FYI I don't agree with catholicism, but I just agree to disagree. Till now I still don't see the point of petitioning to any angels or saints in heaven. I still hold to the view...petition to the Triune God is more than sufficient and I believe as have you.
"pray one for another, that you may be saved. For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much." - James 5:16.
Luther is not the only one to have issues with the Epistle of James.
"pray one for another, that you may be saved. For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much." - James 5:16.
Luther is not the only one to have issues with the Epistle of James.
The New Covenant define Righteousness as the Righteousness of Faith. True that when one does what is right, the person is righteous. But just like the status of one who gets saved and cleansed is by the Gift of God, so is how defined this gift of righteousness. Note that it's a gift.
I don't see that it refers to the saints in Heaven. Take note of the next verse, where it says Elijah is man like us, rfering to his natural human, that is to twart off the idea of Saints in Heavan who may have been perfected.
Do you know that as a believer you are seated with Christ in the heavenlies?
This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Apr 6 2020, 01:17 PM
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. . For salvation from hell, we need the righteousness and righteous act of Jesus Christ on the Cross to atone for our unintentionally inherited Adam's Original Sin. Our own righteousness and righteous acts of the Law, eg did not commit murder, adultery, stealing, blasphemy, etc, could never save us from hell because we have an evil or devilish heart that occasionally sin-in-thoughts involuntarily or unintentionally, eg immoral sexual lust, hate, anger, greed, selfishness, jealousy, etc, in our hearts = we do not qualify for the kingdom of heaven on our own = we are bound for hell if without the righteousness and righteous act of Jesus Christ on the Cross.
But salvation from hell at the point of conversion by faith is not the 'be all and end all'. Once born-again of the Holy Spirit of God, we need to cooperate with God's Spirit to allow Him to implant His laws in our hearts and minds, especially for most new Gentile Christians who were lawless Gentiles previously. For Jewish Christians like the apostles, God's Spirit had no problem implanting His laws in their hearts and minds because most of them were law-abiding Jews previously. In this way, God's Holy Spirit who indwell us could empower us to keep the Law or do righteous acts(= our righteousness) easily = through a change of our hearts by the Spirit. ....... This is vital for believers because sinning/breaking the Law willfully or intentionally(= their unrighteousness) for whatever reasons, eg ignorance, belief in false teachings, etc, will bring on the earthly curses of God or His agents upon them (1COR.5:5 & 11:30, 1JOHN.5:16-17, HEB.10:26-31) since such intentional sins /law-breaking cannot be forgiven or atoned, as per LEVITICUS - murderers may be executed, rapists and robbers will be jailed, etc. If while suffering for their sins/unrighteousness, they somehow lose faith in God/Jesus-Christ = will lose salvation, eg JOB.2:9, 1TIM.4:1.
Good day. .
QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 6 2020, 12:53 PM)
Very well explained. Thanks.
So how do you define unintentional sin? A real context please.
Then what's righteousness?
(No rush - one lesson a day is good enough )
. Please see my earlier post about Christ's righteousness and righteous act on the Cross vs our unrighteousness in inherited Adam's Original Sin and possible intentional unrighteous acts on earth(= our outer unrighteousness) - ROMANS.2:5-13.
Eg if we accidentally knock into another's car back bumper through carelessness or negligence, that is an unintentional sin = not kena jailed or something worse. But if we drink and drive or over-speed, and cause an accident, that's intentional sin = may kena jailed or self-injury in hospital.
Good day. .
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The New Covenant define Righteousness as the Righteousness of Faith. True that when one does what is right, the person is righteous. But just like the status of one who gets saved and cleansed is by the Gift of God, so is how defined this gift of righteousness. Note that it's a gift.
I don't see that it refers to the saints in Heaven. Take note of the next verse, where it says Elijah is man like us, rfering to his natural human, that is to twart off the idea of Saints in Heavan who may have been perfected.
Do you know that as a believer you are seated with Christ in the heavenlies?
Agree that it's a gift. But where you and I differ is when it comes to the doctrine of Communion of the Saints. As Catholics we believe we are in communion not only with those on earth, but also those of the Faith who have departed this mortal world. Believers on this earth have not completed the race yet.
2 Kings 13:21. God made use of the bones of the prophet Eliseus (Elisha) to raise a man from the dead.
This post has been edited by yeeck: Apr 6 2020, 01:42 PM
Agree that it's a gift. But where you and I differ is when it comes to the doctrine of Communion of the Saints. As Catholics we believe we are in communion not only with those on earth, but also those of the Faith who have departed this mortal world. Believers on this earth have not completed the race yet.
2 Kings 13:21. God made use of the bones of the prophet Eliseus (Elisha) to raise a man from the dead.
True, all of us here are being train in a race. But what I'm trying to say is, if you acknowledge righteousness is a gift then you and I have it, our prayers will avail much according James 5:16.
That promise in there is for you and I.
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True, all of us here are being train in a race. But what I'm trying to say is, if you acknowledge righteousness is a gift then you and I have it, our prayers will avail much according James 5:16.
That promise in there is for you and I.
So that also means there is nothing wrong asking others to pray for us.
So that also means there is nothing wrong asking others to pray for us.
There can be a problem. It can cause us to think..because the saints are in heaven, you'd think the prayers will be more effective.
That actually underminds your faith towards God because as time goes by, you'll tend to rely more on the saint and your own faith towards Christ or Father God will be jeapardize.
If you can see between the lines why Christ so often says "oh you of little faith" is because He wants his people on earth especially to have robust and faith that is alive.
. Like I said before, the Lord/God Jesus Christ did not raise any "higher laws". The ("lower") law of love your neighbor as yourself(and hate your enemy) for the Jews or love one another for Gentile and Jewish Christians remains and has not been destroyed or replaced by Jesus Christ.
If you keep the "higher law" of loving your enemies, you must also keep the other "higher laws" of plucking out your eyes and cutting off your limbs, and selling all your possessions and giving everything to the Church(= not keeping a part of it for yourself like Ananias of ACTS.5).
Misbelief can bring us a whole lot of trouble and foolishness, eg turn the other cheek, lend to all who ask, etc.
Good day. .
So you're saying the Bible recorded Matthew 5:27-30 is an error?
Or
You're saying don't obey Christ?
Which is it?
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There can be a problem. It can cause us to think..because the saints are in heaven, you'd think the prayers will be more effective.
That actually underminds your faith towards God because as time goes by, you'll tend to rely more on the saint and your own faith towards Christ or Father God will be jeapardize.
If you can see between the lines why Christ so often says "oh you of little faith" is because He wants his people on earth especially to have robust and faith that is alive.
If that's what you think, I feel sorry for you. Sometimes God wants to answer our prayers only in a particular way. The most obvious case, i.e. the wedding at Cana where He worked His first miracle at Mary's intervention, even though He said His time is not yet come, yet He still performs the miracle. Blessed be God in His angels and His saints!
On a side note, the term "Father God" is very strange. We have God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. But not Father God, Son God nor Spirit God.
This post has been edited by yeeck: Apr 7 2020, 11:15 AM
If that's what you think, I feel sorry for you. Sometimes God wants to answer our prayers only in a particular way. The most obvious case, i.e. the wedding at Cana where He worked His first miracle, even though He said His time is not yet come, yet He still performs the miracle. Blessed be God in His angels and His saints!
On a side note, the term "Father God" is very strange. We have God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. But not Father God, Son God nor Spirit God.
Well I don't feel sorry, not to say that I'm that great in Faith but I understand what attracts God.
The Holy Spirit refuse to translate this in any other way and just gave us
"Abba"
Romans 8:15 (NIV) - The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."
. I think the word 'bitch' is only offensive if directed at women, ie not offensive if directed at a dog and karma. Hence, publications do use 'karma is a bitch'.
Padan muka is same as just desserts.
Seems, quite a number of word police officers or legalists on the Internet.
Good day. .
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 5 2020, 06:41 PM)
I know what you're trying to say, but it's a rude word lah.
We need to either reduce it or stop it completely if can.
Best is to stop it completely..I know easier said than done but just submit to Holy Spirit.
bitch noun (UNPLEASANT PERSON) [ C ] offensive an unkind or unpleasant woman: She can be a real bitch.
bitch noun (PROBLEM) [ S ] very informal something that causes difficulties or problems, or that is unpleasant: I've had a bitch of a week at work.
bitch noun (COMPLAINT) [ S ] very informal the act of complaining or talking unkindly about people: Most of us enjoy having a (good) bitch from time to time.
bitch noun (CONTROLLED PERSON) [ C ] offensive slang someone who will do everything you tell them to do because you have complete control over them
Idiom life's a bitch (and then you die)
. bitch verb [ I ] informal
to complain and make unkind remarks about someone or something: She's always bitching about Tanya. ''''''' _______ _______
The B-word in karma is a bitch or payback is a bitch refers to the 3rd informal meaning of something unpleasant, and not to the 2nd offensive meaning of an unpleasant woman.
That is why news sites and Youtube do not self-censor the idiom karma is a bitch.
bitch noun (UNPLEASANT PERSON) [ C ] offensive an unkind or unpleasant woman: She can be a real bitch.
bitch noun (PROBLEM) [ S ] very informal something that causes difficulties or problems, or that is unpleasant: I've had a bitch of a week at work.
bitch noun (COMPLAINT) [ S ] very informal the act of complaining or talking unkindly about people: Most of us enjoy having a (good) bitch from time to time.
bitch noun (CONTROLLED PERSON) [ C ] offensive slang someone who will do everything you tell them to do because you have complete control over them
Idiom life's a bitch (and then you die)
. bitch verb [ I ] informal
to complain and make unkind remarks about someone or something: She's always bitching about Tanya. ''''''' _______ _______
The B-word in karma is a bitch or payback is a bitch refers to the 3rd informal meaning of something unpleasant, and not to the 2nd offensive meaning of an unpleasant woman.
That is why news sites and Youtube do not self-censor the idiom karma is a bitch.
Good day. .
It is offensive - no need to argue more.
Same with calling Blacks a nigga.
Or a man dickhead.
When something needs to be argued ...that's what lawyer's do, from a criminal can argue till it becomes a victim of the crime.
And I hope as Christians, we can refrain from using these words f, s, b, etc. It's ugly especially for someone at the pulpit to say it.
The heart knows it's not right, it's the mind that keeps challenging it.
Context can be given in God's ways, or in human's way (hey, calling it a bitch is ok, you know - it's everyday's word). And if we want to follow arguments of man, then no point discussing it, isn't it?
Well I don't feel sorry, not to say that I'm that great in Faith but I understand what attracts God. The Holy Spirit refuse to translate this in any other way and just gave us
"Abba"
Romans 8:15 (NIV) - The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."
In Israel, children their own papa..as "Abba".
Indicating closeness, family.
Yeah Father is fine, rather than Father God or Son God or Spirit God.
Like I said before, the Lord/God Jesus Christ did not raise any "higher laws". The ("lower") law of love your neighbor as yourself(and hate your enemy) for the Jews or love one another for Gentile and Jewish Christians remains and has not been destroyed or replaced by Jesus Christ.
If you keep the "higher law" of loving your enemies, you must also keep the other "higher laws" of plucking out your eyes and cutting off your limbs, and selling all your possessions and giving everything to the Church(= not keeping a part of it for yourself like Ananias of ACTS.5).
Misbelief can bring us a whole lot of trouble and foolishness, eg turn the other cheek, lend to all who ask, etc.
Good day.
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 7 2020, 11:13 AM)
So you're saying the Bible recorded Matthew 5:27-30 is an error?
Or
You're saying don't obey Christ? Which is it?
. Your interpretation of MATT.5:27-30 is wrong by teaching Christians to pluck out their eyes and cut off their limbs, to actually love their enemies, turn the other cheek, lend to all (evil people or enemies) who ask and maybe to also sell all their possessions to give to their Church.
Can you please lend me all your money because I am having financial difficulties with the MCO.? If you agree and obey MATT.5:21-48, we will PM you our bank account number. .......
MATT.5: = 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
Good day. .
This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Apr 7 2020, 11:50 AM
When something needs to be argued ...that's what lawyer's do, from a criminal can argue till it becomes a victim of the crime.
And I hope as Christians, we can refrain from using these words f, s, b, etc. It's ugly especially for someone at the pulpit to say it.
The heart knows it's not right, it's the mind that keeps challenging it.
Context can be given in God's ways, or in human's way (hey, calling it a bitch is ok, you know - it's everyday's word). And if we want to follow arguments of man, then no point discussing it, isn't it?
. In God's way, the intent is important. In this case, the intent of people using the idiom 'karma is a bitch' or 'payback is a bitch, ie were they intending to insult women.?. ......
HEB.4: = The Word Discovers Our Condition
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Some women may be over-sensitive with the bitch-word and would want to ban it's use completely, even when referring to female dogs that have multiple sexual dog partners at one go.
Why did God created dogs and the bitch-word.?
Good day.
This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Apr 7 2020, 12:17 PM
. In God's way, the intent is important. In this case, the intent of people using the idiom 'karma is a bitch' or 'payback is a bitch'. ......
HEB.4: = The Word Discovers Our Condition
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Some women may be over-sensitive with the bitch-word and would want to ban it's use completely, even when referring to female dogs that have multiple sexual dog partners at one go.
Why did God created dogs and the bitch-word.?
Good day.
Is it ok for me to call men dickhead?
It only means a stupid, irritating, or ridiculous man.
Is it ok?
What about whore? It only means works as a prostitutes.
Is that ok?
Don't equate everything to God creating this and that.
Bible has stories about incest - are you promoting it or reading it within a context?
You mean God creates Incest, and hence we can practice it?
It only means a stupid, irritating, or ridiculous man.
Is it ok?
What about whore? It only means works as a prostitutes.
Is that ok?
Don't equate everything to God creating this and that.
Bible has stories about incest - are you promoting it or reading it within a context?
You mean God creates Incest, and hence we can practice it?
. Are people who use the term 'karma is a bitch' intending to insult women.?
It is OK for you to say 'karma is a dick'(if dick = something unpleasant) or 'payback is a dick' or 'life is a dick', but not OK for you to insult a good and intelligent man by calling him a 'dickhead'. ....... Did I insult a good woman by calling her a bitch.?
Why did Jesus Christ referred to the mostly sexually-immoral Gentiles as dogs, whom He did not minister to when He was physically on earth.? ....... It's important for Christians to discern between good and evil.
. Are people who use the term 'karma is a bitch' intending to insult women.?
It is OK for you to say 'karma is a dick'(if dick = something unpleasant) or 'payback is a dick' or 'life is a dick', but not OK for you to insult a good and intelligent man by calling him a 'dickhead'. ....... Did I insult a good woman by calling her a bitch.?
Why did Jesus Christ referred to the mostly sexually-immoral Gentiles as dogs, whom He did not minister to when He was physically on earth.? ....... It's important for Christians to discern between good and evil.
Good day. .
You seem to be a lawyer for karma is a bitch.
if your only justification is karma is a bitch, hence bitch is an ok word, good for you.
So standard 1 they can start teaching kids, hey, karma is a bitch. Now let me educate you what bitch is, it actually just means female dog. Let's say it together, BITCH, B-I-T-C-H. Yeah, Karma Bitch. That's it, don't use it wrongly.
Sound right to you? Use your heart, not your mind now.
Incest is even more interesting - a verb - requires an action from us. Let's do it?
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