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kbandito
post Feb 12 2019, 05:17 PM

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Looking for RM400k term life.
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hyperthyroid history - Etiqa i-secure and ezy-secure don't accept me for that reason in the online application.
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post Feb 12 2019, 08:01 PM

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good ah....

my premium 300
agent eat 50%+ first two years
each month insurance charge eat 90+

so i give lesser premium la
HyourinMaru
post Feb 13 2019, 04:15 PM

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Do I need to have AIA insurance plan before eligible to appky for AIA Vitality? Called AIA CS he said can apply without any insurance with AIA, tried but it says not eligible.

Also, do all AIA insurances eligible for Vitality?
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post Feb 13 2019, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(HyourinMaru @ Feb 13 2019, 04:15 PM)
Do I need to have AIA insurance plan before eligible to appky for AIA Vitality? Called AIA CS he said can apply without any insurance with AIA, tried but it says not eligible.

Also, do all AIA insurances eligible for Vitality?
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Yes you need to have a AIA insurance policy to register for Vitality
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post Feb 13 2019, 04:20 PM

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Is it true that certain insurance companies like AIA will review the exclusion clauses of their customers every 2 yrs. May i know how is the successful rates for insurance companies to uplift the earlier exclusion clauses like eyes which was laser for retina weaknesses?
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post Feb 13 2019, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 13 2019, 04:16 PM)
Yes you need to have a AIA insurance policy to register for Vitality
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So any AIA insurance policy will do?
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post Feb 13 2019, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(hpteoh88 @ Feb 13 2019, 04:20 PM)
Is it true that certain insurance companies like AIA will review the exclusion clauses of their customers every 2 yrs. May i know how is the successful rates for insurance companies to uplift the earlier exclusion clauses like eyes which was laser for retina weaknesses?
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Most insurance company will accommodate to your request to review your exclusion clause, depending on whether improvement on your health status will allow you to appeal for the review.

QUOTE(HyourinMaru @ Feb 13 2019, 04:22 PM)
So any AIA insurance policy will do?
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Yes

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hpteoh88
post Feb 13 2019, 04:30 PM

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[quote=lifebalance,Feb 13 2019, 04:23 PM]
Most insurance company will accommodate to your request to review your exclusion clause, depending on whether improvement on your health status will allow you to appeal for the review.


What is the successful rate for insurance company to review the earlier exclusion clauses as i feel that insurance company and insurance agents are just using the excuses that insurance company will review the earlier exclusion clauses as a marketing gimmick for the customers to signed on the dotted lines telling the customers pls signed first and the insurance companies will review later in 2 yrs time to uplift the exclusion clauses....?

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post Feb 13 2019, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(hpteoh88 @ Feb 13 2019, 04:30 PM)
QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 13 2019, 04:23 PM)

Most insurance company will accommodate to your request to review your exclusion clause, depending on whether improvement on your health status will allow you to appeal for the review.

What is the successful rate for insurance company to review the earlier exclusion clauses as i feel that insurance company and insurance agents are just using the excuses that insurance company will review the earlier exclusion clauses as a marketing gimmick for the customers to signed on the dotted lines telling the customers pls signed first and the insurance companies will review later in 2 yrs time to uplift the exclusion clauses....?
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if your situation has really improved to the point that the underwriter deem that it's unnecessary to impose the exclusion, then I don't see an issue on the insurance company removing the exclusion.

Success rate depends on how positive is your doctor's comment and report on your situation. Just be wary that not all diseases / disability are given the same verdict on the appeal and its on case to case basis.

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post Feb 14 2019, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 11 2019, 09:16 PM)
Want to ask.... Let's say my ILP monthly premium is Rm300 per month... Insurance charge is rm100 per month...

Assuming that I already in the 7th year, which means 100% premium allocation to purchase unit....

Question: can I contribute variable premium from this stage onwards?
yes you can, if contribute lesser, then it will result in lesser cash value. if contribute more than the premium, the extra will be allocated to a suspend account (meaning it will be allocated to units, it will just sit in an account and do nothing), at the next due this extra amount will then go to the premium contribution.

E. G... Contribute Rm200 per month... Since inside got some cash value buffer...

If do it between y1 to T6, how will it affect agent distribution cost?
you contribute lesser, agent distribution cost will just follow the percentage. example if that particular year your premium paid is only 80%, that year agent only get 80%. but it will be considered as overdue (if you contribute lesser), if any other months you paid back the overdue premium, then agent will get back their commission.

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 12 2019, 08:01 PM)
good ah....

my premium 300
agent eat 50%+ first two years
each month insurance charge eat 90+

so i give lesser premium la
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not so sure what you mean here. hmm.gif

QUOTE(kbandito @ Feb 12 2019, 05:17 PM)
Looking for RM400k term life.
33 yo, male, non-smoker.
hyperthyroid history - Etiqa i-secure and ezy-secure don't accept me for that reason in the online application.
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you can consider AIA A-LifeProtectTerm.

This post has been edited by ckdenion: Feb 14 2019, 02:45 PM
wilson1149
post Feb 14 2019, 02:44 PM

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Hi all agents,

What different between investment link and medical insurance?

pros & cons?

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post Feb 14 2019, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(wilson1149 @ Feb 14 2019, 02:44 PM)
Hi all agents,

What different between investment link and medical insurance?

pros & cons?
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Here's an analogy for you.

When you go to a mixed rice/nasi kandar shop, Investment linked plans (ILP) are basically the plate and a medical insurance/card is the dishes/kuah you order with the dish.

But if you mean what's the difference between a medical card attached to an ILP vs a standalone medical card, then biggest difference is as per below:

Cost:
- ILP more expensive
- standalone cheaper

Coverage:
- depends as ILP has high and low coverage options

That's a straight forward way to look at it.

Best,
Jiansheng
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post Feb 14 2019, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Feb 14 2019, 03:04 PM)
Here's an analogy for you.

When you go to a mixed rice/nasi kandar shop, Investment linked plans (ILP) are basically the plate and a medical insurance/card is the dishes/kuah you order with the dish.

But if you mean what's the difference between a medical card attached to an ILP vs a standalone medical card, then biggest difference is as per below:

Cost:
- ILP more expensive
- standalone cheaper

Coverage:
- depends as ILP has high and low coverage options

That's a straight forward way to look at it.

Best,
Jiansheng
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Thanks Jiansheng for the explanation nod.gif
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post Feb 14 2019, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(wilson1149 @ Feb 14 2019, 02:44 PM)
Hi all agents,

What different between investment link and medical insurance?

pros & cons?
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Investment link policy = insurance + riders ( add on benefits ) + savings/investment

medical insurance is a rider itself, you can also purchase it on its own without an investment link policy. But you can't add on any other benefits as compared to an investment link policy

Where as an investment link policy may include your
1. Medical Insurance
2. Death and Disability benefit
3. Critical Illness coverage
and etc


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post Feb 15 2019, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 11 2019, 09:16 PM)
Want to ask.... Let's say my ILP monthly premium is Rm300 per month... Insurance charge is rm100 per month...

Assuming that I already in the 7th year, which means 100% premium allocation to purchase unit....

Question: can I contribute variable premium from this stage onwards?
yes you can, if contribute lesser, then it will result in lesser cash value. if contribute more than the premium, the extra will be allocated to a suspend account (meaning it will be allocated to units, it will just sit in an account and do nothing), at the next due this extra amount will then go to the premium contribution.

E. G... Contribute Rm200 per month... Since inside got some cash value buffer...

If do it between y1 to T6, how will it affect agent distribution cost?
you contribute lesser, agent distribution cost will just follow the percentage. example if that particular year your premium paid is only 80%, that year agent only get 80%. but it will be considered as overdue (if you contribute lesser), if any other months you paid back the overdue premium, then agent will get back their commission.

Tq


ic, so even if i pay lesser in first 2 years, and then payback subsequent premium later, my agent will still get his full distribution cost, betul?

wah like that....confirm eat...
alexkos
post Feb 15 2019, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Feb 14 2019, 03:04 PM)
Here's an analogy for you.

When you go to a mixed rice/nasi kandar shop, Investment linked plans (ILP) are basically the plate and a medical insurance/card is the dishes/kuah you order with the dish.

But if you mean what's the difference between a medical card attached to an ILP vs a standalone medical card, then biggest difference is as per below:

Cost:
- ILP more expensive
- standalone cheaper

Coverage:
- depends as ILP has high and low coverage options

That's a straight forward way to look at it.

Best,
Jiansheng
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but standalone medical later age 50+ fuiyo cost soars like rocket
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post Feb 15 2019, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 15 2019, 10:26 AM)
but standalone medical later age 50+ fuiyo cost soars like rocket
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Medical insurance be it standalone or ILP, their medical premium soar together with ages one, little different.

In ILP, you don't see the total ILP premium soar as much, because it may utilise the portion of investment to pay for the medical premium portion.

ILP (100%) = Investment in Unit trust (x%) + medical premium (y%)

So each year the % is tweak between so the the total ILP premium become stable throughout as long as possible, until it reaches unsustainable figure, by then insurance company may send notification of need to top up aka premium being adjusted upward to sustain the medical insurance coverage.

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post Feb 15 2019, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 15 2019, 10:26 AM)
but standalone medical later age 50+ fuiyo cost soars like rocket
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Well, there you go 🤓
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post Feb 15 2019, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 15 2019, 10:25 AM)
ic, so even if i pay lesser in first 2 years, and then payback subsequent premium later, my agent will still get his full distribution cost, betul?

wah like that....confirm eat...
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 15 2019, 10:26 AM)
but standalone medical later age 50+ fuiyo cost soars like rocket
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biggrin.gif so what's ur take ? don't buy insurance because don't want agent to earn any commission ? that's akin to saying I buy Nasi Lemak from Aunty but I want the cost price only for the ingredient, not for the Aunty's hard work to wake up in the morning to prep the food, bring it to the stall, serve it to you.
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post Feb 15 2019, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 15 2019, 10:25 AM)
ic, so even if i pay lesser in first 2 years, and then payback subsequent premium later, my agent will still get his full distribution cost, betul?

wah like that....confirm eat...
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I suppose you'd feel that way is because you don't feel any value from your insurance agent? That's on him/her to show his/her value.

I like how Lifebalance used the nasi lemaka example but here's another way to look at it. There are a lot of nasi lemak seller/cook out there but we all have our own favourite because every nasi lemak seller/cook is different due to their recipe. Purchasing the raw materials to make a nasi lemak is easy, we can Google the recipe, putting it together for an awesome nasi lemak is another story.

Same case for insurance agents, we all carry protection products but it all boils down to how we design a plan and add value to our clients.

If you are looking for a product that has the lowest cost, you can request for a standalone medical card.

Best,
Jiansheng

This post has been edited by Holocene: Feb 15 2019, 11:48 AM

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