Technically, it should not void warranty as we just plug in and no cut wires.

BUT our car manufacturers say otherwise.

Bro....if can remove any evidence of fuse and OBD connections AND the dashcam when you go claim, sure can...as long as it is not detected. That is common sense lar.

We are talking about usual layman here that installed and leave it there (me included). How many ppl when claiming warranty on something are going to remove the dashcam and evidence of wiring every time go claim especially if you claim for stuff you tot unrelated such as system fault and then when detected OBD installation or fuse-based, means you have mess with the wiring system (fuse also included inside wiring system), in reality, no direct relation but they reserved the right to VOID it.

Again, if SC did not report it, you are safe but how many can be sure the SC won't report it.

You can go ask H & T SC, no need ask what basis. I asked both H & T....got same reply. H & T reserved the right to void. They can or not void it based on case to case basis but will likely void if claiming parts related to electrical (if installation reported). Especially H nowadays QC a bit celup, can fight Proton for the QC crown..they got so many warranty claims (my SA hinted...haha), they will take every opportunity to void (if reported 3rd party related to claimed parts).

Any installation of 3rd party installation on the fuse and obd if reported, H & T got the RIGHT to void the warranty on electrical and anything related to it.
Again if SC no report about it, you escape when claiming warranty for items that somehow related to it (even when you think it is not related).

If SC can fixed, they might just ask to remove the items and not report and fixed them. Many does that. However when there is actual claim of warranty for replacement parts, they have to report directly to HQ to get approval...that is the one that can likely cause void of warranty if 3rd party item are installed and are related to the claim parts in some way (dashcam fuse means you allow 3rd party to touch their fuse, any 3rd party touch original fuse, car manufacturer can void the related warranty). Again ask the SC if no believe. That is car manufacturer SC usual procedure but if you happened on a good SC with nice technician, they just do it and close one eyes...lucky.

Oh..btw if SA offered 3rd party devices, no Honda original, it is still same warranty issues. Some tot SA installed 3rd party is Honda approved, it is not. Honda HQ can still void any claims related to the installation parts.

Again nobody says WILL 100% void. It is case to case, especially when reported. H&T just reserved the right to void and they will likely do just that to save cost unless SC help you by not reporting the 3rd party installation.

Extra Note
Just my 2 cents again....might not be 100% correct but I did ask very clearly about this when I bought my car recently.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 24 2024, 02:34 PM

This is true and all industry also same not just car 😂

This post has been edited by zuozi: Jun 24 2024, 02:16 PM

Sigh, as expected you based just on heresay. My P2 SA and service associate informed me as long as wire not cut no issue to claim. Both your story and mine is just anecdote only. Real data is if someone try to claim and did not get it. If you don't have that then don't talk as if this is a CERTAINTY.

Haiz...A sceptic and one needs real data and hard proof when it is common knowledge...

Reserved the right to void....that is WITH CERTAINTY. It is written in warranty manual. You know what reserved the right to void, isn't it...it is up to them. You mean to tell me you doubt they reserved their right to void warranty

That is P2. P2 SC even can ask ppl to disconnect the installed OBD dashcam when causing problem under warranty, no report. Very good. That is logical and what should have been but unfortunately many car manufacturer don't think that way.

When you mess with fusebox with 3rd party installation even if no cut wiring, you indirectly mess with wiring system by installing non-approved 3rd party device onto the car. Even if no cut existing wiring, you open their fusebox thru non-approved personnel and devices, you can accidentally shorted them even when you did not. They reserved the right void them since there is a possibility. That is common sense, bro. It is practiced by car manufacturer when there is a claim that require approval, no need prove, it is just how they work, at least for H. Actually most warranty manual got write about 3rd party installation can void related warranty, at least car manufacturer reserved the right to do so.

Have you been to H? SC mentioned encountered cases but did not elaborate the details but mentioned H very cialat strict nowadays, very strict on warranty claims. That is if SC reported the 3rd party installation during the approval process. If your SC did not report the installation, all ok. So it all depends on your SC, really.

Since I have directly consult with both SA and SC of both H & T and yet you say what H & T SC says based on their experiences got claim cases like these are heresay and I did not know directly any of the ppl who encountered them, then heresay it is, You are the boss.

If you join those Civic Facebook group, a lot of them say that their warranty being void after their car wire go haywire and couldn't start after modding. Again they say they kena..I just read. No real solid proven data. Heresay.

The case of 1 person windows motor warranty void because of 3rd party tint is in those FB, either City or Civic. The SC reported the 3rd party tint. I even commented and ask if it is settled, the person at that time even appeal again to honda HQ directly and posted HQ official letter response and got rejected. They don't even need proof if the damage is cause by tint yet Honda still reject, follow policy. He is so pissed but that is how H goes nowadays, unlike a decade ago where the policy is there, but they don't follow that strictly. Again I just read their experience, no hard data. Heresay.

So you think in cases like this tint case also H void warranty, more complex case of fuse and wiring system, they won't void if something goes haywire? Sometimes you no need real data, just some common sense will do. Again....arghhh no real data, just some common sense. Heresay, I understand.

Ps. They generally won't void anything if nothing goes wrong and fixed without needing claim approval from HQ. Only if got direct claim that need HQ approval, then only trigger the response. That is the usual procedures. Many times lots of SC closed one eyes wan, until a claim needs to be registered in system to order parts, that is where the complication comes in, otherwise ok if nothing goes haywire and no system parts claims are made.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 25 2024, 03:44 PM

Panjang lebar give example... yet not even one example in the H/T group is related to OBD/fuse dashcam? But your electrical example is.... after modding?

Regarding tinting, that makes direct sense of the tint is relatively thick and would stress the motor. At least there is a logic there.

Your logic to jump and say OBD/fuse will void warranty... may as well say 'no point to have warranty, manufacturer will try every which way to get out of it'. At least that one is super general, your examples can provide SOME support. But you specifically claim on OBD/fuse installations. Don't you think a SINGLE case of those would become viral in those FB groups? Dashcams are damn common (more so than modding, probably equivalent to 3rd party tints) after all.

You still don't understand what is reserved the right to void, isn't it...it is up to them. You mean to tell me you still doubt they reserved their right to void warranty sweat.
You are arguing on absolute case that are known. There might those that are not reported online. We don't know. Maybe none.

Ppl are asking if installing 3rd party connected to fuse and obd, can void warranty or not. That means they wanted assurance 100% no void warranty if install.

We are talking about legal point here. From the beginning I am saying "car manufacturer reserved the right to void warranty".

Does that means 100% void if install? I never did say that. I say they can void your warranty (at least on electrical) if they caught you installing and reported to HQ.

SC would likely never report to HQ unless they have to make a warranty claim related to electrical system thru their system, then it is up to them to report the condition of the car related to the warranty claim parts or related section.

I reiterate, the question ppl are asking is if there is a risk of voiding warranty, we say yes, they is a risk even if it is 1%, while you cannot say 100% would never void warranty. The legal clause are there for car manufacturer to reserved the right to terminate certain warranty.

Many installed also no problem, right!!! I also install 3rd party tint and risk voiding the motor warranty. Still I knowingly do it acknowledging that there is a risk but not likely to occur. If occur also maybe no void but there is a risk of voiding the moment I install them. I risked it cause I can still afford to pay for the motor if really kena but if it is related to car electrical and OBD that are even kena car ECU, the risk is too much for me. So I don't take the risk but many do and no problem with that. Legally tho, they are running the risk if get caught.

You can say unplug OBD and remove the dashcam before go SC. Yes, you could, as I say if get caught. That means you are still running a risk to void warranty, that is the main point of what ppl are asking. You can say install lar, if got problem, unplug and remove b4 you go. No problem with that. Still does that not mean acknowledging that if you keep it there during warranty claim related to ECU system (OBD) and electrical, there is always a risk of voiding warranty.

Many dashcam OBD have pin only for the electrical current but exclude the PIN connecting to ECU or other system but don't be surprise some do. Surprisingly DDPAI FB, got ppl kena unstable car system then P2 SC asked to remove DDPAI OBD for the newer axia or some newer car coz it affect the car system. It could mean the dash OBD does somehow access the diagnostic ECU or something, we really don't know.

I think I let you interpret for yourself the clause in warranty manual. Maybe you can determine 100% won't void based on the clause. Then you are the boss. I admit defeat.




This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 26 2024, 09:25 AM

This post is absolute truth and fact.

Any non additional items from the original manufacturer (that includes DashCam) are at risk of voiding warranty

Period.

From 'likely void' to 'can void, but likely never report'. Your last post I agree totally, there is a risk for warranty void, and it is mostly up to SC discretion. But your initial post (as quoted above) did not have that nuance, instead just saying "oh, probably will void, T&H looking for excuse to do so". You don't see how it is very different messaging?

I think you read to much or take too seriously to wording....

This is a forum, there will facts AND opinions of personal nature and opinion such as "oh, probably will void, T&H looking for excuse to do so" is OBVIOUSLY an opinion of mine.

You THINK I really formally will put in formal statement H & T actually do that!!! Its an 2 cents things !!! Just my opinion on how H&T handle claim nowadays and I think that is true....it is just an opinion, ppl can dispute that. The casual messaging on that is not wrong tho, in my opinion...unless you interpret all the way to god knows where.

Usually ppl will just look at that and say ya, nowadays H&T very strict just like insurance, if can avoid the claim legally, they will do so AND yes, THEY CAN DO SO if system recorded the items related to the claim. Until where you think this will go...

From 'likely void' to 'can void, but likely never report'.
I interpret likely void and can void but likely never report as same message...Ppl asking can void or not...I say likely void coz we have to assume SC will report the installation of 3rd party dashcam when making warranty claim approval request that included the scope of the dashcam connection. "Never reported case" are just assumption BUT can we bet on SC not reporting the installation if it is within the scope of faulty claim? We have to assume the worse and that is what ppl asking about warranty want to know when they ask can void warranty. So my message should be pretty clear although differs slightly when interpret in more detail, can be generally accepted as same....likely/can void.

"Any fuse or obd ports connection, manufacturer will likely void your warranty".
Not wrong. You go ask SC, when they do system (OBD related) and fuse related warranty claim requesting approval on HQ system AND reported the 3rd party items attached within the scope of the claims, they will LIKELY void your warranty. Not 100% but LIKELY. No need proof, just go ask SC. We will have to assume we don't know the SC tech personally and they follow strict procedures on warranty claim. We cannot tell ppl may not void warranty as the SC tech may not report it coz we are not the tech, we have to assume they follow strict procedure when ppl ask generally on warranty.

I don't mind if you correct the facts, it can be wrong but when you start to nitpick on the nuance, wordings...

You can just post back, say bro, I think you wrong lar...I think it should be...(non offensive)
But the way you post back...."If you don't have that then don't talk as if this is a CERTAINTY." (maybe you don't think so but that sounds very aggressive)
oh. btw, It is certainty...coz I used the word likely void instead of will void..

Also the initial post I make, do read carefully, I used the word likely, probably....does that sounds like 100% to you? It's not 100% coz the risk of voiding (again it is risk, not 100%) will only happen if SC make a claim thru the system for HQ approval and reported the dashcam. Again I used the word likely coz it has a higher chance of voiding than can void, not wrong if reported to HQ system. Haha, you see, I leave a way out for myself... Come to think about it....maybe the "might" wording would be better. Aiyo, I thnk I just fall into your trap of emphasizing on words, nounce, messaging thingy...

SC tends to follow the strict instructions more nowadays compared with b4 because car manufacture like H do audit them strictly on warranty cases. Talked to SC and SA, all say the same thing. Of course if you happened upon a good, helpful one that help you "exempt" certain items in the report when making warranty claim approval request, please thank the gods.

Again thanks for reading my ciong hei post....I have too much time at hand these past week waiting for certain automated tasks to complete...

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 26 2024, 02:07 PM

Yeah, below definitely sounds like an opinion. And your follow up also insist that somehow T&H will do so.

But I guess the best is when you say...

Definitely people can dispute that... just like this random guy below who dispute and ask you to back up your opinion....
You are giving opinion as fact, now wanna just say it is opinion, yet for those who are asking question, if no one challenge they will just believe that OBD/fuse will void warranty. Nuance is important because you are giving advise and people are reading this as advise, this is not /k.

I was actually hoping for proper evidence, because then that can help me and others to make decisions regarding our vehicles and dashcam. Mana tau sembang2 je, cheong hei based on feel. Do better la please. If 'just a forum' then /k is that way.

This post has been edited by LostAndFound: Jun 29 2024, 01:23 PM

Err....that warranty issue is not opinion or did you miss the manual pic I shown. You wanted evidence, I give evidence aka the warranty manual. Maybe it does not meet your expectation of real case evidence but what ppl are generally asking...

1. If anybody got their warranty void becoz of their 3rd party dashcam OR
2. Will installing 3rd party dashcam void warranty?

If you read the posts by most, they are asking the 2nd question which is technically asking for legal confirmation. Yes, it can void, warranty manual stated so, unfortunately most ppl don't read and like to ask around.

If no one challenge they will just believe that OBD/fuse will void warranty.

You means after ALL the explanation and even posted the warranty manual, you still think that is not proper evidence !!! So you must have a real case only prove can void, ignoring the legal clause that are a known fact in the industry. I give up...

Is the clause 5.1.4 and 5.1.7 not clear enuf? As long as they are not authorized by car manufacturer, any auto accs fitted to a car can void the warranty (at car manufacturer discretion). No need to splice or cut wire to void becoz fitted included plug in, connected to car systems or parts with unauthorized 3rd party installation under car manufacturer warranty. 12V plugs can be use for that purpose if want to avoid warranty issue with 3rd party installation.

I have done keep repeating myself even with proven warranty manual and then you started to go back and pick on each sentences and "nuances" of my posts just to find the mistakes I have made in my wordings. I have answered and posted warranty manual with legal clause. I am done with this subject.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jul 1 2024, 07:59 PM

Yup I agreed with you too, it totally up to manufacturers to decide if it voids or not hence they reserved the rights. When I was surveying dashcam for my new car that is soon to be deliver next week, the seller kept telling me we don’t cut wire and just tap to the fuse for power so warranty confirm no void, yet I am still doubtful. Checking with service centre got me same respond that they reserve to rights to void.

End up now I don’t want to install any dash cam haha. Too bad my car manufacturer also no offer their own brand dashcam.

I also think no need dashcam, all my cars old car without dashcam, only newer Vios comes with dashcam. Decades without issues...then 1 case last year, one of my family's car got accident, the other party argue that my family member did not look properly, so both wrong..

Luckily the car involved is the newer vios, comes with dashcam. Just download and show police, 100% other party wrong, no need argue, no need explain.

Due to this, I decided to install Z50 GPS OBD on the car my wife drove. Then 1 day, she got a big crack sound undercarriage knocking into something on road that she did not see. I tot habis liao, big repair coming. Before sending to mechanic, I checked the dashcam recording at the time of so-called undercarriage collision....turned out front camera record a very small item on road (almost missed it)...when car go over it, big sound....then I checked rear camera at same time and same the very small items bouncing behind the car...Confirmed, that small item cause the big sound. So no need send mechanic.

Now I budget and installed another Z50 GPS OBD on old persona my inexperience daughter is going to drive for peace of mind.

On my car, I egg pain installed the Honda dashcam when I got the car. Yesterday encountered a crash behind my car, a motor crashed a barrier and falls. I tot maybe he scrapped my car (no damage on my car) or at least my braking might have cause him to swerved...Then check honda rear cam, still clear wor, just cannot see car plate number and not anywhere near Z50 resolution but good enuf to see that the motor for whatever reason crashed into the barrier, not my braking, he just miscalculated. If not becoz of that, I tot I might possibly be responsible. So I figure dashcam has become a necessity like insurance, you buy and nothing happened wasted money BUT the moment something happened, it can save you a LOT of troubles and peace of mind. Of course, if you pecut and caused accident, you better delete all recordings...hahaha.

Now I have to budget to install on my last old car. Wait a bit, spend 1.6k on 2 dashcam already...

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jul 4 2024, 08:51 AM

Just use the 12v port, may forgo parking mode then.

Thats why ppl like to use "new car got warranty" as a pillar, but fail to understand the warranty is only as strong as the willingness of the company to uphold it. It isnt written with the customers interest in mind.

My 39year old car has a dashcam, having 1 is better than none at all.

I've been using dashcam for a decade now.

1 incident where the dashcam is useful, would already ROI the cost of it in monetary, time, headache.

Hi, I'm looking to get front & rear dashcam with a budget of around RM400 including memory card.

1. Any recommendation?
2. Are rear-view mirror (ex. DDpai mola e3, 70mai S500) type of dashcam good or just gimmick, can it serve as mirror properly? Any distortion or blur?
3. Memory card capacity recommended?

Yes, that is the reason I tried to install on all cars now. It is for insurance and peace of mind.

The warranty void is a scared tactic, I think maybe P2 and others generally won't be strict on it. However H & T is getting stricter at the moment especially H, SC and some other sources mentioned they actually do audit on Warranty case for SCs, so SC are less likely to skip reporting any 3rd party items when seeking approval, not worth to risk car manufacturer anger for the customer benefit. If I buy proton or p2, may just install 3rd party dashcam taking the risk but especially with H brand, I gave in to the warranty void scare, coz they have cases even with 3rd party tint voiding windows motor (even when the tint has been installed for quite a while) which rarely or unheard on other car manufacturers.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jul 4 2024, 11:48 AM

If using the port then headache how to conceal the cable. The 12v port or the usb c ports are all in front Center under the leg there.

If I leave my car parked for a week with my dashcam hardwired/ plug to OBD port, will it drain the battery?

If you dashcam activate parking mode, there should be a setting on your dashcam's parking mode or OBD to set that.

For DDPAI Z50, we have a setting we can activate in parking mode to cut off dashcam power if battery falls below 12.4V (up to you to set, 12.4V is the max setting to cut power).
Again for DDPAI OBD, the OBD plug itself has a switch for 24 hours and ACC. If you want to park longer terms and fear the worst, just look for the OBD plug and click the switch to ACC. That one will supposedly cut OBD power whenever you switch off car engine.

Thanks for the explanation, i have not bought the dashcam yet, planning to get DDPAI n5 dual.