hi kentcp,

i'm new to this and I am planning to put braces. Am in my thirties and want something less visible and not so torturing (haha).

i noticed that u highly recommend Dr How. See, I am not a very kan-cheong person in terms of braces (haha). Don't mind slower progress but less pain and torture, so I've been hearing that Dr How is known for speeding up the process by fixing stop bites, teeth spacers, power chains, screws etc etc, which sounds like real torture to me. I just want normal ortho help to straighten my teeth, if with all these extra help, it take less than 2 years to complete, I wouldn't mind waiting another 1/2 year to go without the extra gadgets added. Do you think Dr How will accommodate this?

My assumption is most of Dr How's patients are either in their teens or early twenties, so they are rather comfortable with quicker results, never minds the pain, but since I am already in my mid thirties, I don't mind waiting extra half a year or so, if it's less painful

What do you think? Or have you heard of other good orthodontists out there?

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Added on May 28, 2009, 9:10 am[quote=leng_leng,May 27 2009, 08:54 PM]

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Added on May 27, 2009, 9:39 am
What u see is what u get. hahaha.... I dunno what u mean by brush head. Cos this mini brush are in that size... small.
Its just for you to get rid of dirt in between brackets only. Didnt u get this from your clinic?>

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wut i bought one is oral B brand, the brush is longer one..blue in color one...very normal interdental brush where guardian or watson are selling it also.. the brush head can be taken out and changed one. So normally I buy the refill one lor.. You are not using this meh dear? Think this week i will be heading to Daiso to get this cute brush then!

ah i found the photo of it d!
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Hey babe, i'm not using the type tat u mention (picture) wor... My one very short wan... almost similar with the pictures i attached. My first set was from Dr. How's clinic... Dun remember the brand name but i think its a japanese brand? I remember one senior here who she attached pictures of all the dental kits she's been using. Mine is the same as hers.

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Added on May 28, 2009, 9:11 am[quote=ysbabe,May 28 2009, 04:29 AM]
hi kentcp,

i'm new to this and I am planning to put braces. Am in my thirties and want something less visible and not so torturing (haha).

i noticed that u highly recommend Dr How. See, I am not a very kan-cheong person in terms of braces (haha). Don't mind slower progress but less pain and torture, so I've been hearing that Dr How is known for speeding up the process by fixing stop bites, teeth spacers, power chains, screws etc etc, which sounds like real torture to me. I just want normal ortho help to straighten my teeth, if with all these extra help, it take less than 2 years to complete, I wouldn't mind waiting another 1/2 year to go without the extra gadgets added. Do you think Dr How will accommodate this?

My assumption is most of Dr How's patients are either in their teens or early twenties, so they are rather comfortable with quicker results, never minds the pain, but since I am already in my mid thirties, I don't mind waiting extra half a year or so, if it's less painful

What do you think? Or have you heard of other good orthodontists out there?

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Sorry to interrupt.
Actually, i believe that you've been reading a lot from this thread. Cos you mentioned the things that we discussed earlier.

Well actually i understand your concern about visibility and the pain accrue. I think newer system should cause less pain + fast and good result. Compared to the traditional ones, Besides its time consuming, its so visible, painful and it might not give u the best results. Thats is why most doctor recommended Damon and InOvation systems.

MAster Kentcp is using Damon and myself is using InOvation. According to Doctor, these two are the same. Gives same results, same effect, same speed... Just different brand. But InOvation comes with ceramic bracket (InOvation C), which is transparent. The fact that its transparent, u wont look so mouthful with metals/gadgets...whatever u call it.

About the extra process that some of us did such as extraction, bite stopper, screws, powerchain... Some process are necessary no matter which doctor u go to or which system u will be using. But however, some will be optional. For example; Screws. Its an option for me. But i chose to get it although it sounded scary. Cos i want the bestest result and since that i'm already spending this much money and time for the treatment.

My dear, its not that painful like u think. Many ppl around me give me a face when they see me adding more and more stuffs into my mouth. If its not painful, that will be a BIG LIE. But, the pain will go away in 3-7 days. After that, u wont feel anything anymore. Before i had braces, i had this horrible image for wearing braces. Such as pain 24/7 - 365 days. Ulcers all over....ew... But to be honest, i only got a few ulcer so far throughout my treatment. In fact, i'm getting it less compared to the time before wearing braces.

Oh well...anyway...good luck!


This post has been edited by NikkiDaTeddy: May 28 2009, 09:11 AM

Hi Ysbabe, i remember i saw your post in this thread before ?

Anyway, your question been answered by teddy. Those "add-ins" like "screw" can faster the process but it also make the result even better.

Of course, Dr How did asked for my permission before place the screw. (as it addition cost also ma) I can opt to proceed or not to proceed. After thinking, i decided to go for it. First, it will bring a better result than just braces for my case. Secondly, the process of alignment can improved.

No worry, let the experienced Dr to consult you. he know the best way to bring the best result. Of course, you still have right not to follow but don't blame him on the end of outcome ya..

Regarding the pain, just refer to the teddy's note. she told you about our experience. Pain is a sure..but just few day. No worry. we are here to encourge and support each other

babypearl here here...long time no update eh...coz long time no login coz not free to even check my mail...sigh...

updates is...last week went and tighten upper teeth wire...and put some kinda metal string to help pull the teeth instead of me wearing that rubber band...then below teeth change rubberband to thicker ones called kangaroo...wee...(jump jump).

and the bloody 4 lubangs gaps is still big la...what is this man...so slow...only my lower right teeth mia lubang gap close faster...the other 3 lubang slow like hell...duno y...geez...very slow la...seriously slow...i dont know y...

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Added on May 28, 2009, 6:53 pmthis fella forever go vacation one...can see him either lying on the beach or climbing the mountain...tonnes of activities...

This post has been edited by Babypearl: May 28 2009, 06:53 PM

[quote=NikkiDaTeddy,May 27 2009, 09:37 AM]
Mine was 6k for InOvation C from Dr. How. Since you have doubt for your current orthodontist, why not consult another doctor? I have to extract 4 teeth also even with InOvation C. Cos Dr says i have too many teeth for my small gum. So have to extract few to push everything in.


I know about Dr How and he's actually a relative. But I know that he has a full schedule, so i thought of looking for another place. Has anyone heard about Dr. Catherine from Pantai Hospital? 6k for Inovation C is a fair price indeed. What's stopping me is the duration that the doctor mentioned. I thought with Damon and Inovation technology, the duration is much shorter? And the brochure even mentioned that no extraction is necessary.

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Added on May 28, 2009, 9:02 pm[quote=kentcp,May 27 2009, 05:26 PM]
Mine is Damon 3MX, cost me RM5.6k only at Bangsar How's Orthodontics & Dental Surgery.

6.5k can get transparent type (eg. InOvation C) like what Teddy using now. So, i feel like the Dr already over charge you. Why not consult other doctor to get more quote?

As per mentioned on my previous thread, you may consider below as guidance to install braces:

1) Are you looking for less pain, highest efficiency ? yes - Damon 3MX (~5.8k or less) / Damon Q (Latest, prices unknown)

2) Are you looking for less pain, high efficiency, with transparent ? yes - InOvation C (~6.5k)

3) If above Q1 and Q2 is no, then you are looking for transditional type which is painful, take more than 2.5 years & above to complete with average result. prices ~2k can get.

4) Is the orthodontist having high experience in this field ?

5) Is the orthodontist certified from the well known Uni, also certified by the product company?

Hope help.

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That's so much cheaper than the orthodontist in Kepong that i went to. I'm still deciding whether to go for Damon or Inovation-C. As a matter of fact, I don't like the metal as much because it is pretty visible. Is Inovation-C much better in terms of aesthetics in comparison to damon? But i heard ceramic brackets tend to break easier and slightly more painful. Is that true? Kentcp, what is the duration for your braces? And did you need any teeth extraction?

This post has been edited by mrchildren: May 28 2009, 09:02 PM

Have anybody here using the 3M brand cause I’m using it. Like Kentcp said, the price might be different. I spoke to the nurse at my orthodontist today and she said that the price might increase again in a couple of month.

I took 3M clarity braces that cost me around 8k. It works like Damon and InOvation. Not all self-ligature suits for anybody. Some works like magic and some might take a long time. Like mine, early thirties, high metabolism.. after a week, my 2 lower front teeth have aligned itself. I know the price is more than expensive but I want the best result and services.

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this fella forever go vacation one...can see him either lying on the beach or climbing the mountain...tonnes of activities...

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hahaha.. must enjoy life fullest ma.. 上山下海 all must try ! Join my activity la.. I will post the event at FB.

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Added on May 28, 2009, 10:04 pmAs i was extracted 2 teeth on upper right side during kids time... during this bracing process, i no need to extract any teeth for upper and lower teeth. I installed on Jan 2008, Dr said i should able to remove around aug time. Now, every teeth is straight , just doing some minor fine adjustment.

Yup, Inovation-C much better in terms of aesthetics in comparison to damon because it is transparent ceramic while Damon is using titanuim material. To me, i can accept damon because it is smaller than transditional braces. also, the material also look good (silver shine). Anyhow, Damon Q is even smaller.. technology..


This post has been edited by kentcp: May 28 2009, 10:04 PM

Actually, i saw ppl wearing different types of ceramic braces. One of my colleague, is wearing ceramic but hers are different than mine from the way it looks. I didnt ask what is the name of it la. But its transparent. Her brackets are bigger than mine but lesser visible than mine. Ok, give u a clearer image. Her braces looks like this. http://ceramicbraces.blogspot.com/

And in comparison with mine, picture attached.


And if i'm not wrong, my colleague's type takes longer time for treatment. Probably that's the easily break type? I'm not sure. I've been wearing mine since 4th Oct 2008. I havent had any problem with my brackets/braces. Whether i's suffering more pain? Arh....dunno...who can answer that? Unless for those who tried both type of braces before can answer. Haha..but doctor didnt said both braces are the same, just different brands. Actually we discussed b4 that Damon also got ceramic brackets. But it is not recommended by our doctor compared to InOvation.

About duration and extraction, I believe this depends on your condition, right?

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Added on May 29, 2009, 9:05 am3M? wow....mind to share some pictures? I'm curious.

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Added on May 29, 2009, 9:10 amFinally you're back...hehehe... Kangaroo? Is it thicker than Bear? currently using Bear. Already i tot its quite thick. Metal wire to tighten? I wonder how it look like too? Does it by any chance look like those i saw from http://ceramicbraces.blogspot.com/ ???

This post has been edited by NikkiDaTeddy: May 29 2009, 09:10 AM

Nikki, tat's ur colleague's blog? izit different frm urs? Really not so visible by looking at far leh.. but i like my damon cute also, although ppl can see im wearing braces frm far far away.. haha..

I see she was so suffer bearing the painfulness... while we dont really feel tat pain rite?

[quote=NikkiDaTeddy,May 29 2009, 09:04 AM]Actually, i saw ppl wearing different types of ceramic braces. One of my colleague, is wearing ceramic but hers are different than mine from the way it looks. I didnt ask what is the name of it la. But its transparent. Her brackets are bigger than mine but lesser visible than mine. Ok, give u a clearer image. Her braces looks like this. http://ceramicbraces.blogspot.com/

And in comparison with mine, picture attached.


And if i'm not wrong, my colleague's type takes longer time for treatment. Probably that's the easily break type? I'm not sure. I've been wearing mine since 4th Oct 2008. I havent had any problem with my brackets/braces. Whether i's suffering more pain? Arh....dunno...who can answer that? Unless for those who tried both type of braces before can answer. Haha..but doctor didnt said both braces are the same, just different brands. Actually we discussed b4 that Damon also got ceramic brackets. But it is not recommended by our doctor compared to InOvation.

About duration and extraction, I believe this depends on your condition, right?

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Added on May 29, 2009, 9:05 am
3M? wow....mind to share some pictures? I'm curious.

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Added on May 29, 2009, 9:10 am
Finally you're back...hehehe... Kangaroo? Is it thicker than Bear? currently using Bear. Already i tot its quite thick. Metal wire to tighten? I wonder how it look like too? Does it by any chance look like those i saw from http://ceramicbraces.blogspot.com/  ???

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yea...previously was using bear at lower teeth...nowchange to thicker ones called kangaro..*jump *jump...and the metal wire...i also duno how to describe...looks like metal spring?..tak tau la...at the side of my teeth...got ulcer dy...gah...argh...geez...y the gap take so slow to close...geez...shrugz...

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Added on May 30, 2009, 1:09 pm[quote=kentcp,May 28 2009, 09:56 PM]

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Added on May 28, 2009, 6:53 pm
this fella forever go vacation one...can see him either lying on the beach or climbing the mountain...tonnes of activities...

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hahaha.. must enjoy life fullest ma.. 上山下海 all must try ! Join my activity la.. I will post the event at FB.

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Added on May 28, 2009, 10:04 pm

As i was extracted 2 teeth on upper right side during kids time... during this bracing process, i no need to extract any teeth for upper and lower teeth. I installed on Jan 2008, Dr said i should able to remove around aug time. Now, every teeth is straight , just doing some minor fine adjustment.

Yup, Inovation-C much better in terms of aesthetics in comparison to damon because it is transparent ceramic while Damon is using titanuim material. To me, i can accept damon because it is smaller than transditional braces. also, the material also look good (silver shine). Anyhow, Damon Q is even smaller.. technology..

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----no money laaaa...how to enjoy......u one year duno go how many vacation..looks like evry month, every week also got activity ones...i seldom login fb ler...lazy......so many things in there...see until i headache......

This post has been edited by Babypearl: May 30 2009, 01:09 PM

Check this out for Damon, In-Ovation C, 3M Clarity & others photo

http://www.suttonortho.co.uk/private.htm

Try this link. You'll see the clear image of 3M clarity braces.

http://www.parisiortho.com/selfligating.php

Nonono...that' not my colleague's blog. The blog belongs to someone from singapore. Yes, her brackets are different than mine. Yah, i agree with you. The pain caused by my braces is not that bad... Not like other ppl complaint about.

I love my braces too... i think they're cool. Hehehe... some of my guy friends told me they are cool too. So i'm not shy at all to show them off....hahaha

I just made an appointment with Dr How for this week. The nurse said that i have to get 3 xray films on the first consultation. Is that true kentcp? How much do i need to pay?

Hi, you may refer to pages 1 for the breakdown of pricing The consultant fee will waived if you decided to proceed at their place.

and yes, Doc need to view your teeth condition via the X-ray, so that he can advice you correctly. Example, some people have hidden teeth inside the gum, etc. The procedure will different. Let the expert Doc to advice you.

This post has been edited by kentcp: Jun 1 2009, 01:20 PM

[quote=nishie,May 30 2009, 09:20 PM]Try this link. You'll see the clear image of 3M clarity braces.

http://www.parisiortho.com/selfligating.php

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saw the link already... Hmmm...really is different compare to mine... I cant believe that there are soooooo many types of braces. B4 i wear braces, i tot its only one type. Until i started to survey for clinics, then i came across this thread, i read all the replies in this thread then only i found out there are sooo many types.

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Added on June 3, 2009, 5:58 pm[quote=Babypearl,May 30 2009, 01:08 PM]
yea...previously was using bear at lower teeth...nowchange to thicker ones called kangaro..*jump *jump...and the metal wire...i also duno how to describe...looks like metal spring?..tak tau la...at the side of my teeth...got ulcer dy...gah...argh...geez...y the gap take so slow to close...geez...shrugz...

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Added on May 30, 2009, 1:09 pm
hahaha.. must enjoy life fullest ma.. 上山下海 all must try ! Join my activity la.. I will post the event at FB.

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Added on May 28, 2009, 10:04 pm

As i was extracted 2 teeth on upper right side during kids time... during this bracing process, i no need to extract any teeth for upper and lower teeth. I installed on Jan 2008, Dr said i should able to remove around aug time. Now, every teeth is straight , just doing some minor fine adjustment.

Yup, Inovation-C much better in terms of aesthetics in comparison to damon because it is transparent ceramic while Damon is using titanuim material. To me, i can accept damon because it is smaller than transditional braces. also, the material also look good (silver shine). Anyhow, Damon Q is even smaller.. technology..

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----no money laaaa...how to enjoy......u one year duno go how many vacation..looks like evry month, every week also got activity ones...i seldom login fb ler...lazy......so many things in there...see until i headache......

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Is it true that the metal wire thing that u mentioned, are only used when u are almost finishing ur treatment? As in to fix it a bit here and there. Then soon u'll be free from braces?

This post has been edited by NikkiDaTeddy: Jun 3 2009, 05:58 PM

Dear all

I've finally installed my braces today.. OMG..i went for my first consultation at dr how's, and he put on for me on the spot after the xrays. Quite shocking isnt it? Well, someone had cancelled his or her appointment after me, so he had enough time to do it for me..

Btw, i'm using the In-ovation C type. Nikki, i can join your gang now.. lol According to him, i don't need any extraction at all.. omg..the doctor in kepong said i have to remove 4 teeth! But he advised me to remove all my wisdom teeth, just to make sure that they don't give me any problem in the future. But he said it's optional as it won't affect the braces result even if i keep them.. i don't know.. i'm still afraid of extraction I don't know how to brush my teeth now.. can someone guide me along?

eee? ur doc nvr teach u how to brush?
To brush our teeth, we will have to brush it in round circular motion (seniors here do correct me if im wrong ya ), not up and down or left or right.. and rmb the gum also.. hv to brush it to prevent getting gum disease or unhealthy gum...
I'm using a electronic one and I fint it's easier and cleaner compared with normal one. Sometimes I use manual to brush if i want fast cos too lazy to use electronic one hehe And I use interdental toothbrush (can refer to last few post for pic) to clean those spaces or gaps of the brackets as sumtimes toothbrush couldnt remove the food tat stucked inside..

Mention bout interdental brush, NIKKI, I've bought the cute cute one frm Daiso! really cute and i bought tat one comes with plastic casing and put in my bag d...

Extraction is not pain and tat scary dear.. but I think extraction for wisdom teeth is pain leh... heard some ppl said it is hard to extract it and some need to do operation to cabut it out...

how long did it take for the whole process? does it hurt now? how much is it for inovation C?

Representing everyone here, we welcome you to join the bracesian group. Hehehe... So, how do u feel now?> Its not as bad as u think it would be right? I think the glue-ing and installation process takes about 1hr like that?

The nurse should have taught you how to brush. Well, if u're using the manual brush, just angle ur brush abit la. As in u brush left-right motion but angle ur brush. 45 degrees above brackets and 45 degrees below brackets. That's how the nurse taught me. I dunno why Leng_leng's method is different than mine. However, just by this method, it wont clean too well yet. You still need interdental brush to clean in between each teeth, gaps, wire, brackets... Did the nurse give you the interdental brush too? If no, pls refer post #950 for picture of interdental brush.

As for the your case with wisdom tooth, take good care of them. Dont let them rot or be infected. Cos they're life span is very short. If they rot or couldnt get out from your gum, u still have to extract them. Only whether is normal extraction or operation. IF they grow nicely out of the gum in good position, u can extract them normally without operation. But if they're stubborn and prefer to remain in your gum, then u hav to opt for operation. And bare in mind, operation is not cheap.

To Leng_leng:
You bought the brushes edy? cheap right> compared to what u can get outside...Actually, sometimes they will hav in different sizes wan...

This post has been edited by NikkiDaTeddy: Jun 4 2009, 10:35 AM