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 LYN Christian Fellowship Thread Ver 15

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post Mar 24 2020, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(popcorneater @ Mar 23 2020, 11:23 AM)
have any of you read their scripture?

i have done about a third of it.
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QUOTE(popcorneater @ Mar 23 2020, 12:01 PM)
it is to understand their frame of mind.

only then we can give them answers that will challenge them to thinknfor themselves
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Imagine a Christian like yourself, going into a Muslim Fellowship forum thread and starts alluding to the Muslim forummers there that Muhammad was a false prophet by quoting the Quran and ignores most of the Muslims' arguments, points and quotes from the Quran.

To me, such a Christian is being self-righteous, impulsive, disrespectful and disruptive, and the same for a Muslim doing something similar in a Christian Fellowship forum thread.
....... And in Malaysia, the Christian will likely be arrested and charged in court for proselytizing to Muslims and for insulting Prophet Muhammad and Islam, but not the same for a Muslim who has proselytized to Christians and insulted Prophet Jesus Christ and Christianity, ie unlikely to be charged in court.
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post Mar 24 2020, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 24 2020, 12:03 PM)
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Imagine a Christian like yourself, going into a Muslim Fellowship forum thread and starts alluding to the Muslim forummers there that Muhammad was a false prophet by quoting the Quran and ignores most of the Muslims' arguments, points and quotes from the Quran.

To me, such a Christian is being self-righteous, impulsive, disrespectful and disruptive, and the same for a Muslim doing something similar in a Christian Fellowship forum thread.
....... And in Malaysia, the Christian will likely be arrested and charged in court for proselytizing to Muslims and for insulting Prophet Muhammad and Islam, but not the same for a Muslim who has proselytized to Christians and insulted Prophet Jesus Christ and Christianity, ie unlikely to be charged in court.
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its actually to be able to answer them when they come to places like this

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post Mar 24 2020, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 23 2020, 11:53 PM)
-jesus receive glory from the father, and also authority as i said before, all miracles can only be done with the father's permission (authority)
-'union' between jesus and the father (the only true god) did not make jesus a god. Union here described as same belief

Why did u quote verses showing jesus had to ask the father for help?
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Simple Answer, A Human prophet are never given "ALL" Authority. They are only given partial as evident in the Old Testament. They exhibited part of God's miracle..whichever that is granted.

But only Christ Jesus time and time again recorded in the Bible has been given complete Glory and Authority.

Only God has "ALL Authority. smile.gif

Read the verses as stated.
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post Mar 24 2020, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(popcorneater @ Mar 24 2020, 12:12 PM)
its actually to be able to answer them when they come to places like this
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It's pointless and fruitless for a Christian like yourself, to answer a Muslim like aral3005, who comes to a Christian Fellowship forum thread to insult Prophet Jesus Christ and Christianity, and to proselytize to Christians(by trying to show they are wrong in their beliefs).

Also, such a Muslim is not interested in your answers because you have inferior knowledge in the Quran and hadiths.
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post Mar 24 2020, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 24 2020, 12:18 AM)
If 'the lord' here refer to jesus, then jesus himslef said this in luke 18:19
“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone

One thing i cant understand is, do the christian follower read the bible before believing, or speak or giving statement?cz mostly the bible itself that contradict their understanding.

Bro, the trinity/triune is already an extrabiblical concept/doctrine as u can found in christian history
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Because that young Rich ruler asked Christ Jesus what must one do to enter Heaven? Christ has repeatedly spread the Gospel, He is the only way to God. (John 14:6)

The young rich rule thought by doing something (own performance), one gets to enter Heaven.

The Gospel is that one has to believe Jesus is the Son of God..ie God and is the saviour of Mankind.



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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 24 2020, 12:12 AM)
I will stop if this is not the place to discuss it as i myself as an outsider found this thread is the most suitable place to talk about christianity.

Like i said before, if u treat this thread as an online church, i will stop, it's as easy as that.
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This place is a fellowship and gathering of Christians. Here we share scripture believes to encourage one another. Yes it is Church. Church does not mean the building, it means a gathering of Christians. Yes in a way it is an online church.

I believe you are here to try to convince us Christians, our scripture is wrong according to your teacher Zakir Naik. smile.gif

I know this in the spirit.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 24 2020, 12:03 PM)
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Imagine a Christian like yourself, going into a Muslim Fellowship forum thread and starts alluding to the Muslim forummers there that Muhammad was a false prophet by quoting the Quran and ignores most of the Muslims' arguments, points and quotes from the Quran.

To me, such a Christian is being self-righteous, impulsive, disrespectful and disruptive, and the same for a Muslim doing something similar in a Christian Fellowship forum thread.
....... And in Malaysia, the Christian will likely be arrested and charged in court for proselytizing to Muslims and for insulting Prophet Muhammad and Islam, but not the same for a Muslim who has proselytized to Christians and insulted Prophet Jesus Christ and Christianity, ie unlikely to be charged in court.
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It's deceptive.



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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 24 2020, 12:19 AM)
U mean injil?gospel of jesus right?
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Depends what's your definition of injil. We have 4 Gospels in the Bible, written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.
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post Mar 25 2020, 04:27 PM

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Example of non-Muslim vs Muslim heated debate at RWI section. .......
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4929192#bottom
QUOTE(matheism @ Mar 25 2020 @ 01:29 AM)
mitun @ Mar 25 2020, 01:38 AM]
So you're saying the Prophet says it is HALAL to make ZINA (fornication)!?

Which Ulama says this?
I found that you're insulting our Prophet Muhammad, and perhaps should lodge a police report etc... through online biggrin.gif
QUOTE(mitun @ Mar 25 2020 @ 01:38 AM)
If you threaten me again I will report you for deviant teaching. I am quoting Hadith you are making up shit and you are a liar. This is a forum for open debate.

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Non-Muslim 'matheism' was likely posting from outside Malaysia, hence his "fearlessness" and "confidence", eg from Singapore or Indonesia.
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post Mar 25 2020, 11:40 PM

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Hi fellow Christians,

let us discuss about the End Time.

You guys feeling it?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 26 2020, 12:40 AM)
Hi fellow Christians,

let us discuss about the End Time.

You guys feeling it?
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well..end time is near..but how soon?
yupe..signs are coming...but we dont know when it will happen..
how about the mark for trade? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(sunami @ Mar 26 2020, 09:10 AM)
well..end time is near..but how soon?
yupe..signs are coming...but we dont know when it will happen..
how about the mark for trade?  hmm.gif
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This virus is a world pandemic. For something this disastrous, can only mean the devil is usually behind it.

I can't remember if the last pandemic in history was this bad...meaning it affected worldwide lives and in turn effects trading.

I don't remember.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 26 2020, 10:31 AM)
This virus is a world pandemic. For something this disastrous, can only mean the devil is usually behind it.

I can't remember if the last pandemic in history was this bad...meaning it affected worldwide lives and in turn effects trading.

I don't remember.
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TBH..more will come...i feel this is just the beginning...

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Well, the four horses has been running since the Lord's ascension .... it will be intensified.
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post Mar 26 2020, 10:48 AM

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There will be a 5th seal and the 6th seal...Where there will be a great Earthquacke, not just any normal earthquake.


Then there's the 1st beast and the 2nd beast, 2nd beast instiuting the mark to allow trading.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 26 2020, 11:48 AM)
There will be a 5th seal and the 6th seal...Where there will be a great Earthquacke, not just any normal earthquake.
Then there's the 1st beast and the 2nd beast, 2nd beast instiuting the mark to allow trading.
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1st to 4th seal is about famine?
means that will be four waves all together?

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 26 2020, 09:31 AM)
This virus is a world pandemic. For something this disastrous, can only mean the devil is usually behind it.

I can't remember if the last pandemic in history was this bad...meaning it affected worldwide lives and in turn effects trading.

I don't remember.
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Not everything seemingly bad is from the devil.

It may be judgement from the Lord. Looking at the world and even so called Christian churches, holiness and righteousness has gone out of the window.
Its a wake up call to all of us, Christian groups included.
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Mar 24 2020, 03:50 AM)
Hi again friend,

I find your reading of the bible verses seriously biased against the plain meaning of the text.
Re-read the text again.

The plain meaning here:
1) Jesus did not say He is NOT good
2) Jesus did not say He is NOT God.

If you say Jesus was denying His divinity in these verses, you are putting your own interpretation into it.

You see how biased one can be in reading a text?

We call this eisegesis. Reading your own interpretation into the text.
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It's a bit difficult when I'm replying to a person specific post then suddenly someone else replying to my response.

Someone here say jesus is good, but in the bible jesus question those who called him good.

As i say before, most verses have clear meaning, and some may have various way to interpret it.
U can prove to me if jesus say something contradict to what I'm saying, and i can show it to u if what u said may contradict with what the bible stated.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 24 2020, 08:33 AM)
Read properly.  cool2.gif
Your little god died. My God Almighty has no beginning and no end. To die is human. To shed blood is human.
Hi. Have you heard of Jewish style of discourse? Its answering a question with a question.
In fact, Jesus was indicating that the ruler was right. He was right to call him God.
Please do not read everything in Hellenistic English understanding. The scriptures were written with a Jewish culture with lots of Hebraism and idioms.

The triune compositon of God is already found in the old testament. Lots of it. IF you seek to understand it in the Hebrew context.
Also, the multipilicity of the God found in the old testament has always astonished Jewish teachers.
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Why u called jesus as 'little god'.

Yes, it's written in jewish culture/language, as i try to state that 'son of god' does not mean literally the god have son, or daughter, it's an expression of a believer.

The surely u can show me where the god manifest as 1 person/being from the scripture?
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 24 2020, 12:03 PM)
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Imagine a Christian like yourself, going into a Muslim Fellowship forum thread and starts alluding to the Muslim forummers there that Muhammad was a false prophet by quoting the Quran and ignores most of the Muslims' arguments, points and quotes from the Quran.

To me, such a Christian is being self-righteous, impulsive, disrespectful and disruptive, and the same for a Muslim doing something similar in a Christian Fellowship forum thread.
....... And in Malaysia, the Christian will likely be arrested and charged in court for proselytizing to Muslims and for insulting Prophet Muhammad and Islam, but not the same for a Muslim who has proselytized to Christians and insulted Prophet Jesus Christ and Christianity, ie unlikely to be charged in court.
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True.

I do believe if u approach any human with manner and knowledge, surely there will be a good discussion and sharing.

But if u do approach with emotion, own interpretation without even csn give an evidence, let alone try to listen to others expalanation, the discussion will just be a bashing place.

I think the best if we compare our nation with indonesia.

In your opinion, do i look like try to proselytizing in this thread?

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