This is so true, born and raised in penang, i find that water in other states not to par with the sweetness of penang island water. No wonder our food tastes so much better too.

Look, you answered my questions, we are paying net 500 ringgit end of the day.

You keep on harping about the actual cost SG paid and how much they subsidize us.

You really think we need myr 7.20 to treat 1000 gallon of water? You know how much is selangor selling for 1000 gallon to the consumer? Try compare Ranhill rate with syabas rate. Its 80 cent/ first 20 m3 agaisnt 57 cent / first 20 m3. Its more expensive even with sg so called subsidies, why?

So you're saying we can't treat the water ourselves at cheaper rate? We can't get treated water under 50 cent if we do it ourselves?

And I'm not even talking about their cost to begin with, I'm talking about our selling price to them.

If you want to hug on the debate of Singapore subsidies us their actually cost is higher, then why not we take over the treatment plant and sell treated water to Singapore? They are selling sgd 1.19 / first 40 m3, we can sell them 1 sgd for first 40m3 & so on they can goyang kaki and earn 19 cent sgd for first 40m3 & so on.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Mar 4 2019, 03:30 AM

Ranhill is Malaysia company no? Malaysia companies is paying for the maintainance fees no? What are you trying to proves?

Of course, Singapore is paying for the maintainance for now, how about in future? try explain below sentence then,

Singapore would also bear the cost of constructing and maintaining the dam, which would be transferred to Johor at a later date

What you understand as per the law?

yeah....penang water is sweet.....owai.....is this sarcasm or what???

although i live at penang for 5 years and drink straight from water tap after sport and jog....no bad things there...

There is something which Singapore and we dont have. Good governance and proper use of talents, if you step on a gold mine and not being able to mine it. Whats the point of having one?

One of our largest investor, largest oversea consumer and tourism income. tens of thousands our people crossing the causeway every day to earn their living for their family, young kids and adult feeling hopeful being educated in one of the best educational institutions in the world.

Grandma and grandpa seeking health care for diseases and old age issues. These are some of the many examples of why Singapore is so important. We can just shut up and live peacefully with them life is actually better. if our prime minister wants to pick a fight with them. FUCKING make better use of his brain to think of making our life better not for the worse than our people will not need to seek Job in Singapore. Stop talking about water price or land etc....havent he heard of MONEY IS KING...strength our economy and life then when we can demand whatever we like.

feeling very sad...with Najib gone thought life is probably better. Now it seems that it isnt...sorry folk i have lost hope for this nation and our people. after reading these comments, we are still living in denial, keep bashing Singapore out of sour grapes will not be better out life.

Imagine what it would be like if johor merge with Singapore, think life will be better lol

This post has been edited by Nannostomuss: Mar 4 2019, 04:50 AM

lulz, you really think johor or ranhill or whatever the entity that you refer to 'we' is paying Singapore for treated water?

so naïve of you.

net pay of RM500?

topkek.

you already mentioned this didn't you?

did you bother to calculate how much Singapore is paying Johor back on those cukai tanah the plants are sitting on?

and that is for the new dam and accompanying water plant, but what about the other older plants?

kesian your comprehension really bad.

and keep mentioning about maintenance cost to me.

bro once we own the plants only then we pay, as it is maintenance cost is part of the calculation of the water tariff ranhill/syabas/PBA etc. water company charge consumers for the water.

ppl have been copy pasting the agreement and also you yourself copy pasted the agreement.

what part of that agreement you can't understand?

1. Singapore has right to draw raw water from johor and sell treated water to johor

2. agreement is until 2061, and it's been since the 1920s, only that latest terms are set in 1990, all this while they have been drawing raw water but even johor can't supply what they require bcos Singapore didn't invest much up until johor and Singapore agreed to the terms you copypasted.

3. once agreement ends in 2061, everything reverts to johor and Singapore can't get a drop of water from johor unless they do a new agreement.

you keep mentioning that johor should take over the water treatment? do you understand 'breach of contract'?

here's some nice old news about how much Singapore actually paying johor to supply johor with water:

https://www.quora.com/Under-the-1961-1962-w...n-for-raw-water

here's an analogy

1. Singapore and Johor need house.

2. Johor has land but not so much money, so Singapore builds house using 100% of Singapore's money on Johor's land.

3. Johor and Singapore make agreement, whereby Singapore pays for everything (quit rent, assessment, bills, unifi, furnishing etc.) and Johor pay token sum of rm500/month to use everything inside the house and stay inside house as well.

no matter how you calculate it, Singapore pays more compared to johor in this regard.

4. however in same agreement Johor will also get the house in 2061 for free and Singapore must move out, but cannot remove anything from house at all, cannot claim anything at all.

5. Johor also all this while sublet the some of the rooms in the house that Singapore and Johor share to Johor's cousins and friends, and the amount Johor collects from the subletting effectively exceeds the rm500/month that Johor pay to Singapore, and this is also in the agreement and Singapore can't object to other ppl staying in the house bcos they are Johor's friends and cousins.

Johor's cousins and friends who live in Johor's part of house don't have to leave after 2061, unlike Singapore...

Once Singapore leave house Johor get a bigger house and can even increase rent to his cousins and friends who still stay there...

if Singapore wants to continue living inside the now-legally-owned-by-johor house beyond 2061, they have to do new agreement.

despite it's Singapore that effectively built and kept the house...

now you understand?

Yeah, acquiring Johor (politically or militarily) will solve a lot of Singapore's problems but will definitely create a lot of new problems with the remaining butthurt states of Peninsula Malaysia.

This could be in Singapore's military doctrine that's not publicly known, so instead of upping our game, and in the meantime leveraging on each other, spending so much time and effort by getting butthurt that we're paying Singapore RM500 (is it SGD or MYR?) per day for water and the fact that we will be paying maintenance on infra that Singapore built in the future.

This lack of vision and kiasuness by some Malaysians will doom us to remain backwater nation for a long long time.

Now that explains on why Penangites semua otak tak center one.

But gotta give Penang gutter food some credit, really the worst and overrated junks I had ever tasted out in the universe.

Same case if you deal with rich company. If you have no money how to earn your stand? How do you feel being bully by richer country? Same as you cronies bullying we citizen in own land. You made mistake then you should deal it humbly not like kids crying over split milks.
You comment is fully agreed. Same…e as we live in Malaysia society, if you nothing . No body bother bout you, if you rich and somebody ppl will jilat you.
Stop talking fairness, you got cash you are king.

morally wrong doesnt stand in court

true story

i can say that fella arrogant as fuck, but if it's not against the law, then nothing can be done.

Let me try to help you Malaysian to Malaysian

You now want to sell treated water to SG at S$1 for 1st 40m3 and so on.

Then wtf is SG doing when they sell to MY at RM0.50 per 1,000 gallons?

If you still dun understand, SG is subsidizing Johor for treated water.

Bear in mind, Johor din lift a single finger to build, pay or construct all the water infra. This means the water will just flow into the open sea, ie Cantonese say salt water sea.

It is quite sad that no MY govt officers had disputed a single word in SG's statements since the 1990s.

If this goes to any court, the judge will surely take the entire transaction as a whole and not just 3 sen per 1,000 gallons.

https://www1.mfa.gov.sg/SINGAPORES-FOREIGN-...ater-Agreements

The above will show the full facts which both DR M and the MY media will not want the MY public to know

Bro, by just paying rental cukai tanah etc, that is already enough? Top kek la you. They don't have land, use our land, paying for cukai tanah and rental is expected. We now talking about new water rate, not land leasing. If you want to drag land leasing into discussion, why don't you drag and show me total taxes paid by Singaporean in johor? Total business they bring?

Even if we raise the water rate, they will continue paying cukai tanah and rental, and even we increase the water price, SG knew it will still be cheaper options, they also don't have enough land.

Don't you see ranhill is charging higher rate why? To cover for the plant maintainance which was hand over to us like you mention, end of the day who pay? Malaysian. By 2061, water rate we Malaysian (in Johor) pays will increase again.

Johor can't supply enough water? Because they found the tongkat of buying and selling and not bothering supplying. Johor is able to supply for both Johor and Singapore.

Bro, what's wrong for Singapore to pay more? It's expected. They need vital water sources and gas. In the agreement they get both resources.

Please, we don't have myr 320 million? Really? We can't afford it? We aren't talking about billions here.

We get the facilities in 2061 for free? At what cost? Maintaining it. End of the day who is paying the maintainance? Ranhill? No, it will be Malaysian.
2061 we draft new agreement? Why not we draft new one now? Taking into consideration cost we need absorb to maintaining the world class treatment plant.

Bro try tell me which state have the most exspensive water rate in Malaysia?

You will understand, whatever subsidy paid by Singapore is useless if the water rate is still highest in Malaysia. My as well we sell to Singaporean , profit from them and use the profit to subsidies Malaysian.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Mar 4 2019, 10:36 AM

MY can obviously propose selling treated water to SG anytime we are ready.

However, do you intend to respect the current contract?

If yes, ayam proud.

If no, where is the respect for written and signed agreements in Baru Malaysia?

The whole world is watching

This post has been edited by ekookekook: Mar 4 2019, 10:38 AM

Don't buy if dun like. No one forcing you, singkies!

Respecting current contract which was drafted without exit clause, review terms in future and was 50 years old?

Is it a fair contract?