Well I do not know what is morally wrong about keeping to your part of the agreement. Lol. Do not listen to Tun too much. Heed my advice. He is an opportunistic politician. May allah and especially the people whom he offended all this while forgive him.

Let's say you rent a room at say 5 myr per day and there is a signed agreement between you and the landlord. Obviously, you will seek to maintain the rent at 5 myr. It is a totally different thing if the landlord inserted a clause stating that the price will go up several months down the road.

See their game? Buying raw water from us, treated it and selling it back to us, now, we are paying them instead of they paying us.

Singapore pays 3 sen (1 Singapore cent) per 1,000 gallons of raw water, and sells treated water back to Johor at 50 sen per 1,000 gallons.

Singapore drawing up to 250 million gallons a day (mgd) of raw water from the Johor River, and Johor entitled to 5mgd of treated water from Singapore.

Per above, SG buying raw water from us @ rm 7500, they are selling treated water to us @ rm 2500.
In the video, the minister admitted that they are selling more than the agreement of 5mgd @ 16 million gallons of treated water back to us. So they paid us rm7500, we pay them rm 8000.00. We actually paying then rm 500 daily.

Walao, we give them 250 m gallons, they give us back 16 m gallons and we need to pay them at the end of the day. Win liao lo.

We don't know how to treat water? We don't have land to build water treatment plant? We don't have money? Don't have technology? I suggest no more exporting raw water to sg, they want buy, buy treated water from us @ rate 40 cent / 1000 gallon (20% below what they selling us) we will build water treatment plant in johor.

kesian tak baca any of my explanation.

or didn't realise it cost RM2.40 to Singapore to treat 1,000 gallon of raw water that Johor got for only RM0.50....

so Singapore lose RM1.90 for every 1,000 gallon that they sell to Johor.

BTW, here's some enlightenment:

1. johor never exported raw water to Singapore and Singapore never imported raw water from johor.

2. all water that flow thru those pipes you see at the causeway are treated water and not raw water.

the water flow only 1 way (from johor to Singapore)

3. all raw water that Singapore collect go to their water treatment plant located in Johor. you can see one of such previously owned by Singapore water treatment plants beside the road at jalan skudai, just before the exit to UTM skudai.

now that plant is owned by ranhill as the lease expired with the end of the 1st agreement back in 2011.

but the kampung that the previous staff of the plants stayed nearby has always been called kampung PUB (public utilities board, the name of Singapore's water utility company).

Do you know SG is selling treated watet at a loss to Johor?

SG quoted S$2.40 to treat water.  So far,  no MY govt officer dispute the figure😡

Will judge consider this?

Cost to treat water in malaysia is RM 2.30. So rather than paying RM 7.20 to singkapor why not use the balance to build a better water treatment plant in johor.

Maybe can ask Johor MB to consider this.

kesian x faham.

what mleemlee232 is saying is that the water Singapore sold to us for RM0.50 per 1k gallon costs RM7.20 to Singapore.

it's Singapore that are losing money selling treated water to johor.

but no one from Johor will admit this publicly bcos then it will open a huge can of worms...

Tun isn't going to live forever, but the water deal will   and an agreement without exit clause, without price increments/adjustment due inflation, without clause to renegotiate, is it still applicable in today's agreement standard? Is it morally right? What so if one of the direct party is not happy with the agreement.

Don't misunderstand what I mean, we aren't asking for things which aren't us, we are just asking for things which we deserves.

Let say you're the landlord, are you going to rent the room at 5 myr for 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? You know it's impossible right? We arent asking for 1 dollar, just 14 cent myr and you admit that SG can very well afford it.

I think we should put a stop on SG leeching on MY resources to make themselves wealthier. From manpower, raw resources to controlling Malacca Strait.

But there was a 1987 provision for price review n none other than Dr M himself chose not to review😡 the reason is because SG paid hundreds of million of dollars to build water treatment plant. 

Alot of Malaysians dun know abt this as Dr M n MY media kept radio silence over this.  I hope i m not leaking state secrets😟

Imagine if we go to court,  judge will surely look at the SG investment cost as a factor to consider.  But in any case,  we lost our right to review in 1987 liao😡

Better Johor/Malaysia gov start to make our own water treatment plant la.. What holding us from doing so??

1987 is 30 years ago, who's paying the maintainance for the plant? Also we didn't charge SG the cost of treated water since they help with water treatment plant. We are selling as raw waters for 30 years since 87 no?

Thanks for your explanation, then it's better for johor not selling it at raw water price, straight selling it as treated water to Singapore right? It make much more sense that way.

SG paying maintenance costs for the plant that supplied treated water to Johor since 1987.

Thot it is clear that SG is subsiding Johor. Thats why Johor continue to rely on SG.  johor din hv to lift a finger n treated water will be sold at 50 sen to them (when actual cost is S$2.40) n above contracted quantity in the agreement.

the deal is Singapore buy raw water not treated water.

but when deal is signed Singapore didn't have land for treatment plant.

land in johor cheaper then.

besides treating water for Singapore's use, they also treat the water for Johor's use.

that was the deal.

the deal signed has provisions whereby the plants that Singapore build will be handed over to johor once deal lapses.

as mentioned many times Singapore already gave johor the 1st water treatment plant built under the 1st agreement that lapsed in 2011.

johor in turn gave rights to operate that water treatment plant and sell water to crony company ranhill…

   

I don't think msia has the ability to run a world class water treatment plant.

U see when sg treats the water, it is crystal clear and u can drink it straight.

U go to places like kl, the bloody tap water is yellow with thick chlorine and has sediments and floating stuff inside.

So there u go.

But nowadays even a xiaomi water purfier has membrane technology and can filter waste water to become drinkable...for 1000 ringgit so it is not like we are in 1960s

that one is bcos syabas never replaced their old pipes.

besides that's what you get from free or cheap water     

1987 is 30 years ago, who's paying the maintainance for the plant? Also we didn't charge SG the cost of treated water since they help with water treatment plant. We are selling as raw waters for 30 years since 87 no?

Then what is Dr M barking about?

He was the PM that chose not to review in 1987.

He purposely din build water treatment plant in Johor.

Yes and johor govt will sell that 50 sen water to ppl in johor for a lot more like 1.99 ringgit? And make a profit doing nothing.

That's the real reason why they don't want to cut water.

U think they have billions and the expertise to run a water treatment plant as well as sg?

Maybe but surely not as well

Means now we are paying for the plant maintaince fees since 2011? Walao , really no free meal from sg. We are paying them 250mgd -16mgd raw treated water, paying them rm500 everyday and still need to pay to maintain the treatment plant?

what /k think???