I see you are very passionate in this issue which is fine for me. It is not up to me to remove them I am indifferent. More the better if they put his face there so other ppl know and be weary.

Also pls tell me how i twist your word and i will amend it

Btw not protecting him. In fact I think God forbid he should be jailed for his wrong doing. His wife too.

In anycase your allegation on him continue receiving money is...hmmm anyway I dont care he will be in jail anyway....

at least they are not into politics... i think they tried... but lee bashed them with his iron fist

i see... do they pray in tongue?

Wow so they are cult group.

They do

Dunno who’ll be one in the end. You can’t be too sure. I may have the last laugh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Harvest_Church

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/cour...harvest-trial-0

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/cour...jail-terms-kong

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/city...erm-wife-sun-ho

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/rise...uperstar-pastor

https://mustsharenews.com/things-kong-hee-owns/

https://mothership.sg/2015/11/kong-hee-sun-...ves-in-3-years/

http://finance.theindependent.sg/luxury-se...over-2-million/

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/cour...oatman-remanded


This post has been edited by newbie: Jan 11 2019, 10:47 AM

With your last statement, I am looking at one NOW.

That's why I said you can go any other church, there is plenty of churches out there. I don't understand why the follower so furious. If you are faithful, there are so many churches in Malaysia. Why you must donate the money to the obvious Con church with Kong Hee name?
Progressive church usually allows people to ask questions, only the conservative church will keep protect the wrong things
Conservative christian example : Donald Trump
So you should advise the church to remove Kong Hee name, not here argue with me

Yada yada yada...I’m prepared to be condemned to hell or whatever it is. Are you?

Funny that TS keep saying the church should remove kong hee's name.

Transparent salah

Conceal tak salah

Phailed logic

It's like your teacher in secondary taught you good good, you get banyak A in all exams, now doing well in life thanks to his teachings. Then one day you found out your teacher robbed a bank and got caught, so then you dissociate yourself from your teacher. Even though you know without him, you won't be successful today.

Same goes for the relationship between the founder and Kong Hee.

They renounce their ties with Kong Hee's church by changing name to dissociate themselves from the scandal.

Fact wise, that without Kong Hee's guidance, there won't be Collective KL or CHCKL or whatever their name will be. So from here it's easy to play "anak derhaka", by denouncing Kong Hee or doing what you suggested; but they didn't, gratitude is gratitude, and it is a personal gratitude. So when people ask :"So did Kong Hee guided this church?" Are they gonna answer, oh no no , we don't know and we hate Kong Hee which a blatant lie and go against the principle of the Bible?

This post has been edited by less1234: Jan 11 2019, 10:54 AM

Trademark will be like a section of the website dedicated to donation where credit card payment is accepted

TS is memang anti religion in the first place

all this is just wayang to push his actual agenda

Funny la u....why I should ask them to remove it. I drive BMW i go ask Volkswagen why your CEO still there ..

Anyway...are you attending that church ahh?

it is still a gratitutte Lolx

What kind of twisting logic is this? Is this how you brainwashed the adherent? If he is a good teacher, good personality, we definitely respect him. Robbing is wrong, of course we condemn. Is any school in Malaysia or Singapore will praise the bad teacher publicly? I doubt so. If you want to show personal gratitude, you should do it privately, not put on the public website, this is misleading
Just a reverse question, if the "Good teacher" kill your relative during the rob, can you still show gratitude to him and walk away, said " Nvm he used to be good teacher, is okay for him to kill? Okay ?

This post has been edited by whitefong: Jan 11 2019, 11:19 AM

i see..

https://helenang.wordpress.com/2018/05/06/ge14/

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Yeap, I did visited him in prison, life imprisonment sadly, although he didn't kill my relative, he harmed and traumatized my wife, he fell on hard times, I won't judge him on doing so as I did not put myself in his shoes.

Here is two comparisons

You watch Les~miserable? A guy steals a bread for a hungry kid, yes for this case I don't judge him. But it is still a wrong doing.
For Pastor Kong Hee, he deserves the punishment, we should condemn him, because he steal the church money, spends for his personal luxury lifestyle, those are horrible things. And Collective Kl should fully aware of this and must remove such scammer name