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post Dec 5 2018, 06:19 PM

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so far, never seen any lawyer comment on this matter.

can the government really just take the money out of the people's pocket just like that ? poof ?
even though the people are in debt with PTPTN but does that give gov the power to just take the money ?
how does all the paperwork work with the companies ? how do the companies verify the PTPTN claims ?

if this kind of money taking is applicable to PTPTN borrowers.
then it can be applicable to anything owed to the government, from business loans to housing loans issued by the government.
there should be no bias here, since these other borrowers also owe the government money.
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post Dec 5 2018, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Dec 5 2018, 06:22 PM)
Yes they can.
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they can just cancel all the previous legal agreements ?
there is no clause against this in legal terms ?
would u explain legally how this all works ?

if they can do, then what was the point of signing the loan agreement.
might as well say, this year the interest is 200% annually. and make the borrowers become slaves.
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post Dec 5 2018, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Dec 5 2018, 06:26 PM)
The answer is simple why this is implement to those who is paying on time as well... you are not paying fast and in larger sum enough proportion to your salary. Even if paying RM1200 per month, it will required to take 3+ year to pay. The rest will take even longer.

If you are a consistent payee.. .then good for you, you will be able to finish paying in shorter time. The reduction in interest paid does not discriminate...
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paying faster is bad, if you understand investments.
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post Dec 5 2018, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Dec 5 2018, 06:34 PM)
Unless they noob (which I won't be surprised) there will be clauses that allow them to adjust the term and conditions that will supersede the old terms.

You signed loan agreement to buy a house, but the monthly repayment also changes if the BLR is raised right?

The borrowers have the option of immediately repaying the debt. If a normal business raise the interest to 200% this year, what you can do is go take a loan from another business at 6% and settle it. So yes, they can do it and they won't, because it will kill their business.

However, PTPTN is not meant to 'generate' income per say, so they can do it.
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interesting point, BLR rates adjustable are highlighted in the agreement. PTPTN did not.
there are clauses allowing them to adjust somethings, but directly dipping hands into borrower's pocket is something kinda extreme compared to adjust clauses.

if this was possible, why BN did not do it ? they could gotten more money for Big Mama.
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post Dec 5 2018, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(H3artBreakKid @ Dec 5 2018, 06:37 PM)
True tho, Ptptn has the lowest interest rate for loans in the country. whistling.gif
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and still some people still take out EPF to repay. brows.gif

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post Dec 5 2018, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Dec 5 2018, 06:57 PM)
I am not a lawyer and I'm not sure if this is still a valid sample: https://ptptn.manipal.edu.my/files/PERATURA..._PERJANJIAN.pdf

But there seems to be a few clauses in it that allows them the freedom to do it.

This for example:
Although, 19 didn't specifically mentioned about the amount.
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thanks, that was a good explanation on how bloodsucking loans can be. ranting.gif
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post Dec 6 2018, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(Kyojin @ Dec 6 2018, 04:53 PM)
Herein where the problem lies. Repayment of the PTPTN loan is the lowest of priorities to you because it's only a 1% interest and there was option given to you by the previous government to drag it out as long as possible. Although it's entire possible to finish repaying the loans much earlier, you decided not to because you do not care. I repaid my loans before they were due because it wasn't just a loan to me, it was to pay it forward to ensure that OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER THEIR EDUCATION.

The are even some mutherfuckers in here who views it as easy credit, saying that it's financially wiser to take advantage of the lower interest rate and invest it elsewhere. You bastards are the problem, it's a freaking education loan and it only works if everyone pays back what they owe. The previous government fucked it up with the repayment options, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

I don't get it with the siege mentality that it is you against the defaulters. You've got the moolah, you fucked up your priorities and it's the defaulters' fault?

Having said that, 1.2k is kinda steep but RM8k guys definitely shouldn't only be paying RM300.
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u do know, getting people to go to tertiary education is in the government's best interest right ?
more tertiary educated people, means more professional workforce which drives the economy further instead all SPM leavers who cannot read english and do maths like, 1+1 =3

if anything, the government should be giving free tertiary education.
but there is a problem, because of the quota system which ensures certain 'people' cannot enter public universities even though they are more than qualified.
giving free education with quota will have problems, because they are churning out graduates who are unable to perform properly in the workforce, thus wasting government money.

people who pay according to original payment plan are not the bastards here. the bastards are those who did not pay.
if anything the financially smarter bastards, are the ones generating the most taxes, since they are hell bent on making more money which cannot escape the income tax system.
everyone looks for financial loopholes everywhere, like u look for ways to get lower payment for your yearly income tax.
since u are so patriotic, you should not claim anything for tax relief, pay the full tax, no need exemptions.
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post Dec 6 2018, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(bylkw2 @ Dec 6 2018, 06:03 PM)
He probably got tilted and triggered by those outsmarted him to survive and do better in the society while not being guilty under the laws, and tries to be a saint.
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post Dec 7 2018, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(erald06 @ Dec 7 2018, 02:02 PM)
Sigh...malas nak layan dah. Continue to look at the smaller picture. I can't argue with simpletons.
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come, let's look the bigger picture.
providing good education is the government's job right ?
more people getting tertiary education is good for the economy right ?
they are more professional and drives the economy more, right ?

so, it is in the government's best interest to make sure that PTPTN continues, so it can continue support to produce more graduates for the country.
now, let us look at why making PTPTN payback a firesale is bad.
first, it will discourage new borrowers, which in turn, reduces the amount of graduates.
less capable workforce for the country means less taxes, and less economy advancement.
second, with this new rule of forced payback in place.
every investor in the world would think, the government can do anything to make its people to pay debts, surely they can amend the public law and screw up private companies to pay debts to banks or the government.

so, now is this the bigger picture ? or we just pay off the PTPTN, then everything else don't matter ?
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post Dec 7 2018, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 7 2018, 02:18 PM)
You want free education
But are your ready for 20% gst and effective 50% income tax?
Or your think money fall from sky?
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money do not fall out of the sky, but the way the government is handling the money seems that way.
1) cronyism when selecting suppliers, refer to auditor general report
2) corrupt system in bureaucracy, need to pay for applications to be processed faster.
3) too many public servants, and slow efficiencies.
4) quota system which do not give the best student chances to be get the best education, who later become graduates who contribute to the country,
instead we are sending subpar students to the universities, getting subpar graduates which make everything worse

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