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post Dec 6 2018, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(changejob @ Dec 5 2018, 09:09 PM)
Its very hard to find empathy for people with above 8k salary trying to look poor.

Do you guys think the rest of us earn so much?

There are alot of us here earn less than 8k, and still have to pay bills, pay loans, feed their family. We all have to do that with less salary, some of us earn less than half of you 8k incomes, but you all complaining as if you guys 8k salary is barely can cover everything.

Man. What the actual fuck man.

Don't tell me you earn 8k, but drive old car, live in small apartment, never buy expensive smartphone, never go vacation, never eat expensive food, never go shopping and buy something expensive etc and all your money is used to pay loans, pay bills, feed family etc.

No. Sorry but no sorry. So many of us salary below 8k also can do it. But you 8k salary people struggle?

Why don't you guys give us low income earner some empathy instead.

The only thing that I think is wrong is that government want to do it right away on January which is too little time. That all.
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QUOTE(Kyojin @ Dec 6 2018, 04:53 PM)
Herein where the problem lies. Repayment of the PTPTN loan is the lowest of priorities to you because it's only a 1% interest and there was option given to you by the previous government to drag it out as long as possible. Although it's entire possible to finish repaying the loans much earlier, you decided not to because you do not care. I repaid my loans before they were due because it wasn't just a loan to me, it was to pay it forward to ensure that OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER THEIR EDUCATION.

The are even some mutherfuckers in here who views it as easy credit, saying that it's financially wiser to take advantage of the lower interest rate and invest it elsewhere. You bastards are the problem, it's a freaking education loan and it only works if everyone pays back what they owe. The previous government fucked it up with the repayment options, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

I don't get it with the siege mentality that it is you against the defaulters. You've got the moolah, you fucked up your priorities and it's the defaulters' fault?

Having said that, 1.2k is kinda steep but RM8k guys definitely shouldn't only be paying RM300.
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kesian kat anak2 korang xdpt loan sebab uncle aunty anak korang semua gaji tinggi tapi nak bayar rm100 sebulan..

so many ppl are just thinking.. what can PH do for me? then.. when have to sacrifice a bit, say ppl kencing hancing matakucing..

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post Dec 6 2018, 05:16 PM

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Hey, it's not fair to those ppl who have set up direct debit too. Everyone have got their commitment, they have fixed xxx for ptptn repayment, and ptptn accepts it. And now just because country no money, ptptn no money, they can say, oh feck u guys, u guys gotta pay more. WTF?

What's the difference if u have a car loan, and u pay on time every month, u didn miss, u didn pay extra, coz u have plans and committed plans already with ur income. And then suddenly bank say oh this year we dont have money, so u guys must pay according to our new rate. WTF woi.

I'm sorry but this is not how u do things. You dont just put a blanket and say feck the rest. Very poor PR and strategy from ptptn. Altho i do agree that those defaulters or those that does not even pay minimum deserves it.

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post Dec 6 2018, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Dec 6 2018, 05:16 PM)
Hey, it's not fair to those ppl who have set up direct debit too. Everyone have got their commitment, they have fixed xxx for ptptn repayment, and ptptn accepts it. And now just because country no money, ptptn no money, they can say, oh feck u guys, u guys gotta pay more. WTF?

What's the difference if u have a car loan, and u pay on time every month, u didn miss, u didn pay extra, coz u have plans and committed plans already with ur income. And then suddenly bank say oh this year we dont have money, so u guys must pay according to our new rate. WTF woi.

I'm sorry but this is not how u do things. You dont just put a blanket and say feck the rest. Very poor PR and strategy from ptptn. Altho i do agree that those defaulters or those that does not even pay minimum deserves it.
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yes, it is an unfortunate scenario indeed.. the payback amount can be further fine-tuned to not create such a big impact..

however, when a debtor has the means before they took out more loans, they should always strive to pay off existing loans first..

PTPTN was a scheme to assist borrowers that were not well to do, not a financial instrument.. or do u agree if the government increases the interest rate to 10% for all existing loans to recoup losses and only carry out this new repayment scheme for new loans?

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post Dec 6 2018, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(jrrsim @ Dec 6 2018, 05:23 PM)
yes, it is an unfortunate scenario indeed.. the payback amount can be further fine-tuned to not create such a big impact..

however, when a debtor has the means before they took out more loans, they should always strive to pay off existing loans first..

PTPTN was a scheme to assist borrowers that were not well to do, not a financial instrument.. or do u agree if the government increases the interest rate to 10% for all existing loans to recoup losses and only carry out this new repayment scheme for new loans?
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Yea, I think this can still be fine tune. Perhaps something like, it only applies to those who did not pay 3 months in a row or something. But I'm not sure if they are willing to add this new filter / rules. Seems like it's troublesome and also there will be loophole. Like ppl can just pay 1 month, wait for 2 month, then pay on 3rd month.

Hope they can find a win/win situation without affecting ppl who are paying on time and right amount.

do u agree if the government increases the interest rate to 10% for all existing loans to recoup losses and only carry out this new repayment scheme for new loans?

Nope, this is just being unfair to the newer batch. Perhaps punish those who did not pay a single cent back. Make it hard for them to buy cars or properties or wut. Impose the new rule to only them. Every month deduct specific amount. lol

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post Dec 6 2018, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Dec 6 2018, 05:32 PM)
Yea, I think this can still be fine tune. Perhaps something like, it only applies to those who did not pay 3 months in a row or something. But I'm not sure if they are willing to add this new filter / rules. Seems like it's troublesome and also there will be loophole. Like ppl can just pay 1 month, wait for 2 month, then pay on 3rd month.

Hope they can find a win/win situation without affecting ppl who are paying on time and right amount.
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yeah, i believe they will further improve the way this is handled. They could also set up teams as there may be real scenarios whereby helping family members is taking up a large amount of money and unable to fork out so much extra money.. but it is hard to handle each case separately..

But.. for those that are just fighting to keep their existing payment amount due to the 1% interest.. i implore you to please be a better citizen and not a selfish one..
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post Dec 6 2018, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(Kyojin @ Dec 6 2018, 04:53 PM)
Herein where the problem lies. Repayment of the PTPTN loan is the lowest of priorities to you because it's only a 1% interest and there was option given to you by the previous government to drag it out as long as possible. Although it's entire possible to finish repaying the loans much earlier, you decided not to because you do not care. I repaid my loans before they were due because it wasn't just a loan to me, it was to pay it forward to ensure that OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER THEIR EDUCATION.

The are even some mutherfuckers in here who views it as easy credit, saying that it's financially wiser to take advantage of the lower interest rate and invest it elsewhere. You bastards are the problem, it's a freaking education loan and it only works if everyone pays back what they owe. The previous government fucked it up with the repayment options, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

I don't get it with the siege mentality that it is you against the defaulters. You've got the moolah, you fucked up your priorities and it's the defaulters' fault?

Having said that, 1.2k is kinda steep but RM8k guys definitely shouldn't only be paying RM300.
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u do know, getting people to go to tertiary education is in the government's best interest right ?
more tertiary educated people, means more professional workforce which drives the economy further instead all SPM leavers who cannot read english and do maths like, 1+1 =3

if anything, the government should be giving free tertiary education.
but there is a problem, because of the quota system which ensures certain 'people' cannot enter public universities even though they are more than qualified.
giving free education with quota will have problems, because they are churning out graduates who are unable to perform properly in the workforce, thus wasting government money.

people who pay according to original payment plan are not the bastards here. the bastards are those who did not pay.
if anything the financially smarter bastards, are the ones generating the most taxes, since they are hell bent on making more money which cannot escape the income tax system.
everyone looks for financial loopholes everywhere, like u look for ways to get lower payment for your yearly income tax.
since u are so patriotic, you should not claim anything for tax relief, pay the full tax, no need exemptions.
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post Dec 6 2018, 05:46 PM

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just a query, where does ptptn get the fund from?
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post Dec 6 2018, 05:47 PM

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Syukur I pay lum sum my PTPTN loan during my 1st year of working with my bonus hehehe
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post Dec 6 2018, 05:48 PM

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amazing, the number of ktards being revealed to be sky high!!

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last time stating this. Kalau bodoh simpanlah sikit. PTPTN dont behave like bank and ktards with no PTPTN gtfo myob
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post Dec 6 2018, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(Kyojin @ Dec 6 2018, 04:53 PM)
Herein where the problem lies. Repayment of the PTPTN loan is the lowest of priorities to you because it's only a 1% interest and there was option given to you by the previous government to drag it out as long as possible. Although it's entire possible to finish repaying the loans much earlier, you decided not to because you do not care. I repaid my loans before they were due because it wasn't just a loan to me, it was to pay it forward to ensure that OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER THEIR EDUCATION.

The are even some mutherfuckers in here who views it as easy credit, saying that it's financially wiser to take advantage of the lower interest rate and invest it elsewhere. You bastards are the problem, it's a freaking education loan and it only works if everyone pays back what they owe. The previous government fucked it up with the repayment options, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

I don't get it with the siege mentality that it is you against the defaulters. You've got the moolah, you fucked up your priorities and it's the defaulters' fault?

Having said that, 1.2k is kinda steep but RM8k guys definitely shouldn't only be paying RM300.
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It is not mandatory for one to finish repaying earlier, but the person’s own willingness and kindness.

I appreciate your willingness to settle it earlier, but no, we did care and did not fk up our priorities, and in fact structure them nicely instead because we do repay it on time according to the agreement.

Other people can surely have the opportunities to take the loans too if enforcements and decisions were done right, but this is sadly not the case.
i.e. do not give full-waiver for first-class honors, 10% discount for direct debit and 20% for one-time lump sum repayment when they know the institution cannot afford to do so, and do nothing towards defaulters as well.

Of course, like I said, we all can do nothing because we all indeed signed the agreement, and they can change whichever clause they want.

This world is the survival of fitness; I too agree that these motherfkers are smart yet selfish but who to blame? Blame the fking corrupted ex-govt by letting those who are rich to borrow the money in the first place and letting people to exploit this badly, then when all shits got exposed, new govt just simply decided to hike up the repayment amount with almost no buffering period.

If only if this loan worked like what it is going to be, or with proper planning and enforcement, perhaps many would not have borrowed or have repaid nicely.

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post Dec 6 2018, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(Gon Freaks @ Dec 6 2018, 05:46 PM)
just a query, where does ptptn get the fund from?
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Public fund....

Instead of investing in public educational services, the previous gov under invest, and abdicate to the public sector to take up the slack, and then indebt students with loans to pay private fees....final beneficiaries: private education....

Basically transfer public funds to private hands....and students bear the debt....

And the whole scheme was cooked up without any concrete system of recouping these unsecured loans....hence 50% don't bother....

And here we are today....


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QUOTE(Chobits @ Dec 6 2018, 05:43 PM)
u do know, getting people to go to tertiary education is in the government's best interest right ?
more tertiary educated people, means more professional workforce which drives the economy further instead all SPM leavers who cannot read english and do maths like, 1+1 =3

if anything, the government should be giving free tertiary education.
but there is a problem, because of the quota system which ensures certain 'people' cannot enter public universities even though they are more than qualified.
giving free education with quota will have problems, because they are churning out graduates who are unable to perform properly in the workforce, thus wasting government money.

people who pay according to original payment plan are not the bastards here. the bastards are those who did not pay.
if anything the financially smarter bastards, are the ones generating the most taxes, since they are hell bent on making more money which cannot escape the income tax system.
everyone looks for financial loopholes everywhere, like u look for ways to get lower payment for your yearly income tax.
since u are so patriotic, you should not claim anything for tax relief, pay the full tax, no need exemptions.
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He probably got tilted and triggered by those outsmarted him to survive and do better in the society while not being guilty under the laws, and tries to be a saint.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 6 2018, 05:58 PM)
Public fund....

Instead of investing in public educational services, the previous gov under invest, and abdicate to the public sector to take up the slack, and then indebt students with loans to pay private fees....final beneficiaries: private education....

Basically transfer public funds to private hands....and students bear the debt....

And the whole scheme was cooked up without any concrete system of recouping these unsecured loans....hence 50% don't bother....

And here we are today....
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where did the public fund comes from? if dont mind asking.

where is the root of the fund coming from?
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post Dec 6 2018, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Gon Freaks @ Dec 6 2018, 06:19 PM)
where did the public fund comes from? if dont mind asking.

where is the root of the fund coming from?
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Eh....public fund duh...

Taxes, Petronas royalty, etc lah...

Aka your tax moneh....lol

And people don't want pay back....
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post Dec 6 2018, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 6 2018, 06:25 PM)
Eh....public fund duh...

Taxes, Petronas royalty, etc lah...

Aka your tax moneh....lol

And people don't want pay back....
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so, people who pay tax, are paying for the next generation loan?

PTPTN borrower are paying back to the money that they own?

they are being charged of the money that they gave to PTPTN to loan it to them?

paradox?

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Dah pinjam tu bayar ler. Tua tua pun nak kena ajar.
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post Dec 6 2018, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Gon Freaks @ Dec 6 2018, 06:19 PM)
where did the public fund comes from? if dont mind asking.

where is the root of the fund coming from?
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part of it is your money if you do pay income tax
so, basically defaulters use your hard-earned money wrongfully and don’t repay what they owe
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QUOTE(Gon Freaks @ Dec 6 2018, 06:29 PM)
so, people who pay tax, are paying for the next generation loan?

PTPTN borrower are paying back to the money that they own?

they are being charged of the money that they gave to PTPTN to loan it to them?

paradox?
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Eh.... normally that's the case....but sometimes you pay taxes to pay your parents debt.... remember the 1 t debt....

The money should really go into developing public education....like I said, it's a scam....lol


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QUOTE(bylkw2 @ Dec 6 2018, 06:03 PM)
He probably got tilted and triggered by those outsmarted him to survive and do better in the society while not being guilty under the laws, and tries to be a saint.
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trololololololol
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post Dec 6 2018, 10:55 PM

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PTPTN, agency under education minster Maszlee. I am not surpise by this "great idea" that is "flawlessly" executed.

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