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SUSlurkingaround
post Apr 5 2020, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020 @ 03:00 PM)
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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2020/...for-coronavirus -  With obesity and diabetes epidemic, Mexico braces for coronavirus - Friday, 27 Mar 2020
''''''' Mexico had 475 confirmed cases of COVID-19 - the illness caused by the virus - and six deaths by Thursday. Four of those who died had diabetes and two suffered from hypertension - both conditions that can exacerbate the illness. A seventh Mexican who died in Peru also had diabetes. While four of the victims were over age 60, the other two were 55 and 41. '''''''

Most of those who died from the Wuhan virus/Covid-19 had underlying diseases, especially diabetes and hypertension. Type-2 diabetes is often caused by a lifestyle of laziness and/or gluttony. Hypertension is often caused by a lifestyle of gluttony for meat or foods high in cholesterol(= sticky stuffs). So, these deaths may likely be a case of 'you reap what you sow' or 'karma is a bitch' or padan muka. .......

PROV.19 & 23: = 19:15 Laziness casts one into a deep sleep,
And an idle person will suffer hunger.

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He who keeps the commandment keeps his soul,
But he who is careless of his ways will die.

23:20
Do not mix with winebibbers,
Or with gluttonous eaters of meat;


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 5 2020, 04:06 PM)
You cannot say that. You wouldn't know what actually happened. Nobody knows..only God knows.

Can you stop being so ..........mean to other people? Don't say things like padan muka or the B word... when we don't know what actually happened?

This is not Christ like.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/s...rma-is-a-bitch/ - KARMA IS A BITCH - Shweta Sehgal - February 24, 2018

https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2018/1/26/169...kreayshawn-meme - The best memes are nonsense and I love ‘karma is a bitch’ - It doesn’t have to hold together to be funny - By Kaitlyn Tiffany@kait_tiffany Jan 26, 2018


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I think the word 'bitch' is only offensive if directed at women, ie not offensive if directed at a dog and karma. Hence, publications do use 'karma is a bitch'.

Padan muka is same as just desserts.

Seems, quite a number of word police officers or legalists on the Internet.

Good day.
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post Apr 5 2020, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020, 05:37 PM)
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At ACTS.5, the apostle Peter knew Ananias and Sapphira, the married couple, by name = he was acquainted with them = they were not strangers to Peter. From this, logically, Ananias and Sapphira were not unbelievers.

Peter accused Ananias of lying to the Holy Spirit of God. Why would Peter do so if Ananias was an unbeliever, ie did not believe in Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit.? IOW, technically-speaking, unbelievers could not lie to the Holy Spirit of God. It's like accusing an atheist of lying to God. So, it might have been unjust for God to judge and kill Ananias and Sapphira for lying to His Spirit if they were not believers.

And why would the early Church believers feared greatly if God killed unbelievers for lying to Him/His Spirit since "good" believers would not have lied(= not killed by God), ie only  evil unbelievers would have lied(= killed by God), as per your interpretation.?
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Maybe this can help.

In Acts 4:32, it says "All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had"

Very likely Ananias and Sapphira were not part of the believers else they would have the same One Heart and gladly shared everything they had. Peter mention about Satan and heart though.

Maybe this can be seen as cruel but God protects his church. If anyone is out to deceive, we need to really be careful with such people, we don't know what's next.

In fact I would be glad that God protects his own.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020, 06:21 PM)
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/s...rma-is-a-bitch/ - KARMA IS A BITCH - Shweta Sehgal - February 24, 2018

https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2018/1/26/169...kreayshawn-meme - The best memes are nonsense and I love ‘karma is a bitch’ - It doesn’t have to hold together to be funny - By Kaitlyn Tiffany@kait_tiffany Jan 26, 2018


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I think the word 'bitch' is only offensive if directed at women, ie not offensive if directed at a dog and karma. Hence, publications do use 'karma is a bitch'.

Padan muka is same as just desserts.

Seems, quite a number of word police officers or legalists on the Internet.

Good day.
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I know what you're trying to say, but it's a rude word lah.

We need to either reduce it or stop it completely if can.

Best is to stop it completely..I know easier said than done but just submit to Holy Spirit.
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post Apr 5 2020, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020 @ 05:37 PM)
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At ACTS.5, the apostle Peter knew Ananias and Sapphira, the married couple, by name = he was acquainted with them = they were not strangers to Peter. From this, logically, Ananias and Sapphira were not unbelievers.

Peter accused Ananias of lying to the Holy Spirit of God. Why would Peter do so if Ananias was an unbeliever, ie did not believe in Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit.? IOW, technically-speaking, unbelievers could not lie to the Holy Spirit of God. It's like accusing an atheist of lying to God. So, it might have been unjust for God to judge and kill Ananias and Sapphira for lying to His Spirit if they were not believers.

And why would the early Church believers feared greatly if God killed unbelievers for lying to Him/His Spirit since "good" believers would not have lied(= not killed by God), ie only  evil unbelievers would have lied(= killed by God), as per your interpretation.?
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Good day.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 5 2020, 06:38 PM)
Maybe this can help.

In Acts 4:32, it says "All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had"

Very likely Ananias and Sapphira were not part of the believers else they would have the same One Heart and gladly shared everything they had. Peter mention about Satan and heart though.

Maybe this can be seen as cruel but God protects his church. If anyone is out to deceive, we need to really be careful with such people, we don't know what's next.

In fact I would be glad that God protects his own.
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ACTS.4 & 5 = 4:32 Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. 33 And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. 34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, 35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.
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5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. 2 And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”


Ananias was convicted of lying to the Holy Spirit of God and the others that he had sold off all his possession and donated it to the Church but in actual fact had kept part of the sales proceeds for himself and wife.
....... If Ananias had been truthful to God and the others that he only donated part of his sold possessions to the Church and kept part of the sales proceeds, likely he and his wife would have been accepted by God and not be killed by God.

So, the "all who donated everything to the Church" at ACTS.4:34, likely included a believer who lied about giving everything to the Church, ie Ananias. IOW, Ananias was part of the group of believers mentioned at ACTS.4:32 - the other believers did not lie, only he lied, maybe to save face.

The main point here is telling lies vs truth to God, not about the possessions and sales proceeds. Didn't God says He loves a cheerful giver = no compulsion or pressure to give a certain part or all his possessions to the Church.? .......

2COR.9: = 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

REV.22: = 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.


Also, it is illogical for an unbeliever like an atheist to be convicted and killed by God for lying to God or for apostasy against God.
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Good day.
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post Apr 5 2020, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020, 06:21 PM)
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/s...rma-is-a-bitch/ - KARMA IS A BITCH - Shweta Sehgal - February 24, 2018

https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2018/1/26/169...kreayshawn-meme - The best memes are nonsense and I love ‘karma is a bitch’ - It doesn’t have to hold together to be funny - By Kaitlyn Tiffany@kait_tiffany Jan 26, 2018


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I think the word 'bitch' is only offensive if directed at women, ie not offensive if directed at a dog and karma. Hence, publications do use 'karma is a bitch'.

Padan muka is same as just desserts.

Seems, quite a number of word police officers or legalists on the Internet.

Good day.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 5 2020, 06:41 PM)
I know what you're trying to say, but it's a rude word lah.

We need to either reduce it or stop it completely if can.

Best is to stop it completely..I know easier said than done but just submit to Holy Spirit.
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http://ashleigh-veterinary-centre.com/info...e-of-the-bitch/ - 5. Rearing the puppies and care of the bitch

https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/dog-breed...bitch-part-one/ -
The Care and Feeding of the Breeding Bitch – Part One - By AKC Staff - May 04, 2015

Eg the stray bitch outside kopitiam just had a litter of puppies. My bitch has been neutered, so no problem with too many puppies.

This sounds OK.?

Good day.
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post Apr 5 2020, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 5 2020, 06:38 PM)
Maybe this can help.

In Acts 4:32, it says "All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had"

Very likely Ananias and Sapphira were not part of the believers else they would have the same One Heart and gladly shared everything they had. Peter mention about Satan and heart though.

Maybe this can be seen as cruel but God protects his church. If anyone is out to deceive, we need to really be careful with such people, we don't know what's next.

In fact I would be glad that God protects his own.
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1COR.5: = Immorality Defiles the Church

5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

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Well, as above, God has laid out one of the most important ways to protect His Church from immoral or sinning or law-breaking believers, not unbelievers. This way of protection could have applied to Ananias as a believer, ie "deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh" = be killed to death.

Good day.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020, 07:39 PM)
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ACTS.4 & 5 = 4:32 Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. 33 And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. 34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, 35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.
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5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. 2 And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”


Ananias was convicted of lying to the Holy Spirit of God and the others that he  had sold off all his possession and donated it to the Church but in actual fact had kept part of the sales proceeds for himself and wife.
....... If Ananias had been truthful to God and the others that he only donated part of his sold possessions to the Church and kept part of the sales proceeds, likely he and his wife would have been accepted by God and not be killed by God.

So, the "all who donated everything to the Church" at ACTS.4:34, likely included a believer who lied about giving everything to the Church, ie Ananias.

The main point here is telling lies vs truth to God, not about the possessions and sales proceeds. Didn't God says He loves a cheerful giver = no compulsion or pressure to give a certain part or all to the Church.? .......

2COR.9: =  7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

REV.22: = 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.


Also, it is illogical for an unbeliever like an atheist to be convicted and killed by God for lying to God or for apostasy against God.
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Good day.
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It's up to you but I disagree.

Act 4:32 tell us All the believer had unity in agreement that their possession was not their own. What Ananias and Sapphira did contradicted that, (they kept part of the money<----That already indicate they didn't have the same mind and heart as those believers.) Another indication in Acts 4.32, it tells us, the believers sold everything they had. The bible was careful to record Ananias and Saphira sold "a Piece of Property" Possibly it's an indication they had more than that. That's another signal, they were not part of the believers. *Nothing wrong in owning more than 1 property, just saying they're not the same group with the believers.

I don't know how you can conclude that they are...maybe it's the phrase lying to the Holy Spirit, that makes you think they had the HS. The way I understand Act 5, is that the HS was speaking to Apostle Peter. It does not mean Annaias and Sapphira had the Holy Spirit.

As far as I know, the Bible is very careful to indicate who are believer and who are not.

Yes God loves a cheerful giver but that is no indication they were believers. There are people who gives out of relectant or compulsion. Not everyone who goes to Church are believers. And not every believers gives cheerfully all the time. tongue.gif

I don't know if God judged both of them just because they're unbeliever, I believe God was protecting his Church from people who are deceitful.

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post Apr 5 2020, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020, 08:46 PM)
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1COR.5: = Immorality Defiles the Church

5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

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Well, as above, God has laid out one of the most important ways to protect His Church from immoral or sinning or law-breaking believers, not unbelievers. This way of protection could have applied to Ananias as a believer, ie "deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh" = be killed to death.

Good day.
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err....so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord? Not killed to death lah.

Destruction of the flesh does not mean physical body but the nature of the flesh (The Sin character)

If it's really physical death, how can the person be saved on the Day of Lord? No chance for the person to walk in redemption..no?

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020, 08:32 PM)
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http://ashleigh-veterinary-centre.com/info...e-of-the-bitch/ - 5. Rearing the puppies and care of the bitch

https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/dog-breed...bitch-part-one/ -
The Care and Feeding of the Breeding Bitch – Part One - By AKC Staff - May 04, 2015

Eg the stray bitch outside kopitiam just had a litter of puppies. My bitch has been neutered, so no problem with too many puppies.

This sounds OK.?

Good day.
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Refering to actual animal is ok lah but when refer to human...rude lah for Christians to say things like this.
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post Apr 5 2020, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020, 08:46 PM)
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1COR.5: = Immorality Defiles the Church

5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

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Well, as above, God has laid out one of the most important ways to protect His Church from immoral or sinning or law-breaking believers, not unbelievers. This way of protection could have applied to Ananias as a believer, ie "deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh" = be killed to death.

Good day.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 5 2020, 09:18 PM)
err....so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord? Not killed to death lah.

Destruction of the flesh does not mean physical body but the nature of the flesh (The Sin character)

If it's really physical death, how can the person be saved on the Day of Lord? No chance for the person to walk in redemption..no?
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GEN.6: = . 17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.

1COR.3: = 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.


Your interpretation is likely wrong, as if God is a no-good Father who often spares the rod and spoils His child who grows up to become a rotten rascal.

Good day.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020, 09:41 PM)
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GEN.6: = . 17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.

1COR.3: =  15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.


Your interpretation is likely wrong, as if God is a no-good Father who often spares the rod and spoils His child who grows up to become a rotten rascal.

Good day.
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Dude


1 Corinthians 5:5 (NIV) - hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. <-----underline


you got read or not?

*destruction of the flesh ie destruction of the sinful nature is already a type of disiplining, how can that indicate God is a no good Father?

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post Apr 5 2020, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020 @ 09:41 PM)
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GEN.6: = . 17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.

1COR.3: =  15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.


Your interpretation is likely wrong, as if God is a no-good Father who often spares the rod and spoils His child who grows up to become a rotten rascal.

Good day.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 5 2020, 09:47 PM)
Dude
1 Corinthians 5:5 (NIV) - hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. <-----underline
you got read or not?
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2PETER.3: = The Day of the Lord

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

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1THESS.4: = The Comfort of Christ’s Coming

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.


"that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord" refers to the resurrection of believers at the 2nd Coming of the Lord to earth = the day of the Lord. It is similar to the saved robber who was crucified next to Jesus at LUKE.23:43 who will be resurrected and similar to .......

1COR.3: = 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone [b]defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.


Why do you think God is allowing the Wuhan virus/Covid-19 to kill thousands of people.? It's similar to "deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh". It's not to give them time on earth to repent and repent and for their spirit to be saved by further teachings on the day of the Lord.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 5 2020, 10:11 PM)
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Why do you think God is allowing the Wuhan virus/Covid-19 to kill thousands of people.? It's similar to "deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh". It's not to give them time on earth to repent and repent and for their spirit to be saved by further teachings on the day of the Lord.
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This is actually a very good question to ponder.

Allowing it to happen vs letting it happen.

I have seen Christians leave their faith when their family members met with accidents - is that the right approach?

If someone rapes me today, do I hate God because He allowed it to happen?

If I go casino and gambled all my money today, do I hate God because He fails to prevent that from happening? Is it correct for me to think so?

I always believe in the larger good, though we tiny small humans may not see it, most time.

Your question is one BIG question non-believers ask, if He is SO great, why can't He do this do that (I think we watch too many superheroes movies)? How do we answer?

"Because they have sinned?" Some sinless people most righteous also met with disasters, Job is a good example. The most sinful people- politicians, lawyers, murderers all are living a good life.

So how do we answer the non-believers?

Thanks in advance.


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2PETER.3: = The Day of the Lord

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

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1THESS.4: = The Comfort of Christ’s Coming

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.


"that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord" refers to the resurrection of believers at the 2nd Coming of the Lord to earth = the day of the Lord. It is similar to the saved robber who was crucified next to Jesus at LUKE.23:43 who will be resurrected and similar to .......

1COR.3: =  14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone [b]defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.


Why do you think God is allowing the Wuhan virus/Covid-19 to kill thousands of people.? It's similar to "deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh". It's not to give them time on earth to repent and repent and for their spirit to be saved by further teachings on the day of the Lord.
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How is a believer saved on the day of the Lord, if it's physical death (handed over to Satan) and not given the chance to walk in redemption?

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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 5 2020, 10:44 PM)
This is actually a very good question to ponder.

Allowing it to happen vs letting it happen.

I have seen Christians leave their faith when their family members met with accidents - is that the right approach?

If someone rapes me today, do I hate God because He allowed it to happen?

If I go casino and gambled all my money today, do I hate God because He fails to prevent that from happening? Is it correct for me to think so?

I always believe in the larger good, though we tiny small humans may not see it, most time.

Your question is one BIG question non-believers ask, if He is SO great, why can't He do this do that (I think we watch too many superheroes movies)? How do we answer?

"Because they have sinned?" Some sinless people most righteous also met with disasters, Job is a good example. The most sinful people- politicians, lawyers, murderers all are living a good life.

So how do we answer the non-believers?

Thanks in advance.
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You already know the answer.

From the very beginning when man sinned, God already put salvation in place for mankind.

And I will put enmity (open hostility) Between you and the woman, And between your seed (offspring) and her Seed; He shall [fatally] bruise your head, And you shall [only] bruise His heel.”
Genesis 3:15 AMP
https://bible.com/bible/1588/gen.3.15.AMP

with the introduction of sin into the world, disease and death came in with it, which is why we have so much suffering around us.

For God to be God He must be omniscient,
knowing the possible outcome of every free willed decision of every human being ever born and to be born in the future.

Because God is a God who gave us free will, He has to allow us to exercise that will. He however may choose to interfere with the outcome of our actions if it suits His purposes. For example Jonah. But note, at the end of the day, Jonah went to fulfill his task as instructed on his own free will.

Because God is a good God, He wants to save as many as possible, not by coercion, but by demonstrating His love through His Son, and at this time, His followers.

And because God is a good God, He wants to achieve that with the MINIMUM amount of suffering mankind has to go through.

We may not be able to see it, but God is ACTIVELY manuvering the entirety of mankind to His desired destiny for them through the free willed obedience of His people where possible, through supernatural means where necessary. Only God knows how many major disasters He has already prevented, and will continue to avert in future.

And all this without violating our human free will.

Not only that, God deals with every human being on a personal basis.

We see good people suffer and evil people prosper, but we only see that tiny portion within the time frame that we are able to see them, but we are unable to know how God is working in that life in the parts we cannot see to try bring them to salvation.

Romans 8:28 gives us the assurance that it is for good at the end of the day

And we know [with great confidence] that God [who is deeply concerned about us] causes all things to work together [as a plan] for good for those who love God, to those who are called according to His plan and purpose.
Romans 8:28 AMP
https://bible.com/bible/1588/rom.8.28.AMP

Yes, it's alot to take in by faith.

We may not understand why God allow certain things to happen because we can only see as far as our lifetime.
God on the other hand sees to the end of time itself and the ultimate consequence of every action by every human.

We can afford to trust Him because He is good, even if it should cost us our lives.



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Early jesus followers dont even have trinity concept.
U must have study the christian history and be able to point out when this trinity became the foundation in christian.

U can point out what everyone said about jesus, but, what is the concept of god taught by jesus?
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I know muslims always claim that the word trinity does not exist in the bible,, and always claim that it is polytheism.

I can't go through the whole bible with you here, but from cover to cover the doctrine of the trinity can stand every verse of the bible.

Just because Jesus did not say He is God in a way you would understand doesn't mean He did not say it.

In fact, that was the only reason He was crucified for.

Did Muhammad say he was a prophet from his own mouth? If he didn't, can I conclude that he wasnt a prophet?
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Apr 6 2020, 06:35 AM)
I know muslims always claim that the word trinity does not exist in the bible,, and always claim that it is polytheism.

I can't go through the whole bible with you here, but from cover to cover the doctrine of the trinity can stand every verse of the bible.

Just because Jesus did not say He is God in a way you would understand doesn't mean He did not say it.

In fact, that was the only reason He was crucified for.

Did Muhammad say he was a prophet from his own mouth? If he didn't, can I conclude that he wasnt a prophet?
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Actually Jesus did say many time He was God, just not in English. laugh.gif

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 6 2020, 08:56 AM)
Actually Jesus did say many time He was God, just not in English.  laugh.gif

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
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The typical claim from a muslim goes like this:

Show me a text where Jesus said: I am God, worship me!

If there is none, Jesus did not say it.

They don't understand that a text without a context is a pretext for a prooftext

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