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post Mar 30 2020, 02:48 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 27 2020, 08:37 AM)
I did not. You did. I called Him the Almighty God.
Exactly. Son of God is to show the relationship between the two persons as you would understand a human father and son relationshsip.
Its nothing biological. 

God is 3 persons but one entity. The Hebrew word for the oneness in Hebrew is echad. Echad is a compound unity, meaning more than one.
Its also used to describe the marriage where the man and woman become one(echad).
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Then give evidence where these 3 manifest as 1 'entity'. If no verse to support this then i conclude u are assuming.
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post Mar 30 2020, 02:55 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 27 2020, 10:29 PM)
I believe he's trying to sway Christians to believe in his religion POV on the Bible.

That Jesus is only a human prophet, is not God, did not die on the cross, etc etc.

And He is asking us to read the Bible for what it is, problem is, he is not reading what the Bible is saying.

A very good example.

We know All Authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to Jesus, that is in Scripture and yet he says Not all is given.

he is contradicting what the Bible says. Problem is, he doesn't want to admit it, keeps shifting the goal post.
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Again i will not repeating myself.
Thanks to someone here compiling all my posts so u can find the evidence of so called accusation of me trying to sway believers here.

And it's true not all authority given to jesus. Do u know jesus didn't know the hour?do u not consider that as an authority?

I won't bombard my post with multiple bible verses as i prefer to go slow in understanding the bible.

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post Mar 30 2020, 03:07 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 27 2020, 10:33 PM)
Yes you are correct the Holy Bible is both coherent and consistent.

Anyone who is born again will understand immediately every word that is recorded in the Holy Bible and that there is no contradiction whatsoever. If there is any contradiction at all even the slightest one, it is simply because one has not been born again.

This discourse from the very beginning was destined to end in nothing but futility. To what can I draw the concept of the Holy Trinity on ... human beings are made of flesh and blood and of the spirit. 3 elements put together and what you have is a human being. Likewise it with the Holy Trinity ie God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, together they make 1 God. Every Christian understands this easily and readily accepts it but to him it is impossible for God the Spirit has been permanently removed from the equation and that's where contradiction comes in. The worst of all are attempts to undermine God the Son as the rightfull Teacher, just so that personal teachings can inputed either unknowingly or worse still knowingly.

We can talk till the cows come home, it ain't going to make no difference simply because we Christians have our Lord Jesus Christ, God the Son as our cornerstone, our Teacher and our Master, while others don't. Undertaking Sacred Scripture reading for him as a scholar project, in my opinion he has too much time on his hands.
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So what is your main point?

I prefer not to touch about bible being coherent and consistent as u said. Many version of bible and even it splits the follower to several factions according to their concept in christianity and the bible is the proof of it. Yet here u make the claim the bible is consistent.

Any bible verse to support your claim these 3 gods manifest as 1 'God'?
It is not a simple question, in fact if i try to ask 10 Christian followers and
I get 10 different answers, i won't be surprised.

Read the bible and understand it takes a long time, especially when it comes to language difference, translations, and to understand semantics of the jews at that time. U read, then u will have the knowledge, then u will have the belief. Not the other way around where some Christian followers assume one needs to have faith first then he can only read the bible.

Do u know how simple is the concept of god as explained by jesus?
It's even shorter than the one in your reply.
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post Mar 30 2020, 03:09 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 28 2020, 12:00 PM)
Unfortunately they aren't allowed to ask questions within their community. In a previous case, legal action was taken against a man for persistently asking his religious authorities questions BECAUSE his questions weren't answered.
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U mean in islam?
Is this a case or from islamic teachings?
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post Mar 30 2020, 03:11 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 28 2020, 12:05 PM)
You believe in dispensation of grace. I don't.

Grace has been in operation forever, including the times of the patriachs. However, God's nature of holiness does not change. Grace does not mean anything goes. Grace without holiness/righteousness results in lawlessness. There is always a tension between God's grace/love and His holiness. Therefore you will see God dishing out judgement or discipline now and then. However His final judgement will come later. That's what you are referring to. The judgement day. Rev 20
Psalms 96
3 Let all creation rejoice before the LORD, for he comes, he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness and the peoples in his faithfulness.
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True.
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post Mar 30 2020, 03:15 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 28 2020, 12:23 PM)
Well I don't.

The thing you need to know, he is being deceitful. Aral conveniently ignore scipture when it's so clear. So what is really happening is that, he's just cherry picking certain parts of Jesus's own words and ignore parts that doesn't benefit his religion POV.

He's here not to learn but to vehemently attack with the purpose to lead Christians astray. That is his only intention.
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I'm here not asking to be respected.
Again i wont repeat my post answering same statement/accusation from u.
Unless u want to discuss about verses in bible, i will respect it by giving a proper reply.

So, any verse in bible showing anyone/anything greater/more authority than the father?
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post Mar 30 2020, 03:17 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 28 2020, 12:38 PM)
I'll give 1 more Scripture verse that is with a doubt Jesus is God.
John 20

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Jesus accepts this title of God. smile.gif He didn't reject it. If he was just a mere human, he would be afraid and would say "Worship God only, do not call me God".
Case Close.
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Some christian scholar give opinion of it was an expression. Just like when u are surprised and u shout "jesus!".



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post Mar 30 2020, 03:23 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 28 2020, 08:55 PM)
I believe we are all united by this primary doctrine which cannot be shaken across denominations.

We believe in;
Triune God, God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, The Holy Spirit, One God

Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man

Jesus Christ is born of virgin Mary by the power of Holy Spirit

Jesus Christ is the Messiah Ie Saviour of Man

Jesus Christ was born sinless and is without sin.

Jesus Christ died on the cross for the punishment of our sins And Rose Again, resurrected on 3rd Day

Jesus Christ ascended to Heavan, sat at Father's right hand.

Jesus Christ is coming again
Anyone who denies this is the Anti Christ.

1 John 4:3 (KJV) - and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

What 1 John 4:3 is saying is that anyone who denies Jesus is God, born as Man = Anti-Christ. The Spirit behind this is Satan.
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Did the god dies in the cross?
Who ever said yes, then it is already contradict the bible itself.

Do u know how many meanings can be use to describe 'the spirit'?
It is the same for 'son of god', 'lord', 'the word'.

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 29 2020, 12:16 PM)
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Also, know that most of the Wuhan-virus deaths in Malaysia and elsewhere are old folks with underlying diseases like diabetes and hypertension. These folks really need to follow the MCO and stay home = practice self-quarantine, social-distancing and wear face mask. Young folks with underlying diseases also. Know also that chronic stress weakens the immune system = can die from the Wuhan virus.
....... So, healthy, young and stress-free folks should not worry because they won't die even if infected by the Wuhan virus, ie they will recover.

Why is there no more Big numbers of Wuhan-virus deaths in Wuhan and the rest of China in recent days.? = know that it is because the Wuhan virus has done its job in taking out or killing all those who were vulnerable in China and did not stay home or self-lockdowned = Mission Accomplished by the Wuhan virus. The Wuhan virus reminds me of the Death angel who killed all the first-born sons during the Passover in Pharaoh's Egypt. Similar to the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ to earth when all unbelievers will be taken out or destroyed by Him.

The Wuhan virus pandemic is not very different from the 2009 H1N1 swine flu and seasonal flu pandemics(= no lockdowns or MCO for the latter). It is similar to the 2003 SARS and MERS virus epidemics.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2020/...for-coronavirus - With obesity and diabetes epidemic, Mexico braces for coronavirus - Friday, 27 Mar 2020 - ''''''' Mexico had 475 confirmed cases of COVID-19 - the illness caused by the virus - and six deaths by Thursday. Four of those who died had diabetes and two suffered from hypertension - both conditions that can exacerbate the illness. A seventh Mexican who died in Peru also had diabetes. While four of the victims were over age 60, the other two were 55 and 41. '''''''

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020...-21-of-covid-19 - Man, 63, is victim No 21 of Covid-19 -    Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 - ''''''' On Tuesday, Dr Hisham said that patients with early signs of symptoms should get tested and seek treatment.

He noted that most fatalities had so far been those with underlying health issues who sought treatment only at later stages of infection. '''''''


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H1N1 - ''''''' In June 2009, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared the new strain of swine-origin H1N1 as a pandemic. This novel virus spread worldwide and had caused 18,500 laboratory-confirmed deaths with an estimated 151,700 to 575,400 deaths total by August of 2010. '''''''
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HOSEA.4:6 = My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being priest for Me;
Because you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.

(The truths and facts of science are also knowledge.)
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Ger your health fact correct bro.
2/3 of the death is really as what u described.

But this covid still can be fatal to anyone.
I would treat it as dengue case - no preference, any case can be fatal.
Some cases only need 2 days from beginning of the symptoms till death.

And u can blame WHO politics in this too.
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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 30 2020, 02:46 AM)
You are implying. Then from what evidence can we conclude anything from above can be considered as god?does that include angels?

'Your word' - jesus act as a messenger/middle man conveying the father's word to the people, and it's not even jesus' words.
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John 18:36-37 (NIV) - Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place." "You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."


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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 30 2020, 02:55 AM)
Again i will not repeating myself.
Thanks to someone here compiling all my posts so u can find the evidence of so called accusation of me trying to sway believers here.

And it's true not all authority given to jesus. Do u know jesus didn't know the hour?do u not consider that as an authority?

I won't bombard my post with multiple bible verses as i prefer to go slow in understanding the bible.
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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 30 2020, 03:15 AM)
I'm here not asking to be respected.
Again i wont repeat my post answering same statement/accusation from u.
Unless u want to discuss about verses in bible, i will respect it by giving a proper reply.

So, any verse in bible showing anyone/anything greater/more authority than the father?
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It's Jesus own word

Matthew 28:18 (NIV) - Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Do you deny what Jesus says? The word ALL is there.

Yes you are swaying because you are contradicting the Bible, this is one of them.

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This is to show there is distinction. 3 persons of God. Yet 1 God.

The problem why you are unable to understand this is because you put God under limitation or it's impossible.

To me this is possible, just proves God is indeed God. It's the same mystery with "Eternal" very hard for the human mind to grasp this.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 28 2020, 12:18 PM)
Yes God's holiness does not change, therefore with that being said:

Study the journey when the Israelites travel to mount Sinai. It's aperiod of pure Grace of God.

None of them died, despite sinning. They murmured and complain against God, yet every complain only brought forth God's dispensation of grace. (Food, water, etc)

It is only after when the law is given at mount sinai, they died for the very same sin. (After the law is given but before...none was given judgement)

I'm giving you something that is recorded in scripture for us to understand.
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Sorry

After the Law was given, ISRAEL WAS JUDGED. They were given to captivity as they disobeyed God.

Let me give you one example. David was after the law.

45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.

Favour in English is used interchangeably with grace. In Hebrew and Greek, the word is the same.

So No. God's character does not change. His Holiness emits grace to sinners, which from Adam to me, WE ARE.

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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 30 2020, 02:48 AM)
Then give evidence where these 3 manifest as 1 'entity'. If no verse to support this then i conclude u are assuming.
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12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.

15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.

16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 30 2020, 03:17 AM)
Some christian scholar give opinion of it was an expression. Just like when u are surprised and u shout "jesus!".
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If you claim to know the Bible, you should also know, we Christians don't express in such a way because we do not take the name of our God in vain.
Don't equate this as what you see on TV or movie.


Err, Nope...Jesus's reply to Thomas confirms the death and resurrection, as Christ tells him to put his finger at his hand and at the side, where it was nailed and speared.

Thomas respond only confirms that Jesus is indeed Lord and God.
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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 30 2020, 03:23 AM)
Did the god dies in the cross?
Who ever said yes, then it is already contradict the bible itself.

Do u know how many meanings can be use to describe 'the spirit'?
It is the same for 'son of god', 'lord', 'the word'.
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Jesus own word, read it.

Luke 24: 46-48 (NIV)

46 And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things.

see thew word dead? and rise?
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 30 2020, 02:08 PM)
Sorry

After the Law was given, ISRAEL WAS JUDGED.  They were given to captivity as they disobeyed God. 

Let me give you one example.  David was after the law.

45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.

Favour in English is used interchangeably with grace. In Hebrew and Greek, the word is the same.

So No. God's character does not change. His Holiness emits grace to sinners, which from Adam to me, WE ARE.
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So you agree that God's character does not change..you also agree during the period of God's grace there was no judgement against Israel travelling to mount Sinai, it is only after the law was given they were condemned by the law.

Christians are no longer under the law.

Romans 6.14 (NIV) - For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 7:6 (NIV) - But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the Law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

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So you agree that God's character does not change..you also agree during the period of God's grace there was no judgement against Israel before mount Sinai, it is only after the law was given they were condemned by the law.

Christians are no longer under the law.

Romans 6.14 (NIV) - For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 7:6 (NIV) - But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the Law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
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I did not agree to your dispensation.
Bear in mind who died worshipping the molten calf. Before the Law?

I just showed you DAVID, who was after the Law was given found grace in God. AND that was before Jesus.

SO when was your dispensation of grace supposed to be?

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 30 2020, 02:42 PM)
I did not agree to your dispensation.
Bear in mind who died worshipping the molten calf. Before the Law?

I just showed you DAVID, who was after the Law was given found grace in God. AND that was before Jesus.

SO when was your dispensation of grace supposed to be?
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Calm down.

Er...the Golden Calf is immediately after the Law was given.

Which actually supports what Ive been sharing all along.

The Law triggers sin.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 30 2020, 02:46 PM)
Calm down.

Er...the Golden Calf is immediately after the Law was given.

Which actually supports what Ive been sharing all along.

The Law triggers sin.
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The Law has NOT been read to the Israelites yet.

You keep supporting yourself. Not scriptures.

When was/is your dispensation of grace? Please define this.

Law defines sin. It does not TRIGGER sin.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 30 2020, 02:48 PM)
The Law has NOT been read to the Israelites yet. 

You keep supporting yourself. Not scriptures.

When was/is your dispensation of grace?  Please define this.

Law defines sin. It does not TRIGGER sin.
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When first homicide recorded in bible, there is no mose law

When the forbidden fruit is eaten, there is no mose law

People forget god is of infinite justice, He is the law by nature
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