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Toku
post Jan 26 2022, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 26 2022, 12:27 PM)
No problem. I think the old commission rates don't apply with IBKR anymore, so it's fine.

The funny names are exchanges actually:

EBS is the actual Swiss Stock Exchange (Swiss Electronic Bourse), run by SIX.

By the way, just curious what Swiss stocks did you buy last year? Nestle? Roche? Novartis?
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Hi TOS,

I'm new here. happened to see your posts and learned a lot. I have questions on how to select different exchange during your order. I can't find any place where I can change the exchange - EBS for swiss stock. Even when I try to find ROGz symbol which is the symbol for BAT / CHI, it returns nothing.

By the way, on the other thread you mentioned about the wise transfer issue (AMLA). I happened to transfer using Wise using MYR to CHF directly into IBKR without issues. The receipt is showing the name : TransferWise Ltd on behalf of xxxxx. So I guess IBKR will see my name from Wise. There should be no issue but I safekeep the receipt just in case.

Another question, when you set dividend reinvestment, does it apply to all stocks you hold or you can select which stock to have dividend reinvestment enabled?

Besides, where to you submit the form to stamp (Malaysia govt which department) to claim witholding tax from Swiss govt? The swiss tax on dividend is 35% I wonder how many % we can claim back?

Thank you.




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post Jan 26 2022, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Jan 26 2022, 02:02 PM)
You can't claim withholding tax from another country.. only can do so if you're a citizen of that country. Same like Malaysians how we file income tax and claim back those extra paid %.

This applies to US stocks as well with 30% withholding tax for dividends.
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Thanks Davidtcf.

According to pwc, Swiss resident or other non-resident without tax treaty - the tax withholding is 35%. For Malaysia resident under the tax treaty, it is 15% tax. Should we expect to claim back 20%?
Likewise for US resident, the tax treaty is 15% tax. If according to the other thread, IBKR might be viewed as a US broker and hence being treated as by default US tax treatment, the dividend withheld should be 15%.

I have yet to receive any CHF dividend and can't tell if IBKR is really withholding 35% or 15% of the dividend.

Thanks.
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post Jan 26 2022, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 26 2022, 02:28 PM)
Yes, I have shown you the pwc link, you CAN claim back 20% if you are a Malaysian tax resident. Just download the Snapform Viewer program and "form 60" and fill it up. Mail it to Switzerland and wait for money to return to the bank account you stated in the form.

Note that you need to pay for the mailing from Malaysia all the way to Switzerland, so if the dividends to be claimed back is less than the mailing package, DO NOT reclaim any dividend as you will lose more.

Don't forget about such frictional cost in reclaiming taxes. It's marginal benefit and marginal cost that matters here, not the absolute amount.

So, in other words, you won't get back 20% but a bit less than that.
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Hi TOS,

No need to get stamp at the back of form 60 by our local government before send back to Switzerland?

Do you also have info on how to claim back extra tax from France, Germany and Japan?

Thanks.
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post Jan 27 2022, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Jan 26 2022, 11:15 PM)

Nice information bomb! Basically for us (retail investors), we should forget about level 1 ADRs because we can only trade lvl2+ on IBKR. Aside from that, I see no difference between 2 and 3 based on Investopedia, it's basically the higher the level, the better (i.e. stable).

I did enable fractional shares at one point -- I bought some dividend stocks and got some payouts, but none of them were reinvested. I didn't find out why though....

Regarding the Wise route, I think I'll need to crunch some numbers to see if it's worth the hassle. It's exchange rate for MYR-SGD has been losing out to other fintechs for a very long time now, I can theoretically get more SGD and just do a spot rate conversion in IBKR with minimal commission.
...Say if I want to fund my account with CHF directly, all I need to do in IBKR is to change default currency to SGD, and then be prepared to answer their question about the Wise transfer, am I right?

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I entered NESN at about 100CHF, yes yes I was pretty lucky about that haha.
Mine is actually weighing very heavily on my portfolio because I have yet to diversify much, I have 5ish stocks on me, each from a lump sum purchase so you can imagine my weightage sweat.gif
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Is it true that you can't place order for Nestle ADR in IBKR? The symbol is NSRGY. I have no issue to place order.

Why the hassle to SGD? You can direct transfer MYR to deposit CHF into IBKR using wise. I have done that before.

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post Jan 27 2022, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Sycamore @ Jan 27 2022, 02:45 PM)
Too bad it is not accepting HKD now.  sad.gif
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Wise's 10 currency also not accepting CHF & JPY... Think they are smart to avoid most of the negative interest rate currencies.

Btw, I found some info on the Japanese dividend withholding tax. Without relief, the tax should be at 20.42%. If apply for refund, the tax should be at 15%. Only about 5%+ difference. Have to see if the saving out-weight the trouble to make a claim. Luckily they now have a process to send the required info via "electromagnetic method". I think may be can send email then it will save the mailing cost.

Besides, IBKR withheld French dividend at around 25%. The DDT rate is at 15% so potentially we can claim back around 10%. Still looking for the ways to claim.

Refer to below website for claiming Japanese dividend withholding tax: (Due to probation mode, I have to remove the http stuff)
www.nta.go.jp/english/taxes/withholing/Information/13002.htm
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post Jan 28 2022, 05:14 PM

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Anyone use trailing sell limit before? Need some guidance how to set one. Thanks in advanced.
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post Feb 4 2022, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Feb 3 2022, 11:17 PM)
Luckily I buy with small amount for long term. tongue.gif
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So far did you receive dividend from ROG.SW? If yes, are they withholding 35% or 30%?
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post Feb 7 2022, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Feb 7 2022, 06:37 AM)
iirc... eqqq is distributing... op wants accumulating...
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Money in your hand is always better. Your allocation at the right time and right place is much better than just blindly top up at every dividend distribution.
And the estate tax avoidance is good for long term investor. US estate tax will apply for any amount >$60k in any US assets (the bar is low). That is why most of the ETF are Ireland domiciled.
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post Feb 8 2022, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Feb 8 2022, 09:10 AM)
agree, I went and bought some SG REITs right after 2nd day of CNY, then suddenly prices drop like few %. If know earlier would have waited then come in to buy. Sometimes holding for a few days is better.. especially right after 2 days CNY holiday break at the SG stock market.

Morning and evenings are bad times to buy, as that's when many desperate buyers. If sell then it is good time. Middle of the month usually market will cool down also, as people wait for their next salary/income to invest.. most are broke that time.

Next drop for US likely in March this year, as Fed already hinted they might increase interest rates once again. Now stocks are not rallying yet as many are still in red. Good time if you want to accumulate stocks at discount.. but nobody know if they will drop further. Feds might increase multiple times interest rates just to combat inflation @US. What happens in US will affect the rest of the world's stock market.
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One way to do it right is setup your portfolio first. How many asset class you want to invest, how many % each etc. And divide your fund into multiple tranches. Buy your stock in multiple tranches and upon reaching your target, stop.

When design your portfolio you have to consider the total return. That actually includes currency exchange rate, interest rate, etc.
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post Feb 10 2022, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Feb 10 2022, 03:05 PM)
Unilever results:
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Good performance. I like your picks like Unilever, Nestle and Roche. They compliment each other well. What do you think is a good entry price?
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post Feb 17 2022, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 17 2022, 11:57 AM)
I believed in buying the best and not 2nd class or competitor. Always have been and will always continue.
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From first glance, Air Liquide ROI is slightly better than Linde but after considering the payout ratio and tax, Linde is clearly standout.
Long term compounding of the tax loss will lead to significant drag in the return.

Linde's 0% WHT> Air Liquide's 15% WHT> APD's 30% WHT of total return.

No tax > 7.25% tax > 18.9% tax of their total profit.


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post Feb 21 2022, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Feb 19 2022, 02:27 PM)
i should write uk is better than us... less tax

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I think it doesn't matter if your broker account is IBKR USA or IBKR UK, if your asset is US domiciled, it will be subjected to the domiciled country estate tax law. If you hold US stock, even in IBKR UK account, IBKR UK will keep your US asset in their US broker branch.

Vice versa, if you hold UK stock in IBKR USA account, it is subject to UK estate tax law. UK has no estate tax.

Conclusion is, if you want to avoid US estate tax, try to keep less than 60k of US asset. However, USD cash in US bank is not counted as asset. If may try to invest in Irish ETF which domiciled in Ireland that hold US asset. That way you can save 15% WHT as well as avoiding US estate tax.
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post Feb 21 2022, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Feb 21 2022, 08:26 PM)
UK is inheritance tax

keep < 60k is not an option

any cash with us broker is counted for estate tax... with uk broker is not
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USD cash in bank is not counted for US estate tax. USD cash in broker account is subject to US estate tax.
Other foreign currency is not subject to US estate tax as they are kept in respective countries bank account.
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post Feb 22 2022, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Feb 22 2022, 11:47 AM)
us law say CASH in us bank is not counted... CASH in broker account is counted... afaik, there is no distinction to currencies... whilst it does distinguish between us stocks and non-us stocks, so this omission probably imply foreign cash is also counted...because they cant be so stupid right?

you're trying to make a case based on CASH in us banks is not counted, therefore cash kept by ibkr usa, especially in foreign currencies in foreign countries should especially not be counted, because you sent in sgd to a singapore bank or eur to a europe bank...and not usd to us bank... imho, you sent it to ibkr usa and is now under their custodianship... where they keep it is immaterial...

anyways i dunno for sure... best to contact cs or tax lawyer to ask the question... with this said, ibkr uk better than ibkr us is still correct
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I think Ibkr uk and Ibkr us is comparable if your focus is the risk of US estate tax. Because it is the US 'Situ' asset that is matter. Only US 'Situ' asset is subject to US estate tax but there is exception like cash, bonds & ADRs. Below are some screenshots on this topic from Deloitte, EY, bogleheads and IRS.

The reason I believe foreign cash is not affected is because it is not a US domiciled holding. It is the legal tender of the other countries and the account housing those cash is actually resides in the respective countries of the legal tender notes. Say if you convert USD to SGD in Ibkr uk account, the SGD is actually kept in a corresponding bank in the SGD account in Singapore. So it is not a 'Situ' asset to US and is not subject to US estate tax.

It surprises me that certain US bonds is also not subject to the estate tax.

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post Feb 22 2022, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Feb 22 2022, 02:11 PM)
you are making an assumption that all foreign currencies under ibkr will be kept in their respective country... and any currency conversion means they must also make a cross border transaction... I doubt this to be the case... but fact is we don't know...

let's just focus on usd... us law says usd held by us broker is us estate taxable... you just need to check if usd held by uk broker is it the same...
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I tried deposit different currencies thru IBKR US and I got all the different bank address, swift code and account # in accordance to the country of the currency from IBKR US. It seems clear that IBKR has respective accounts in various countries to keep the currencies. You may try using IBKR UK to deposit USD and see if it provides you with a UK addressed bank or US addressed bank.

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post Mar 13 2022, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Mar 12 2022, 12:26 PM)
So far for US based stock then ibkr has the lowest fee to non usa citizen and has no more inactivity fee.

Others then you might need to check its fee with other broker.

Choose the tiered fee if low trading volume and buying USA stocks as what I understand 👀
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From what I understand , US based stock is best trading with TD Ameritrade SG. Zero fee. No inactivity fee and min balance.

For other markets, yes, ibkr has the lowest fee.
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post Mar 14 2022, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Mar 13 2022, 06:41 PM)
Yep, when I want to but for now. I prefer to keep under 1 broker for international for now.
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Depends on what you want actually. Since your original post is talking about lowest fee on USA trading, just want to let you know TD Ameritrade SG is better than ibkr. If you prefers convenience, ibkr is the way to go.
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post Apr 11 2022, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 11 2022, 01:41 PM)

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Hi Sifu TOS notworthy.gif ,

Would like to ask you why you like MSFT , AAPL and don't like GOOG business model? How do you dissect them in detail? Need to learn more from you.
Appreciate your kind sharing.
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post Apr 14 2022, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 13 2022, 11:24 PM)
New arrivals in my library today (published in 2021), very relevant to your question:

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I have the PDF softcopy (you can find it online too), can't share here due to copyrights reason. (PM if you need it for self-reading.)

Written by a former Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley investment-banker-turn-professor at Columbia Business School, the book introduces "platform economics" and dissect the business models of FAANG and Microsoft (light touch).

Hope you find it interesting.
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keyword: hype and wishful thinking ...
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post Apr 22 2022, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Apr 22 2022, 02:15 PM)
Pretty sure we'll bailed out before it does. but from now to retire still quite a long way. So i believed it's better to invest in growth stock. But i do keep a portion of my portfolio (currently still large portion) at Bursa on Maybank, and some other dividend stock. If, for whatever reason at least those money is easily cash out and transfer to your bank than to wait for IBKR. Can IBKR Transfer to Local bank using Wise?
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My understanding IBKR gives 1 free wire per month for remitting to any bank you want. So you probably need a multi currency account at your bank to receive the transfer if you don't want your bank direct convert it to ringgit.

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