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KennyKB
post Oct 28 2019, 08:35 PM

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What is the reason for the divorce? To kick him out of the condo even though he paid for it? What kind of woman treats her husband this way? Accept his largess in good times but kick him out when he is down? I can't believe TS is thinking of helping this evil woman who is out to destroy her husband when he has been so good to her by he putting a property he paid for in her name.

Don't do it TS and advise your wife not to do it. Karma will come knocking.


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post Oct 29 2019, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Oct 28 2019, 10:29 PM)

-She told the father the house was in bad shape and no one had the cash to fix the house, supposedly needs RM200,000 worth of repairs. Also the husband had lost his job 7 months prior to the announcement and at 47 was finding it difficult to find another job therefore had resorted to doing Grab but only made enough to pay for the car and not much else. She asked him for RM100,000 as they had debts and the debts were causing her a lot of stress which in turn was causing her blood pressure to go up that might cause problems for the baby.
RM200,000 isn't to repair a house, it's major house renovation at a time when her husband is jobless? Why can't people just say what they really want the money for instead of inventing unbelievable reasons?

QUOTE(BillCollector @ Oct 28 2019, 10:29 PM)
-MIL somehow checked her husband's phone and found the messages about his daughter asking him for RM300,000 and deduced the reason he wanted RM400,000 from the condo was for that reason.

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Assuming the FIL is successful with getting a RM400,000 loan in his daughter's name who is going to pay the loan? If she pays the loan is the RM1 million condo really going to be sold to her for RM400K?


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post Oct 30 2019, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Oct 30 2019, 03:34 PM)
Anyway a quick update to this.

After discussing their options with a lawyer.

MIL decided to do the following :-

i) Transfer the condo to both her daughters and will remove her name off the title.
ii) She will move out from that condo.
iii) She will get the 2 daughters to take care of her finances using rental from that condo.
iv) She will initiate divorce proceedings upon settling into a new rented house.
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I don't understand the rationale for this.

1. Condo is in MIL's name. She calls the shots. Why transfer to her two daughters to fend off FIL's demand for cash from the condo?
2. MIL expects her daughters to be able to evict their father mercilessly and effectively even if it renders him homeless and penniless?
3. If FIL refuse to move where is the money for MIL's upkeep going to come from?

To me it looks like MIL is unable to fend off FIL's demand and is passing to her daughters to handle the old man. They may not be better than her. Alternatively she does not want to be the 'bad guy', she wants to pass that role to her daughters.

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post Oct 31 2019, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Oct 31 2019, 01:51 AM)
They do believe if he is kicked out that he would probably go back to the 1st wife's house.

Yup they are into ancestor worship which I think may have something to do with why he is so gung-ho on a child bearing his family name.

Haha... my wife only thinks everything of mine belongs to her. No such thing as half as she like the MIL they believe if they don't own everything of his then another woman can own it too.
Well as repugnant as it is a situation I will definitely have to stand behind her instead of staying neutral.

I would imagine the situation with your father must have opened up some deep raw wounds, hope it has healed by now.
You sure do feel strongly for him smile.gif

Anyway just so you know MIL did tell him she was putting the 2 daughters' names on the title of the condo and only after that they would look into getting a mortgage on it. What she did not tell him was that she is removing her name off the deed as well.

He was agreeable to it and is still under the impression he will be getting his money.

As for getting him out, currently MIL has some knee issues and can't walk far. We are renting a single storey house paid 50:50 by both daughters and both of them will get moved to the rented house. Once he is out, locks will be changed and will get a contractor to start hacking to make the place inhabitable.

Once he is out of there and transfer complete, he will be told mortgage only for RM120,000 and will be told no money to give him as must pay stamp duty and legal fees plus the renovations needed to rent it out. If he doesn't put up a fuss MIL will just let him be, if he does then she will tell him the house they are staying in their 2 daughters rented for her so he has to get out. If he don't want to get out then we will find her another house and let him deal with the landlord.

As you put it earlier hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
1) She doesn't want any part of the condo to go to him in an event of a contested divorce.

2) At this moment the 3 women couldn't care less if that's what happens to him as they view it that he has betrayed them and they are basically fed up with him.

3) MIL's upkeep is mostly through the 2 daughters giving her RM500 each every month. If she loses the condo then she will live with the 2nd daughter I guess?
Doubt my father would agree to that biggrin.gif
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Don't expect a good outcome from this.

1) Disappointed FIL will become psychologically and physically abusive in rented house so MIL moves out.
2) FIL is unable to pay rent so is evicted by landlord and homeless. 1st wife will not take him in.
3) FIL gets locksmith to open condo and moves back in. No choice or he will have to live on the streets. If there is a tenant FIL will set him running.
4) FIL harrass daughters who are the new condo owners to sell condo and give him half as his share.
5) MIL is unable to get upkeep from condo rental so daughters face financial strain.
6) Finally to resolve the impasse condo is sold and FIL gets half.

So in the end the result will still be the same after a lot of pain to all parties. What MIL should do is to tell FIL "NO" to mortgaging the condo for finance. Situation remains as it is. If FIL cannot accept sell the condo and give him 50%. Deception isn't the way.

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post Oct 31 2019, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 31 2019, 12:36 PM)
MIL giving 50% or all to FIL is not an issue if uses it for his business and to plough it back to the family later after getting his returns. All sensible wife will die together with the husband but will not die with him because of another woman.

But taking the 50% and pass some of it to buy a surname ?  What happens when all money gone? When someone can come up with this reason for money, there will be many more b4 FIL is milked dry. Otherwise scammers wont have good time. If the pregnant daughter knew what the father wants, husband and wife can do it voluntary. If the husband disagreed, a mil dollar cannot even make him change his mind.

Status quo and things will be less complicated. As stated earlier, 1 slap to keep the house, why not?

By the way, me no talk heaven to frighten people.
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MIL and FIL are in a loveless marriage and on the point of divorce. If it comes to divorce the proper thing for MIL to do is to give back to FIL 50% of the matrimonial home. What he does with his money is none of her business. MIL should not try to deprive FIL of his share when it is the only asset which will keep him from being penniless and homeless.

For men who keep minor wife/mistress karma usually comes calling in old age. When children are grown up legal wife will leave him and minor wife/mistress will not accept him when he cannot serve as an ATM anymore. He also loses the respect of his children and he will be alone in old age. This is what happened to TS's FIL except that 1st wife is the "mistress" and 2nd wife is the legal wife.
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post Nov 8 2019, 08:55 AM

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Giving him RM20,000 is not going to be the end of it. This is like a gambler saying settle my debts and I will never gamble again.

Now that FIL is out of the condo MIL has one big headache solved. But better change the lock. If first wife kicks him out he will be back.

Just forget about the TV and the car registration card. If she wants the card go to JPJ and print out another one. I think he took the card to hold it for ransom but nowadays the car registration card isn't worth anything.

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post Nov 8 2019, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Nov 8 2019, 11:34 AM)
He is a boy.
Yes quite unexpected that they took him in especially as it does appear that they aren't exactly well off.

He also told the MIL he wanted a divorce and he has already taken what he wanted to take and from now on he didn't want to speak to her or her 2 daughters again. Told her good luck in her life as no one will take care of her from then onward.
He said he did not take the registration card. Just found it, turns out it is in my safe at the bank.

Yes we changed the locks, he returned the key and access cards which we told the management to cancel access in case it had been cloned. 

Well at the end of it I told my wife to give him RM5,000 and told him to use it to treat the issues with his knees, he threw the money back at her saying he didn't want any money from them.

TV? He admitted to taking it but said he had given it as a gift to his 1st(ex)wife. Told the MIL if she wanted it back to go get it herself as he was done doing things for her. I told my MIL to let it be we will buy her a new and better TV. She is still sulking that she did not get back her TV.
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RM5000 too little for him? It's his loss.

I have a feeling 1st (ex) wife took him in only due to the prospect of what he will get in a divorce settlement. Smart woman. He stands to gain half the condo value unless MIL can do some magic tricks.

MIL will be happy with a smart TV which can connect to wi-fi for viewing Youtube and Netflix.

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post Nov 12 2019, 03:12 PM

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FIL should have married the 1st wife. She is the one who really loves him.

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post Nov 12 2019, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 12 2019, 04:27 PM)
Traditional marriage during those days are considered legal. Nevermind, this aside, 1st wife left him whether legally or otherwise.

Which women, whether legal or otherwise can share a husband ? The minute one finds out, the exit plan will start.
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I think FIL left 1st wife for the 2nd wife and not the other way around. If 1st wife had left him she wouldn't be taking him back now and giving him her life savings.

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post Nov 12 2019, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Nov 12 2019, 01:35 AM)

We sat to negotiate. He said he wanted a FAST divorce and by fast he meant before year end or by latest before the eve of CNY. Said he wanted to be rid of the bitch and devil by then as he couldn't tolerate all 3 of them. He did not want it to go to court and said because he was offering an out of court settlement that means he wasn't contributing towards any legal fees we had incurred. He said he was willing to offer RM130,000 to walkaway, she keeps her condo, she doesn't make any further claims on him and doesn't ask him for any alimony. I told him it needs to be closer to 50% and MIL is under the impression that condo has a value of RM630,000 and she was banking of at least RM300,000. He said he could not raise that type of money. I told him to think like how my MIL would think, he has known her inside out for more than 40 years, he should know her character extremely well. He asked if we could agree that the condo was worth RM480,000 to which I agreed. He offered a RM210,000 and said it is how much his ex-wife was willing to loan him and that was her entire lifetime savings. 

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FIL is entitled to 50% of the value of the condo which was their matrimonial home. Wouldn't that more than offset the 50% MIL is entitled to for the smaller condo? So FIL is paying when he does not need to. He didn't have a lawyer to advise him.

MIL should not take FIL's money which came from 1st wife's savings. She has forgotten all that her ex-husband has done for her and is out to take him to the cleaners. She has also poisoned her daughters against their own father. Cold, heartless and vindictive. Not a good role model for her daughters.

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post Nov 15 2019, 08:22 AM

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TS, your wife really talks like she owns you. I hope it's not true.

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post Nov 25 2019, 04:41 PM

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FIL's stroke is due to being abandoned by both wives. My uncle had a serious stroke after he was conned of RM25K of his retirement fund. Mind and body are two sides of the same coin.

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post Nov 26 2019, 07:21 AM

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MIL could donate back the money FIL gave her for his nursing care. Even if she doesn't care about him it's for her own peace of mind.
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post Nov 27 2019, 10:40 AM

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TS, in terms of the relationship between you and your wife, all I can say is that you are a disgrace to your gender. If your reconciliation with her was based on your complete surrender to her control you would be better off ending the relationship.

You think there is peace now but the worse is yet to come. Women aren't aroused by men they can control. She will shut down sexually towards you and you will get less and less sex from her. To satisfy her sex drive she will cheat on you. When that happens you will be gutted as a man and your emotion will be torn to shreds.

This is female biological instinct from thousands of years of evolution. You can't fight it.

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post Jan 27 2020, 12:39 PM

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Let me get this straight TS. So the main bone of contention with your wife was the financial help that she insisted that you should give to her parents and relatives? Most wives will just accept no for an answer. It's rare to put such financial help above her marriage and breakup because of it. I hope her attitude is better now and the beggars feel guilty about causing your marriage to breakup.

 

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