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post Oct 1 2025, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Oct 1 2025, 05:54 PM)
If you want to use ceiling AP, you should deploy 2-3 units per floor else it's better to just get a single high end router on each floor.

Most medium to high end consumer router transmit power is 998mW on 5GHz while indoor Ceiling AP is 400-500mW. All this info is publicly disclosed on FCC filing.

Commercial grade APs are designed for client density and overall sustained performance rather than single device peak performance. Lower TX power would reduce interference and perform better when implemented correctly.

But if budget limited and want to get the best bang for buck, consumer grade high end router / mesh is the best.

I think TP-Link discontinued most of the AX Deco, only left with X20 and X50 but they are kinda low end
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post Oct 5 2025, 05:26 PM

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Hi, sifusss

House type: apartment
Size of house: About 1100 sqft
Features required: Strong Connection
Number of devices connected to WiFi: 2desktop PC, 1 laptop, 1 TV, about 25devices (included home appliances)
Internet Speed: 600mbps TIME
Budget: RM600-800

Sub TIME 500mbps since 2021, now 600mbps (free upgrade), using its Free Huawei Router, looking to upgrade Wifi 7 router if the budget allows.

Besides, are there any tutorials to change router myself? or i have to contact TIME and ask their installer come over for the installtion?
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:19 PM

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Hmm, been using my new Asus router AX-86U Pro for a month, with latest Merlin firmware, but lately found out a weird issue.

Currently I am using 2 wired ports on the router, 1 device has manually assigned IP (which is my main PC) and the other port is used for WFH laptop which just uses DHCP auto assign.

I found out that when I turn off the main PC, the router will stop working about 6-8 minutes later and become entirely unresponsive with no WIFI or LAN connection possible. I have to power cycle the router to make it work again.


It is quite an inconvenience because I will turn off the PC every morning to go work and my family members have to power cycle the router to make things work again. Anyone know or face this issue before and should I RMA the router?

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QUOTE(kurogane @ Oct 7 2025, 09:19 PM)
Hmm, been using my new Asus router AX-86U Pro for a month, with latest Merlin firmware, but lately found out a weird issue.

Currently I am using 2 wired ports on the router, 1 device has manually assigned IP (which is my main PC) and the other port is used for WFH laptop which just uses DHCP auto assign.

I found out that when I turn off the main PC, the router will stop working about 6-8 minutes later and become entirely unresponsive with no WIFI or LAN connection possible. I have to power cycle the router to make it work again.
It is quite an inconvenience because I will turn off the PC every morning to go work and my family members have to power cycle the router to make things work again. Anyone know or face this issue before and should I RMA the router?
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Looks like a configuration issue / firmware bug rather than hardware

Try disable your static lease and see if the issue is resolved

If issue persist, try running it on stock firmware, might be a bug on Merlin firmware
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post Oct 8 2025, 08:55 PM

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Hi sifus, wanna ask reg my unifi

2023 July renewed now on 500mbps

2025 they never email me say contract finishes lol just continue monthly

any options I have? My concern is past 6 months I have a nerfed speed 200mbps only download despite previously consistent 450mbps (give and take I forgive the 50mbps)

I tried restart modem, restart by talking to maya agent their side, still same speed

on Wifi 6 Asus XT8 and LAN for PC
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post Oct 12 2025, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Oct 8 2025, 08:55 PM)
on Wifi 6 Asus XT8 and LAN for PC
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already firmware lates for Asus XT8?same situation me..using rog ax11000 asus firmware lates and sub800Mbps.i get 4xx Mbps..change another router i get 7xxMbps..I ask technical unifi and then they said unifi block firmware 3 party ..before this my rog ax11000 can reach 830 Mbps.
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QUOTE(matnur_83 @ Oct 12 2025, 11:53 AM)
already firmware lates for Asus XT8?same situation me..using rog ax11000 asus firmware lates and sub800Mbps.i get 4xx Mbps..change another router i get 7xxMbps..I ask technical unifi and then they said unifi block firmware 3 party ..before this my rog ax11000 can reach 830 Mbps.
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No wor

Why need update firmware for speed
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post Oct 14 2025, 09:58 PM

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excl.gif WiFi Alliance and with their WiFi 7 scam excl.gif
After doing some research about upgrading my own network, I just want to share my findings to everyone about how absurd is WiFi 7. The price difference between product can be a lot and you shall find out why. The main problem is you will never know if the WiFi 7 device you buy actually support any of the things I shall list below.

What you get with WiFi 7
Preamble Puncturing, Multi Resource Unit and bigger Compressed Block Ack.
These are the only 3 thing that is mandatory in certification. Preamble Puncturing and Multi-RU is the fundamental improvement to spectral efficiency. You rarely see anyone talk about them because the speed improvement are from zero to a bit. Yes, it is possible to see absolutely zero improvement in the real world.
They only matter in high interference environment, or during that short beacon period where your neighbor use a broadcast channel that is between your selected spectrum width.

512 MPDU compressed block ack is a double edge sword. It try to save a bit of airtime by doubling the ack period for MPDU. If there is no loss, then you save a tiny bit of airtime. If there is loss, you need to retransmit the whole 512 MPDU and actually get hit with massive latency spike.

WiFi Alliance deliberately hide the fact the specification is incomplete
They already knew from the start there will be at least an Release 1 certification, and Release 2 certification that is coming December, 2025 (end of this year). It feels like 802.11ac Wave 2 all over again. I have no idea what is inside Release 2 so just know that it will appear starting 2026 (next year).

WPA3 and mandatory PMF
If you disable any of these due to compatibility with your IoT or whatever shitty device you have, your WiFi 7 effectively operates as WiFi 6. Not just for the single IoT device, but for everyone.

4k QAM
For the first time in WiFi standard, QAM improvement is optional. Even with 4k QAM, you must have at least 42dB SNR for it to actually work, which is 128x more sensitivity than WiFi 6 (25 dB) !!!
dB is not linear. Every 3dB = 2x. You are free to do the math and correct me.

The old trick of comparing chipset and match them to feature will not work for WiFi 7. I will explain starting from 4k QAM.
For such a high QAM, the amplifier and all frontend components must be linear and distortion free. What each manufacturer put inside their product is up to them. As with amplifier, they won't be perfectly linear and all of them will introduce distortion as EIRP increases.

So don't see that it contains Qualcomm xxx model or Intel yyy model and assume they can do 4k QAM.

MLO
MLO is an operational mode in WiFi 7. The marketing is the one that keep peddling how it will almost double your transmit rate.
Only MLMR mode will do that. Every other mode can't. Guess what? MLMR is an optional feature.

For every device that claim MLO support, which mode do they actually support? This is the real question.

The challenge for MLMR is that if the frontend do not have enough air gap isolation, the signal will interfere with each other. So depending on how manufacturer pack all the components together, there is a chance that it won't work. WiFi 7 requires a totally new way of component placement. For manufacturer that just swap the chipset and retains the PCB layout, this won't fly.

320 MHz channel width
For the first time in WiFi history, doubling of channel width is optional. We have gone from 20MHz to 40, 80, 160 and... 320 is optional.
Every generation of WiFi get their speed predominantly by doubling the channel width. We have reached a point where the channel width is so large now, your neighbor will definitely interfere with you. For the rest of the world where 500 MHz is all there is in 6 GHz, the 320MHz channel is already taking up more than half the spectrum.

If your WiFi 7 device is cheap, it probably cannot do 6 GHz, won't do 320MHz and has the exact same performance as WiFi 6.

EDIT:
Decide to page people who is known to be interested in WiFi 7
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hi, need some advise here, my house now is 1600sq ft double story, working mostly upstairs wifi signal now is 2 bars out of 3 bars, current setup is 1gbps Unifi, tied to existing Unifi router and attached lan cable to my previous ax73 as a repeater both located downstairs, what will be the most cost effective ways to have strong wifi, do not need full 1gbps wifi speed, something stable from 500mbps, will be greatly appreciated. had no expertise doing backhaul as well, preferably buying something from shop and just plug and play. know previously to buy xe75, but couldn't locate it anymore on the shops after seeking for months. please help! thanks in advance.
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QUOTE(eternity4av @ Oct 15 2025, 02:30 PM)
hi, need some advise here, my house now is 1600sq ft double story, working mostly upstairs wifi signal now is 2 bars out of 3 bars, current setup is 1gbps Unifi, tied to existing Unifi router and attached lan cable to my previous ax73 as a repeater both located downstairs, what will be the most cost effective ways to have strong wifi, do not need full 1gbps wifi speed, something stable from 500mbps, will be greatly appreciated. had no expertise doing backhaul as well, preferably buying something from shop and just plug and play. know previously to buy xe75, but couldn't locate it anymore on the shops after seeking for months. please help! thanks in advance.
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Don't buy tp link anymore unless limited budget, they EOL (discontinued ) most of wifi 6/6e products too fast

Maybe can consider something with 2.5g lan/wan. Asus ax86 pro, or xt8 v2

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post Oct 22 2025, 08:45 AM

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Asus RT-BE58U anyone using?
Recommend ?

https://www.asus.com/my/networking-iot-serv...eries/rt-be58u/
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post Oct 22 2025, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Oct 22 2025, 08:45 AM)
Decent entry level WiFi 7 router

Comes with 1GB RAM which is very generous and 2.0GHz Quad Core CPU

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post Oct 22 2025, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Oct 22 2025, 09:35 AM)
Decent entry level WiFi 7 router

Comes with 1GB RAM which is very generous and 2.0GHz Quad Core CPU
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For 300mbps plan + parent home + roughly 10 devices connection
The AiProtections good ?

Right now using deco and can see parents' phone on and off got those malicious blocking site sweat.gif
And who knows what site they visit with grandchildren using their phone, lol ..
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post Oct 22 2025, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Oct 22 2025, 10:36 AM)
For 300mbps plan + parent home + roughly 10 devices connection
The AiProtections good ?

Right now using deco and can see parents' phone on and off got those malicious blocking site  sweat.gif
And who knows what site they visit with grandchildren using their phone, lol ..
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From mesh to a single router is a coverage downgrade tho

You probably using an older Deco model, newer model require subscription for those function already
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Oct 22 2025, 11:39 AM)
From mesh to a single router is a coverage downgrade tho

You probably using an older Deco model, newer model require subscription for those function already
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Right now parent home is using single unit Dec X20 so not really a downgrade sweat.gif

Yea, older unit is using the protection which is free for the time being.

And i think i wanna go more manual way and more advance way to do setup so choosing Asus router might be a better choice?
Plus the Protection is free-mium

Are there any other choice can suggest? RM3xx - 4xx range
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QUOTE(Somtam77 @ Oct 5 2025, 05:26 PM)
Hi, sifusss

House type: apartment
Size of house: About 1100 sqft
Features required: Strong Connection
Number of devices connected to WiFi: 2desktop PC, 1 laptop, 1 TV, about 25devices (included home appliances)
Internet Speed: 600mbps TIME
Budget: RM600-800

Sub TIME 500mbps since 2021, now 600mbps (free upgrade), using its Free Huawei Router, looking to upgrade Wifi 7 router if the budget allows.

Besides, are there any tutorials to change router myself? or i have to contact TIME and ask their installer come over for the installtion?
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edited, i have similar question, same as above.
what's the best router to use to enjoy Time 600mbps
budget maybe around 600-800, cant imagine buying a router for 1k plus. only 2 person in my hse

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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Oct 22 2025, 09:35 AM)
Decent entry level WiFi 7 router

Comes with 1GB RAM which is very generous and 2.0GHz Quad Core CPU
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How is the wifi range for typical terrace house?

Since many columns and beams with second floor

Any good budget for rm300-500?

This post has been edited by Chiggah: Oct 25 2025, 10:26 PM
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post Oct 27 2025, 01:36 PM

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Been using this H3C AX3000 easymesh router from shopee.
At home and in office, pairing with Maxis Easymesh Kaon router.

Connection been stable n rock solid.
Tested in 1610sqft condo, getting almost full 200mbps time fibre everywhere.

For time fibre, it works as the main router or as the mesh router but do not think it will work for Unifi backbone fibre though (I remember cannot set VLAN ID)

https://shopee.com.my/Wifi6-device-H3C-AX30...711.25220095482

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House type: Landed
Size of house: Around 1650 sq ft. Ground floorvand 1st floor.
Features required: Need WiFi 6 / AX.
Number of devices connected to WiFi: Around 25 including IOT stuff.
Internet Speed: 500 Mbps.
Budget: RM 1000 max, prefer lower but can top up a bit if very close to 1000 and got good selling point.

Current router at 1st floor, WiFi signal at ground floor is weak.

Can suggest mesh WiFi if good, powerline can also suggest if good.

Need video call for work so cannot lag (2 person), occasionally got relative kid coming over and might be a heavy downloader.

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QUOTE(White2000 @ Oct 27 2025, 07:48 PM)
House type: Landed
Size of house: Around 1650 sq ft. Ground floorvand 1st floor.
Features required: Need WiFi 6 / AX.
Number of devices connected to WiFi: Around 25 including IOT stuff.
Internet Speed: 500 Mbps.
Budget: RM 1000 max, prefer lower but can top up a bit if very close to 1000 and got good selling point.

Current router at 1st floor, WiFi signal at ground floor is weak.

Can suggest mesh WiFi if good, powerline can also suggest if good.

Need video call for work so cannot lag (2 person), occasionally got relative kid coming over and might be a heavy downloader.
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