Yup however there was 1 post in particular that really blew my lid off and I had to practically restrained myself from even thinking about it. I swear the words were literally at the tips of my tongue all ready to fly out.

Well the only consolation we Christians can take out from this, is to consider this a good rehash. 😂😂😂😂😂

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Mar 28 2020, 09:34 AM

of course he is trying to persuade us here.

i respect his method and i too would use the same when trying to persuade them.

yet i do know that my words will have zero effect on him unless the Holy Spirit does something in his heart and he looks for answers for himself. our words are but seeds sown, who knows what kind of soil it falls on.

aral if you are reading this, i pray you find truth for yourself, do a genuine comparison between our scriptures, you will find many parts are taken from ours but with a twist added.

ask yourself, how a book complied from writings of more than 40 over authors over a period of more than a thousand years can be more consistent and coherent than one written by a single person over less than 30 - 50 years?

for a superficial comparison i will direct your attention to a non religious website rational wiki.

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also ask yourself, when you have doubts, are you able to freely question?

we can and we do.

and more often than not, we actually find an answer after much seeking, prayer and consultation with those more knowledgeable than us. the answers may not be 100% satisfactory but it moves us on to the next stage of our faith.

keep seeking, friend.

This post has been edited by popcorneater: Mar 28 2020, 11:10 AM

Unfortunately they aren't allowed to ask questions within their community. In a previous case, legal action was taken against a man for persistently asking his religious authorities questions BECAUSE his questions weren't answered.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Mar 28 2020, 02:10 PM

You believe in dispensation of grace. I don't.

Grace has been in operation forever, including the times of the patriachs. However, God's nature of holiness does not change. Grace does not mean anything goes. Grace without holiness/righteousness results in lawlessness. There is always a tension between God's grace/love and His holiness. Therefore you will see God dishing out judgement or discipline now and then. However His final judgement will come later. That's what you are referring to. The judgement day. Rev 20


Psalms 96
3 Let all creation rejoice before the LORD, for he comes, he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness and the peoples in his faithfulness.

Yes God's holiness does not change, therefore with that being said:

Study the journey when the Israelites travel to mount Sinai. It's aperiod of pure Grace of God.

None of them died, despite sinning. They murmured and complain against God, yet every complain only brought forth God's dispensation of grace. (Food, water, etc)

It is only after when the law is given at mount sinai, they died for the very same sin. (After the law is given but before...none was given judgement)

I'm giving you something that is recorded in scripture for us to understand.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 28 2020, 12:35 PM

Well I don't.

The thing you need to know, he is being deceitful. Aral conveniently ignore scipture when it's so clear. So what is really happening is that, he's just cherry picking certain parts of Jesus's own words and ignore parts that doesn't benefit his religion POV.

He's here not to learn but to vehemently attack with the purpose to lead Christians astray. That is his only intention.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 28 2020, 12:29 PM

I'll give 1 more Scripture verse that is with a doubt Jesus is God.


John 20

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”


Jesus accepts this title of God. He didn't reject it. If he was just a mere human, he would be afraid and would say "Worship God only, do not call me God".


Case Close.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 28 2020, 12:39 PM

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Agree with you 100%.

popcorneater
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MATT.9: = Jesus Forgives and Heals a Paralytic

9 So He got into a boat, crossed over, and came to His own city. 2 Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.”

3 And at once some of the scribes said within themselves, “This Man blasphemes!”

4 But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think evil in your hearts? 5 For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise and walk’? 6 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” 7 And he arose and departed to his house.

8 Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled and glorified God, who had given such power to men.

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2COR.3: = 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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HEB.5: = Spiritual Immaturity

12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 28 2020, 12:46 PM

BINGO !!!

I do not know bro., he ought to have eyes which look only but cannot see, then Sacred Scriptures is proven to be true. How terrible it must be.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Mar 28 2020, 02:08 PM

1 Corinthians 1:18 (NIV) - For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:21 (NIV) - For since in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

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ACTS.10: = 24 And the following day they entered Caesarea. Now Cornelius was waiting for them, and had called together his relatives and close friends.

25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
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I believe we are all united by this primary doctrine which cannot be shaken across denominations.

We believe in;


Triune God, God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, The Holy Spirit, One God

Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man

Jesus Christ is born of virgin Mary by the power of Holy Spirit

Jesus Christ is the Messiah Ie Saviour of Man

Jesus Christ was born sinless and is without sin.

Jesus Christ died on the cross for the punishment of our sins And Rose Again, resurrected on 3rd Day

Jesus Christ ascended to Heavan, sat at Father's right hand.

Jesus Christ is coming again


Anyone who denies this is the Anti Christ.

1 John 4:3 (KJV) - and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

What 1 John 4:3 is saying is that anyone who denies Jesus is God, born as Man = Anti-Christ. The Spirit behind this is Satan.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 28 2020, 09:02 PM

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/lvfpc/serm...23202228401399/

Prayer of divine protection

Psalm 91:9-10 (NLT)

9 If you make the LORD your refuge,
if you make the Most High your shelter,

10 no evil will conquer you;
no plague will come near your home.


Good Day Fellow Believers of Christ,

Today's devotion, I would like all of you to pray for divine protection on your family members and your own life.

As Child of God ie, you've come to believe and receive Jesus as YOUR Saviour & God, claim Psalms 91:9-10.

CLAIM IT and BELIEVE in God's living word. Whenever you go out. Ask God to cover you in the previous blood of the lamb from the crown of your head to the sole of your feet. Pray for complete protection, pray out

Psalm 91:9-10

When you've done whatever you needed to do, come back, wash yourself, bath, sanitize, etc.

EVERY single time you go out, pray, ask God to protect you specifically from Cobid-19/coronoa virus.

God Bless

Addition:

What Psalm 91:9 is saying, make God your shelter. Make God your safe place.

Despite that you've not been perfect in your actions and feel condemns about this.

COME to God, make Him your shelter. Don't be afraid, come to Jesus, He will never ask you to go away IF you come to Him.

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Also, know that most of the Wuhan-virus deaths in Malaysia and elsewhere are old folks with underlying diseases like diabetes and hypertension. These folks really need to follow the MCO and stay home = practice self-quarantine, social-distancing and wear face mask. Young folks with underlying diseases also. Know also that chronic stress weakens the immune system = can die from the Wuhan virus.
....... So, healthy, young and stress-free folks should not worry because they won't die even if infected by the Wuhan virus, ie they will recover.

Why is there no more Big numbers of Wuhan-virus deaths in Wuhan and the rest of China in recent days.? = know that it is because the Wuhan virus has done its job in taking out or killing all those who were vulnerable in China and did not stay home or self-lockdowned = Mission Accomplished by the Wuhan virus. The Wuhan virus reminds me of the Death angel who killed all the first-born sons during the Passover in Pharaoh's Egypt. Similar to the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ to earth when all unbelievers will be taken out or destroyed by Him.

The Wuhan virus pandemic is not very different from the 2009 H1N1 swine flu and seasonal flu pandemics(= no lockdowns or MCO for the latter). It is similar to the 2003 SARS and MERS virus epidemics.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2020/...for-coronavirus - With obesity and diabetes epidemic, Mexico braces for coronavirus - Friday, 27 Mar 2020 - ''''''' Mexico had 475 confirmed cases of COVID-19 - the illness caused by the virus - and six deaths by Thursday. Four of those who died had diabetes and two suffered from hypertension - both conditions that can exacerbate the illness. A seventh Mexican who died in Peru also had diabetes. While four of the victims were over age 60, the other two were 55 and 41. '''''''

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020...-21-of-covid-19 - Man, 63, is victim No 21 of Covid-19 - Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 - ''''''' On Tuesday, Dr Hisham said that patients with early signs of symptoms should get tested and seek treatment.

He noted that most fatalities had so far been those with underlying health issues who sought treatment only at later stages of infection. '''''''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H1N1 - ''''''' In June 2009, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared the new strain of swine-origin H1N1 as a pandemic. This novel virus spread worldwide and had caused 18,500 laboratory-confirmed deaths with an estimated 151,700 to 575,400 deaths total by August of 2010. '''''''
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HOSEA.4:6 = My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being priest for Me;
Because you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.
(The truths and facts of science are also knowledge.)
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 29 2020, 12:22 PM

popcorneater

Thanks for your academically approach answer.
But the way u answer seems to me u are the moderator here.

Most christians assume one need to put jesus as god in their heart/as a belief the can u only read the bible. However, with this approach, more trouble can arise as bias can happen. Even as basic as using semantics when approaching bible verses seems not being used, if at all.

I prefer bible scholar approach such as Bart D. Ehrman when discussing about bible. No emotion, purely academic, seeking the truth.

Need time to read all post within past 2 days.

Challenge your own belief, rather than blindly follow.

My primary source is the niv bible, and i prioritize jesus' words compared to others.

Thank you for your academical approach.

caveat lector

You are implying. Then from what evidence can we conclude anything from above can be considered as god?does that include angels?

'Your word' - jesus act as a messenger/middle man conveying the father's word to the people, and it's not even jesus' words.