend RM300k just for a surname.

When MIL found out about the cheating by FIL, she went ballistic and vengeful, and wanted to cheat back her husband/FIL of his half share(= RM300k) in the condo by secretly selling it to her 2 daughters for RM600k and then divorcing him after getting hold of the RM600k. If FIL sues MIL in court, she will most likely lose.
....... Why can't she just sell the condo, split the proceeds with her husband and then file for divorce.?

These 2 old folks are both immoral/unethical sinners or evildoers or law-breakers.

TS should not touch these 2 old desperate folks, even with a 10 foot pole, wrt their financial and relationship problems. Furthermore, they had done great harm/offense to TS and his 2 kids, eg nearly destroyed his marriage and family.
....... If TS's wife wants to help her mother/MIL to take revenge against her husband/FIL, TS should only give moral support to his wife, eg do not stand as a bank guarantor for his wife if she wants to get a mortgage for her mother's condo.

After this /k-drama has ended, TS and his wife should ensure that both FIL and MIL do not starve to death or be homeless because that would make TS's wife very very sad/griefed/guilty. Of course, this does not mean eating lobster and caviar everyday and living in a luxury condo. Most people will choose an apartment over being homeless.
....... Giving long life to your parents will give you long life as well = the law of ni4ni.
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P S - Legally, FIL can also divorce his wife/MIL and then get his half share of the condo(= about RM400k) through the Divorce Court, eg if his divorced 1st wife and 3 daughters are willing to take him in.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 30 2019, 03:29 PM

Pastor Money said aint no give a shit. Property in my name, I call the shot.

Hug thy money when alive, let go when dead.
Proton Verse 1.14

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 30 2019, 01:03 PM

Nice, calling your own wife a leecher

Don't sign as a guarantor unless you really know the risks and implications of the situation.

Oh trust me if he had the money the picture would be very different, this man has an ego that is bigger than the size of Texas.

What was the outcome to that situation?? Father gave in??

I feel somewhat torn on this issue, one side of me feels this is something I should stay far far away from, another part of me feels it is unfair on the MIL to accept something along this lines and another part of me feels it is partly his property too.

In the end it feels that I have no choice but to stand behind my wife as I have to respect her wishes.

Partly the reason why I was asking on the matter, was wondering what were the implications.

1st wife = "married" and "divorced" one of those marriages from yesteryears where papers weren't necessary.
2nd wife = Legally married.
Mistress = No status.

Doubt he kept any paper trail on the matte so I don't believe it will be easy for him to prove that.

Actually I have made them go see a lawyer on this matter and told them don't do anything under-table or malafide.


At this moment wife is extremely angry at the father as she views the entire episode as a betrayal. She told me she views it no differently than me borrowing or taking her money to help another woman. She couldn't care less if the father was homeless or starving. Same goes for the SIL and MIL.

As for why can't split? Well when one thinks that property belongs to her and her husband wants to use it to help offspring from another woman, I think naturally there are some emotions that will go on.

As for why no money still willing to pay that type of money for a surname?? This is something that beats me too.

She openly admits to leeching and she doesn't view it as anything amiss since she is married to me.... in fact she does take my money = her money very seriously.

Anyway we had decided not to go the route of needing guarantors.

ok that's great.

cus who know later other lady or other children come and challenge the decision. If FIL or anyone involve in this matter have Black and White, a lot of things can be saved (from conflict)

Anyway a quick update to this.

After discussing their options with a lawyer.

MIL decided to do the following :-

i) Transfer the condo to both her daughters and will remove her name off the title.
ii) She will move out from that condo.
iii) She will get the 2 daughters to take care of her finances using rental from that condo.
iv) She will initiate divorce proceedings upon settling into a new rented house.

If true, your wife can choose to divorce you and take half of everything you own but not everything you own. In this case, the MIL wants to take everything her husband/FIL owns and then divorce him = leaving him penniless and homeless. This is not fair and just to the FIL, even though he has wronged his wife/MIL.
....... Like they say, "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned".
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Your MIL is breaking the Law by thinking so. In a legal marriage, everything owned is split half-half between the husband and wife, name or no name of ownership, divorce or no divorce.
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Well, most Chinese believe in ancestor worship and patriarchy, ie a dead ghost can only receive worship and food/money offerings from his/her sons and grandsons with the same surname, eg during Ching Ming. In this way, the spiritually powerful dead ancestors/ghosts will bless the living descendants and get to eat and spend loads of money in the nether world.
....... So, your FIL is likely worried about a destitute afterlife = willing to cheat RM300k of his wife's condo-money which condo he might think rightfully belongs fully to him.
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Legally and morally, she has the right to only half your money and properties, ie half your money = her money.
....... Also, half your body belongs to her.
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This /k-drama may end up with the FIL still getting his half share of the condo(= about RM400k) and moving in with the 1st wife and 3 daughters. Something for your MIL and wife to consider.
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P S - Even if your MIL wins and your FIL loses and ends up penniless and homeless, he may decide to burn down the condo and/or chop2 his wife/MIL and himself before that happens.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 30 2019, 05:18 PM

My father gave in and did many things to help his relatives (who had really massive debts and also leeching off people) at the expense of his own family. He would spend time/effort/money on them instead of spending time with his own family. My father had the means to help, but my mum wanted nothing to do with it, and felt that my father was really trying too hard to please everyone (especially people who were being leeches). You know the saying, "blood is thicker than water". She never forgot this.

I know your situation is quite different, but the same principles apply. Stay far away from leeches (your FIL and relatives), and side with the people closest to you. You are married to your wife, after all.

This post has been edited by ghostcommand: Oct 30 2019, 09:03 PM

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Like I said before, if your FIL even gets a hint of your MIL's shenanigans, he will likely file for divorce first, ie before the transfer of the condo to your MIL's 2 daughters, and seek his half share of the condo in Divorce/Family Court.
....... If so, imagine the WW3 erupting in the condo between your FIL and MIL = your MIL may move into your house to seek refuge, eg from being slapped by your FIL.

Even if your FIL is dungu enough to not know anything about your MIL's shenanigans and not retaliate legally with his own lawyer, he can refuse to move out from the condo for some months and may do something even worse to the condo = condo cannot be rented out. What can your wife do in response, in such a case.? Get the police to arrest him.?
....... You and your wife could end up paying out-of-pocket to house your MIL for some months or maybe even forever or until she dies.

Remember, civil lawyers are only useful in cases between civil people. In this case, by the emotional(= non-rational) decision of your MIL to fleece her husband/FIL out of his half share in the condo, the problem between your FIL and MIL can descend into being uncivilized and barbaric. How would you feel if someone cheated you out of RM400k or all your money and assets after your retirement.?
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P S - Your FIL was wrong first. But he did not cheat your MIL out of her half share in the condo. He only used the condo title to sneakily raise RM100k + RM300k to buy the birth-name-right from you-know-who. Afaik, the RM400k was to be mortgage-financed by the 2nd daughter, likely as her future sole inheritance of the condo when both FIL and MIL later pass on since her name would be added to the condo title. Your wife could have been left with no or only one-quarter condo inheritance. If your FIL's plan had gone through, both your FIL and MIL continue to live in the condo like before.
....... This is the difference between the wrong of your FIL and the wrong of your MIL. It's like the MIL taking the life of the FIL for hurting her eye = not the law of ni4ni. The local police and courts do not execute robbers and rapists, only murderers, drug-pushers, etc.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 30 2019, 10:00 PM

I don't understand the rationale for this.

1. Condo is in MIL's name. She calls the shots. Why transfer to her two daughters to fend off FIL's demand for cash from the condo?
2. MIL expects her daughters to be able to evict their father mercilessly and effectively even if it renders him homeless and penniless?
3. If FIL refuse to move where is the money for MIL's upkeep going to come from?

To me it looks like MIL is unable to fend off FIL's demand and is passing to her daughters to handle the old man. They may not be better than her. Alternatively she does not want to be the 'bad guy', she wants to pass that role to her daughters.

What? You think he is vincent tan billionaire with a conglomerate?
Lmao..

This sort of FIL is a bloody joke.. if he were my father in law, I'd have absolutely zero respect for him. Zero.

(Joking) A quick solution is for TS to sacrifice himself for his wife's sake by changing his surname to that of his FIL and promising him to worship his grave every Ching Ming after he dies, with lots of food/hell-money/paper-asset offerings.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 30 2019, 10:44 PM

They do believe if he is kicked out that he would probably go back to the 1st wife's house.

Yup they are into ancestor worship which I think may have something to do with why he is so gung-ho on a child bearing his family name.

Haha... my wife only thinks everything of mine belongs to her. No such thing as half as she like the MIL they believe if they don't own everything of his then another woman can own it too.

Well as repugnant as it is a situation I will definitely have to stand behind her instead of staying neutral.

I would imagine the situation with your father must have opened up some deep raw wounds, hope it has healed by now.

You sure do feel strongly for him

Anyway just so you know MIL did tell him she was putting the 2 daughters' names on the title of the condo and only after that they would look into getting a mortgage on it. What she did not tell him was that she is removing her name off the deed as well.

He was agreeable to it and is still under the impression he will be getting his money.

As for getting him out, currently MIL has some knee issues and can't walk far. We are renting a single storey house paid 50:50 by both daughters and both of them will get moved to the rented house. Once he is out, locks will be changed and will get a contractor to start hacking to make the place inhabitable.

Once he is out of there and transfer complete, he will be told mortgage only for RM120,000 and will be told no money to give him as must pay stamp duty and legal fees plus the renovations needed to rent it out. If he doesn't put up a fuss MIL will just let him be, if he does then she will tell him the house they are staying in their 2 daughters rented for her so he has to get out. If he don't want to get out then we will find her another house and let him deal with the landlord.

As you put it earlier hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

1) She doesn't want any part of the condo to go to him in an event of a contested divorce.

2) At this moment the 3 women couldn't care less if that's what happens to him as they view it that he has betrayed them and they are basically fed up with him.

3) MIL's upkeep is mostly through the 2 daughters giving her RM500 each every month. If she loses the condo then she will live with the 2nd daughter I guess?

Doubt my father would agree to that

A decision is made after consultation with a legal expert.

We ktards here are not privilege to have ALL info so let it end season 1 with that.

The whole problem is caused by the FIL's daughter from 1st wife wanting to sell a surname for RM300,000 when he has no money and no spare property.

Cheating FIL and moving him out of the condo by deceit will create a lot of problems when he cannot get the money he expects. To think he will not to make a fuss is unrealistic. There will probably be war and unintended consequences.

To avoid bigger problems later tell FIL in no uncertain terms that mortgaging the condo to raise money for his 1st wife's daughter is NO-NO. No need to hide. Tell him they know what he wants the money for.

He will make a fuss but that's about it. The condo is in MIL's name so nothing much he can do. But giving him high hopes and then dashing it may have serious consequences.

And tell that daughter to take her offer and shaft it!

This post has been edited by Ginny88: Oct 31 2019, 10:32 AM

There are people who dont mind that when their spouse got kiss in the ass by another ... willingly to share things.

Not surprise, there are still nice spouses around.

Cant totally blame her either.

"YOU TOOK AWAY MY FATHER" ....if I cant have your love, I have your money.

FIL thought he can control the initial fire he started but the heat got too big that he needed someone now to shield it.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 31 2019, 09:27 AM

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Your MIL's plan is in effect cheating your FIL out of his half share in the condo(= about RM400k) for the lesser "crime" of wanting to buy the birth-name-right from XYZ with his half share of the condo. He did not intend to go back to the 1st wife and leave your MIL penniless and homeless if she made a fuss.

If he makes a fuss in the rented SST house, which he will very likely do, your MIL's group of "gangsters", including yourself, will throw him out of the house, leaving him penniless and homeless. Your FIL's 1st wife will likely not take him in since he is then penniless.
....... Your FIL may then sue your MIL for divorce and his half share in the condo in Family/Divorce Court.

Even if he won't or couldn't sue in court and die soon after, penniless and homeless, your MIL and her group of "gangsters", including yourself and your wife = accessories or abettors to a "crime"/evil-deed/sin/law-breaking, will have to face the consequences of your "crime" from the heavens or God, eg will be struck with cancer, calamities, etc. Be warned.

I am not biased for your FIL. I am just looking at the issue for fairness and justice = your angry and betrayed MIL should just sell the condo, give him his half share and divorce him, ... or should just accept her lousy husband's shenanigans, stop his RM300k dealings and suffer his threats or slaps. Why string him along, cheat him out of his half share in the condo and divorce him or kick him out if he makes a fuss about being strung along and cheated.?
....... It's very clear that local Divorce/Family Law says that what your MIL and her "gangsters" are planning to do is wrong or against the law. The judge would pronounce all of you guilty and redress this wrong against your FIL. So will the Judge in heaven.
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P S - Like I said before, when your FIL finally finds out he has been strung along and cheated out of his half share in the condo which he had paid for with his own money, he may lose his mind and go the chop-chop route when making a fuss in the rented SST house, ie murder-suicide. Can you and your wife handle such a /k-drama ending.?

Your FIL may also want to chop-chop you into pieces since you are the "mastermind" or financial sponsor/backer of your MIL's devious plan. Beware.!, your wife may be taking you go Holland(= oh lan) or go sell salted duck eggs(= all will go die).
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 1 2019, 06:35 PM

'God' should have created less horny mankind.

Don't expect a good outcome from this.

1) Disappointed FIL will become psychologically and physically abusive in rented house so MIL moves out.
2) FIL is unable to pay rent so is evicted by landlord and homeless. 1st wife will not take him in.
3) FIL gets locksmith to open condo and moves back in. No choice or he will have to live on the streets. If there is a tenant FIL will set him running.
4) FIL harrass daughters who are the new condo owners to sell condo and give him half as his share.
5) MIL is unable to get upkeep from condo rental so daughters face financial strain.
6) Finally to resolve the impasse condo is sold and FIL gets half.

So in the end the result will still be the same after a lot of pain to all parties. What MIL should do is to tell FIL "NO" to mortgaging the condo for finance. Situation remains as it is. If FIL cannot accept sell the condo and give him 50%. Deception isn't the way.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 31 2019, 12:22 PM

MIL giving 50% or all to FIL is not an issue if uses it for his business and to plough it back to the family later after getting his returns. All sensible wife will die together with the husband but will not die with him because of another woman.

But taking the 50% and pass some of it to buy a surname ? What happens when all money gone? When someone can come up with this reason for money, there will be many more b4 FIL is milked dry. Otherwise scammers wont have good time. If the pregnant daughter knew what the father wants, husband and wife can do it voluntary. If the husband disagreed, a mil dollar cannot even make him change his mind.

Status quo and things will be less complicated. As stated earlier, 1 slap to keep the house, why not?

By the way, me no talk heaven to frighten people.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 31 2019, 12:56 PM

BillCollector

From many years of personal observation of my family and relatives, I have witnessed how the heavens or God cursed/punished with cancer, calamities, bankruptcy/poverty, etc those who had done evil/sins/law-breaking/crime against others. A few of them were millionaires and/or politicians.
....... Do the police and courts not punish traffic offenders, convicted criminals or law-breakers.? If there is a higher omniscient power on earth, similar enforcement of the Law will happen.

MIL trembling now.

Gif 50% no cancer guaranteed.

BillCollector

If after you retired, you are in a similar situation as your FIL , eg you "love" your young 30 yo mistress more than your old wrinkly 60 yo wife(= will look like your MIL today), and your wife does the same thing to you, ie take heartless revenge on you by leaving you penniless and homeless, do you think that is right, fair and just to you.?

Don't say it is impossible for this to happen to you because Malaysia and Thailand have powerful bomohs = black magic powers. I have witnessed and heard of old wrinkly wives doing something similar to their womanising husband.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 1 2019, 06:35 PM

MIL and FIL are in a loveless marriage and on the point of divorce. If it comes to divorce the proper thing for MIL to do is to give back to FIL 50% of the matrimonial home. What he does with his money is none of her business. MIL should not try to deprive FIL of his share when it is the only asset which will keep him from being penniless and homeless.

For men who keep minor wife/mistress karma usually comes calling in old age. When children are grown up legal wife will leave him and minor wife/mistress will not accept him when he cannot serve as an ATM anymore. He also loses the respect of his children and he will be alone in old age. This is what happened to TS's FIL except that 1st wife is the "mistress" and 2nd wife is the legal wife.

There is no proper thing in a divorce esp if it involves money. If things is that straight forward, couples dont need to go to court to fight it out, even in cases it does not involve a third party.

To MIL, if FIL can win the case, she have to give but not without giving up a fight. Some people wont mind fighting a legal battle even the winning is slim. Why should I hand the money to you on a silver plate? Go to court and claim what is yours. By the time FIL wins the case, the child is oredi few years old. Can change surname then? or work out an IOU with the daughter?

In a divorce case, always engage a lawyer with a heart made of steel, no feelings and want your opponent dead!

The Q is ...

Do the plaintiff have the financial means to take it up right to the Federal court? Otherwise, take my offer for out of court settlement. Is cruel you may say, but that that none my business. Wait for god's punishment, but that is later. What is important is NOW.

Ref case ... TS Khoo KP with former Ms Msia whom she have few children with him.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 31 2019, 04:47 PM

Division of properties between divorced couples is quite straightforward. There is no long court fight necessary. Either one of two options will happen:

1. The couple work out between themselves on the division of assets.

2. If they cannot come to an agreement it is left to the judge to decide on how to split when granting the divorce. The judge may decide 50-50 but not always. The party which has done the most to acquire the asset is likely to get a bigger share.

A person here with a mini brain knows crap about Malaysian Divorce Law and talks sheeet out of his/her foul mouth.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 1 2019, 06:49 PM

If only divorce is the same as marriage vows.

it's called karma

When logic fails, god's agent appears plus the cursing on his behalf upon MIL

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 31 2019, 08:48 PM

u prob won't exist if that's ur wish

I cant answer you. Got ask higher up.

Less horny doesnt mean cannot have children.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 31 2019, 06:06 PM

Not less horny but balanced horniness between couples. Too many marriages where one partner wants it more than the other (not always the man) while the other partner thinks it is no big deal and causing frustration and unhappiness to the other.

BillCollector

If your FIL has connections to Ah Longs(= real BillCollectors) or Chinese Secret Society gangsters, who hate unfilial sons and daughters/sons-in-law who make their father become penniless and homeless(= against Chinese culture or Confucianism), not even the police will be able to save you and your wife = you may become like char-siew. Please don't be too cocky and proud. Be warned 2.0.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 31 2019, 08:47 PM

yes & No
creditors not just bank or finance companies. but can be individual also. so he can create any individual, backups by some agreements, he/she is good to go.

Is that how bankruptcy works?

According to one local EXPERT, cheaters will have serious health problems & face god in hell for judgement. If both fails, taiko will take over.

YOU ARE WARNED.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Nov 3 2019, 06:34 AM

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This post has been edited by Chrono-Trigger: Nov 3 2019, 08:47 AM

lol.

Well here's an update :-

-Last Wednesday SIL + MIL left for Bali for a break. Wife and me followed on Thursday. MIL told FIL their children had sponsored her to go for holiday and gave him RM70 to settle his meals. While in Bali she sent him plenty of photos of her having a jolly good time.

-While we were in Bali, the daughter that was expecting gave birth to a pre-term baby. He messaged the SIL and told her about what had happened and he would need to help with settling some of the expenses and he would appreciate it if she could give him any savings she had. She replied to him she can't give him all of it to which he told her even with father must be so calculative. She then told him to not ask her to choose between the mum and him. She told us what had happened, MIL said 1sen also cannot give him.

-He messaged the SIL and asked her to help him ask the elder sister for money, said if between both of them they could give him RM20,000 he won't ask them for money again. SIL asked me what to do, I told her I don't get involved in their family matters but asked her to ask him why he needed that much money as the delivery was in a MoH hospital and would be FOC mostly and better if he could itemize it. Told her it would be easier to convince her sister. She tried, the father said want to give then give, don't ask so many questions. I informed the wife on what the SIL told me, wife said no discussions on this matter and stood with the mum that 1sen also cannot give.

-SIL+MIL returned on Sunday, they found the condo devoid of everything. Basically anything and everything movable had been removed. Only thing remaining were a mattress on the floor, her clothes, some tupperwares and some useless junk here and there. Everything else was gone, even some of the lights and ceiling fans were gone and all the laminate floor boards were gone too. They found a letter at the kitchen stating he had moved out, said he didn't want to be around people that didn't want him around. Stated that he had moved to his 1st (ex)wife's house as they wanted him and took him in unconditionally.

-Wife and me returned from our trip. MIL + SIL came to our house to update us. Said he did not take any of her personal belongings. Only thing he took was the TV and the registration card of the Nissan Xtrail that is in her name. I told her just a TV only just let it be as it is a 7 year old TV and we would buy her a new TV. The Xtrail, it was parked as the gearbox is junk. The keys to the Xtrail was still in the condo. She said she wanted her TV returned to her as the TV belonged to her as she won it at a lucky draw. Also she wanted the registration card for that Xtrail, I told her no need to bother as the car can't be used and it is very easy to get a replacement. Told her most likely it was just a mistake and am sure he would return it if properly asked. She said she wanted it returned without asking.

-SIL called the father, he said got anything to say and dare to say then come to the house he is living at else don't bother.

-I told them to let it be, SIL agreed with me but wife and MIL said then we must go. Going after dinner.

Most important Q.

Boy or Girl?

BillCollector

Looks like things are not turning out as planned, for your MIL and her Team A.

Your FIL has his Team B.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 7 2019, 10:19 PM