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post Apr 15 2019, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(filage @ Apr 15 2019, 07:13 AM)
If car alternator fails, the battery will serve to power the aircond, spark plugs, radio and all things electrical while engine runs correct?

My alternator icon lit up before indicating no charge from alternator. After I had my alternator changed, the battery died a few days later. The drive during alternator failure must have took up all the battery charge.
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You are correct. The battery is the only primary source of power even without cranking the car.

As for the battery that died a few days later after changing to a new alternator, it's plausible. However that raises a few more questions like :

i) Why wasn't the health of the battery verified at that time when the alternator had failed ?

ii) Why didn't the new alternator manage to charge up the dead battery if the car was driven long enough ? Or was it the short drives that finallly killed the dead battery ?
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iii) Was there a proper Battery Test Report done, after changing the alternator to ensure that the entire system is in perfect working condition ? If the test was done, the impending problem with the battery would have popped up !

No I am not blaming you lol but fact finding as we all are.

The truth of the matter is, to diagnose a problem like this requires the elimination process and with the right tools. Only then we can properly identify the real root cause of the problem.

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post Apr 15 2019, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Apr 15 2019, 07:44 AM)
Some1 offered battery charger rental here in Automotive section; can't remember if it was in this thread or another. rent the charger (just for testing purpose)and just try to recharge this panasonic battery of yours in recond or agm mode and most probably it can be revived to its former glory.

the problem with most users is, they never bothered to read up on battery tech and just buy whatever shop recommends or marketing hype, i.e silver la calcium la will be da best of da best. fact is these silver-ca or ca-ca batteries require higher voltage alternators to fully charge. something your run-of-da-mill jap or local car alternator never designed for. agm/recond mode charging of newer smart chargers may bridge this mismatch.

would recommend you to take out the battery from your car to charge in agm/recond mode, coz i am not sure whether your electronics can take the 14.7v for a few hours during charging or not.

i revived my bosch sm mega power 38b24 (non-mf), which i suspect is a rebranded panasonic using this method. it is working like new again. now 4.5yrs old.
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That only works if all the cells are in perfect working condition. If there's a defective cell or cells among them, then there no guarantee that it will not fail in the short term.

Can't remember the exact reason(s) why other materials are added into the batteries by the manufacturers but I can safely presume it's for performance but there's always a trade off. Similar to that of Specific Gravity, the higher the value, the better performance it will have but that comes with a shorter lifespan.

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post Apr 15 2019, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Apr 15 2019, 07:44 AM)
Some1 offered battery charger rental here in Automotive section; can't remember if it was in this thread or another. rent the charger (just for testing purpose)and just try to recharge this panasonic battery of yours in recond or agm mode and most probably it can be revived to its former glory.

the problem with most users is, they never bothered to read up on battery tech and just buy whatever shop recommends or marketing hype, i.e silver la calcium la will be da best of da best. fact is these silver-ca or ca-ca batteries require higher voltage alternators to fully charge. something your run-of-da-mill jap or local car alternator never designed for. agm/recond mode charging of newer smart chargers may bridge this mismatch.

would recommend you to take out the battery from your car to charge in agm/recond mode, coz i am not sure whether your electronics can take the 14.7v for a few hours during charging or not.

i revived my bosch sm mega power 38b24 (non-mf), which i suspect is a rebranded panasonic using this method. it is working like new again. now 4.5yrs old.
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but but but..if take out battery, wont i need to set back a lot of stuff? clock, radio, etc.

any idea / some hint where/how to find out the forummer that offered the rental?
edited: found it. thanks.

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post Apr 15 2019, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 15 2019, 09:43 AM)
but but but..if take out battery, wont i need to set back a lot of stuff? clock, radio, etc.

any idea / some hint where/how to find out the forummer that offered the rental?
edited: found it. thanks.
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Old vehicles no problems but it's the newer ones that are causing lots of problems even with changing of batteries !!! Silap hari bulan, kereta cannot start even with new battery. Masuk SC kena belanja lebih lagi pasal kena masuk program. Kalau tidak camne nak cari makan !

What you need bro., is battery memory saver wherein an secondary alternative power supply is linked up so that memory is retained while the primary dead battery is being exchanged.

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post Aug 25 2019, 10:11 AM

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i removed NS40ZL battery(wet type) out to charge using smart charger. the car is used like 4-5 times in a month for short journey only

i think it's more than 24hours and the charging wasnt full yet.

when i took out to charge it was like 12.5V only. epic, replaced the alternator also cant charge it to high voltage around 13+

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post Aug 25 2019, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Aug 25 2019, 10:11 AM)
i removed NS40ZL battery(wet type) out to charge using smart charger. the car is used like 4-5 times in a month for short journey only

i think it's more than 24hours and the charging wasnt full yet.

when i took out to charge it was like 12.5V only. epic, replaced the alternator also cant charge it to high voltage around 13+
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Higher degree of sulfation, I guess.
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post Sep 13 2019, 09:48 AM

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My stock battery start to show signs of degration. If I send the battery to workshop for recharging/smart charging/ deep charging, can it restore the battery performance?

My battery is already 33months.
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post Sep 13 2019, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(faeez87 @ Sep 13 2019, 09:48 AM)
My stock battery start to show signs of degration. If I send the battery to workshop for recharging/smart charging/ deep charging, can it restore the battery performance?

My battery is already 33months.
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It will impossible to restore the performance until its like new. It depends very much on the degree of degradation I presume for example if theres so much shedding until the anode is left the grid only without any active paste whatsoever, I doubt it will work. Would you know the measured and rating of the battery's CCA ? Are you in Melaka ?

I have 2 batteries that are 26 & 33 months respectively and they are in excellent condition. Taking care of lead-acid battery begins from day 1 of installation and some might even say before installation is done. 😊

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post Oct 2 2019, 08:00 PM

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Finally departed my 6yrs 9 months old Century Marathoner NS70L battery on my Sorento. cry.gif

This time betting on Amaron 18mths warranty 95D26L - rm350

Let see how it goes!
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Oct 2 2019, 08:00 PM)
Finally departed my 6yrs 9 months old Century Marathoner NS70L battery on my Sorento. cry.gif

This time betting on Amaron 18mths warranty 95D26L - rm350

Let see how it goes!
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What ! That's unbelievable. Great job man of taking care of that battery. 81 months. Please share what would be the greatest thing that you did, that would have contributed to such a long lifespan.

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post Oct 9 2019, 04:16 PM

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FYI.

Shopee shocking sales + there is another rm10 voucher.

https://shopee.com.my/Bosch-Battery-Charger...9151.2290425118
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post Oct 9 2019, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Oct 9 2019, 04:16 PM)
FYI.

Shopee shocking sales + there is another rm10 voucher.

https://shopee.com.my/Bosch-Battery-Charger...9151.2290425118
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Hi bro.,

That is interesting. I was wondering about this, how does one use the Bosch C7 as a backup power supply ? I couldn't find any videos on this particular function.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Oct 9 2019, 04:33 PM)
Hi bro.,

That is interesting. I was wondering about this, how does one use the Bosch C7 as a backup power supply ? I couldn't find any videos on this particular function.
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i dunno bro, i live in a condo, i dont even have the luxury to have a power point near my car.
just second before i open back this browser tab, i was thinking "no point researching, since i cant use it anyway". that is after i try google and youtube a bit for research laugh.gif
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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Oct 9 2019, 04:39 PM)
i dunno bro, i live in a condo, i dont even have the luxury to have a power point near my car.
just second before i open back this browser tab, i was thinking "no point researching, since i cant use it anyway". that is after i try google and youtube a bit for research  laugh.gif
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If you dont live too high up and if your car allotted car park is directly align with your unit below, are you not allowed to drop a very long extended wire to car to power the charger ? I am just guessing as I don't know such house rules.


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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Oct 9 2019, 04:39 PM)
i dunno bro, i live in a condo, i dont even have the luxury to have a power point near my car.
just second before i open back this browser tab, i was thinking "no point researching, since i cant use it anyway". that is after i try google and youtube a bit for research  laugh.gif
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You can dismantle the battery and bring it back to your house for charging. There is the hassle of radio getting reset but otherwise, no other issues. Perhaps the ECU will get reset but it's fine. Let it relearn your car settings.
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post Oct 9 2019, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Oct 9 2019, 05:13 PM)
You can dismantle the battery and bring it back to your house for charging. There is the hassle of radio getting reset but otherwise, no other issues. Perhaps the ECU will get reset but it's fine. Let it relearn your car settings.
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Some modern cars won't even start after all power supply has been disconnected and reconnected again. Those with such cars must proceed with extreme caution.

Why on earth they make such complicated cars which most probably buyers wouldn't even want, is beyond me except from the business view point. Resetting the presets on radio, clock etc yes can be a hassle but those that can't, is a real pain in the butt.

So as consumers, be smart and avoid buying cars that are nothing but a pain in the butt. Hopefully that would send a clear message to the powers that be.

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Is that even possible for Century Marathoner battery to last until 27 months? as my battery now is at 25 months.. it sometime show sign of hard to start in the morning... not always but like 3-4 times in a month.

Any brand recommendation for honda city 2013 battery type NS40ZL??

currently read that varta black premium NS40ZL (B19/B20) Group

34B19L - 34 Ah, 272 CCA (RM190)
42B20L - 38 Ah, 340 CCA (RM210)

varta black premium is not so good?? how about amaron GO?

any recommendation car center that provide good price?

i found is https://www.vinbattery.com/

he quote me rm 190 for amaron GO

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QUOTE(edisoner90 @ Oct 14 2019, 02:42 PM)
Is that even possible for Century Marathoner battery to last until 27 months? as my battery now is at 25 months.. it sometime show sign of hard to start in the morning... not always but like 3-4 times in a month.

Any brand recommendation for honda city 2013 battery type  NS40ZL??

currently read that varta black premium NS40ZL (B19/B20) Group

34B19L - 34 Ah, 272 CCA (RM190)
42B20L - 38 Ah, 340 CCA (RM210)

varta black premium is not so good?? how about amaron GO?

any recommendation car center that provide good price?

i found is https://www.vinbattery.com/

he quote me rm 190 for amaron GO
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A lady whom I am monitoring her battery, the last Century Marathoner lasted 29 months in a 1st generation Myvi. It use to last 13~14 months on average. That is an 100% improvement.

My own personal achievement with Century is 48 months but now am targeting to hit 60 months.

A forummer Veejay recently posted that his Century Marathoner lasted a cool 6 years 9 months in a Sorento !

If you are in Melaka, I could drop by see how we can improve on the lifespan if you are keen on saving. Since you want to try out other brands it is ok too.

No worries, I remember telling a friend of mine and she thought I was joking with her.

BTW, the battery that is slowly experiencing difficulty in cranking the car means that the battery is on the way out definately. However that could also mean that there might be a problem with the charging system. Get it checked out. 😊

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post Oct 14 2019, 06:04 PM

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Always go for a better quality battery although it is more expensive.

A cheaper battery is bloody useless because some engine bay near the battery compartment has suffered so much corrosion from acid sulphuric leaking out everywhere from the battery. Maybe they are rich and could afford to change cars every few years.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Oct 14 2019, 06:04 PM)
Always go for a better quality battery although it is more expensive.

A cheaper battery is bloody useless because some engine bay near the battery compartment has suffered so much corrosion from acid sulphuric leaking out everywhere from the battery. Maybe they are rich and could afford to change cars every few years.
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Yes I agree with you. My recent experience with a cheaper battery didn’t go too well. I bought a cheaper car battery because my regular shop had no stock of a reputable battery then and offered me a cheaper brand. According to my mechanic my car climate control software glitches could have been caused by the battery. He told me don’t get such unfamiliar brand battery. Oh well lesson learned. I also learned after having the car for over 12 years my car aircond has software to manage the climate control. I’m now using FIAM battery. So far so good with the new battery and software reinstalled. He assured its a very good battery. He also gave me a volt meter to monitor the battery condition. Will give you feedback.

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