Johor getting treated water at zero cost? The 50 cent we paying SG is not a cost?

Also you admitted that Ranhill is taking over the plant hand over by SG in 2011, they are maintaining it. Pay 50 cent for treated water from SG, summore pay to maintain the 44 plant taken over in 2011 from SG.

Go figure.
In 2061, there are another plant hand over to us.

Singapore paid for the infra (dams, piping, water treatment plants, the land required, etc), not to say I prefer this arrangement but Singapore follow the agreement and even went beyond the agreement to supply extra treated water to Johor. And when Johor cannot supply enough water as per the agreement, Singapore built extra infra for Malaysia which will be given to Malaysia once the contract period expires.

I'd say we better wise up to what Tun M is doing, and make our own conclusions.

We can say we kena conned by building a causeway that prevented ships to bypass Singapore port but that could be moot if China's belt and road initiative works (China is planning multiple infra to bypass Straits of Melacca, from Myanmar, or Isthmus of Kra in Thailand, or Port Klang to Kuantan Port, or even from Europe straight to China by rail).

Building the stupid crooked bridge won't help and arguing over the water agreement won't help in the big scheme of things.

Why need to compete when you can complement and strive for win-win? Up our game, focus on our strengths and let Singapore focus on theirs. Tun M is letting old wounds cloud his judgement or divert from what's really urgent, and saying things that rakyat don't want to hear.

Furthermore, spending money on military hardware upgrades to show to your neighbours is also not the best use of resources when you can make peace and divert the money to better use.

All this emo emo and political posturing is not really helping the day to day struggles that Malaysians are facing.

Lol, people keep on bringing that bridge!

Did you all know that even with that crooked bridge big ships cant go through there because of 2nd bridge?

Not only that, the strait water is way too shallow and narrow.

Lastly, with the treacherous route, do you guys really think it will save a lot of time going through that straits?

and how are they going to survive without water? and how are they going to justify 3sen per 1000gallon of water in2019 ? no one will say this agreement is fair ? johor will collapse ? maybe singapore will collapse first without water

I give up.

what part of getting paid RM3.10/1000 gallon for doing nothing that you refuse to understand?

what part of getting a multi million dollar water treatment plant for FREE that you can't understand?

what part of ranhill and johor govt. profiting from johor consumers that you seem to not understand?

even if after 2061, cost to treat water stay the same (RM2.40), cost of raw water is now zero (bcos it's all water in johor and we don't sell anymore to Singapore) and selling it at RM3.60, that's still gross profit of RM1.20 from previous of RM3.10.

no loan to pay off from building water plant etc.

free money! from selling raw water!

his usual counter is that we pay singapore RM0.50! not free! Singapore tipu!

The main point is that barang sudah naik harga dalam masa beberapa tahun tapi air tak naik berpuluh-puluh tahun

And Sgs point is that this is an international agreement. Kejanjian antara dua jiran. Nevermind the moral part of keeping to your promises or what Islam says about it. Furthermore, Tun forgo the right of review in 1987. So why the fuss?

To tell you the truth. I do believe Sg given its wealth is prepared to pay more. But how did My approach Sg? Accuse this..accuse that. Do you really expect Sg to say yes esp. when it is economically, militarily and financially better.

Sg will just sit there and watch My moan and groan. In a few years, they will just stop buying - this is their stated goal anyway.

Are you suggesting that Baru Malaysia should not honour the written agreement and sacrifice Johor?

The world is watching us

This post has been edited by ja836kyau: Mar 4 2019, 12:50 PM

Ok. Is the whole damn popping and treatment is all build by own cost Sg? Then if yes, why hoo haa. We pay for treated water and sell it with profit to consumer with profit. If you say Sg profit, but then they had to bare for operation cost. At the end both parties also no loose. We sell raw and and resale treated water to consumer and profit.

Since we got the plant for foc why not sell raw water more expensive so we can earn more at both sections.
Off course is good idea. But you think Sg bodoh like how to enforce those indah water charges on us? We dun have tongkat card to play with Sg.Over here, as long tongkat card activated we can't do anything.

This post has been edited by smwah: Mar 4 2019, 01:33 PM

Just sad that our PM and media willfully announce selected information about the water deal

Dont think Malaysians know about SG spent billions of RM and handover Lingui dam and water infrastructure to Johor in 1990.

No wonder Dr M didn't review the price of water in 1987 as provided in the agreement.

i think it's the desalination plants.. yea it's quite pricey.. haha..

hahaha.. if they bring.. then the AG will have a very very hard time.. lol..

Think Malaysia sure lose.

The court will have full information. Especially the fact that SG paid billions of RM in building Lingui dam and Johor water infra.

Only the Malaysian public who had been misled and mis-informed by Dr M and the Malaysian media will think otherwise.

they saw this coming and has been preparing since. years ago they spent a lot of money on building water catchment/purifying facilities, reservoirs and educating their citizens abt how they are working towards water self sufficiency..

they should be self sufficient now, if not close too... there's little meaning in threatening sg on closing the tap, aside from cheap publicity

Over a billion dollar spend since 1962 for 3 sen water price (57 years price lock)

RM 1billion in 1990s dollars is how much today?

Anyway, DR M agreed not to review in 1987. Scold him if you think he is stupid.

The key issue is the Malaysian public is not aware of this FACT

Tax havens depend on double-taxation agreements with many countries to survive. Singapore is not technically a tax haven. Most tax havens don't have personal income, corporate and sales taxes.

If another country doesn't have double-taxation agreement with Labuan, its companies cannot make use of it to avoid tax.

What Singapore is doing is disguising transfer pricing activity as some kind of a value-added activity when they are actually just small office set up there to do re-invoicing. Nothing compared to the full scale factory or mine or plantation of the origin country that earned the profit.

For this kind of set up the Singapore government gives an investment incentive such as a corporate tax rate of below 1%. Even at 0%, Singapore already earned from all the accounting, IT and legal services, rent, utility, salaries. But the other countries lose a lot of revenue. Revenue that they totally deserve.

It could even be pricier if they use distillation as the method of desalination.

Right now Singapore is using reverse osmosis, which is not as energy-intensive as distillation. But reverse osmosis cannot remove everything, only distillation can.

Pharmaceuticals, herbicides, pesticides can be found in the reverse osmosis water. Not easy to remove them all. That's why scientists are warning about the use of desalinated water.

I thought I read some ktard said that RO water in Singapore is making some people sick and had been stopped so it is used for industrial purposes instead.

Diam-la dupe! need to create new account to answer? All singkies know is how to con malaysians...water deal is one sided from day one. Who needs the water more, singkies or johor? Laws and contracts can be broken if unfair and one-sided..