See their game? Buying raw water from us, treated it and selling it back to us, now, we are paying them instead of they paying us.

Singapore pays 3 sen (1 Singapore cent) per 1,000 gallons of raw water, and sells treated water back to Johor at 50 sen per 1,000 gallons.

Singapore drawing up to 250 million gallons a day (mgd) of raw water from the Johor River, and Johor entitled to 5mgd of treated water from Singapore.

Per above, SG buying raw water from us @ rm 7500, they are selling treated water to us @ rm 2500.
In the video, the minister admitted that they are selling more than the agreement of 5mgd @ 16 million gallons of treated water back to us. So they paid us rm7500, we pay them rm 8000.00. We actually paying then rm 500 daily.

Walao, we give them 250 m gallons, they give us back 16 m gallons and we need to pay them at the end of the day. Win liao lo.

We don't know how to treat water? We don't have land to build water treatment plant? We don't have money? Don't have technology? I suggest no more exporting raw water to sg, they want buy, buy treated water from us @ rate 40 cent / 1000 gallon (20% below what they selling us) we will build water treatment plant in johor.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Mar 3 2019, 04:10 PM

Press when we can, pull when we have to. SG need us more or we need them more? without raw materials what can SG do?

We can milk them, we have to milk them.

Then why they die die want to buy from us? Die die don't want to let go the raw water deal? Because the cost is higher, they knew it. We knew it as well.

Yup, without the causeway, ship don't need Singapore. They can pass between SG and Malaysia.

So crooked bridge is also a must for us.

You think malaysia need sg? What has sg contributed to Malaysia? Tourism? Why don't you say sg citizens are bored there in SG and finding a cheaper vacation gateways?

It's for the shipping company to decides which country they prefer, they want pay rm or sgd, but we need to lift up the blockade @ causeway first.

The foreigner property investors per above, is benefitting Malaysian or benefitting Singaporean? Sure, they paid taxes, but are they paying taxes without making any profit?

As of investment, as long as there are money to be make, anyone will make it, don't necessarily only come from SG people. And to be honest, I don't think they will give up making money and stop investing in Malaysia just because of water deal and crooked bridge.

As of tourist, who is the one get bored and wanted to find some entertainment? Have you heard how Malaysian are complaining about how Singaporean driving up the cost of living in JB?

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Mar 3 2019, 04:47 PM

They will continue doing so even with new water deal and crooked bridge. Look at Indonesia, no matter how fuck up the country is, Singaporean still going there for vacation.

Im not saying it's SG fault, I'm just saying it's time we milk what we can from other country instead of milking from our own people.
It's time we being more competitive against other country at the same time building good trade relationships. By good trade relationship, I mean good trading, one where the profits are shared.

Yup, fully agreed, yet some forumer here are scared of losing SG tourist and investors. They aren't China. We have nothing to be scare of SG, they will still do things they are doing now because the other alternative is exspensive.

Interesting you bring in lingui dam into discussion, there are no free meal in the world, especially when dealing with Singaporean. They will milk whatever they can.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...VcZ5dtOpHAcmdt2

Together with the water agreement signed, there was also another agreement signed with Malaysian oil company Petronas that secured the supply of 150 million cu ft (about 4.2 million cu m) of natural gas from Terengganu to Singapore.[7]Talks leading up to the 1990 water agreement had begun as far back as August 1982 when Singapore and Malaysia agreed to study ways, including the joint development of new water facilities, to enable both Singapore and Johor to draw more water from the Johor River to meet their future needs

I didn't know Johor cannot treat it's own water in future. Im not talking about now, im talking about in future.

Look like you're one of the people milking malaysia as well. No wonder such a strong rejection.

Have a personal question would like to ask you, have you visited genting highland? Just wondering if SG people prefer sentosa island or genting highland.

Another example of how SG is milking MY. Hope Malaysian will wake up.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Mar 3 2019, 05:32 PM

I see it at another angle, SG can't get any better deal except from Malaysia, reason SG buying from Malaysia because it's cheap.

Take below article for example, about importing chicken egg from my.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...fGO6rrBgN4QYsM4

SG said they can import egg from TH. The things is the market cost for 10 egg in TH is 45 bath = myr 5.77 and the alternative SG is saying is more exspensive than malaysia. That haven't including logistics cost, transporting egg from TH to SG is impossible to be cheaper than transporting from Johor to SG.

You knew it, we knew it. So stop trying to say SG is Malaysia biggest customers. SG had other alternative but why they can't exercise it? So, we push when we can, because you will still buy from us even though we are exerting political pressure on your government. Water deal is coming, I don't see why we need to back down and Singaporean will still buy from Malaysia. Water or farming products or other things for as long as we are cheaper.

China isn't our competitor, they are our trading customers, it's always been like that since years ago, Singapore is our competitors in Malacca strait competing to get China monies. There are resources and technologies which China have and we don't have, but there are nothing that Singapore have which we dont have.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Mar 3 2019, 08:22 PM

They can afford it, I didn't say they can't afford it, but why still choosing Malaysia? Because it's better options.

Same goes to water deal, SG can opt for alternatives and not to buy from us. They already found the alternative years ago, they can turn sea waters and waste waters to drinkable waters.
Yet, they dying to protect the MY SG water deal. Why?

You like it or not, water deal is going to be push through, so Singaporean should prepare to pay few cent more for the water they can afford it. Few cent increase of price for a cup of coffee in kopitiam wouldn't kill them. At least the price won't double.

87 we opt not to renew = we forever no need review? That's more than 30 years ago. And the agreement is 50 years ago.
Morality?

SG selling water back to MY? Good business eh? getting 234 mgd of raw water for free and MY need to pay rm 500 more. The cost of treating water is higher than what SG is selling us? Believe me, we can also treat water in Malaysia at 1/3 the cost of SG.

SG spend billion for water facilities in Johor at the same time getting side contract with petronas? Also who is paying maintainance fees after the facilities is handed to us?

Then you have to stop your trader from buying cheap egg and selling at premiums to get profits, they should get better egg from AU. Or TH since they are selling at higher price.

Can't believe you're actually comparing consumable goods with properties. Do you know that Malaysia didn't sell the river to SG? Our grandfather who once eat rice at few cent sgd is now eating the same rice at 1 dollar, can we go back and ask the Society to sell it at few cent? Why not?

It's not too late, johor can do that now, instead of raw water, why not we sell treated water to SG?

Side contract with petronas? I post the link earlier, go find the link yourself. Very smart, want us to pay maintainance fees for Singaporean benefits, my as well we pay everything and get the water treated here in Malaysia since we aready doing some of it.

Yes win win, so why is it so difficult to increase the cost from 3 cent myr to 17 cent myr? SG can afford it. MY will be happy and its win win no?

Why keep on protesting it? Just agree with it and move on.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Mar 3 2019, 09:15 PM

It's contradicting what you're saying now with your post earlier. So if I understand it correctly, SG can afford to pay more but will not be paying us more because of an agreement made 50 years ago and felt that it is morally right?

Hope SG is in the position to do so, to protect the deal for as long as they can.