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This is a thread to share the overclocking of your AMD Ryzen, Ryzen Gen2, APU as well as the Threadripper. thumbup.gif

Please share your benchmark, stability, overclocking tips & guides etc...

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Monitoring /verification tools:
CPU-Z
HW Monitor
Ryzen Timing Checker
AMD Ryzen Master
HWinfo


Stability/stressing tools:
Prime95
MemTest (Windows)
DangWang HCl Memtest Pro
TM 5 0.12 1usmus config v2 | TM 5 0.12 1usmus config v2 config file | Steps for installation


Benchmarking tools:
HyperPI 0.99 Beta
AIDA64
CineBench

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OC tips & guides:
AMD RYZEN Overclocking Guide @ Overclockers.com
Ryzen (1000-Series) Overclocking Guide @ Tweaktown
Overclocking The AMD Ryzen APUs: Guide and Results @ Anandtech
Advance memory tweaking guide by syldon @ ROG forum
AMD Ryzen Memory Tweaking & Overclocking Guide by 1usmus - NEW!!!

CPU/APU Reviews:
AMD R3 2200G & R5 2400G Review @ HWZ SG by royfrosty
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz Review @ TecPowerUp
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X review - Performance - DDR4 System Memory @ guru3d
AMD Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G Review @ TweakTown


B350 / X370 / B450 / X470 motherboard Reviews:
MSI B450i Gaming Plus AC Review @ HWZ SG by royfrosty
MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon Review @ HWZ SG by royfrosty
Asus X470 Crosshair VII Review @ HWZ SG by royfrosty


Ryzen certified/friendly DDR4 Memory Reviews
G.SKILL Flare X DDR4 Review @ Vortez.net
GeIL EVO X AMD Edition DDR4 Review @ Vortez.net



*I will try my very best to update the info from time to time, feel free to chip-in any idea guys. no effort is too small to be recognized... thumbsup.gif


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LYN AMD Ryzen / Ryzen Gen2/ APU / Threadripper Owners

## to be listed you must post at least a screenshot of CPU-Z consisted of CPU & motherboard/RAM tabs.

Username | CPU | Highest OC | Motherboard | Cooling

Ryzen:

owikh84 | Ryzen 5 1400 | 4.0 GHz | ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Extreme | Custom WC > Link

llk | Ryzen 7 1700 | 3.9 GHz | ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero | Custom WC > Link

Aoshi_88 | Ryzen 7 1700 | 3.7GHz | Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 | Cryorig H7 > Link

Koki | Ryzen 7 1700 | 3.9 GHz @ 1.38V | ASRock X370 Fatal1ty | Noctua NH-D15 > Link

fatalynx05 | Ryzen 7 1700 | 3.8 GHz @ 1.33V | Asus Crosshair VI Hero | AuraFlow 240 > Link

Cynox | Ryzen 7 1700 | 3.9 GHz @ 1.425V | Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5 | Noctua NH-D14 > Link

flow | Ryzen 1700 | 3.84GHz | Asus C6H | ThermalRight TRUE Spirit 140 Direct > Link

TristanX | Ryzen 7 1700 | 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5 | Noctua NH-D15S > Link

cloudwan | Ryzen 5 1600 | 3.9 GHz @ 1.41V | Asus ROG Strix B350 Gaming-F | Olskool H100i > Link

goldfries | Ryzen 7 1700 | 4GHz | AsRock X370 Professional Gaming | ??? > Link

nick_vll | Ryzen 7 1700 | 3.7 GHz | ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 | Noctua NH-U12S > Link

raydenex | Ryzen 7 1700 | 3.8 GHz @ 1.30 | Crosshair VI Hero | Stock Wraith Cooler > Link

owikh84 | Ryzen 7 1700 | 4.025GHz | ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Extreme | Custom WC > Link

FatOftheLand | Ryzen 1700 | 3.8GHz | MSI B350 Tomahawk | Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT > Link

ah_khoo | Ryzen 3 1300X | 4.1GHz | B350 Tomahawk | TT Water 3.0 Extreme > Link


*Results extracted from HERE (Credits to bro owikh84 for the efforts)


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Ryzen Gen2:

owikh84 | Ryzen 7 2700X | 4.25GHz | ASUS ROG Crosshair VII | Custom WC > Link

owikh84 | Ryzen 5 2600X | 4.2GHz | ASUS ROG Strix B450-I | Custom WC > Link

bryanyeo87 | Ahtlon 200GE | 3.825GHz | Asrock B450M HDV R4.0 | Stock cooler > Link


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Ryzen Gen3:

nrw | Ryzen 5 3600 | 4.125GHz | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Air > Link

owikh84 | Ryzen 5 3600X | 4.25GHz | Asus ROG Crosshair 8 Hero | Custom WC > Link

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Stable ram OC entries:
Username | motherboard | Ram model | Frequency & timing w/ vDimm| vSOC (minimum of Memtest 300%)


16GB

owikh84 | ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero-WiFi | Patriot Viper LED DDR4-3600 CL16 (Samsung B-die) | DDR4-3466 CL14-15-14-30-1T @ 1.40V | vSOC @ 1.125v > Link

owikh84 | ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero-WiFi | G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4266 CL19 (Samsung B-die) | DDR4-3533 CL14-15-15-30-1T @ 1.44V | vSOC @ 1.175v > Link

owikh84 | ASUS ROG Strix B450-I Gaming | G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4266 CL19 (Samsung B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3666 CL14-15-14-28-1T @ 1.475V | vSOC @ 1.150V > Link

owikh84 | ASUS ROG Strix B450-I Gaming | ADATA XPG Spectrix D80 DDR4-3600 CL17 (Samsung B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3666 CL16-17-17-28-1T @ 1.480V | vSOC @ 1.125V > Link

owikh84 | ASUS ROG Strix B450-I Gaming | G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4266 CL19 (Samsung B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3733 CL14-15-14-34-1T @ 1.490V | vSOC @ 1.1875V > Link

owikh84 | ASUS Prime B450M-K | ADATA XPG Spectrix D80 DDR4-3600 CL17 (Samsung B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3200 CL14-14-14-28-1T @ 1.370V | vSOC @ 1.0875V > Link

CAL V | MSI X570 Unify | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600C16 (B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3733 14-15-14-28-1T @ 1.48v | VSOC @ 1.1v | VDDG @ 1.0v | VDDP @ 0.925v > Link

32GB

owikh84 | ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero-WiFi | G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4266 CL19 (Samsung B-die) 4x8GB | DDR4-3333 CL14-14-14-30-1T @ 1.390V | vSOC @ 1.025v > Link

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Ram database:

Corsair in general

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Version Vendor IC Confirmation?
3.20 Micron 4Gbit Rev.A Presumed
3.21 Micron 4Gbit Rev.B Confirmed
3.22 Micron 4Gbit Rev.E* Speculated
3.22 Micron 4Gbit Rev.F* Confirmed
3.31 Micron 8Gbit Rev.B Confirmed
3.33 Micron 8Gbit Rev.D Presumed
3.34 Micron 8Gbit Rev.E Speculated
3.40 Micron 16Gbit Rev.B Confirmed
4.14 Samsung 4Gbit D-die (4x16) Confirmed
4.23 Samsung 4Gbit D-die Confirmed
4.24 Samsung 4Gbit E-die Confirmed
4.31 Samsung 8Gbit B-die Confirmed
4.49 Samsung 16Gbit M-die Speculated
4.40 Samsung 16Gbit A-die Speculated
5.29 Hynix 4Gbit MFR Confirmed
5.20 Hynix 4Gbit AFR Confirmed
5.21 Hynix 4Gbit BJR Speculated
5.39 Hynix 8Gbit MFR Confirmed
5.30 Hynix 8Gbit AFR Presumed
5.31 Hynix 8Gbit "BFR"??? Speculated
5.32 Hynix 8Gbit CJR Presumed
8.20** Nanya 4Gbit Rev.A Speculated
8.30** Nanya 8Gbit Rev.A Speculated

*credits to Reddit

Corsair
CMW16GX4M2A2666C16 (Version 5.32) - Hynix CJR
CMW16GX4M2C3466C16 (Version 4.31)- Samsung B Die
CMR16GX4M2C3466C16 (Version 4.31) - Samsung B Die
CMR16GX4M2C3000C15 (Version 4.31) - Hynix AFR

G.Skill
F4-3200C16D-16GTZR - Hynix AFR
F4-3600C19S-16GSXWB - Hynix CFR
F4-3200C14D-16GTZRX - Samsung B Die
F4-4266C19D-16GTZR - Samsung B Die
F4-3200C14D-32GTZR - Samsung B Die (Dual bank)

Patriot
Patriot Viper LED DDR4-3600 CL16 - Samsung B Die

Team group
TDPGD416G3200HC14ADC01 - Samsung B Die

Kingston
HX426C15FBK2/8 - Nanya A Die

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It's been a while since my last submission biggrin.gif
For starters, here's my early stage of OCing adventure with the 2nd Gen Ryzen and X470 chipset.

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Max Prime95 stable OC for this particular Ryzen 7 2700X chip of mine is 4.25GHz @ 1.44v. Load Tdie temp reached 74.4C under custom loop.
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Continuing with RAM OC, I managed to get the Patriot Viper LED DDR4-3600 CL16 (Samsung B-die) kit running HCl Memtest Pro 300% stable at DDR4-3466 CL14-15-14-30-1T @ 1.40V, vSOC @ 1.125v.

owikh84 | ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero-WiFi | Patriot Viper LED DDR4-3600 CL16 (Samsung B-die) | DDR4-3466 CL14-15-14-30-1T @ 1.40V | vSOC @ 1.125v

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Now still figuring out how to stabilize the RAM at DDR4-3533. Not an easy task as it's not a higher binned B-die kit.

DDR4-3600 is far from being stable but still able to run a quick test like AIDA64 biggrin.gif
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1st Gen 2 entry... great efforts as usual bro.... flex.gif

3466 @ CL14 is ohsome bro... i wish i can ahve a pair of bdie now but too bad d previous pair is gone... sad.gif

*Added stable ram oc if u guys dont mind... ideas/suggestions welcomed... notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 3 2018, 08:17 PM)
1st Gen 2 entry... great efforts as usual bro....  flex.gif

3466 @ CL14 is ohsome bro... i wish i can ahve a pair of bdie now but too bad d previous pair is gone...  sad.gif

*Added stable ram oc if u guys dont mind... ideas/suggestions welcomed...  notworthy.gif
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For B-die, you can get one of these awesome kits:

G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-3200 CL14 (F4-3200C14D-16GTZRX)

or

Team Dark Pro DDR4-3200 CL14 (TDPGD416G3200HC14ADC01)
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Today decided to swap the RAM with the higher-grade B-die coming from TridentZ RGB DDR-4266 CL19 kit.

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I managed to get DDR4-3533 CL14 @ 1.44v with the help of DRAM Calculator 1.3.1 Safe preset. HyperPi 32m stable but just a little bit disappointed with the memory latency, will need further tweaking later...

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owikh84 | ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero-WiFi | G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4266 CL19 (Samsung B-die) | DDR4-3533 CL14-15-15-30-1T @ 1.44V | vSOC @ 1.175v

HCl Memtest 400% passed after a bit of tweaking: using Alt2, bumping the SOC up to 1.175v, and RTT_NOM disabled:
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Mem latency improved now biggrin.gif
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@bro owi:

nice to see d bdie can hold CL14 even @ 3533MHz, superb... notworthy.gif


btw here my attempt with very limited cooling & air ventilation case, done with side panel closed... tongue.gif

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ah_khoo | MSI X470 Gaming Plus | GSkill Sniper X DDR4 3600 (Hynix CFR) | DDR4-3200 CL14-17-17-40-1T @ 1.37V | vSOC @ 1.05v

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DDR4 3466 finally done albeit very2 loose timing. surprised to learn that vdimm needed is not that high. no wonder ppl said sometimes less is more... tongue.gif

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owikh84 | ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero-WiFi | G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4266 CL19 (Samsung B-die) 4x8GB | DDR4-3333 CL14-14-14-30-1T @ 1.400V | vSOC @ 1.100v

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That's 1 hour, for 400% I will need to run at least 5 hours.

Update: I managed to reduce the voltages by adjusting the Termination and CAD_BUS Blocks as displayed in the DRAM Calculator's Rec fields. As a result, HCl Memtest 400% passed for 5 hours without any error.

owikh84 | ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero-WiFi | G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4266 CL19 (Samsung B-die) 4x8GB | DDR4-3333 CL14-14-14-30-1T @ 1.390V | vSOC @ 1.025v

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latest test on how's d sniper x scales from 3200 - 3466, pardon d lousy efficiency... doh.gif

DDR4 3200 @ 14-17-17-17, vDIMM @ 1.37v, vSOC @ 0.95v
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DDR4 3333 @ 16-17-17-17, vDIMM @ 1.35v, vSOC @ 0.95v
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DDR4 3400 @ 16-17-17-17, vDIMM @ 1.35v, vSOC @ 0.95v
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DDR4 3466 @ 16-17-17-17, vDIMM @ 1.38v, vSOC @ 1.075v
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 25 2018, 02:15 AM)
latest test on how's d sniper x scales from 3200  - 3466, pardon d lousy efficiency...  doh.gif

DDR4 3200 @ 14-17-17-17, vDIMM @ 1.37v, vSOC @ 0.95v
DDR4 3333 @ 16-17-17-17, vDIMM @ 1.35v, vSOC @ 0.95v
DDR4 3400 @ 16-17-17-17, vDIMM @ 1.35v, vSOC @ 0.95v
DDR4 3466 @ 16-17-17-17, vDIMM @ 1.38v, vSOC @ 1.075v

Nice try bro rclxms.gif
For more efficient performance and reduced latency, I highly recommended using the Ryzen DRAM Calculator.
This is Hynix CFR 3200 Fast preset:
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Use DangWang HCl Memtest Pro: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m8Qg6HECXV...ZRM0omM-O4/view
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Aug 25 2018, 11:08 AM)
Nice try bro  rclxms.gif
For more efficient performance and reduced latency, I highly recommended using the Ryzen DRAM Calculator.
This is Hynix CFR 3200 Fast preset:
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Use DangWang HCl Memtest Pro: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m8Qg6HECXV...ZRM0omM-O4/view
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thanks for the tips & tool bro.. d memtest pro is really useful... thumbup.gif

changed to a bigger case, beefier psu, a more proper 1080p card, & a decent cooler which donated by my buddy over here in SG. laugh.gif

u were right bro, a cooler chip put less burden to IMC, less vdimm needed... bout 0.07v shaved. smile.gif

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3466 after some warm up... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 31 2018, 10:19 PM)
thanks for the tips & tool bro.. d memtest pro is really useful...  thumbup.gif

changed to a bigger case, beefier psu, a more proper 1080p card, & a decent cooler which donated by my buddy over here in SG.  laugh.gif

u were right bro, a cooler chip put less burden to IMC, less vdimm needed... bout 0.07v shaved.  smile.gif
3466 after some warm up...  tongue.gif

Nice bro. rclxms.gif
Those subtimings, did you refer to DRAM Calculator or let the mobo auto-set?

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Just want to share another RAM testing tool from 1usmus @ OCN, not sure about its consistency though.

TM 5 0.12 1usmus config v2 (memory test)

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Why this test/config?
Most of the tests work on a strict template. I think it's all a waste of time. In this configurator, the pattern is random. There is a re-allocation of memory for tests. Also, temperature-related tests for errors are added, tests in which the write and read offset occurs.
For a dual rank of 5 cycles, for a single - 10, (recommendation).

Download test:
http://testmem.tz.ru/tm5.rar

Download config:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oN5MPOxJvi...iew?usp=sharing

How to instal:

In the bin folder replace MT.cfg

Source

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had some fun with a cheap board... tongue.gif

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a personal record albeit just sp32m... blush.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Nov 11 2018, 06:01 PM)
had some fun with a cheap board... tongue.gif
a personal record albeit just sp32m...  blush.gif
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3600, nice! rclxms.gif
That's the advantage of a 2-DIMM mobo with short signal trace.
At what voltage for that OC? How about the RAM latency now?
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Nov 14 2018, 09:04 PM)
3600, nice!  rclxms.gif
That's the advantage of a 2-DIMM mobo with short signal trace.
At what voltage for that OC? How about the RAM latency now?
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vdimm @ 1.4v/vsoc @ 1.15v bro. vdimm increment per notch @ 0.05v... bangwall.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Nov 14 2018, 10:09 PM)
vdimm @ 1.4v/vsoc @ 1.15v bro. vdimm increment per notch @ 0.05v...  bangwall.gif
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For 3600, 4-DIMM mobo would need more than that or worse, not possible at all with average IMC and RAM chips. sad.gif

I've recently sold ditched my 2700X + C7H and went for 1400 + Prime B450M-K in my chick's rig. If got free time I will try playing RAM OC with the latter to see how it clocks.

Oh yeah, your RAM latency is quite high most probably because of that tRFC being too loose. I'd say tightening it up would shave off a good amount of ns.

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Nov 14 2018, 10:52 PM)
For 3600, 4-DIMM mobo would need more than that or worse, not possible at all with average IMC and RAM chips. sad.gif

I've recently sold ditched my 2700X + C7H and went for 1400 + Prime B450M-K in my chick's rig. If got free time I will try playing RAM OC with the latter to see how it clocks.

Oh yeah, your RAM latency is quite high most probably because of that tRFC being too loose. I'd say tightening it up would shave off a good amount of ns.
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Yup bro, really had hard time hitting 3600 with 4dimm boards, even coupled with gen2 chip which theoretically with better imc. sad.gif

Sbould have gotten d itx board bro, they really are cili padi. Beefier vrm compared to some high-mid range atx boards. drool.gif

Will try tightenin d timing soon bro, thx for d tips. wink.gif
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some unknown oem sticks with Samsung bdie (label on d chip, but not shown in t.burner)… 3200 @ 14 141 4 wasn't doable so I doubt it's really original bdie… laugh.gif

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Newbie to overclocking here.
test as friend suggest to.

only berani go till 3.65ghz for now sweat.gif
https://valid.x86.fr/b8vavr

R1700 , msi b350m mortar, 32gb 3200mhz trident z (16x2) , 1.225vcore
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QUOTE(mastering89 @ Nov 21 2018, 09:01 AM)
Newbie to overclocking here.
test as friend suggest to.

only berani go till 3.65ghz for now sweat.gif
https://valid.x86.fr/b8vavr

R1700 , msi b350m mortar,  32gb 3200mhz trident z (16x2) , 1.225vcore
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things with 8 cores chip is they toast d vrm alot, & considerin b350m mortar is of 4+2 vrm, they'll heat up very fast & not that suitable for non x chip (where boost clock is lower). i'd run d 1700 stock if i were u. 4+2 phase vrm imo is best for quad cores & moderate oc on 6 cores. my humble 2 cents. tongue.gif
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Guys, i have a question probably you may advise me, currently i'm using Ryzen 1700+Asus C6H mobo+2x8gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3200mhz C14 ram kit. I'm thinking to add another 2x8gb ram kit but i'm worried the ram may not able to run 3200mhz after adding another kit, or should i buy GSkill F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR (4x8GB kit) instead? But i can't find this kit is under motherboard QVL list.
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QUOTE(llk @ Nov 30 2018, 04:28 PM)
Guys, i have a question probably you may advise me, currently i'm using Ryzen 1700+Asus C6H mobo+2x8gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3200mhz C14 ram kit. I'm thinking to add another 2x8gb ram kit but i'm worried the ram may not able to run 3200mhz after adding another kit, or should i buy GSkill F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR (4x8GB kit) instead? But i can't find this kit is under motherboard QVL list.
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It will work and your mobo is C6H, should be easy to run at the rated speed even with populated DIMMs.
I have 2 kits of non-QVL B-die TridentZ RGB 4266 CL19 running stability at 3333 CL14 4x8GB @ 1.39v with the 2700X + C7H.
With 1700 + C6H, it was able to do 3200 CL14 4x8GB @ 1.40v.
MemTest HCl 400%+ of course, don't use other methods unless Prime95 custom blend 1344K FFT with 90%+ RAM capacity stressed for 3 hours minimum.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Dec 1 2018, 09:37 AM)
It will work and your mobo is C6H, should be easy to run at the rated speed even with populated DIMMs.
I have 2 kits of non-QVL B-die TridentZ RGB 4266 CL19 running stability at 3333 CL14 4x8GB @ 1.39v with the 2700X + C7H.
With 1700 + C6H, it was able to do 3200 CL14 4x8GB @ 1.40v.
MemTest HCl 400%+ of course, don't use other methods unless Prime95 custom blend 1344K FFT with 90%+ RAM capacity stressed for 3 hours minimum.
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Thanks for sharing your experience, so i can safely buy another 3200 CL14 kit even though they are not under same production batch? My existing kit i bought since last year.
I have a bad experience with my second rig which is i7 5930K+Asus X99 Deluxe, i bought 2 separate kits of Corsair Dominator Platinum 3200mhz (2X8GB) CL16 but the system refuse to run @3200mhz, highest stable achievable clock is only 2666mhz. Answer replied by Corsair was i need to buy 4pcs kit since they have done factory testing to guarantee it is stable.
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QUOTE(llk @ Dec 1 2018, 10:02 AM)
Thanks for sharing your experience, so i can safely buy another 3200 CL14 kit even though they are not under same production batch? My existing kit i bought since last year.
I have a bad experience with my second rig which is i7 5930K+Asus X99 Deluxe, i bought 2 separate kits of Corsair Dominator Platinum 3200mhz (2X8GB) CL16 but the system refuse to run @3200mhz, highest stable achievable clock is only 2666mhz. Answer replied by Corsair was i need to buy 4pcs kit since they have done factory testing to guarantee it is stable.
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Not only Corsair, actually any other RAM vendor will advice end users to purchase kit rather than mixing sticks. Your case was with X99 chipset, which had tendency to have RAM incompatibility issue.
Yes, it is safe to mix between different production as long as they are both based on the same RAM chip AKA both are B-die's. My kits were from initial batch of 2017 (RGB just died and pending for RMA) and 2018 (a much better kit with improved RGB quality according to G.Skill).

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Dec 1 2018, 10:11 AM)
Not only Corsair, actually any other RAM vendor will advice end users to purchase kit rather than mixing sticks. Your case was with X99 chipset, which had tendency to have RAM incompatibility issue.
Yes, it is safe to mix between different production as long as they are both based on the same RAM chip AKA both are B-die's. My kits were from initial batch of 2017 (RGB just died and pending for RMA) and 2018 (a much better kit with improved RGB quality according to G.Skill).
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Great! Thank you so much, will looking forward to purchase another 3200mhz CL14 kit rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(llk @ Dec 1 2018, 10:23 AM)
Great! Thank you so much, will looking forward to purchase another 3200mhz CL14 kit  rclxms.gif
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Your current kit is GTR or GTRX (AMD certified)? And what edition are you looking to buy?
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Your current kit is GTR or GTRX (AMD certified)? And what edition are you looking to buy?
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My current kit without 'x', that time when i bought the kit 'x' version haven't launched yet, but it is stable run at @3200mhz after enable DOCP.
I think i should buy the same version right?

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QUOTE(llk @ Dec 1 2018, 12:32 PM)
My current kit without 'x', that time when i bought the kit 'x' version haven't launched yet, but it is stable run at @3200mhz after enable DOCP.
I think i should buy the same version right?
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The GTRX has been in local market since quite a while ago, you can find it at RM1099-1199.
Good question... but so far i've never seen any people mixing the GTR and GTRX. But I think they will mix well cos both are also B-die. Only difference is that the latter has been tested and certified to work well with the Ryzen platform.
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Hi all,

After a decade of hiatus from AMD, I'm back with;

Ryzen 2200g
Giga B450 Aorus M
HyperX Predator RGB 3200mhz 2x8gb

Does IBT or OCCT Linpack actually work for AMD?
With Intel I'm used to 20 runs of IBT maximum and calling it a day if it passes.

But my new ryzen setup fails IBT and OCCT Linpack even on stock/default BIOS settings.
Stock like... the RAM is running non-XMP 2400mhz @ 17-17-17 1.2v. Even that fails stress testing.

Load CPU temp is around 65~68c, I'm on AIO water so I guess temps arent the issue here.

IBT fails on the 3rd/4th run and OCCT linpack errors out around +-1hour.

It's driving me nuts and I've spent 2 days pulling my hair over this.
Unsure if there is something I'm missing or I have a lemon part.

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QUOTE(cyloh @ Dec 14 2018, 12:36 AM)
Hi all,

After a decade of hiatus from AMD, I'm back with;

Ryzen 2200g
Giga B450 Aorus M
HyperX Predator RGB 3200mhz 2x8gb

Does IBT or OCCT Linpack actually work for AMD?
With Intel I'm used to 20 runs of IBT maximum and calling it a day if it passes.

But my new ryzen setup fails IBT and OCCT Linpack even on stock/default BIOS settings.
Stock like... the RAM is running non-XMP 2400mhz @ 17-17-17 1.2v. Even that fails stress testing.

Load CPU temp is around 65~68c, I'm on AIO water so I guess temps arent the issue here.

IBT fails on the 3rd/4th run and OCCT linpack errors out around +-1hour.

It's driving me nuts and I've spent 2 days pulling my hair over this.
Unsure if there is something I'm missing or I have a lemon part.

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just run da latest prime, memtest HCI, Realbench.. and you are done.

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not sure bout b450 board but back then when i was on b350m gaming 3 d board wasn't too picky on ram. may i know which 2 slots ur using at the moment? Ryzen based boards prefer d further 2 slots from cpu area. smile.gif

other thank that, try lowest mem frequency (i believe its 2133) with auto timing. wink.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Dec 17 2018, 02:58 PM)
not sure bout b450 board but back then when i was on b350m gaming 3 d board wasn't too picky on ram. may i know which 2 slots ur using at the moment? Ryzen based boards prefer d further 2 slots from cpu area.  smile.gif

other thank that, try lowest mem frequency (i believe its 2133) with auto timing.  wink.gif
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Yeap, I used the slot furthest from the cpu. The mobo manual recommended it.

Previously even auto timing at lowest frequency with 1.35v or 1.4v also will fail Linpack.

Turns out..... i booted to memtest86 and one of the ram stick is tested bad doh.gif
Should have done that on day 1. Wasted so many hours/days banging my head.

After 1-to-1 swap with a working set of memory I can now enjoy.
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QUOTE(cyloh @ Dec 17 2018, 03:37 PM)
Yeap, I used the slot furthest from the cpu. The mobo manual recommended it.

Previously even auto timing at lowest frequency with 1.35v or 1.4v also will fail Linpack.

Turns out..... i booted to memtest86 and one of the ram stick is tested bad  doh.gif
Should have done that on day 1. Wasted so many hours/days banging my head.

After 1-to-1 swap with a working set of memory I can now enjoy.
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glad u managed to sort it out bro. not d 1st time i heard such story. ddr4 qc is somehow more lenient eh these days? sweat.gif

now start ya engine n clock d @$$ outta d rig. looking forwards to ya OC submission. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Dec 17 2018, 04:11 PM)
glad u managed to sort it out bro. not d 1st time i heard such story. ddr4 qc is somehow more lenient eh these days?  sweat.gif

now start ya engine n clock d @$$ outta d rig. looking forwards to ya OC submission.  thumbup.gif
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Test run first.

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Dec 1 2018, 04:18 PM)
The GTRX has been in local market since quite a while ago, you can find it at RM1099-1199.
Good question... but so far i've never seen any people mixing the GTR and GTRX. But I think they will mix well cos both are also B-die. Only difference is that the latter has been tested and certified to work well with the Ryzen platform.
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Finally another pair 2X8GB 3200mhz C14 b-die arrived, everything keep auto, voltage set 1.35V, straight boot into Windows, by the way the model i bought is F4-3200C14D-16GTZR, this in not ryzen optimized but intel.

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QUOTE(llk @ Dec 24 2018, 02:17 PM)
Finally another pair 2X8GB 3200mhz C14 b-die arrived, everything keep auto, voltage set 1.35V, straight boot into Windows, by the way the model i bought is F4-3200C14D-16GTZR, this in not ryzen optimized but intel.
Great! Good to know that it actually works perfectly on Ryzen as well. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Korra99 @ Feb 20 2019, 08:38 AM)
Anybody know what is the performance improvement (if any) if i overclock using just the stock cooler? For ryzen 1600
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imo there will be 3 factors deciding d mileage, performance improvement aside:

1. how good is ya mobo vrm - 6c12t will be quite toasty on those mobo with weak 3+3/4+2/4+3 boards, throttling will happen
2. air flow in ya case - i would say 3.8GHz is doable usin stock cooler, but if ur doing it on a bad air flow case (shoebox/slim profile), u can totally forget about pushin d chip further than stock
3. luck, i have tested 1500x which for its life cant oc even 100MHz more than stock w/o increasing vcore to a 1600 which can do 3.8GHz with stock volt (or slight lower).

back to performance improvement, i'd say ram mileage does affect d performance gained by some margin. go for highest cpu + ram oc with existing cooling is always d way to go imo. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Korra99 @ Feb 20 2019, 08:38 AM)
Anybody know what is the performance improvement (if any) if i overclock using just the stock cooler? For ryzen 1600
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As mentioned by abam khoo, an average Ryzen 5 1600 should be able to overclock to 3.75-3.8GHz on stock cooler.
I'd say 1.35v max at 100% load before throttling.
Keep the CPU core temps (Tctl/Tdie measured through HWiNFO64) below 75c if possible.
I also noticed that your mobo is AB350, might be a good idea to actively cool the VRM with a fan pointing toward the heatsinks surrounding the CPU socket.

Performance gain in CPU intensive tests according to TPU is about 8%:
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However, in gaming environment based on G3D results the improvement is almost negligible:
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QUOTE(Korra99 @ Feb 20 2019, 10:43 PM)
thanks for advice, i think i will hold off ocing as my mobo vrm is not very good and not much gaming performance
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u can always try to undervolt ya chip yet oc for +100~200MHz, who knows u got an above average chip there. If ur not gonna venture into CPU oc, u can try to play with ram oc. i reckon 3200MHz wont really require u to up the vimc (cpu nb) voltage a notch or 2 usually. as long as ya ram stick is on Hynic AFR, u shouldn't have issue hitting 3200MHz, if Hynix MFR mebe slightly lower @ 3066MHz, timing wise try 16-18-18 & try to tighten it from there (16-17-17 or if ur lucky, 14-17-17). AFR timing is about there @ 3200MHz. wink.gif

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some cheap but decent kvr... 3200 seemed to be no go @ cas14... sad.gif

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3133Mhz did improved d result a lil... biggrin.gif

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3200MHz finally done, need to let d mobo do some memory trainin... sweat.gif

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something like this bro... smile.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Feb 24 2019, 10:03 AM)
some cheap but decent kvr... 3200 seemed to be no go @ cas14...  sad.gif
3133Mhz did improved d result a lil...  biggrin.gif
3200MHz finally done, need to let d mobo do some memory trainin...  sweat.gif
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abam khoo bought new mobo again... blink.gif
But where's your AB350M?


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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Feb 25 2019, 10:25 PM)
abam khoo bought new mobo again...  blink.gif
But where's your AB350M?
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not new lah bro, switched to full atx for tidier look... laugh.gif

ab350m soon to be released, kenot afford to put under bed doin nothing... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Feb 25 2019, 09:03 PM)
something like this bro...  smile.gif

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B-die tRCDWR can be set as low as 8 and still maintains stability! blink.gif




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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Feb 26 2019, 10:07 AM)
not new lah bro, switched to full atx for tidier look...  laugh.gif

ab350m soon to be released, kenot afford to put under bed doin nothing...  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Mar 4 2019, 07:51 PM)
B-die tRCDWR can be set as low as 8 and still maintains stability!  blink.gif


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QUOTE(EdBaaBaa. @ Mar 5 2019, 10:10 AM)
aint that right? what full atx you recommended that would be nice for it
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for moderate oc with 6c12t & below, either b450 tomahawk or x470 gaming plus (if u dont mind d look) would be decent, with d latter offer slightly stronger vrm. smile.gif

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QUOTE(EdBaaBaa. @ Mar 8 2019, 09:59 AM)
ah_khoo thanks for the suggestion thumbsup.gif
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np bro, d reason why i pushed for MSI becoz:

1. they use decent components on VRM.
2. their VRM usually with double fets n some (x470 gaming plus/b450 carbon) with double fets & chokes which will do good to withstand d volt u throw at ya chip (actively coolin it will be even better)
3. their frequent update of BIOS (even my old B350 Tomahawk get update for fixed/offset voltage option, which i can't say all manufactures practice such thing)

Cheers... thumbsup.gif

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something like this bro...  smile.gif

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ok ape bro... push lagi… mrf to do 3200 cl14 is nice!!!  :thumbsup:
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TridentZ RGB for AMD 3600 CL18-22-22 1.35v kit is MFR, remember?
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is mfr will impact performance significantly?
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RAM IC doesn't matter, be it MFR/CFR/AFR/B-die. They are comparable to each other at the same specs.
Among these chips, Samsung B-die is the best overclocker as it scales well with the voltage.

Ryzen CPU architecture uses AMD's Infinity Fabric, which directly linked to RAM speed.
So faster memory will give a better CPU performance.

RAM clock speed (higher is better) and timing (lower is better) are more important.
Best way to know which RAM kit is faster is by calculating its true latency (lower is better):

3600 CL18 = 2000/3600*18 = 10.00
3600 CL16 = 2000/3600*16 = 8.89 (faster than 3600 CL18)
3200 CL16 = 2000/3200*16 = 10.00 (same as 3600 CL18)
3200 CL14 = 2000/3200*14 = 8.75 (fastest)
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Mar 8 2019, 05:31 PM)
TridentZ RGB for AMD 3600 CL18-22-22 1.35v kit is MFR, remember?
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my bad bro, really lost touch liao nowadays (exuse of being plain lazy tongue.gif )... sweat.gif

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AMD always favor tight timing @ decent freq. as pointed out by bro owi, B-Die (Samsung) will win single-handedly when it comes to mileage & timing, but thing is B-die are kinda rare breed nowadays & not to mention comes with bigger price tag. next best alternative would be Hynix that can do 3600 @ CL16, but u gotta make sure they are binned for AMD & u have a pretty decent board & IMC (something which u cant really choose). sad.gif

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New toy in a small footprint.. Pairing it with 2600X

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Mar 18 2019, 09:56 PM)
New toy in a small footprint.. Pairing it with 2600X

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i am on ryzen 2600, managed to get to 4.1 on 1.35v, and turned on XMP for my ram for 3 instead of 3.2 and everything works fine and smoothly. (i used prime95 to test the cpu, 80-83c max temp, never bothered going further)

cpu temps on idle 30-32c, on load when playing game wont reach 55c.

i see huge improvements on game like black desert online.

edit: using a normal idcooling aio 120 auraflow

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https://i.imgur.com/h4nyfEP.png

waiting for ebucket to have the xpg d41 8gb to come back in stock XD
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QUOTE(offinz @ Mar 20 2019, 03:43 AM)
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waiting for ebucket to have the xpg d41 8gb to come back in stock XD
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AMD Ryzen Memory Tweaking & Overclocking Guide by 1usmus
Hynix C-die @ 3800 CL16 wub.gif
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https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryz...clocking_Guide/

However look at the performance numbers, Samsung B-die beats Hynix C-die at the same RAM clock speed.

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my very own attempt on older gen Ryzen... tongue.gif

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CPU, RAM and mobo are strong at delivering DDR4-3600 CL16.
Currently all sub-timings are auto-set by BIOS. Hence, the low RAM bandwidths and high latency.
Next up, will fix the efficiency issue by tightening up the RAM timings and probably still able to reduce the voltages a bit.

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Mar 23 2019, 12:37 AM)
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CPU, RAM and mobo are strong at delivering DDR4-3600 CL16.
Currently all sub-timings are auto-set by BIOS. Hence, the low RAM bandwidths and high latency.
Next up, will fix the efficiency issue by tightening up the RAM timings and probably still able to reduce the voltages a bit.

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job very well done bro... gotta love those bdie wub.gif

nice cili padi board too... how's d mileage on d cpu itself bro? smile.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Mar 23 2019, 12:48 AM)
job very well done bro... gotta love those bdie wub.gif
nice cili padi board too... how's d mileage on d cpu itself bro?  smile.gif
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B-die is fun bro, you should get some and play again wub.gif
Now at 3600 CL14, hopefully can get it stable at 1.40v.
Haven't play with the CPU OC yet cos now on stock cooler.
Just installed few hours ago and straight away hentam DDR4-3600 biggrin.gif
Will take it for a spin on custom wc later when I got time to swap the CPU waterblock with AM4 bracket.

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Mar 23 2019, 12:59 AM)
B-die is fun bro, you should get some and play again  wub.gif
Now at 3600 CL14, hopefully can get it stable at 1.40v.
Haven't play with the CPU OC yet cos now on stock cooler.
Just installed few hours ago and straight away hentam DDR4-3600  biggrin.gif
Will take it for a spin on custom wc later when I got time to swap the CPU waterblock with AM4 bracket.
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I have bro, but I think is celup one... oem sticks but with bdie label. in thaiphoon burner also not recognized, & cant do 3200 @ 14-14-14. so I pretty much confirm it's celup one... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Mar 23 2019, 01:27 AM)
I have bro, but I think is celup one... oem sticks but with bdie label. in thaiphoon burner also not recognized, & cant do 3200 @ 14-14-14. so I pretty much confirm it's celup one...  tongue.gif
here's a quickie @ 1M...  mega_shok.gif
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There are good and bad B-dies, even PCB design (A2 > A1) can give different OC potentials. They don't like to be hot, prefer lower voltage. It is recommended that an active cooling fan blowing towards the RAM sticks.

Ehh I thought 1m bench is usually used for testing CPU OC. For RAM OC better use 32m, although it will not confirm 24/7 stability (HCl Memtest will do).

I'd recommend using Ryzen Timing Calculator to tighten the RAM timing and improve the performance efficiency. Key for achieving RAM OC stability is to find the correct combination of procODT and RTT etc, all of these possible values can be obtained from RTC.

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I continued tightening up the RAM timing while reducing the voltages.
Now with RTC 3600 Fast preset, stable HCl 300%.

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Update 1: 3666 Fast preset appears to be a successful run as well...

owikh84 | ASUS ROG Strix B450-I Gaming | G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4266 CL19 (Samsung B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3666 CL14-15-14-28-1T @ 1.475V | vSOC @ 1.150V
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Next, I will tighten the tRFC's again to improve the latency or may go straight for 3733 (hopefully stable).

Update 2: Managed to complete AIDA64 benchmark at DDR4-3733 CL16 @ 1.49v/1.175v, not stable in HCl though:
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that was some masterclass attempts bro... superb!!! notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

will try to push d bdie celup if happened i have time... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Mar 26 2019, 12:43 PM)
that was some masterclass attempts bro... superb!!!  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

will try to push d bdie celup if happened i have time...  sweat.gif
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Looking at the high vSOC, I think I might have hit IMC limit of my chip. So far stable RAM OC maxes out at 3666, 3733 seems hard even with relaxed timings and increased/excessive voltages.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Apr 2 2019, 09:30 AM)
Looking at the high vSOC, I think I might have hit IMC limit of my chip. So far stable RAM OC maxes out at 3666, 3733 seems hard even with relaxed timings and increased/excessive voltages.
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DDR4 3666 @ CL14 is very2 impressive already bro, i'd be dead happy if 3600 is doable on full fledged ATX board. hopefully DDR4 4000 for 24/7 is doable on next gen... smile.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Apr 2 2019, 10:20 AM)
DDR4 3666 @ CL14 is very2 impressive already bro, i'd be dead happy if 3600 is doable on full fledged ATX board. hopefully DDR4 4000 for 24/7 is doable on next gen...  smile.gif
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Right now I don't have any 4dimm board after I sold off my C7HW last time. I think DDR4 3600 for 24/7 maybe possible with the current AGESA BIOS. I just don't have the board to play again.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Apr 2 2019, 11:30 AM)
Right now I don't have any 4dimm board after I sold off my C7HW last time. I think DDR4 3600 for 24/7 maybe possible with the current AGESA BIOS. I just don't have the board to play again.
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on contrary i have 4dimm board but i have no ram & imc able to sustain such frequency... laugh.gif

will try out some junk yards stuff see whether it's doable... kinda regret sellin off d sniper x liao... for Hynix i think CJR is d safest bet to reach 3600... AFR need those specially binned one, MFR just managed to try once (KLEVV Bolt) but result aint really encouraging back then. mebe user problem... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Apr 2 2019, 01:38 PM)
on contrary i have 4dimm board but i have no ram & imc able to sustain such frequency...  laugh.gif

will try out some junk yards stuff see whether it's doable... kinda regret sellin off d sniper x liao... for Hynix i think CJR is d safest bet to reach 3600... AFR need those specially binned one, MFR just managed to try once (KLEVV Bolt) but result aint really encouraging back then. mebe user problem...  sweat.gif
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Some CJR OC results from GeIL guy, not sure if he has pushed it to the limit. innocent.gif

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Weekend testing overclocked 2600X on air (stock cooler) vs custom liquid cooling.
P95 1344K AVX with 90%+ RAM tested for 30 minutes.

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Stock cooler: 4.025GHz @ 1.35v LLC5 (highest) => max 92.6C (95C is temp limit for 2600X)
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Custom WC: 4.025GHz @ 1.35v LLC5 (highest) => max 63.5C
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Custom WC: 4.20GHz @ 1.4125v LLC5 (highest) => max 69.5C

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I think I've found the key for DDR4-3733 stability, it's the CAD 20-30-20-20 that makes everything stable even at lower voltages.

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At this clock I think might still be able to reduce the voltages, or tighten the RAM timings to improve the efficiency. Stay tuned for more... biggrin.gif

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Tighten the RAM timings a bit as per DRAM Calculator with additional voltages. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Apr 10 2019, 11:02 PM)
Tighten the RAM timings a bit as per DRAM Calculator with additional voltages. biggrin.gif

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Some said Samsung B-die can tolerate high voltage.
But I still find 1.48v on DDR4 is too high.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 11 2019, 01:09 PM)
Some said Samsung B-die can tolerate high voltage.
But I still find 1.48v on DDR4 is too high.
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1.48v is still okay.
Look at those DDR4-4600+ b-die kits that are officially rated at 1.50v: http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-4800c18d-16gtrs
In fact B-die like old Samsung chips can hold up to 2.0v on air.
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Apparently HCl Memtest needs more juices to stabilize and I also made some changes on the RAM subtimings especially the CADs and Rtt settings.

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Next would be DDR4-3800, hopefully biggrin.gif
Update: TM5 is not stable with multiple errors almost instantly. Just managed to complete AIDA64 benchmarks.
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Today I proceed testing RAM OC with ADATA XPG Spectrix D80 DDR4-3600 CL17.

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As we all know Ryzen doesn't like odd CAS timing such as CL15, 17, 19 etc. I managed to stabilize the memory at the rated frequency and primary timings with some manual adjustments of subtimings, disablement of GearDown and command rate being set to 2T. Of course, additional voltage is required.

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DDR4-3666 is probably the max stable OC of these particular D80 modules.

owikh84 | ASUS ROG Strix B450-I Gaming | ADATA XPG Spectrix D80 DDR4-3600 CL17 (Samsung B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3666 CL16-17-17-28-1T @ 1.480V | vSOC @ 1.125V
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DDR4-3733 is not stable though, no matter how much efforts I had put it just didn't work. Only stable in AIDA64 benchmarks:
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TM5 0.12 v3 config

Download link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17u_...6gJY05peEicbBsQ

* fixed test crash , when a certain cycle there was a shortage of memory
* 2 new test added
* test number 14 was temporarily removed, because there were few situations in which an error was found there
* special config for HEDT with 4 channel mode

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Source: https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus...ml#post27937678
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ah_khoo, I think you missed out these entries biggrin.gif

CPU OC: owikh84 | Ryzen 5 2600X | 4.2GHz | ASUS ROG Strix B450-I | Custom WC > Link

RAM OC: owikh84 | ASUS ROG Strix B450-I Gaming | G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4266 CL19 (Samsung B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3733 CL14-15-14-34-1T @ 1.490V | vSOC @ 1.1875V > Link
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Apr 21 2019, 09:37 AM)
ah_khoo, I think you missed out these entries biggrin.gif

CPU OC: owikh84 | Ryzen 5 2600X | 4.2GHz | ASUS ROG Strix B450-I | Custom WC > Link

RAM OC: owikh84 | ASUS ROG Strix B450-I Gaming | G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4266 CL19 (Samsung B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3733 CL14-15-14-34-1T @ 1.490V | vSOC @ 1.1875V > Link
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quick run with 2600X & X470 gaming pro carbon...

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DRAM Calculator for Ryzen v1.5.0 by 1usmus
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Yuri "1usmus" Bubliy, who practically wrote the book on AMD Ryzen memory overclocking, presents DRAM Calculator for Ryzen v1.5.0, the latest version of the most powerful tool available to help you overclock memory on PCs powered by AMD Ryzen processors. The biggest feature-addition is MEMBench, a new internal memory benchmark that tests performance of your machine's memory sub-system, and can be used to test the stability of your memory overclock. Among the other feature-additions include the "Compare Timings" button, which gives you a side-by-side comparison of your machine's existing settings, with what's possible or the settings you've arrived at using the app.

Motherboards vary by memory slot topology, and DRAM Calculator for Ryzen can now be told what topology your board has, so it can better tune settings such as procODT and RTT. The author also de-cluttered the main screen to improve ease of use. Among the under-the-hood changes are improved SoC voltage prediction for each generation of Ryzen. The main timing calculation and prediction algorithms are improved with the addition of the likes of GDM prediction. Also added is support for 4-DIMM system configurations. A bug in which the imported HTML profiles were automatically assumed to be specific to Samsung b-die mode. A number of minor changes were made, detailed in the change-log below.

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After playing for few days with low-end mobo from ASUS, I'd say this board is not easy on the RAM clocking.
DDR4-3333 is not stable no matter how much efforts I've put, DDR4-3200 CL14 is the max.

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ May 16 2019, 07:59 PM)
After playing for few days with low-end mobo from ASUS, I'd say this board is not easy on the RAM clocking.
DDR4-3333 is not stable no matter how much efforts I've put, DDR4-3200 CL14 is the max.

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Nice setup bro... thumbsup.gif

yeah, asus low-mid range nowadays are quite mediocre... long gone d day like d evo series can actually do very2 decent... for now minimum enthusiast level also need strix, even some strix (noticeably d B series) are severely cut down in term of quality (components as well as ocbility)... sad.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ May 22 2019, 01:01 PM)
Nice setup bro...  thumbsup.gif

yeah, asus low-mid range nowadays are quite mediocre... long gone d day like d evo series can actually do very2 decent... for now minimum enthusiast level also need strix, even some strix (noticeably d B series) are severely cut down in term of quality (components as well as ocbility)...  sad.gif
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+1 Can't agree more bro.
Based on VRM quality found on overall X470/B450 boards, best to worst would be MSI, ASUS, GIGABYTE, ASRock.
I recently came across one useful VRM quality list to support this claim.

Good
SinoPower SM7341EH (dual) - 1.0 / 1.2 - 25A - +50% - data
NikoSem PK612DZ (dual) - 1.4 / 1.9 - 20A - +90% - data_ext
FairChild FDPC5030 (dual) - 1.9 / 2.4 - 25A - +40% - data_ext - acquired by OnSemi
OnSemi 4C86N (dual) - 1.7 / 2.6 - 30A - +50% - data
Ubiq QN3107 - 2.1 / 2.6 - 30A - +40% - data
TI CSD87350 (dual) - 2.1 / 2.8 - 20A - +30% - data - Vgs.on=4.5V, Vgs.on.max=8V
OnSemi 4C024N - 2.3 / 2.8 - 30A - +50% - data <= most MSI MB use this
SinoPower SM4503 - 2.5 / 3.0 - 20A - +50% - data
NikoSem PK632BA - 2.1 / 3.3 - 20A - +60% - data

Not Bad
NXP PH4030AL - 2.72 / 4.0 - 15A - +50% - data_ext
OnSemi 4C06N - 3.2 / 4.0 - 30A - +50% - data <= most ASUS/GBT MB use this
Vishay SiRA12BDP RA12 - 2.7 / 4.3 - 10A - +40% - data
Vishay SiRA12DP RA12 - 3.2 / 4.3 - 10A - +50% - data_ext

Bad
AdvancedPower AP4024GEMT - 3.5 / 4.5 - 20A - +40% - data
Ubiq QN3054 - 3.8 / 4.8 - 30A - +40% - data
SinoPower SM4336 - 4.4 / 5.3 - 30A - +50% - data <= most ASRock MB use this
NikoSem PK618BA - 3.7 / 5.5 - 20A - +60% - data <= most ASRock MB use this
SinoPower SM4364 - 4.7 / 5.7 - 40A - +50% - data

Source: https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-amd-gene...ml#post27572140

Full VRM list for major MB vendors: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/p...te-1155146.html

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some quickie with older gen board with d youngest sibling in Ryzen 3K family:

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OCing GSkill Trident Z RGB 3200mhz CL14 to 3600mhz CL14 1.45v with Asus X570 C8H
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Very2 nice score there bro... 3900x really a must if budget allowed. Any luck on 4k ram? 👍
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Very2 nice score there bro... 3900x really a must if budget allowed. Any luck on 4k ram? 👍
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Didn't try further, i felt bumping the voltage to 1.45v already considered quite high, average temp at 41~42 degree celsius. Not dare to go further biggrin.gif
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So, RAM write bandwidth of 3900X is 50k MB/s vs 3600 29k MB/s. Interesting...
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Didn't try further, i felt bumping the voltage to 1.45v already considered quite high, average temp at 41~42 degree celsius. Not dare to go further  biggrin.gif
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my bad bro... didint notice they're 32GB paur... fantastic MHz & timing!!! thumbsup.gif

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So, RAM write bandwidth of 3900X is 50k MB/s vs 3600 29k MB/s. Interesting...
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Nice clockin' bro, if possible try to improve the BW efficiency cos now seems slower than your 3600 CL16 run previously.
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forgot to change d fclk bro (was using 1866 just now instead of 2100), but i think very high frequency + rather tight timing is needed to beat 1:1 result... this is already the fast profile usin dram calculator @ 4200, doubt i dare to go extreme profile w/o killin d loaned ram... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 4 2019, 09:39 PM)
forgot to change d fclk bro (was using 1866 just now instead of 2100), but i think very high frequency + rather tight timing is needed to beat 1:1 result...  this is already the fast profile usin dram calculator @ 4200, doubt i dare to go extreme profile w/o killin d loaned ram...  sweat.gif ]

Make sense, looks like 3800 CL14 is a thing now for Ryzen.
Anything above will just kill efficiency.

Btw, a 3600/3600X @ 4.2GHz with 60ish ns latency should be able to match 8700K @ 5.0GHz (~1650cb) in CB R15. Not sure if your cooling is still able to handle it.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Aug 4 2019, 11:51 PM)
Make sense, looks like 3800 CL14 is a thing now for Ryzen.
Anything above will just kill efficiency.

Btw, a 3600/3600X @ 4.2GHz with 60ish ns latency should be able to match 8700K @ 5.0GHz (~1650cb)  in CB R15.  Not sure if your cooling is still able to handle it.
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1st sub 65ns attempt, slightly better than ryzen 2k, bdie really helped alot i guess... unsure.gif

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bdie is heading back to d owner so this is pretty much d last attempt on basic stability test (minus d efficiency as usual... tongue.gif )

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 13 2019, 10:00 AM)
bdie is heading back to d owner so this is pretty much d last attempt on basic stability test (minus d efficiency as usual...  tongue.gif )

DDR4-4500+ is seriously not bad for a kit that's rated at 3466.
In plan to try Micron E-die?
I heard it might be as good as or even better than B-die in terms of thermal tolerance.
For record, B-die will fly higher if you are able to keep the temp below 42C.

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DDR4-4500+ is seriously not bad for a kit that's rated at 3466.
In plan to try Micron E-die?
I heard it might be as good as or even better than B-die in terms of thermal tolerance.
For record, B-die will fly higher if you are able to keep the temp below 42C.
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Thats what i think also bro, really not bad but d efficiency realy not there so its really just for d sake of figures only. tongue.gif

No plan to go micron e die as of now bro... Infact am decommissioning d rig liao. I see what i wanted to see already. smile.gif

Thanks for d tips on d temp bro, will ask d owner aka kemal to take note of this. biggrin.gif
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Hi guys. I tried tightening my RAM timing using the DRAM calculator and it seems to work. 3200 from CL16 to CL14 and all those other timings. Tried testing the RAM and no error. But if i try to on the PC (cold boot) it won't start and after a few resets, it will just revert the RAM to 2400. Any idea why?


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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Aug 15 2019, 09:38 PM)
Hi guys. I tried tightening my RAM timing using the DRAM calculator and it seems to work. 3200 from CL16 to CL14 and all those other timings. Tried testing the RAM and no error. But if i try to on the PC (cold boot) it won't start and after a few resets, it will just revert the RAM to 2400. Any idea why?
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RAM issue with cold booting, doubt that your RAM OC is stable.
With what software did you test the stability of your RAM OC?
Mind to share any screenshot of the run?
Perhaps you need to play more with memory settings such as disabling GearDown, adjusting procODT etc.

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I have just built a rig with Ryzen 5 3600 with B450 Strix-F. On latest bios 2605 (Aegesa 1003 ab). All core boost clock (PBO + auto overclocking) is only 3950Mhz during CPU-Z stress test and Aida64 stability test. single core boost also never goes beyond 4100Mhz. However i can manual overclock to all core boost clock of 4200MHz with voltage of 1.4V, Aida64 stable for 30min.

I am using 360mm AIO and my CPU temp is good. Max load while on PBO + auto overclocking was only 72C. Hence the PBO is definitely not limited by the temp.

Any sifu here can confirm whether PBO is broken for B450 chipset with latest microcode?
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QUOTE(hypermax @ Aug 19 2019, 11:44 PM)
I have just built a rig with Ryzen 5 3600 with B450 Strix-F. On latest bios 2605 (Aegesa 1003 ab). All core boost clock (PBO + auto overclocking) is only 3950Mhz during CPU-Z stress test and Aida64 stability test. single core boost also never goes beyond 4100Mhz. However i can manual overclock to all core boost clock of 4200MHz with voltage of 1.4V, Aida64 stable for 30min.

I am using 360mm AIO and my CPU temp is good. Max load while on PBO + auto overclocking was only 72C. Hence the PBO is definitely not limited by the temp.

Any sifu here can confirm whether PBO is broken for B450 chipset with latest microcode?
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not sure on b450 bro but your scenario pretty much d same on my x470 carbon. single core boost might be tied to the trifectors, namely PPT, TDC & EDC. i admire ya setup bro, i have same cooling as yours & a 3600, d chip cant manual oc for its life. even @ 3.9GHz i need a whopping 1.45v & that's not AVX stable. temp can even reach till boiling point as well @ 3.9GHz. if i were u, i'd stick to your current setting @ 4.2Ghz, with some tweak on CNQ and/or adaptive voltage. 4.2Ghz w/ 1.4v with that kinda temp is pretty good to my book already. notworthy.gif
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pbo is pretty much broken across platforms, that's not limited to b450

if you're fancy to OC at this moment, do auto oc only.

actually if I were you, at this moment I would simply adjust PPT, TDC's, and EDC's.

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QUOTE(hypermax @ Aug 19 2019, 11:44 PM)
I have just built a rig with Ryzen 5 3600 with B450 Strix-F. On latest bios 2605 (Aegesa 1003 ab). All core boost clock (PBO + auto overclocking) is only 3950Mhz during CPU-Z stress test and Aida64 stability test. single core boost also never goes beyond 4100Mhz. However i can manual overclock to all core boost clock of 4200MHz with voltage of 1.4V, Aida64 stable for 30min.

I am using 360mm AIO and my CPU temp is good. Max load while on PBO + auto overclocking was only 72C. Hence the PBO is definitely not limited by the temp.

Any sifu here can confirm whether PBO is broken for B450 chipset with latest microcode?
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From reddit it seems PBO is still broken on ASUS B450.
Not sure if other vendors managed to fix it or not though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/chfl3...ing_ryzen_3000/

Btw, curious how come some users managed to get PBO worked?!
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The PBO + Auto OC definitely works well with my 3600. I'm now hitting an all core boost between 4.25GHz and 4.3GHz during gaming and a single core boost of 4.4GHz. Before enabling PBO + Auto OC i was capped at 4.1GHz.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cdabj...wk_pbo_testing/

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QUOTE(nrw @ Aug 20 2019, 12:12 PM)
pbo is pretty much broken across platforms, that's not limited to b450

if you're fancy to OC at this moment, do auto oc only.

actually if I were you, at this moment I would simply adjust PPT, TDC's, and EDC's.
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Auto OC yielded same result for me. So gonna stick to manual overclock at this stage

Gonna try to downgrade to previous bios with aegesa 1002. I heard PBO is better on that version

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pretty much max freq can be squeezed out from d x470 + CJR... smile.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 21 2019, 04:50 PM)
pretty much max freq can be squeezed out from d x470 + CJR...  smile.gif

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Even though I hate mem (benchs) on settings that are far from being stable for long term that's a pretty good 2666 rated kit you got there despite your timings are suffering big time to achieve the frequency.
That cpu however o.O 4.125GHz with 1.456V … damn. Mines doing 4.225 more with 1.415 (AVX ST) (which translates to 1674 mc cb in r15)
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QUOTE(nrw @ Aug 22 2019, 12:14 AM)
Even though I hate mem (benchs) on settings that are far from being stable for long term that's a pretty good 2666 rated kit you got there despite your timings are suffering big time to achieve the frequency.
That cpu however o.O 4.125GHz with 1.456V … damn. Mines doing 4.225 more with 1.415 (AVX ST) (which translates to 1674 mc cb in r15)
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agreed, 32m would be d very basic memory stability test. Whack d setup with even tm5 i see errors with a min. I would say ram mileage on ryzen 3K is very2 forgiving, especially on itx boards (if bios/agesa done rite). Thing is anything above 1:1 (3733) is pretty much pointless, running ram above d mentioned frequency is really for d sake of fun/exploring d mileage only. smile.gif

CPU OC is pretty much stock or nothing. I gave up wholeheartedly. As long as it runs am grateful enuf already... Such a big big lemon i must say... biggrin.gif




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itx managed to push d ram a lil bit further... tongue.gif

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pretty close to B Die mileage albeit d laxer timing... sweat.gif

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one stable light overclock on my small ryzen system then blush.gif

3600 @4.125Ghz, 1.344V (no lcc so its @1.31 after vdroop)
B450 Tomahawk
2x16GB E-Die 1:1 FCLK, 3800, 16-19-16-38

solid cpu but far from outstanding. maxes out at 4.225 @1.39 with llc. I like my system silent and more efficient however.

E-dies as expected, tRCDRD and tRFC (a bit) higher than what one would see using B-dies. other than that it's on par with 'regular' binned B-dies.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Sep 1 2019, 02:44 AM)
one stable light overclock on my small ryzen system then  blush.gif

3600 @4.125Ghz, 1.344V (no lcc so its @1.31 after vdroop)
B450 Tomahawk
2x16GB E-Die 1:1 FCLK, 3800, 16-19-16-38

solid cpu but far from outstanding. maxes out at 4.225 @1.39 with llc. I like my system silent and more efficient however.

E-dies as expected, tRCDRD and tRFC (a bit) higher than what one would see using B-dies. other than that it's on par with 'regular' binned B-dies.
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Karhu 10000% passed at 3800 16-19-16-38-56?
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Karhu 10000% passed at 3800 16-19-16-38-56?
Mind sharing your ss?
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can just give you the log for now
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[2019-08-27T00:54:55.7314524+08:00] Started testing 27181 MB with 12 thread(s).
[2019-08-27T08:02:08.8908140+08:00] Stopped testing after 0:07:07:13 with 11247 % coverage and 0 error(s).


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Karhu 10000% passed at 3800 16-19-16-38-56?
Mind sharing your ss?
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really calm around here laugh.gif

-> question:
anyone running his b-die kit on 3733/3800 c14 stable?

Gonna try coming weekend. Unfortunately my 3700x (unlike my 3600) doesn't do 3800 on 1:1 so I am eying 3733 14-15-14-35-42 for now, maybe can drop ras a bit. should drop latency to or slightly below 65.
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QUOTE(cyberloner @ Sep 2 2019, 04:29 AM)
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not really lah bro, just doing some meaningless mileage test... sweat.gif

QUOTE(nrw @ Sep 2 2019, 05:18 AM)
morning, there you go
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very2 nice timing & frequency considerin they are more of budget sticks (correct me if i'm wrong) bro... notworthy.gif

QUOTE(nrw @ Sep 3 2019, 11:22 AM)
really calm around here  laugh.gif

-> question:
anyone running his b-die kit on 3733/3800 c14 stable?

Gonna try coming weekend. Unfortunately my 3700x (unlike my 3600) doesn't do 3800 on 1:1 so I am eying 3733 14-15-14-35-42 for now, maybe can drop ras a bit. should drop latency to or slightly below 65.
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if ur referrin to 32GB kit, i believe it's close to 0 here (from observation). as for 16GB, pls wait for bro owi... results comin pretty soon i guess... thumbup.gif

latest bios on x470 gaming pro carbon seemed pretty decent... 4200Mhz on CJR that did 4400 on itx board... sweat.gif

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very2 nice timing & frequency considerin they are more of budget sticks (correct me if i'm wrong) bro...  notworthy.gif
if ur referrin to 32GB kit, i believe it's close to 0 here (from observation). as for 16GB, pls wait for bro owi... results comin pretty soon i guess...  thumbup.gif
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yup, it's def. a better than average set I got there.for just slightly over RM800 for 32GB with these capabilities is a steal.
if I didn't have some very nice b-die kits I would keep them for sure.

let's see what your sr b-dies can do biggrin.gif
I have a sr hyperx 4000c19 rated kits here which are OK.
soon will get back my 3200c14 g.skill ones, despite having only used those on intel some time back they should be better... lets see
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QUOTE(nrw @ Sep 3 2019, 02:39 PM)
yup, it's def. a better than average set I got there.for just slightly over RM800 for 32GB with these capabilities is a steal.
if I didn't have some very nice b-die kits I would keep them for sure.

let's see what your sr b-dies can do  biggrin.gif
I have a sr hyperx 4000c19 rated kits here which are OK.
soon will get back my 3200c14 g.skill ones, despite having only used those on intel some time back they should be better... lets see
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unfortunately i have no bdie with me nemore, that was a loan set from my friend. bye.gif

cjr while pretty decent in mileage (pardon d lax timing ofcourse) is very2 challengin to be tamed @ HCI... i dont have d time & patience to HCI @ high frequency i afraid. 32M is d furthest i can go but it really means nothing for total stability. sad.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Sep 3 2019, 02:52 PM)
unfortunately i have no bdie with me nemore, that was a loan set from my friend.  bye.gif

cjr while pretty decent in mileage (pardon d lax timing ofcourse) is very2 challengin to be tamed @ HCI... i dont have d time & patience to HCI @ high frequency i afraid. 32M is d furthest i can go but it really means nothing for total stability.  sad.gif
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Samsung started selling a-dies ddr4 32gb today. 10nm class3 (1z 12nm), 16GBit/chip, rated 2933 cl21. Doubt they will be any good for OC but we shall see.

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Samsung started selling a-dies ddr4 32gb today. 10nm, 16GBit/chip, rated 2933 cl21. Doubt they will be any good for OC but we shall see.
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B-die is 2666 CL19, pretty much the same true latency but less bandwidth.

2666 CL19: 2000/2666*19 = 14.25ns
2933 CL21: 2000/2933*21 = 14.32ns

Ya, curious about A-die's OCbility vs B-die.
We gonna wait and see later... biggrin.gif


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Holiday benching with 3600X + C8H that I recently purchased from shopee at a good deal biggrin.gif

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Starting off with CPU OC, so far I've tested 3 types of coolers at 4.2GHz OC @ 1.375v on all cores.
Thermal results based on Prime95 v29.8 b6 custom blend 1344K min/max for 30mins as follows:
Cooler Min (°C) Max (°C)
AMD Wraith Spire 50.0 92.3
Raijintek Orcus 240mm 47.1 79.8
Custom WC 40.5 74.4

Max OC under 1.40v should be 4.25GHz, thermal results under custom WC as below:
CPU Clock Min (°C) Max (°C)
Stock @ 4.1-4.125GHz @ 1.28v 39.6 66.6
4.2GHz @ 1.375v* 40.5 74.4
4.25GHz @ 1.375v 40.3 76.3
* Can still be reduced a bit

Some benchmarks at 4.25GHz OC:

Cinebench R15:
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Hexacore CPU comparisons:
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3600X @ 4.25GHz 1695 199 3866 490
8700K @ 5.00GHz 1650 217 3962 517

4.3GHz is bootable but sometimes CB R20 crashed at 1.425v so I think more juices is required to get it stable.
Will revisit this later and update in this thread...
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Sep 9 2019, 10:03 PM)
B-die is 2666 CL19, pretty much the same true latency but less bandwidth.

2666 CL19: 2000/2666*19 = 14.25ns
2933 CL21: 2000/2933*21 = 14.32ns

Ya, curious about A-die's OCbility vs B-die.
We gonna wait and see later...  biggrin.gif
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the m-dies for that series was kind of underwhelming (however that one was 1Y(15nm) and not 1Z(12nm)

~RM650-700 fo 32GB stick btw.

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Continuing with RAM OC, so far hasn't been so impressive mainly due to high latency issue.
It could be that the latest DRAM Calculator v1.6.2 by 1usmus has decided to set the subtimings too loose that eventually hitting the RAM performance. Maybe need further tweaking to optimize the bandwidths and latency.

RAM OC with SK-Hynix AFR:

3466 16-19-19-40-1T @ 1.41v:
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3533 16-19-19-40-1T @ 1.45v (not stable):
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RAM OC with Samsung B-die:

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3600 14-15-15-30-1T @ 1.45v:
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3800 16-17-16-32-1T @ 1.41v:
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4000 16-17-16-32-1T @ 1.45v:
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4133 16-17-16-32-1T @ 1.45v:
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Again, still need to figure out how to reduce improve the efficiency.
Aim for 3800 CL14 stable but I don't think possible with the current ADATA D80 sticks.
Later I swap to my TridentZ RGB 4266 kit and see how much I can push. notworthy.gif

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@owikh84 many thanks for the efforts bro... tests like these are time & efforts consuming. i hope AMD MY see d efforts here & should there be new model IMHO they should at least send u one unit for a spin. it's not always about marketing bells & whistles (not that it's not important) but efforts like these shouldn't gone unnoticed. thumbsup.gif

very nice timing on the BDie for 3800 & above. glad to see most of d user can do 3800 @ 1:1 while mine max out @ 3733 only. sad.gif

recently acquired a pair of ven pro rgb 3600 (cl18) with BDie but i think it's not gonna hold CL16 @ 4k & above. still in d midst of testing but hopefully i can post something within d week. sweat.gif

btw nice to see memtweak it works on Ryzen 3K, hopefully it's compatible with non ROG/asus boards as well. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Sep 10 2019, 12:43 AM)
Continuing with RAM OC, so far hasn't been so impressive mainly due to high latency issue.
It could be that the latest DRAM Calculator v1.6.2 by 1usmus has decided to set the subtimings too loose that eventually hitting the RAM performance. Maybe need further tweaking to optimize the bandwidths and latency.

RAM OC with SK-Hynix AFR:

3466 16-19-19-40-1T @ 1.41v:
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3533 16-19-19-40-1T @ 1.45v (not stable):
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RAM OC with Samsung B-die:

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3600 14-15-15-30-1T @ 1.45v:
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3800 16-17-16-32-1T @ 1.41v:
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4000 16-17-16-32-1T @ 1.45v:
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4133 16-17-16-32-1T @ 1.45v:
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Again, still need to figure out how to reduce improve the efficiency.
Aim for 3800 CL14 stable but I don't think possible with the current ADATA D80 sticks.
Later I swap to my TridentZ RGB 4266 kit and see how much I can push.  notworthy.gif
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Gj, looking at your latency I am fairly sure your power down mode is enabled.
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Gj, looking at your latency I am fairly sure your power down mode is enabled.
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I need to recheck this later as the GDM and PDM are mixes of enabled and disabled as per recommendation by DRAM Calculator.

Edit: Okay I just rechecked and found that my Power Down Mode has been disabled right from 3466 all the way up to 4133. So, the source of high latency could be from other settings.

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I need to recheck this later as the GDM and PDM are mixes of enabled and disabled as per recommendation by DRAM Calculator.
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Since few versions those recommendations are quite off, power down disabled is hardly a source for instabiliy, whereas the disabled gear down mode from the last version is not really advisable in my opinion for long term stability.

I made the observation with my c7h that despite disabling power down mode it remains active with certain configurations.
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3600X 4.3GHz @ 1.45v, I think I'm pretty much hitting the ceiling already. Yes, note the voltage is exponentially increased. Thermal results based around P95 28.9 b6 custom blend 1344K min/max FFT for 30mins:

CPU Clock Min (°C) Max (°C)
Stock @ 4.1-4.125GHz @ 1.28v 39.6 66.6
4.2GHz @ 1.375v* 40.5 74.4
4.25GHz @ 1.375v 40.3 76.3
4.30GHz @ 1.450v 40.0 82.6

* Can still be reduced a bit

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Cinebench benchmark scores also improved a bit:
CPU CB R15 MT CB R15 ST CB R20 MT CB R20 ST
3600X @ 4.30GHz 1715 201 3893 493
3600X @ 4.25GHz 1695 199 3866 490
8700K @ 5.00GHz 1650 217 3962 517

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Latest AGESA 1.0.0.3 ABBA seems to have fixed my 3600X's boost bug that I had earlier, now I can see one core is boosting up to 4.4GHz as per AMD's original specs. CB R20 runs with everything default:

BIOS 0803:
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BIOS 1001:
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Sep 14 2019, 12:57 AM)
Latest AGESA 1.0.0.3 ABBA seems to have fixed my 3600X's boost bug that I had earlier, now I can see one core is boosting up to 4.4GHz as per AMD's original specs. CB R20 runs with everything default:

BIOS 0803:
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good work! thumbup.gif

My 3700x made similar improvements and is within specification now.
The 3600 I got still doesn't want to reach 4.2 single core.
It comfortably does 4.25 all core with 1.3675V though hmm.gif

Guess there will be more improvements to come as 3900x' didn't seem as positively effected.

The core rating in Ryzen master however is still off.

What you haven't pointed out from your results is that (unfortunately in hwinfo64 the polling period is not visible) voltages under load and hence temperatures dropped for stock settings.
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What you haven't pointed out from your results is that (unfortunately in hwinfo64 the polling period is not visible) voltages under load and hence temperatures dropped for stock settings.
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Voltage is set by ASUS BIOS so nothing to do with AGESA, temperature is stock cooler vs custom loop LOL.

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Voltage is set by ASUS BIOS so nothing to do with AGESA, temperature is stock cooler vs custom loop LOL.
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then the testing method is quite off blink.gif as thermal throttling starts in low to mid 70s already.
and ofc the smu in your new agesa controls voltage blush.gif
why you think its called system management unit?
with its sensory sampling its controlling circuits on the chip. that includes voltage level, voltage supply to psms, thermal management, c-s boost.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Sep 14 2019, 10:58 PM)
then the testing method is quite off  blink.gif  as thermal throttling starts in low to mid 70s already.
and ofc the smu in your new agesa controls voltage  blush.gif
why you think its called system management unit?
with its sensory sampling its controlling circuits on the chip. that includes voltage level, voltage supply to psms, thermal management, c-s boost.
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Good point, but I was referring to the load voltage behavior being controlled by BIOS LLC settings. smile.gif

BTW, I'm still having high memory latency (70ns+) and low bandwidth (50k+ MB/s) seen in AIDA64 benchmark.
Tried everything such as reducing tRFC down to 160ns, PDM/GHM on/off, tRC 42-44, tFAW 16-20, new ABBA BIOS etc none of them seems to solve the issue. sad.gif
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Hi guys , anyone know how to lock 3700x cores speed across all ?

I managed to do it for my 1700 but not this 3700x.

Ps: I know many has been saying no real different with pbo on . But I want to justify my self and I had searched info from the net but no luck.
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Hi guys , anyone know how to lock 3700x cores speed across all ?

I managed to do it for my 1700 but not this 3700x.

Ps: I know many has been saying no real different with pbo on . But I want to justify my self and I had searched info from the net but no luck.
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QUOTE(khiunngiap @ Sep 15 2019, 07:39 PM)
Hi guys , anyone know how to lock 3700x cores speed across all ?

I managed to do it for my 1700 but not this 3700x.

Ps: I know many has been saying no real different with pbo on . But I want to justify my self and I had searched info from the net but no luck.
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I can hit 4.3.however, it doesn't run constantly 4.3 for all cores. It does only depends on usages.
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slowly burnin d ram...  laugh.gif
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Well done on the 2000% HCl. thumbup.gif
How's your AIDA64 benchmark score look like?
Good to see MemTweakIt is working on a none-ASUS board as well.

BTW, did you notice that HWMonitor is giving you vCore up to 2v max?
I'd suggest try to avoid using this software, or it could be that the GIGA boards are still using iTE Super I/O chip, which reads voltages not as accurate as the Nuvoton chip.


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3800 14-16-14-28-1T @ 1.480v

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Sep 21 2019, 09:44 AM)
Well done on the 2000% HCl.  thumbup.gif
How's your AIDA64 benchmark score look like?
Good to see MemTweakIt is working on a none-ASUS board as well.

BTW, did you notice that HWMonitor is giving you vCore up to 2v max?
I'd suggest try to avoid using this software, or it could be that the GIGA boards are still using iTE Super I/O chip, which reads voltages not as accurate as the Nuvoton chip.
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not sure bro but i will give it a run, basically anything above 3733 is thrash, even @ 3733 i think cl16 best is sub 70ns with trfc tightened a lil @ 389. sad.gif

as for monitoring i will try hwinfo64, giga own monitoring sw is so tiny that it's hard to show readings properly on screenshot... yawn.gif

QUOTE(owikh84 @ Sep 22 2019, 11:43 AM)
3800 14-16-14-28-1T @ 1.480v

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very nice clock there bro... i wish i have a chip can do 3800 @ 1:1... icon_question.gif
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3800 14-16-14-28-1T @ 1.480v

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nice primary timings but something is still way wrong there.
both bandwidth and especially timings are way sub par.
Your results should be more like high 56k / 30k / 56k and your latency should be >10ms lower than what you have right there.

wanna take a screenshot of ryzen master listed timings & config?

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Actually true also, 3800c14 should be getting sub-70ns latency..
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Actually true also, 3800c14 should be getting sub-70ns latency..
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My stock non-tweaked 3600c18 is getting 72.2ns

Very plain 18-22-22-42 Micron B-die


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Actually true also, 3800c14 should be getting sub-70ns latency..
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Actually true also, 3800c14 should be getting sub-70ns latency..
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edit, for reference
3600 instead of 3600x
same board
2x 8gb sr b-dies, likewise
same primary timings

this is what you should be looking at, ideally



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edit, for reference
3600 instead of 3600x
same board
2x 8gb sr b-dies, likewise
same primary timings

this is what you should be looking at, ideally
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very nice bw, latency & clock there bro... how u guys can have such high clock is beyond me... jelly...  cry.gif
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tbh, this is not my setup, I just used it as example for @owikh84 as primaries, board and basically cpu were same.

so looking forward for him to share his settings should he wish to figure what the limiting factors both in bandwidth and especially latency are.
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typo on trc in bios resulting it @ 135, apart from sucky bw d latency is actually not bad... tongue.gif

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'quick' set up for friend, 4x8gb sr on a b450 aorus m paired with a 3700x.

have to admit gigabyte did a good job with stability and functionality, they're making progress.
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If I just want to overclock ram to 3200 and run cpu in stock, does vrm configuration really matter? Im building one with crap tier Asus B450 board.
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If I just want to overclock ram to 3200 and run cpu in stock, does vrm configuration really matter? Im building one with crap tier Asus B450 board.
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If I just want to overclock ram to 3200 and run cpu in stock, does vrm configuration really matter? Im building one with crap tier Asus B450 board.
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U can do that even with 1st gen ryzen. I would say its very2 doable on all am4 boards bar 320 chipset based boards, provided d chipset itself (used on d ram) is not too lousy. Mfr, afr, cfr, cjr, samsung c, b, micron b, e should not even sweat to do a 3200. Boards with Lower tier vrm shouls be just fine for 6 cores (auto) without being whipped with high clock n volts. smile.gif

Some suicide run when i still had my buddy's 2700x... tongue.gif

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answer must be no... VRM just for powerful cpu that want more power......
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Alright noted. Thanks.

QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Sep 25 2019, 05:59 PM)
U can do that even with 1st gen ryzen. I would say its very2 doable on all am4 boards bar 320 chipset based boards, provided d chipset itself (used on d ram) is not too lousy. Mfr, afr, cfr, cjr, samsung c, b, micron b, e should not even sweat to do a 3200. Boards with Lower tier vrm shouls be just fine for 6 cores (auto) without being whipped with high clock n volts. smile.gif

Some suicide run when i still had my buddy's 2700x... tongue.gif

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lol that one sick oc. at that point I will worry more about power consumption than anything else.
I made this rig for a rather tech illiterate friend who "just want to play dota", so im going to stick with conservative tuning, lest the rig become unstable and I ended up being unpaid tech support.


Im doing this on R5 2600, with just single module, so yeah 3200mhz should be almost work out of box.
But this board (Prime B450m-K) is very sad one. It doesn't even have vrm heatsink so im not going to put too much trust on this board even for ram oc.

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Alright noted. Thanks.
lol that one sick oc. at that point I will worry more about power consumption than anything else.
I made this rig for a rather tech illiterate friend who "just want to play dota", so im going to stick with conservative tuning, lest the rig become unstable and I ended up being unpaid tech support.
Im doing this on R5 2600, with just single module, so yeah 3200mhz should be almost work out of box.
But this board (Prime B450m-K) is very sad one. It doesn't even have vrm heatsink so im going to put too much trust on this board even for ram oc.
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just suicide kinda bench, meaningless really, like cpu-z validation. laugh.gif

vrm (especially cpu) has nothing to do with ram mileage i supposed. imo, how well asus implement the agesa will determine how far is d mileage on ram. i could be wrong thou. smile.gif
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with HCI still runnin, & not on 1:1, it is possible guys...  smile.gif
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Bingo, not being able to do FCLK 1900 at DDR4-3800 with my 3600X chip has seriously killed my latency and bandwidths. There's a 10ns penalty for 3800/FCLK 1866. At 3733/1866 (1:1) I could get sub 70ns and better bw.

I also came across an article from an ex-ROG staff doing comparisons of memory performance on 3600X/1xCCD vs 3900X/2xCCD: https://elmorlabs.com/index.php/2019-07-10/...0-investigated/

We can see significant differences in terms of mem bandwidths with 3900X over 3600X.
It is also suspected that dual-rank and 4x8GB DIMMs are capable of delivering higher bw.





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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Sep 28 2019, 10:06 AM)
Bingo, not being able to do FCLK 1900 at DDR4-3800 with my 3600X chip has seriously killed my latency and bandwidths. There's a 10ns penalty for 3800/FCLK 1866. At 3733/1866 (1:1) I could get sub 70ns and better bw.

I also came across an article from an ex-ROG staff doing comparisons of memory performance on 3600X/1xCCD vs 3900X/2xCCD: https://elmorlabs.com/index.php/2019-07-10/...0-investigated/

We can see significant differences in terms of mem bandwidths with 3900X over 3600X.
It is also suspected that dual-rank and 4x8GB DIMMs are capable of delivering higher bw.
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you can't boot or can't get stable with 1900 if? tried adjusting vddg/soc?
u'd kind of expect a better i/o die in an 3600x
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you can't boot or can't get stable with 1900 if? tried adjusting vddg/soc?
u'd kind of expect a better i/o die in an 3600x
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Cant post at all, stuck at debug code 07 displayed on mobo.
I've tried playing around with VDDG up to 1.1v, SOC up to 1.15v but none of them seems to be helpful.
I also tried BCLK 102 with FCLK 1866, getting the same error code.

My BIOS settings as follow:
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Sep 28 2019, 11:31 AM)
Cant post at all, stuck at debug code 07 displayed on mobo.
I've tried playing around with VDDG up to 1.1v, SOC up to 1.15v but none of them seems to be helpful.
I also tried BCLK 102 with FCLK 1866, getting the same error code.

My BIOS settings as follow:
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Ok 1.1 vddg pretty high already, no luck with your IF then.
Is your bw really going up when you run 3733 synced? I used to think theres just a latency penalty.

Btw, you might be able to drop vsoc. That one can be tested with stress cache only im aida64 quite easily/quickly.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Sep 28 2019, 11:52 AM)
Ok 1.1 vddg pretty high already, no luck with your IF then.
Is your bw really going up when you run 3733 synced? I used to think theres just a latency penalty.
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ya I think 1.1v is quite high already, I even tried 1.2v SOC just now.
Not really want to go higher otherwise I will kill the IMC, I think I'm just one of those unlucky ones with FCLK capped at 1866.

3733 14-16-14-28, FCLK 1866:
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ya I think 1.1v is quite high already, I even tried 1.2v SOC just now.
Not really want to go higher otherwise I will kill the IMC, I think I'm just one of those unlucky ones with FCLK capped at 1866.

3733 14-16-14-28, FCLK 1866:
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thanks! quite a surprise.
yes, 1.15 with soc is my personal limit already, but so far all my settings run stable below 1.1.
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finally had some time to finalize my ram oc biggrin.gif

First system: 3900x with 4x16GB E-Dies
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Tried some ccd/ccx oc with the 3900x but eventually reverted to default with some bios tweaks only (for gaming and this membench its running 128w,85a,130a (ppt,tdc,edc) e.g. as that one doesn't really cause fps drops.) pretty much same for the 3700x just that that ones running on the default 65w settings.


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Hi Guys, curious if anyone managed to overclock tighter timings on the F4-3600C18D-16GTZN? Definitely not B-die though sad.gif

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QUOTE(TerryZeroX @ Oct 10 2019, 07:51 PM)
Hi Guys, curious if anyone managed to overclock tighter timings on the  F4-3600C18D-16GTZN? Definitely not B-die though sad.gif

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Is your kit Micron B-die? Thats what I have on the Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3600c18-22-22-42.
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QUOTE(raydenex @ Oct 10 2019, 10:54 PM)
Is your kit Micron B-die? Thats what I have on the Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3600c18-22-22-42.
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QUOTE(TerryZeroX @ Oct 10 2019, 07:51 PM)
Hi Guys, curious if anyone managed to overclock tighter timings on the  F4-3600C18D-16GTZN? Definitely not B-die though sad.gif

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most likely cjr/cfr. if cjr can try 16-19-19/16-20-20. 1.35-1.4v? smile.gif

micron b on ven pro 2666 (ver 3.31) was pretty hopeless on tight timing, did 3600 @ 18 22 22 1.35v. not much headroom (above 3600) too from d way i see it... sweat.gif

btw, u can run thaiphoon burner to vrify d exact chips used on those trident z neo sticks if you have not know. thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Oct 11 2019, 08:57 AM)
most likely cjr/cfr. if cjr can try 16-19-19/16-20-20. 1.35-1.4v?  smile.gif

micron b on ven pro 2666 (ver 3.31) was pretty hopeless on tight timing, did 3600 @ 18 22 22 1.35v. not much headroom (above 3600) too from d way i see it...   sweat.gif

btw, u can run thaiphoon burner to vrify d exact chips used on those trident z neo sticks if you have not know.  thumbsup.gif
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is it me who is slow or amd lifted d 2666 ram frequency cap on athlon 200GE?

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is it me who is slow or amd lifted d 2666 ram frequency cap on athlon 200GE?

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😂 not really into these APUs but I remember that starting with AGESA 1006 most board manufacturers enabled OC and even allowed pci lane unlocking.
So ya, you're either one year late or you just updated the boards bios to a version including an AGESA that enabled it. Or maybe you just changed boards.

So ya, go for 4Ghz and 3200 👍

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Neo 3800 CL14-16-16-36 @ 1.50V kit turns out to be a Samsung D-die, not B-die as I thought earlier biggrin.gif
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Not Samsung B-die like I though it would be, several media outlets also reported it as such, but the 3800CL14 kit is D-die. After some research, turns out B-die has been end-of-life'd, and most RAM manufacturers are reserving the B-die chips for the highest end kits(such as DDR4000 or quad channel kits). A bit of a bummer, but these D-die chips are doing very well, so I cant really be that upset.
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non HT chip seemed to be doin pretty ok on hp 32m... 1st time to rch < 10mins on AMD... tongue.gif

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non HT chip seemed to be doin pretty ok on hp 32m... 1st time to rch < 10mins on AMD...  tongue.gif
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HT off is faster on HyperPi, not sure bug or what smile.gif
BTW isn't that 3500X only available in China?
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same scenario for r3 1300x which did 10 mins+ when was on ab350m too bro hence d assumption. smile.gif

some sellers in SG managed to bring it in bro, that's why managed to get my hands on it. not alot cheaper than 3600 but suitable for those really on tight budget... sweat.gif


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same scenario for r3 1300x which did 10 mins+ when was on ab350m too bro hence d assumption.  smile.gif

some sellers in SG managed to bring it in bro, that's why managed to get my hands on it. not alot cheaper than 3600 but suitable for those really on tight budget...  sweat.gif
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Ya 3500X is a good choice for budget users.
However, gaming nowadays needs HT otherwise frame rates especially min fps will suffer.

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Oct 11 2019, 08:57 AM)
most likely cjr/cfr. if cjr can try 16-19-19/16-20-20. 1.35-1.4v?  smile.gif

micron b on ven pro 2666 (ver 3.31) was pretty hopeless on tight timing, did 3600 @ 18 22 22 1.35v. not much headroom (above 3600) too from d way i see it...  sweat.gif

btw, u can run thaiphoon burner to vrify d exact chips used on those trident z neo sticks if you have not know.  thumbsup.gif
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Sorry for bringing up an older topic, but I've been looking for cheaper 3200Mhz 16GB ram which would work (PnP) with Ryzen 3600 + Asrock B450 Steel Legend.

So far, some comments on Shopee were showing Micro D-die (Corsair LPX CMK16GX4M2Z3200C16 v3.33) works PnP, while I found a v3.31 (Micron B-die).

I've been looking for Micron because it's cheaper, but also thanks to this forum: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/...en-3000.259495/

Can I safely say that: Micron Dies is unable set tighter timings (only loose timings), but would provide close latency with Samsung B-dies which is set at tighter timings?
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Micron e is capable of high frequency (especially highly binned) minus d tight timing of samsung. Micron b die is abit hopeless.

Cheap micron e is capable of 3800 +/- 200mhz with rather ok timing

Ven pro ver 3.31 (micron b) max out at 3600 cl18.
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Micron e is capable of high frequency (especially highly binned) minus d tight timing of samsung. Micron b die is abit hopeless.

Cheap micron e is capable of 3800 +/- 200mhz with rather ok timing

Ven pro ver 3.31 (micron b) max out at 3600 cl18.
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Micron E-Die (C9BJZ Chip) on my Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 + Ryzen 1700 4x8GB 3600Mhz shocking.gif
Just Follow Setting, This is Crazy Easy
P/S : This is buy from China, Not Sure This Selling in Malaysia or not

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QUOTE(chong83 @ Feb 19 2020, 02:09 AM)
Micron E-Die (C9BJZ Chip) on my Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 + Ryzen 1700 4x8GB 3600Mhz  shocking.gif
Just Follow Setting, This is Crazy Easy
P/S : This is buy from China, Not Sure This Selling in Malaysia or not

But The Ram Sticker Write Made in Malaysia  rclxub.gif

============ Crazy Record (Not Mine) ============
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Crucial = Micron, there's a Micron Memory factory located near my workplace here in Penang mainland. Their SSD factory is located at Batu Kawan, which is also not far from there.

Not bad for 4 sticks to run at 3600 on old gen, in your case 1700 and X370. Very nice. Did you run any stress test to confirm stability?

The Crazy Record appears to have one error there so not really stable. From what I heard Micron E has better thermal tolerance compared to Samsung B-die. The latter prefers cooler condition not more than 42C to achieve OC stability. Only downside on Micron E is that tRCD cannot be tightened as much as B-die.
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QUOTE(chong83 @ Feb 19 2020, 02:09 AM)
Micron E-Die (C9BJZ Chip) on my Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 + Ryzen 1700 4x8GB 3600Mhz  shocking.gif
Just Follow Setting, This is Crazy Easy
P/S : This is buy from China, Not Sure This Selling in Malaysia or not

But The Ram Sticker Write Made in Malaysia  rclxub.gif
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Yep, E-Dies are kind of the go to if you don't want to spend on B-Dies.
They are not selling in Malaysia, maybe their updated model will be .... however that one got quite a price hike.

I have (had) 6 E-Die kits of which all were made in Muar.

The values in the DRAM calc are not really good for those E-Dies btw.
Would be surprised if your 3600 setting is stable first shot.

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MCO Day3 benching with 3700X and Micron-E (D9VPP).
Using 1usmus' DRAM Calculator 3800 Fast profile for primaries and Safe profile for subtimings.
Full Fast profile thrown me an HCl error at 100-150%, that's why Safe profile being used for the subs.
I know it's not efficient but I'm definitely working on it. tongue.gif

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Update: Today MCO Day4, I managed to tighten the subtimings a bit. tWTRS=5, tWR=18, both SCL=5 are pretty much hitting the wall. So far 1.45v is compulsory otherwise HCl will throw an error as soon as 150%.
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Update 2: tWRWRSD & tWRWRDD reduced from 7 to 6, resulting in higher read bw 55k.
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Update 3: Increasing the ClkDrvStren to 120 has allowed me to reduce primary timings to 16-19-14-14-34, as well as both SCL and tRDRD down to 4, but a slight voltage bump of 1.46v is required. AIDA64 scores are now improved a bit.
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Update 4: GDM off is free of error as well. laugh.gif
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good E-Die kit, nicely done.

looking at it I'd have the following suggestions.
drop tCWL to cas-1 or 2 (14 or 15)

others worth trying
tWTRS 4
tWTRL 6
tRRDL 4
tRCDWR 9
tWRWRDD 5
tRDRDDD 3

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QUOTE(nrw @ Mar 27 2020, 05:23 PM)
good E-Die kit, nicely done.

looking at it I'd have the following suggestions.
drop tCWL to cas-1 or 2 (14 or 15)

others worth trying
tWTRS 4
tWTRL 6
tRRDL 4
tRCDWR 9
tWRWRDD 5
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Thanks for the tips bro. wub.gif
The bold part already tried earlier, not possible at 1.45-1.46v.
Maybe need to pump more juices to cross the HCl 150%. hmm.gif
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Thanks for the tips bro. wub.gif
The bold part already tried earlier, not possible at 1.45-1.46v.
Maybe need to pump more juices to cross the HCl 150%. hmm.gif
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usually not scaling that much with voltage. doubt it.
anyways getting this stable with gdm off (especially in just a few days) is quite an achievement already!

never managed to get that stable myself ... and didn't really want to put so many more days into it.
oh well. 0.3-0.5ns latency 'only' laugh.gif

quite amazed to not see CADs 24-24-24-24 btw.
have never thought of trying anything close to 120 myself.
maybe I'll give that a try during the next few days.
testing with 2x16 DR is a bit more time consuming than your SR kit sweat.gif



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Quick test 3800 CL16 @ 1.35v.
Manual primaries, subtimings auto, manual terminal block 34.3, off, off, RZQ/5 (<= auto will give error at HCl 120%).
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XMP @ 4000 CL18-19-19-39-1T @ 1.35v
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My 3700X at stock clocks auto voltage registers at ~74C Tdie even under high-end custom loop. This is just a single loop of CB R20 test, let alone long-term stability tests such as p95, AIDA64, OCCT etc. Let's see how it goes with manual voltage later. I need that der8auer custom bracket badly.

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Can't imagine how did others get with AIO or even air cooling. shocking.gif

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Moving to my regular B-die now, it was a 5-minute job because I just reused most of the settings from my previous run with 3600X. Now 1:1 is possible with this new 3700X.

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owikh84 | ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero-WiFi | G.Skill TridentZ RGB DDR4-4266 CL19 (Samsung B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3800 CL14-16-14-28-1T @ 1.48V | vSOC @ 1.100v
1.48v OK for long usage? I usually max at 1.4

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1.48v OK for long usage? I usually max at 1.4
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Not really sure but I believe up to 1.50v should be fine, provided it's properly cooled with fan/water block.
So far there are two kits rated at 1.50v XMP:

https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/32...N-Specification

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Pr...16GX4M2Z5000C18
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CL14-15-14-28-1T is also possible at the same voltage biggrin.gif

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Will continue tightening the subs hmm.gif

Update 2/4/20: Tried the other B-dies including my older TridentZ RGB 4266C19, D80 3600C17, NightHawk 3600C18, none of them is able to achieve stability using the above settings. Can't even stable at 14-16-16 at 1.50v. sweat.gif

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Guess I'll share my set ups too then.

1) X370 C6H | 4x8GB Kingston 4000C19 Kits | 3666 14-15-14-28-1T | 1.45V (downgraded 3733 setting due to IMC)

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2) X470 C7H | 2x16GB Micron Ballistix Sport LT 3000C15 Kit | 3800 16-19-16-38-1T | 1.44V

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At last I managed to preserve the latency. sweat.gif

Actually it is a pity that so few ppl in here seem to be into RAM OC. Especially for Ryzen it is def. worth it.
Even more of a pity that those E-Dies are not for sale locally.

Btw @owikh84, are you doing reviews on websites or youtube? notworthy.gif

Edit: E-Die configuration added.

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Guess I'll share my set ups too then.

1) X370 C6H | 4x8GB Kingston 4000C19 Kits | 3666 14-15-14-28-1T | 1.45V (downgraded 3733 setting due to IMC)

2) X470 C7H | 2x16GB Micron Ballistix Sport LT 3000C15 Kit | 3800 16-19-16-38-1T | 1.44V
At last I managed to preserve the latency. sweat.gif

Actually it is a pity that so few ppl in here seem to be into RAM OC. Especially for Ryzen it is def. worth it.
Even more of a pity that those E-Dies are not for sale locally.

Btw @owikh84, are you doing reviews on websites or youtube?  notworthy.gif

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Well done bro.
At least your copy speed is always above mine, in which I don't know why haha.

I believe there are still some other locals who are into RAM OC just that LYN is not a medium of sharing their OC results. Hey this morning I met one local OC enthusiast in shopee, who has already delidded his 3800X chip, benching quite a number of B-die, E-die RAMs and resell them.

I used to write reviews for OCDrift.com website and most recently in LYN review section, no youtube though. It was fun but now no more due to time constraint. Btw, don't bother reading as those are noob reviews. puke.gif
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Apr 2 2020, 05:51 PM)
Well done bro.
At least your copy speed is always above mine, in which I don't know why haha.

I believe there are still some other locals who are into RAM OC just that LYN is not a medium of sharing their OC results. Hey this morning I met one local OC enthusiast in shopee, who has already delidded his 3800X chip, benching quite a number of B-die, E-die RAMs and resell them.

I used to write reviews for OCDrift.com website and most recently in LYN review section, no youtube though. It was fun but now no more due to time constraint. Btw, don't bother reading as those are noob reviews. puke.gif
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Copy speed cuz of DR vs SR. You just can't change that.

Oh I see.
Too bad those guys don't write here. Could easily influence others to start with a bit of it as well.
And delidding AM4, wow. Too bad there's no direct is easily feasible cuz of the higher socket.


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Copy speed cuz of DR vs SR. You just can't change that.
Oh I see.
Too bad those guys don't write here. Could easily influence others to start with a bit of it as well.
And delidding AM4, wow. Too bad there's no direct is easily feasible cuz of the higher socket.
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Ahh my bad, I swear I didn't notice that your E-die is DR haha.. mah eyes sweat.gif

or better don't delid it cos not worth the effort and time.
Definitely need to try that der8auer offset bracket, which he claims to offer 5-10c improvement on the temps.
Too bad Caseking doesn't ship to Malaysia.

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Ahh my bad, I swear I didn't notice that your E-die is DR haha.. mah eyes sweat.gif

or better don't delid it cos not worth the effort and time.
Definitely need to try that der8auer offset bracket, which he claims to offer 5-10c improvement on the temps.
Too bad Caseking doesn't ship to Malaysia.
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OC bracket biggrin.gif ... if you are so keen I can help you to get you one of these. Will just take some time.

But frankly speaking, I think with a good waterblock it is 1-3°K at most. For consistent loads less.
There have been a few good reviewers and manufacturers (Igor (Igorslab), Noctua, Aquacomputer.de) doing research on this already.
Their conclusion was all the same... it is simply not worth it.

Edit: Aquacomputer.de stated with this technique you can achieve an improvement of 1.3-1.5°K per 100W TDP.
I added a photo of their new mounting. These are numbers I would trust. Their products and testing are superb.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Apr 2 2020, 07:37 PM)
OC bracket  biggrin.gif ... if you are so keen I can help you to get you one of these. Will just take some time.

But frankly speaking, I think with a good waterblock it is 1-3°K at most. For consistent loads less.
There have been a few good reviewers and manufacturers (Igor (Igorslab), Noctua, Aquacomputer.de) doing research on this already.
Their conclusion was all the same... it is simply not worth it. 

Edit: Aquacomputer.de stated with this technique you can achieve an improvement of 1.3-1.5°K per 100W TDP.
I added a photo of their new mounting. These are numbers I would trust. Their products and testing are superb.
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I think as long as micro-fins of our waterblock cover the whole chiplets we should be fine. thumbsup.gif
On the other hand, I need to spend time dedusting the rads, it's been a while.. haha

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I think as long as micro-fins of our waterblock cover the whole chiplets we should be fine.  thumbsup.gif
On the other hand, I need to spend time dedusting the rads, it's been a while.. haha
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Ya, the better quality the fins and the greater the area cooled on the heatspreader the lesser any potential benefit from these mods.
I doubt those brackets would be much use to you, or me. And what are 1.3-1.5°K anyways, nothing.
I run Zen2 mostly on stock with some minor bios modifications such as enabling cppc. I do not even bother to turn PBO on as it's just a waste of power.

Maybe for some AIO's it will be beneficial, maybe those with small round contact area on the heat spreader.

But before I'd spend 30 Euros (+postage) to upgrade my shitty AIO with these brackets, I'd much rather use exactly this money to buy a better AIO to start with.
Benefits will be far greater.

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Continue benching with B-die tongue.gif
As mentioned earlier, my older TridentZ RGB 4266C19 is weaker than the newer kit.
Only able to settle at 3800 CL16 instead of C14.

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Mixing strong and weaker sticks, my copy speed is now 55k after messing around with some settings...

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Weekend benching with Hynix AFR... Took me quite a while to figure out that tRC=65 and tRFC=530 are minimum values that I could set, otherwise system will auto reboot in less than 10 minutes.

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As a comparison, here's AIDA64 score at stock RAM speed of DDR4-3200 CL16-18-18-38-1T @ 1.35v:
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BIOS auto set without manual tweaking, AIDA64 lower read, higher copy, higher latency due to some loosen auto subs.

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Taking a break from RAM OC, now let's talk about CPU OC biggrin.gif

PBO auto: - CB R20: 4674 cb
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PBO auto, vCore offset -0.125v: - CB R20: 4816 cb
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PBO manual, 200MHz OC, PPT 395w, TDC/EDC 255a: - CB R20: 4840 cb
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Manual OC 4.2GHz @ 1.200v - CB R20: 5042 cb
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Manual OC 4.25GHz @ 1.232v - CB R20: 5101 cb
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Manual OC 4.3GHz @ 1.25v - PC auto reboot with CPU overtemp error bangwall.gif

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Manual OC 4.3GHz @ 1.275v - Finally able to complete CB R20 with XMP off (auto RAM) laugh.gif
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Need at least 4.4GHz to match my stock 9900KS: - CB R20: 5277 cb
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1080p Gaming Performance of Max OCed Samsung B-die vs Micron E-die vs Hynix AFR

Overall no significant difference but in terms of total fps B-die > AFR > E-die. smile.gif

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Did a quick run on my 3600. After seeing several benchmark results, probably gonna try to lower down the voltages and see if it's stable.

Update: After dropping it to 1.28v, achieved higher score.

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Finally able to do 4.3 without overtemp protection error.
I reduced the vDIMM down to 1.3v, vSOC 0.975v, VDDG 0.9v, VDDP 0.7v.
CPU phase control set to default instead of extreme.
Put case fans above DIMM slot and VRM, as well as a small fan under the CPU socket.

3700X 4.3GHz all core @ 1.275v
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Did a quick run on my 3600. After seeing several benchmark results, probably gonna try to lower down the voltages and see if it's stable.

Update: After dropping it to 1.28v, achieved higher score.
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Fixed voltage is not a good idea actually.
Rather work with offsets.
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Good news for B-die lovers, ADATA 3600C14 @ 1.45v is coming to our local market soon.



For record top binned B-die was G.Skill Neo 3600 CL14 @ 1.40v, even better than 3800 CL14 @ 1.50v kit.
However, this kit is now EOL and replaced by 1.45v model.

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Good news for B-die lovers, ADATA 3600C14 @ 1.45v is coming to our local market soon.
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Now available on Shopee for RM1,049 biggrin.gif
1 set left only, very limited indeed.

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QUOTE(CAL V @ May 3 2020, 02:39 PM)
Now available on Shopee for RM1,049  biggrin.gif
1 set left only, very limited indeed.
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Nice! Almost the same price as TridentZ Neo F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB ~ RM9xx-1k+.

Not sure if local distro (BuildTech) is going to bring in Team's T-Force Xtreem ARGB or not but just realized that our friends at Pokde.net has tested the kit two months ago. Currently in local stores you can only find the 3200 CL16 models. doh.gif
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QUOTE(XiuKeong @ Apr 26 2020, 06:14 PM)
Did a quick run on my 3600. After seeing several benchmark results, probably gonna try to lower down the voltages and see if it's stable.

Update: After dropping it to 1.28v, achieved higher score.
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what are your PPT, TDC, and EDC values while running at this?

i'm a 3600 user as well. can't even go all core clock 4Ghz stable. sighhhhh
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QUOTE(red-queen @ May 17 2020, 01:08 AM)
what are your PPT, TDC, and EDC values while running at this?

i'm a 3600 user as well. can't even go all core clock 4Ghz stable. sighhhhh
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Here you go.
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looks like you hit the silicon lottery!

best results for me is PBO + Auto OC200mhz with offset -0.1 voltage
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QUOTE(red-queen @ May 17 2020, 03:01 AM)
looks like you hit the silicon lottery!

best results for me is PBO + Auto OC200mhz with offset -0.1 voltage
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But then from what I researched before getting this chip, the initial batches of 3600 are not overclockable standards.
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anyone try pushing their Infinity Fabric Clock? max i was able to push to stable is 1867mhz. Memory running 1800mhz.
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anyone try pushing their Infinity Fabric Clock? max i was able to push to stable is 1867mhz. Memory running 1800mhz.
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My 3600X was a dud, FCLK at 1867 only no matter how much voltage I have put.
My 3700X is a totally different chip, supporting up to FCLK 1900 easy.
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anyone try pushing their Infinity Fabric Clock? max i was able to push to stable is 1867mhz. Memory running 1800mhz.
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Keep it synced. Max so far is 1900. The Apus next month will be able to do at least 2000.
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Manage to go 1867mhz for both infinity fabric and memory. Can't go 1900mhz. Both cpu and ram not stable at 1900mhz.

Anyways memclk and fclk is thr only overclock i did. Pbo disabled and voltage left back at auto.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ May 19 2020, 09:57 PM)
My 3600X was a dud, FCLK at 1867 only no matter how much voltage I have put.
My 3700X is a totally different chip, supporting up to FCLK 1900 easy.
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my 3600 is like the worst binned ever. fclk cannot go above 1867, all core clock can't go higher than 4.0Ghz.

anyways, just to share some findings over the weekend. using offset -voltage without pbo, you will lose performance for single core or non multithread applications.
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QUOTE(XiuKeong @ Apr 26 2020, 06:14 PM)
Did a quick run on my 3600. After seeing several benchmark results, probably gonna try to lower down the voltages and see if it's stable.

Update: After dropping it to 1.28v, achieved higher score.
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try to do a single cpu cinebench test. i suspect you will have lower results at lower voltage.
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QUOTE(red-queen @ May 20 2020, 02:35 AM)
try to do a single cpu cinebench test. i suspect you will have lower results at lower voltage.
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Not sure what's the highest I can go but you can see my past 2 benchmarks in cinebench.

Possible the 492 score is when I set it at 1.25v

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tried my best, but couldn't push above 4.1Ghz. tried 4.125Ghz and cinebench failed and i didn't want to go above 1.375v.

i could remain at 1.35v stable for 4.1Ghz but i was losing fps in game.

sighhhh, probably a really bad binned proc. at stock i could never see single core clock boost to 4.2ghz at all, not even once. probably can send in for warranty claim?
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tried my best, but couldn't push above 4.1Ghz. tried 4.125Ghz and cinebench failed and i didn't want to go above 1.375v.

i could remain at 1.35v stable for 4.1Ghz but i was losing fps in game.

sighhhh, probably a really bad binned proc. at stock i could never see single core clock boost to 4.2ghz at all, not even once. probably can send in for warranty claim?
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yeah quite a bad one but that's the lottery ... doubt you cou get a successful warranty claim on it.
just run it stock and wait for zen3 wink.gif
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QUOTE(nrw @ May 21 2020, 04:17 PM)
yeah quite a bad one but that's the lottery ... doubt you cou get a successful warranty claim on it.
just run it stock and wait for zen3 wink.gif
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Running all core clock 4.1ghz now. At least getting better multicore performance and manage to maintain single core performance.

Only thing is my ppt is around 90 to 91 which exceeds the stock 88w. But this is only on like full load benchmarks etc. Doubt i will ever hit it during normal usage.


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had some fun with d lowest end of Ryzen 3 family... decent chip w/o burning holes in d wallet... laugh.gif

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had some fun with d lowest end of Ryzen 3 family... decent chip w/o burning holes in d wallet...  laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ May 22 2020, 04:30 PM)
had some fun with d lowest end of Ryzen 3 family... decent chip w/o burning holes in d wallet...  laugh.gif

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Hi all sifu,
I'm using 3950x + x570 asus formula. May i know how can i set the bios to get maximum performance ? mainly gaming. Watercooling setup.
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Hi all sifu,
I'm using 3950x + x570 asus formula. May i know how can i set the bios to get maximum performance ? mainly gaming. Watercooling setup.
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Easiest OC guide:

1) Enable XMP (D.O.C.P Standard):
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2) vCore set to offset -0.1v:
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3) Enable PBO, override OC 100-200MHz (depending on your chip strength):
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4) Disable C-state:
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5) Run CB R20 benchmark.
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4) Disable C-state:
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Zen2 you can let the cores go to sleep, hardly any performance loss.
And ooc. you never disabled EEC? For my C6H Auto was Enabled, can cause issues at boot.

Oh @crazyfatt, try other voltage offsets (-0.025V till -0.15V) and compare performance/temp.

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Dont forget to test out single core benchmark and also testing your actual gaming performance.

My personal experience of having negative offset voltage decreased my single core performance but increased multicore benchmark results.

In the end i just run everything stock as im using it mainly for gaming and browsing.
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https://www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/c...aelter.1911429/

This is a very good read on overclocking for ryzen.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ May 27 2020, 07:09 AM)
Easiest OC guide:

1) Enable XMP (D.O.C.P Standard):
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2) vCore set to offset -0.1v:
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3) Enable PBO, override OC 100-200MHz (depending on your chip strength):
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4) Disable C-state:
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5) Run CB R20 benchmark.
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QUOTE(red-queen @ May 27 2020, 12:00 PM)
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/c...aelter.1911429/

This is a very good read on overclocking for ryzen.
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i just ordered trident Z neo 3600mhz. c16-16-16-35. is this ram good ? i open some program in windows and the minimize is like slow motion. wondering what is happening ...
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i just ordered trident Z neo 3600mhz. c16-16-16-35. is this ram good ? i open some program in windows and the minimize is like slow motion. wondering what is happening ...
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these are quite good rams.

but there's an even better one from XPG D60G 3600mhz CL14. expensive though, iirc RM800-RM900 for a set of 2 x 8GB.

if you can push both your infinity fabric and memory to 3800mhz you will see very good gains on performance.
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these are quite good rams.

but there's an even better one from XPG D60G 3600mhz CL14. expensive though, iirc RM800-RM900 for a set of 2 x 8GB.

if you can push both your infinity fabric and memory to 3800mhz you will see very good gains on performance.
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QUOTE(nrw @ May 27 2020, 10:06 AM)
Zen2 you can let the cores go to sleep, hardly any performance loss.
And ooc. you never disabled EEC? For my C6H Auto was Enabled, can cause issues at boot.

Oh @crazyfatt, try other voltage offsets (-0.025V till -0.15V) and compare performance/temp.
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sifu, how to disable core go sleep ? i’m new to AMD. Not really know all the name and where in Bios. Wish can get pointed it in asus bios...
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pbo on
override 200
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global c-state disable

Is this result not good ?
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Is this result not good ?
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Is this result not good ?
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Single core is pretty low.
MC also not more than stock with a stock 3950x (always around 9150-9250)

Try to test with this:
- PBO Off
- No VCore Offset
Then check my power plan thread and change the bios settings from the spoiler there.

Then test once with your stock power plan and once with the one I was sharing and let us know results here



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sifu, how to disable core go sleep ? i’m new to AMD. Not really know all the name and where in Bios. Wish can get pointed it in asus bios...
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What owikh84 posted under 5) "Disable C-state:"
Disabling this would prevent cores from going to sleep but I do not think this is necessary.
(You already disabled it) enable it as per above.

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Single core is pretty low.
MC also not more than stock with a stock 3950x (always around 9150-9250)

Try to test with this:
- PBO Off
- No VCore Offset
Then check my power plan thread and change the bios settings from the spoiler there.

Then test once with your stock power plan and once with the one I was sharing and let us know results here
What owikh84 posted under 5) "Disable C-state:"
Disabling this would prevent cores from going to sleep but I do not think this is necessary.
(You already disabled it) enable it as per above.
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i dun know whr to set those power plan setting is asus bios bangwall.gif
i'll do a quick test with stock and no set on the power plan now.
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QUOTE(nrw @ May 27 2020, 10:37 PM)
Single core is pretty low.
MC also not more than stock with a stock 3950x (always around 9150-9250)

Try to test with this:
- PBO Off
- No VCore Offset
Then check my power plan thread and change the bios settings from the spoiler there.

Then test once with your stock power plan and once with the one I was sharing and let us know results here
What owikh84 posted under 5) "Disable C-state:"
Disabling this would prevent cores from going to sleep but I do not think this is necessary.
(You already disabled it) enable it as per above.
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I found out the single core can boost higher but the multi core still low. bangwall.gif
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i dun know whr to set those power plan setting is asus bios  bangwall.gif
i'll do a quick test with stock and no set on the power plan now.
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Advanced AMD CBS and sub menus probably
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I found out the single core can boost higher but the multi core still low.  bangwall.gif
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Same like mine. Whenever you do voltage negative offset. Single core performance takes a hit. But in multicore u get higher scores cause of the lower temps.

So you gotta ask yourself. What are you mainly using your pc for? Which are you willing to sacrifice?
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QUOTE(red-queen @ May 27 2020, 11:36 PM)
Same like mine. Whenever you do voltage negative offset. Single core performance takes a hit. But in multicore u get higher scores cause of the lower temps.

So you gotta ask yourself. What are you mainly using your pc for? Which are you willing to sacrifice?
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"The last dance" with Zen2 at RAM OC as I've got a 'new' 2x8GB Micron E-Die Kit.

3800Mhz | DRAM 1.40V | VSoC 1.05V | VDDG 0.975V | ProcODT 32Ω | RTT's 0-0-5

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QUOTE(nrw @ May 28 2020, 12:19 AM)
"The last dance" with Zen2 at RAM OC as I've got a 'new' 2x8GB Micron E-Die Kit.

3800Mhz | DRAM 1.40V | VSoC 1.05V | VDDG 0.975V | ProcODT 32Ω | RTT's 0-0-5

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How do you get such good timings for a cl18 ram. Please guide sensei!!

Mines a g.skill 3600mhz 18-22-22-22-42 samsung bdie ram.
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QUOTE(red-queen @ May 29 2020, 09:57 AM)
How do you get such good timings for a cl18 ram. Please guide sensei!!

Mines a g.skill 3600mhz 18-22-22-22-42 samsung bdie ram.
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Micron E-Die quite easy to OC because there is not much variance between kits. (Unlike B-Dies)
You've done it once and you kinda know which values to tweak and try.

For B-Dies the Ryzen DRAM Calculator is quite good. Just save your RAM's profile with Thaiphoon Burner, import to the Calc n try the values it spits out.

Even for an average bin you should be able to get cl16 at 3600MHz. If above average cl14 also no issue.
If I was you I'd go for 3733 or 3800 C16 whichever your CPU supports for the FCLK (Infinity Fabric).
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QUOTE(nrw @ May 29 2020, 11:26 AM)
Micron E-Die quite easy to OC because there is not much variance between kits. (Unlike B-Dies)
You've done it once and you kinda know which values to tweak and try.

For B-Dies the Ryzen DRAM Calculator is quite good. Just save your RAM's profile with Thaiphoon Burner, import to the Calc n try the values it spits out.

Even for an average bin you should be able to get cl16 at 3600MHz. If above average cl14 also no issue.
If I was you I'd go for 3733 or 3800 C16 whichever your CPU supports for the FCLK (Infinity Fabric).
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i tried using Ryzen DRAM Calculator. even at the safe settings it failed.

for 3600MHz, the best i could do was 18-20-20-20-40. for 3733MHz, 18-22-22-22-42.

i guess mine is the worst of the worst bin B-Die. FML, proc also shit bin, ram also shit bin bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(red-queen @ May 29 2020, 03:28 PM)
i tried using Ryzen DRAM Calculator. even at the safe settings it failed.

for 3600MHz, the best i could do was 18-20-20-20-40. for 3733MHz, 18-22-22-22-42.

i guess mine is the worst of the worst bin B-Die. FML, proc also shit bin, ram also shit bin  bangwall.gif
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Better luck next time then.
What board are you using? And do you just adjust primaries?
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QUOTE(nrw @ May 29 2020, 03:45 PM)
Better luck next time then.
What board are you using? And do you just adjust primaries?
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im using MSI B450 Tomahawk Max. i tried primaries, i tried the whole 9 yards including VSOC VDDG, ProcODT etc etc. all fail.

the silicon gods have not been on my side this round.
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found a new way for overclocking.

set your PBO to manual. set PPT and TDC to 0/auto. set EDC to 1. then set your override max boost to 200Mhz for a start. voltage at auto.

must disable cstate and CnQ though. give it a try.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-amd-gene...urbo-boost.html
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 5 2020, 01:16 AM)
found a new way for overclocking.

set your PBO to manual. set PPT and TDC to 0/auto. set EDC to 1. then set your override max boost to 200Mhz for a start. voltage at auto.

must disable cstate and CnQ though. give it a try.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-amd-gene...urbo-boost.html
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Ya with some board that does't work well though. You can just put 300-230-230
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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 5 2020, 09:35 AM)
Ya with some board that does't work well though. You can just put 300-230-230
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 5 2020, 10:35 AM)
This edc 1 bug has given me the best results at the moment. Both SC and MC performance increase.
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the thing is once you set edc to 1 the workload current detection is disabled for all I know. this results in a voltage bump in some instances.

once you run high (synthetic) workloads (avx etc.) on a regular basis this might degrade your chip.

better use something where your voltage stays within specifications.
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QUOTE(crazyfatt @ Jun 5 2020, 11:40 AM)
what mobo boss using ? asus got performance increase ?
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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 5 2020, 02:59 PM)
the thing is once you set edc to 1 the workload current detection is disabled for all I know. this results in a voltage bump in some instances.

once you run high (synthetic) workloads (avx etc.) on a regular basis this might degrade your chip.

better use something where your voltage stays within specifications.
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From my understanding i think its a "safer" all core overclock technique. Could be wrong though.
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 6 2020, 09:37 AM)
From my understanding i think its a "safer" all core overclock technique. Could be wrong though.
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not necessarily. with both, EDC and all core OC you could be using too much voltage during heavy stress loads.

I personally do it like this. I test how much voltage the cpu is using on stock for small FFTs @Prime95.
For example that's 1.25V (after vdroop) for my 8 core chip. (its slightly different for every chip)

So if I set EDC to 1 I'd be getting ~1.28V and with an all core overclock I'd be seeing whatever voltage I set - vdroop (depending on LLC) which would in most instances still be higher than 1.25V.

So unless you get to know how much of a safety buffer AMD applies to their voltage protection algorithms noone can possibly tell how much additional to 1.25 in this instance is save under those max load states.


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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 6 2020, 09:57 AM)
not necessarily. with both, EDC and all core OC you could be using too much voltage during heavy stress loads.

I personally do it like this. I test how much voltage the cpu is using on stock for small FFTs @Prime95.
For example that's 1.25V (after vdroop) for my 8 core chip. (its slightly different for every chip)

So if I set EDC to 1 I'd be getting ~1.28V and with an all core overclock I'd be seeing whatever voltage I set - vdroop (depending on LLC) which would in most instances still be higher than 1.25V.

So unless you get to know how much of a safety buffer AMD applies to their voltage protection algorithms noone can possibly tell how much additional to 1.25 in this instance is save under those max load states.
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I tested both stock and edc 1 and the voltage during load is pretty much the same. Surprisingly all edc, tdc, and ppt parameters are well within the 65w tdp specs. Hence i dunno what kinda sorcery is this edc 1 doing. Hahahahha

I actually set my llc to the lowest setting to allow more vdroop. My multicore scores went up due to the slightly lower voltages at load.

But i do agreee with you. Whether this technique is safe or not or will cause degradation, nobody can give a definite answer. But since im already at the bottom of the silicon lottery. I couldnt care less hehehhe. Even more reason to get a new proc if anything fails.

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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 6 2020, 10:05 AM)
I tested both stock and edc 1 and the voltage during load is pretty much the same. Surprisingly all edc, tdc, and ppt parameters are well within the 65w tdp specs. Hence i dunno what kinda sorcery is this edc 1 doing. Hahahahha

I actually set my llc to the lowest setting to allow more vdroop. My multicore scores went up due to the slightly lower voltages at load.

But i do agreee with you. Whether this technique is safe or not or will cause degradation, nobody can give a definite answer. But since im already at the bottom of the silicon lottery. I couldnt care less hehehhe. Even more reason to get a new proc if anything fails.
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Ye for me EDC is behaving differently then on the boards I tested it with (C7H, X570 Unify) but not really much into figuring why since I am not using it.
That's why others should at least try it before, at least.

Using LLC to low(est) is very good. I think buildzoid had a pretty nice video on this (https://youtu.be/9pa9-wjKQp8)

Ye as long as you don't plan to sell the chip without mentioning that should be fine laugh.gif
After getting such a lemon u'd deserve a better one anyways thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ May 23 2020, 07:36 AM)
FCLK 1900 synced?
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"The last dance" with Zen2 at RAM OC as I've got a 'new' 2x8GB Micron E-Die Kit.

3800Mhz | DRAM 1.40V | VSoC 1.05V | VDDG 0.975V | ProcODT 32Ω | RTT's 0-0-5

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had some fun with ancient am4 board. laugh.gif

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It seems something wrong on my previous system.
I did fresh install windows and install drivers.
Power plan i choose ''Ámd Performance". The benchmark seems ok.
disable PBO. C-state AUTO. windows is latest.
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Hi guys, what is the most stable overclock settings for R5 3600?

And do i just Change the settings in bios?

Thanks
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Hi guys, what is the most stable overclock settings for R5 3600?

And do i just Change the settings in bios? 

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QUOTE(crazyfatt @ Jun 9 2020, 01:32 AM)
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It seems something wrong on my previous system.
I did fresh install windows and install drivers.
Power plan i choose ''Ámd Performance". The benchmark seems ok.
disable PBO. C-state AUTO. windows is latest.
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yep, SC seems about right now.
fingers off any software that can mess with bios settings/config, or powerplans then biggrin.gif

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pretty much what i can squeeze outta d combo... it.s a shame loosening timing not really help with higher frequency but 1GHz oc (albeit efficiency is not there) is quite fun... tongue.gif

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If you told any1 that this b350 board would be able to run ram @4.6GHz during Zen or even Zen+ times they would have sent you for psychological check up tongue.gif
If you got the time try dropping SOC VDDG and VDDP. Too high can also get those sticks to run really unstable. Even at these frequencies.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 12 2020, 04:41 PM)
If you told any1 that this b350 board would be able to run ram @4.6GHz during Zen or even Zen+ times they would have sent you for psychological check up  tongue.gif
If you got the time try dropping SOC VDDG and VDDP. Too high can also get those sticks to run really unstable. Even at these frequencies.
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lol, exactly... apart from d improved agesa, asrock deserved some credits of making d newer microcodes tick. there are other more high end boards with same agesa but cant oc ram for their lives. tongue.gif

will try to reduce soc vddg + d vddp. i just leave 'em to auto. vdimm @ 1.40v (max can go) + vsoc @ 1.075v. wink.gif

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it's Micron E-dies I suppose?
Then go with
VSoC 1.05-1.075V max 1.1V
VDDG 0.95-0.975V
VDDP 0.855-0.95V
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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 12 2020, 05:27 PM)
it's Micron E-dies I suppose?
Then go with
VSoC 1.05-1.075V max 1.1V
VDDG 0.95-0.975V
VDDP 0.855-0.95V
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Tup, those are micr9n e die sticks. Thx for d tips sir. I wish there is still tiny bit of room for improvement - frequency wise. 4600 not 100% bootable all times. 4533 is more solid. smile.gif

last attempt on d e die sticks...

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Just got my Crucial Ballistix 2x16GB 3200MHz CL16-18-18-36 (BL2K16G32C16U4B) for RM860 (great price?). Bought them from Amazon US. Love these micron E dies.

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Max frequency i can achieve is 4200MHz @1.38V. Have yet try higher voltage. blush.gif

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This is the timing i get for 3800MHz 1:1 fclk based on DRAM calculator. DRAM Voltage also at 1.38V, SOC voltage at 1.09V.

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Benchmark results with above settings and CPU at stock clock.



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any sifu overclock 4x8gb ? i tried the calculator safe setting but fail boot .... am i set the calculator wrong ?
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any sifu overclock 4x8gb ? i tried the calculator safe setting but fail boot .... am i set the calculator wrong ?
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Can give us more info like which motherboard, which RAM model, the timing and frequency you attempted?
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QUOTE(steven789 @ Jun 17 2020, 08:45 AM)
Can give us more info like which motherboard, which RAM model, the timing and frequency you attempted?
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I'm using x570 asus formula
Ram is this https://www.gskill.com/product/165/326/1562...35V32GB-(4x8GB)
i using the 1.7.3 calculator and folo exactly all the setting but can't boot.
Processor no OC. PBO enable. I'm wondering what makes me can''t OC this ram bangwall.gif

Trying the "calculate safe" 3600mhz. I'm so sad now...hoep can get help from all sifu
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QUOTE(crazyfatt @ Jun 17 2020, 11:07 PM)
I'm using x570 asus formula
Ram is this https://www.gskill.com/product/165/326/1562...35V32GB-(4x8GB)
i using the 1.7.3 calculator and folo exactly all the setting but can't boot.
Processor no OC. PBO enable. I'm wondering what makes me can''t OC  this ram  bangwall.gif

Trying the "calculate safe" 3600mhz. I'm so sad now...hoep can get help from all sifu
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Did u use thaiphoon burner to check ur ram details?
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 17 2020, 11:23 PM)
Did u use thaiphoon burner to check ur ram details?
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yes i did and import to calculate. I just tried with DOCP and i go change the CL, trcd, trp, tras. it’s able to boot up now...seems some numbers is wrong in calculator

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that's bdie pretty much. try 16 17 16 with below 1.4v & see how it go? runnin my bdie @ 3800 @ 16 17 16 with 1.36v w/o much issue. smile.gif
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QUOTE(crazyfatt @ Jun 18 2020, 12:04 AM)
yes i did and import to calculate. I just tried with DOCP and i go change the CL, trcd, trp, tras. it’s able to boot up now...seems some numbers is wrong in calculator

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That looks like a good b-die so congrats.
But probably tRC can still tightens up a bit to 58 or 60.

Anyway, the import function in DRAM calculator may not function correctly so I usually only specify the die, rank, chipset and the speed I want to run. Then press calculate fast and safe to compare the difference. Overclocking RAM needs a lot of patience and the DRAM calculator results are just a reference.

Also, make sure you use the latest version of DRAM calculator.
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This is probably the best I can do after trying for months during MCO.
8GBX2 3800Mhz CL14-14-13-21 1.5V Vdimm on Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master

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QUOTE(steven789 @ Jun 18 2020, 12:58 AM)
That looks like a good b-die so congrats.
But probably tRC can still tightens up a bit to 58 or 60.

Anyway, the import function in DRAM calculator may not function correctly so I usually only specify the die, rank, chipset and the speed I want to run. Then press calculate fast and safe to compare the difference. Overclocking RAM needs a lot of patience and the DRAM calculator results are just a reference.

Also, make sure you use the latest version of DRAM calculator.
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i tighten up the trc to 28 and able to boot. Is it no harm using the overclock profile and change timing ?
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i tighten up the trc to 28 and able to boot. Is it no harm using the overclock profile and change timing ?
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It's totally safe unless you put too much voltage. Personally I don't like to go beyond 1.4V although up to 1.45V should be fine for b-die. But do check stability of your overclock with good ram test software.
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You're running all core overclock at 1.42V? Many people in other forum say anything more than 1.35V will cause CPU degradation. Some even say 1.30V sweat.gif . So far I only dare to push my 3700x up to 1.31V only.

But your RAM are crazy fast with super low latency thumbsup.gif . B-dies are still king!
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to me manual oc is dead (for 24/7) setup. get d vrm & cpu cooled as much as u can, then let d pbo does its job. smile.gif

so one only left with ram oc to play with. 3800 @ 1:1 with tightest timing & vdimm which u can tolerate is d way to go imo. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(steven789 @ Jun 18 2020, 02:35 PM)
You're running all core overclock at 1.42V? Many people in other forum say anything more than 1.35V will cause CPU degradation. Some even say 1.30V  sweat.gif . So far I only dare to push my 3700x up to 1.31V only.

But your RAM are crazy fast with super low latency  thumbsup.gif . B-dies are still king!
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I don't dare push 1.42V for all core and I still need my single threaded performance. This is a gaming rig. I'm running it on PBO +200Mhz with PPT 300, TDC 230, EDC 230 .

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 18 2020, 03:10 PM)
I don't dare push 1.42V for all core and I still need my single threaded performance. This is a gaming rig. I'm running it on PBO +200Mhz with PPT 300, TDC 230, EDC 230 .
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same setting here bro. BZ recommended setup. thumbup.gif

if only can do like +400MHz would be damn good... lol... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(steven789 @ Jun 18 2020, 02:35 PM)
You're running all core overclock at 1.42V? Many people in other forum say anything more than 1.35V will cause CPU degradation. Some even say 1.30V  sweat.gif . So far I only dare to push my 3700x up to 1.31V only.

But your RAM are crazy fast with super low latency  :thumbsup: . B-dies are still king!
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Only binned Samsung B-die is good. I have been bitten by junk B-die so many times.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I got this kits. I confirm in Thaiphoon burner is B-die but can do 3800Mhz CL18 only

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Thaiphoon burner also confirmed this SODIMM 2666Mhz CL15 as Samsung B-die but this is the most junk bin of it.

So 1 must not blindly aim for Samsung B-die. There are junk B-die too . I learnt my lesson.

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jun 18 2020, 02:50 PM)
to me manual oc is dead (for 24/7) setup. get d vrm & cpu cooled as much as u can, then let d pbo does its job.  smile.gif

so one only left with ram oc to play with. 3800 @ 1:1 with tightest timing & vdimm which u can tolerate is d way to go imo.  tongue.gif
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this is my take on the new gen Ryzen cpu's as well.

cool it as much as possible, let it fly on its own. get a very good set of rams and go as tight timings as possible.
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jun 18 2020, 02:50 PM)
to me manual oc is dead (for 24/7) setup. get d vrm & cpu cooled as much as u can, then let d pbo does its job.  smile.gif

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I find even PBO is very inefficient. Setting it on will increase power consumption from 65w to over 95w with very little gain in performance. So i'm still running at stock without PBO tongue.gif

QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 18 2020, 05:05 PM)
Only binned Samsung B-die is good. I have been bitten by junk B-die so many times.

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 18 2020, 05:05 PM)
Only binned Samsung B-die is good. I have been bitten by junk B-die so many times.

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I got this kits. I confirm in Thaiphoon burner is B-die but can do 3800Mhz CL18 only

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Thaiphoon burner also confirmed this SODIMM 2666Mhz CL15 as Samsung B-die but this is the most junk bin of it.

So 1 must not blindly aim for Samsung B-die. There are junk B-die too . I learnt my lesson.
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binned b die are hard to get & pricey, cant blame ppl tryin to find gem among d stones bro. those really binned bdie (mostly CL14 rated @ 3200 > 3600) dont worth d price we pay for just to run 24/7 setup. i have a pair of bdie (ven pro rgb 3600 cl18) too but i really not comfortable to run high frequency @ tight timing like u. d kiasi-ness is stronk in me... tongue.gif

QUOTE(steven789 @ Jun 18 2020, 09:40 PM)
I find even PBO is very inefficient. Setting it on will increase power consumption from 65w to over 95w with very little gain in performance.  So i'm still running at stock without PBO  tongue.gif
That's why I didn't want to gamble with Samsung B-die and rather went for cheaper Micron Rev.E.
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C&Q still work with PBO disabled? i'd say PBO worth d extra watts compared to running slight perma oc though, so it's like best of both worlds with some compromise. for those dont feel comfortable runnig their ram with high voltages for 24/7, micron e is better choice (while being laxer timing wise compared to samsung bdie). bdie is capable of okayish voltage @ 3800 too if one dont really mind d non CL14 setup. mine runs perfectly fine @ 3800 CL16 with 1.36v for 24/7. when it comes to price, no doubt micron e wins hands down. sweat.gif

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don't trust thaiphoon burner blindly. I've myself seen it more than once giving wrong info on dies.

@k!nex fine kit, haven't tested stability?
I have my doubts its really stable with this tRAS @21 with tCL and tRCDRD at 14 each.
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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 19 2020, 01:13 PM)
don't trust thaiphoon burner blindly. I've myself seen it more than once giving wrong info on dies.

@k!nex fine kit, haven't tested stability?
I have my doubts its really stable with this tRAS @21 with tCL and tRCDRD at 14 each.
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I passed 1 hour of Realbench stress test though. So far for gaming, i never got any issues.
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jun 19 2020, 01:12 PM)
binned b die are hard to get & pricey, cant blame ppl tryin to find gem among d stones bro. those really binned bdie (mostly CL14 rated @ 3200 > 3600) dont worth d price we pay for just to run 24/7 setup. i have a pair of bdie (ven pro rgb 3600 cl18) too but i really not comfortable to run high frequency @ tight timing like u. d kiasi-ness is stronk in me...  tongue.gif
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Depends on how you define expensive la. I found the cheapest binned B-die on shopee though. Not total junk B-die like my G-Skill Trident-Z 3600CL18. Like what @nrw said, it might be Samsung D-die too because Thaiphoon burner might read wrongly.
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8GB X2 3600 17-18-18-38 1.35V


For Samsung B-die, i think 1.5V is probably the max 24/7 voltage since I have seen G-Skill sell Trident-Z DDR4-4600 CL19 23-23-43 @ 1.5 V kits. I mean they wouldn't sell this SKU if they know running at 1.5V for long term will kill the RAM. And they do have lifetime warranty to back it up.

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post Jun 19 2020, 01:49 PM

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what did the 042 code look like on your tridentz 3600c18?
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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 19 2020, 01:49 PM)
what did the 042 code look like on your tridentz 3600c18?
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I have 4 sticks of these Trident-Z.
04266X8810C
04240R8410C

Bought a week before Chinese New Year 2020.
I dont think it is a B die. It cannot go below CL18 at 3800Mhz even if i shove 1.45V to it. Put 1.5V , i cannot even POST with those 4 sticks.

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last 3 digits 10 is samsung, c is c die
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gotta admire your patience. I'm too lazy to boot and reboot trying out each timing. So far ryzen dram calc does fine in giving me 3800cl16 at 1.4v

Getting 65.3ns on aida latency test

But thanks for sharing. Might steal your timings for bragging rights tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 19 2020, 02:03 PM)
last 3 digits 10 is samsung, c is c die
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That answers my doubts already. Thank you very much. 3600CL18 really got lots of lousy RAM kits but that is the only thing for sale in lowyat plaza.
Want better binned RAM, have to buy from Amazon.

I am waiting for a good opportunity to sell off my Trident Z kits since i got a better kit now. RAM price still going up like that. Wait abit more can sell higher

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Tbh, if you buy at local stores, just check the corsair vengeance 3600 (maybe even 3200) kits.

The version number is visible through the backside of the sealed boxing.
v4.31 would be b-dies.

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I just ran another random stress test before i go back to work.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 19 2020, 02:17 PM)
Tbh, if you buy at local stores, just check the corsair vengeance 3600 (maybe even 3200) kits.

The version number is visible through the backside of the sealed boxing.
v4.31 would be b-dies.
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yup, tried few ven rgb & ven pro rgb, best mileage was ven pro 3466 cl16. did 4533 on b450i aorus (cl18 iirc, 1.5v) back then where agesa still not as forgiving as 1004. have yet to put my ven pro 3600 (18 19 19 rated) to sword... i read there are ver 4.32 also samsung b die but surely they are lowered binned sticks, can be found on lpx/ven pro rgb 3200 kits. smile.gif

p/s: ver 4.32 can be found even on 2666 rated kit

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 19 2020, 01:13 PM)
don't trust thaiphoon burner blindly. I've myself seen it more than once giving wrong info on dies.

@k!nex fine kit, haven't tested stability?
I have my doubts its really stable with this tRAS @21 with tCL and tRCDRD at 14 each.
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how can i get the true real information of my dies then?
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 19 2020, 04:14 PM)
how can i get the true real information of my dies then?
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for some manufacturers the sticker on the ram holds the information needed.
as you can see with corsair and g.skill.
2 posts up you see v4.32, that's always samsung c die for example.
the safest would be to look below the heatspreader/sticker, but that's not always easily possible and could also void warranty.

if you have the sticks already the most convenient way you can confirm is by testing few values and voltage scaling characteristics to figure what dies are on them.
but you probably know that anyways.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 19 2020, 04:19 PM)
for some manufacturers the sticker on the ram holds the information needed.
as you can see with corsair and g.skill.
2 posts up you see v4.32, that's always samsung c die for example.
the safest would be to look below the heatspreader/sticker, but that's not always easily possible and could also void warranty.

if you have the sticks already the most convenient way you can confirm is by testing few values and voltage scaling characteristics to figure what dies are on them.
but you probably know that anyways.
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Thanks! Shitty dies i have for both ram and cpu. For g.skill what information should i look out for on the sticker?

Adata D60G DDR4 3600 16GB (XPG) (8GB*2) CL14 for rm854. Hmmmm should i get it?

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Thanks! Shitty dies i have for both ram and cpu. For g.skill what information should i look out for on the sticker?

Adata D60G DDR4 3600 16GB (XPG) (8GB*2) CL14 for rm854. Hmmmm should i get it?
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1) G.Skill got that 042 code, most important are the 3 last digits. NNX
NN=10 = Samsung
NN=21 = Hynix
X=The Die

2) What's the other primaries and the voltage for the 3600 profile?

To be frank... you use Zen2, just get a Micron E-Die Kit and adjusting timings yourself.
U'll spend (less than) half of RM854 and will get almost same performance.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 20 2020, 08:46 AM)
1) G.Skill got that 042 code, most important are the 3 last digits. NNX
NN=10 = Samsung
NN=21 = Hynix
X=The Die

2) What's the other primaries and the voltage for the 3600 profile?

To be frank... you use Zen2, just get a Micron E-Die Kit and adjusting timings yourself.
U'll spend (less than) half of RM854 and will get almost same performance.
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Thanks for the info! I tried tightening the timings on my ram again. And surprisingly i manage to get it done. This time i actually disabled xmp profile and manually set the voltages and timings according to dram calculator safe timings.

3600mhz i manage to get 16-21-21-21-42 (aida test shows lower latency but lower throughput)

3733mhz i manage to get 18-22-22-22-42 (aida test shows higher latency but higher throughput)

Which you reckon will have better gaming performance? And what rams are on micron edie?
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 20 2020, 02:33 PM)
Thanks for the info! I tried tightening the timings on my ram again. And surprisingly i manage to get it done. This time i actually disabled xmp profile and manually set the voltages and timings according to dram calculator safe timings.

3600mhz i manage to get 16-21-21-21-42 (aida test shows lower latency but lower throughput)

3733mhz i manage to get 18-22-22-22-42 (aida test shows higher latency but higher throughput)

Which you reckon will have better gaming performance? And what rams are on micron edie?
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choose the one with lower voltage (3733). even though worse on paper you hardly gonna notice the difference.
e-dies hard to get as micron not selling the kits that are e-die exclusive in malaysia.
you can get corsair sticks with them but that's a gamble.
best is to order overseas. I can just add a kit to my next order if you want, just send me a pm.

but seeing you managed to oc your ram, just keep it n go with that.

I'll just drop some basic B-Die settings from my record here.
I haven't had a kit that wouldn't run these on zen2.
but actually seeing your numbers above... those might be c-dies

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Share my 3700x OC and benchmark results here for reference:

Purchased in May 2020. Sorry as I forgot to snap a photo of the manufacturing date which can be identified on the CPU heat spreader. More recent CPUs perform better in overclocking.

Test setup:
- Motherboard: Asus x570 ROG Strix-E Gaming
- RAM: Crucial Ballistix 32GB (2x16 dual rank) at 3733MHz 16-19-16-36-58-1T
- CPU cooler: Xigmatek Red Scorpion (10 year old cooler blush.gif )
- Power supply: Thermaltake Toughpower Grand RGB 650W
- Room temperature: 26.2°C

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This is stock (auto) settings but CPU voltage offset at -0.0825v. Without this negative offset cinebench score usually about 4770 only.
- CPU package power: 90.183w
- CPU core power: 64.645w
- CPU (Tctl/Tdie): 63.3°C max
- Motherboard temp: 32°C
- Max boost clock (all core): 4025MHz
- Max boost clock (single core): 4400MHz


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This is PBO + autoOC. CPU voltage also offset -0.0825v. Any further reduction in voltage will degrade performance
Max all core boost: 4,175MHz
Avg all core boost: 4,125MHz
CPU package power: 120.160w
CPU core power: 93.762w
CPU (Tctl/Tdie): 71.8°C max
Motherboard temp: 32°C


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4.2GHz all core overclock.
CPU voltage: 1.200V (1.16V at load)
CPU package power: 91.926w
CPU core power: 65.979w
CPU (Tctl/Tdie): 64.0°C max
Motherboard temp: 32°C
OCCT tested stable (30min)
This will be the most efficient clock setting because power consumption remained at 65w (core) similar like stock settings. However, single core performance will drop so I didn't even bother testing.


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4.4 GHz all core OC. OCCT tested stable for 30min.
CPU voltage: 1.31v (1.30v at load)
Additional VRM settings: LLC level 4, Current capability 140%, Switching frequency 500Hz, Power phase control Extreme.
CPU cooler fan speed: 1680rpm
CPU package power: 121.712w
CPU core power: 94.889w
CPU (Tctl/Tdie): 74.9°C max
Motherboard temp: 30°C (casing fans running at higher speed)
As you can see, this setting has very similar power consumption figures as PBO. Therefore PBO is quite inefficient.


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Stability testing with OCCT. I find OCCT is very sensitive in detecting instabilty. 30min of testing is equivalent to hours and hours of Prime95.
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QUOTE(steven789 @ Jun 20 2020, 06:36 PM)
Stability testing with OCCT.  I find OCCT is very sensitive in detecting instabilty.  30min of testing is equivalent to hours and hours of Prime95.
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that one is very debatable laugh.gif

You are being constrained by your cooler biggrin.gif
But a nice chip, shows why they are releasing the XT series soon.

Now you gotta play with voltages to get 1900 fclk working, you can't stop before that.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 20 2020, 03:45 PM)
choose the one with lower voltage (3733). even though worse on paper you hardly gonna notice the difference.
e-dies hard to get as micron not selling the kits that are e-die exclusive in malaysia.
you can get corsair sticks with them but that's a gamble.
best is to order overseas. I can just add a kit to my next order if you want, just send me a pm.

but seeing you managed to oc your ram, just keep it n go with that.

I'll just drop some basic B-Die settings from my record here.
I haven't had a kit that wouldn't run these on zen2.
but actually seeing your numbers above... those might be c-dies

B-Dies:
3733 memclk / 1866 fclk

ProcODT 36.9
RTT 0/0/5
CADs 24-20-24-24
Vdimm 1.42V
SOC 1.1V
tCL 16
tRCDRD 17
tRCDWR 16
tRP 16
tRAS 32
tRC 38
tRRDS 4
tRRDL 6
tFAW 16
tWTRS 4
tWTRL 12
tWR 12
tRDRDSCL 3
tWRWRSCL 3
tRFC 288
tCWL 16
tRTP 10
tRDWR 10
tWRRD 4
tWRWRSC 1
tWRWRSD 7
tWRWRDD 7
tRDRDSC 1
tRDRDSD 5
tRDRDDD 5
tCKE 1
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Thanks for sharing. Im gonna try to see if i can hit cl14 or cl15 @ 3600. If not try to hit cl16 @ 3733. But i reckon 3733 will give a slight edge due to higher infinity fabric. i think my ram are b-dies. just that its very low bin batch i suspect.

Im willing to try pushing vdimm up to 1.45v to try and achieve the above scenarios. Wish me luck!

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QUOTE(TerryZeroX @ Oct 11 2019, 04:36 PM)
Awesome, thanks for the tip. It indeed is CJR, will try to push those timings and see.  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Hi Terry,

how did you verify if your F4-3600C18D-16GTZN is CJR? i'm using the exact same ram as you, but thaiphoon burner shows samsung b-die.

thanks.
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settled for 3600mhz @ 16-20-20-20-40 @ 1.4v

pc was able to boot at 3733mhz @ 17-22-22-22-42 @ 1.4v but was unstable as windows was stuttering.

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QUOTE(steven789 @ Jun 20 2020, 06:36 PM)
Share my 3700x OC and benchmark results here for reference:

Purchased in May 2020. Sorry as I forgot to snap a photo of the manufacturing date which can be identified on the CPU heat spreader.  More recent CPUs perform better in overclocking.
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Your 3700X is amazing. I cant even push mine on static overclock to be stable at all core 4.3Ghz at 1.35V vcore.
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 21 2020, 01:05 PM)
Your 3700X is amazing. I cant even push mine on static overclock to be stable at all core 4.3Ghz at 1.35V vcore.
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Looks like he won the silicon lottery. Must be a 3700xt hehhehe
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Play around the RAM overclocking and i would like to ask some questions.

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I follow calculator 1.7.3 settings for overclock 3600mhz and 3800 mhz which my ram is 4x8GB.

1. For 3600mhz i folo everything but i need to set "RTT_WR AUTO" to be able to pass memtestpro. If i set it to OFF it will not boot.
2. For 3800mhz folo everything but need to set 2T and RTT_WR AUTO to be stable.

Would like to ask is the RTT_WR OFF recommend in the calculator must be folo ? I got no error from memtestpro after 1 night run with the RTT_WR AUTO. I'm curious why this off will make me can't boot into windows or error when i restart windows. Hope all sifu can help explain for me notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 21 2020, 03:18 PM)
Looks like he won the silicon lottery. Must be a 3700xt hehhehe
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When I see other forum, all recent Ryzen 3000 series behave better. Some can even do it at lower voltage than mine.

QUOTE(crazyfatt @ Jun 21 2020, 03:53 PM)
Would like to ask is the RTT_WR OFF recommend in the calculator must be folo ? I got no error from memtestpro after 1 night run with the RTT_WR AUTO. I'm curious why this off will make me can't boot into windows or error when i restart windows. Hope all sifu can help explain for me notworthy.gif
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I don't follow the calculator exactly. I have no idea what RTT_WR do but I'm sure DRAM calculator is not a Bible. You will notice each version of the calculator has different settings.
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is my OC ok ? i don't even know the aida benchmark meaning @@ base on ur experience ? is 3600 better or 3800 for gaming ?
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QUOTE(crazyfatt @ Jun 21 2020, 03:53 PM)
Play around the RAM overclocking and i would like to ask some questions.

user posted image user posted image

I follow calculator 1.7.3 settings for overclock 3600mhz and 3800 mhz which my ram is 4x8GB.

1. For 3600mhz i folo everything but i need  to set "RTT_WR AUTO" to be able to pass memtestpro. If i set it to OFF it will not boot.
2. For 3800mhz folo everything but need to set 2T and RTT_WR AUTO to be stable.

Would like to ask is the RTT_WR OFF recommend in the calculator must be folo ? I got no error from memtestpro after 1 night run with the RTT_WR AUTO. I'm curious why this off will make me can't boot into windows or error when i restart windows. Hope all sifu can help explain for me notworthy.gif
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a)
for 4 sticks rtt write should never be off. keep it on /3 (or 80 for those with other boards but same issue)

don't blindly follow calc if you see or presume it works better otherwise. end of the day, it's just a database which spits out stuff based on your input.
it doesn't exactly calculate anything specifically for your kit.

b)
keep running 3800MHz. If you can't get it to work on CL14 just run it on CL16 with lower voltage, GDM on, and 1T.
You need to share more info (use zentimings for timings + list down used voltages, procodt, cad's, and rtt's

@steven789 for a locally bought chip you got a nice one.
I feel AMD keeps supplying local distributor with quite dated stock.
Mostly I see 2019 production weeks in stores.
My 8c does 4.325 with your voltages (I allow for more vdroop, its good to prevent undershoot after all.), so your's is quite a bit better (on manual OC at least). Especially taking cooling and temps into consideration.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 21 2020, 06:27 PM)
a)
for 4 sticks rtt write should never be off. keep it on /3 (or 80 for those with other boards but same issue)

don't blindly follow calc if you see or presume it works better otherwise. end of the day, it's just a database which spits out stuff based on your input.
it doesn't exactly calculate anything specifically for your kit.

b)
keep running 3800MHz. If you can't get it to work on CL14 just run it on CL16 with lower voltage, GDM on, and 1T.
You need to share more info (use zentimings for timings + list down used voltages, procodt, cad's, and rtt's

@steven789 for a locally bought chip you got a nice one.
I feel AMD keeps supplying local distributor with quite dated stock.
Mostly I see 2019 production weeks in stores.
My 8c does 4.325 with your voltages (I allow for more vdroop, its good to prevent undershoot after all.), so your's is quite a bit better (on manual OC at least). Especially taking cooling and temps into consideration.
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i download ryzen timing but it can not open. Can u show me url to download ?
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https://github.com/irusanov/ZenTimings/rele...ings_v1.0.4.zip
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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 21 2020, 07:06 PM)
TQ boss. Here's my timing

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ProcODT 43.6
RTT_NOM RZQ/7
RTT_WR AUTO
RTT_PARK RZQ/5

Dram voltage 1.45
soc 1.14
others all auto
*I notice if i enable GDM the CL will become 16 even i set it 15. Is this ok ?

Hope can get better result notworthy.gif

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I thought u were on 2T CL15? Guess you already changed to 1T CL16 now?
Doesn't look to bad already if that's stable.


I'll just steal 'my' (stole most if it myself tongue.gif ) old 3733 4x8 config, if you got nice sticks it might work on 3800.
try this if you like:

ProcODT 36.9 (should do already)
RTT 7/3/1
CADs 24-20-20-24 (or 24-20-24-24, 24-24-24-24)
Vdimm 1.50V (you have some airflow on the ram, right?)
SOC 1.10V

left ur current settings, right the ones to try
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if you don't have airflow just keep it on c16 if that's already stable. good luck.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 21 2020, 08:12 PM)
I thought u were on 2T CL15? Guess you already changed to 1T CL16 now?
Doesn't look to bad already if that's stable.
I'll just steal 'my' (stole most if it myself  tongue.gif ) old 3733 4x8 config, if you got nice sticks it might work on 3800.
try this if you like:

ProcODT 36.9 (should do already)
RTT 7/3/1
CADs 24-20-20-24 (or 24-20-24-24, 24-24-24-24)
Vdimm 1.50V (you have some airflow on the ram, right?)
SOC 1.10V

left ur current settings, right the ones to try
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if you don't have airflow just keep it on c16 if that's already stable. good luck.
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GDM On auto become 16
1T can be apply on GDM On but i use aida benchmark is not good than CL15 + 2T. I’ll try out ur setting when i get back home. thx ya

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ye ofc, gdm can only operate with even numbers. I was just expecting to see your c15 setting in the screenshot biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 21 2020, 08:26 PM)
ye ofc, gdm can only operate with even numbers. I was just expecting to see your c15 setting in the screenshot biggrin.gif
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If you have Samsung B die kit. Watch your memory temps. Once it goes above 50C , memtest will spew errors everywhere.
If you have the guts , then increase vdimm to 1.5V. push for cl14 and dont use 2T CR. In bios , CR put Auto and enable Gear Down Mode.

Vsoc put 1.1V enough, i know that once you hit 1.15V and above here , it can start to spew errors .
Vddg iod 1.05V.
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QUOTE(crazyfatt @ Jun 21 2020, 07:46 PM)
Dram voltage 1.45
soc 1.14
others all auto
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I think you can reduce your soc voltage to just 1.10v. This can cool down CPU a bit. SOC voltage only important for fclk stability.
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Read up 🤣 thats what he was asked to set. So he done that.


You can try to raise tRFC to 280 n see if it posts.
You can use the safe boot button btw, no need to clear cmos.

Edit: @k!nex VDDG to 1.05V? hmm.gif poor IMC.
for B-Dies just keep between 0.95V & 1V. Try what suits your chip.


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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 21 2020, 09:43 PM)
Read up 🤣 thats what he was asked to set. So he done that.
You can try to raise tRFC to 280 n see if it posts.
You can use the safe boot button btw, no need to clear cmos.

Edit: @k!nex VDDG to 1.05V?  hmm.gif poor IMC.
for B-Dies just keep between 0.95V & 1V. Try what suits your chip.
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Vddg iod 1.05V is by default on my motherboard if i put FCLK at 1900Mhz. I have read that this voltage safe setting is not to go over 1.1V and it needs to be at least 40mV below Vsoc.
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 21 2020, 10:16 PM)
Vddg iod 1.05V is by default on my motherboard if i put FCLK at 1900Mhz. I have read that this voltage safe setting is not to go over 1.1V and it needs to be at least 40mV below Vsoc.
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Auto != correct

Good boards will have no issue having it in the range I proposed. He does have a very good board. There are some bad ones where you can increase the range until 1.05V but that's just unnecessary stress and pointless to be done as long as the infinity fabric is stable.
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if i stress the ram it will go above 50 and keep increase temp. if no stress it would stay below 50.
i’m using lianli dynamic and fully watercool.

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 21 2020, 09:34 PM)
If you have Samsung B die kit. Watch your memory temps. Once it goes above 50C , memtest will spew errors everywhere.
If you have the guts , then increase vdimm to 1.5V. push for cl14 and dont use 2T CR. In bios , CR put Auto and enable Gear Down Mode.

Vsoc put 1.1V enough, i know that once you hit 1.15V and above here , it can start to spew errors .
Vddg iod 1.05V.
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it will not post if i use 1T for 3800mhz + cl 14
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Oh, don't get me wrong btw, I'm not saying its the wrong voltage for you.
But usually when I test fclk stability I start with .95V and almost always get it stable below 1V.
If your IF doesn't run stable below that value ur fine to have it. But if it'd work on a lesser voltage it'd be a waste not to do so.
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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 21 2020, 09:43 PM)
Read up 🤣 thats what he was asked to set. So he done that.
You can try to raise tRFC to 280 n see if it posts.
You can use the safe boot button btw, no need to clear cmos.

Edit: @k!nex VDDG to 1.05V?  hmm.gif poor IMC.
for B-Dies just keep between 0.95V & 1V. Try what suits your chip.
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haha dynamic or dynamicxl?
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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 21 2020, 10:46 PM)
haha dynamic or dynamicxl?
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looks ... colorful laugh.gif but ya very tricky one with bottom rad

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 21 2020, 10:59 PM)
looks ... colorful  laugh.gif but ya very tricky one with bottom rad
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is my voltage got problem ? i don’t really know what you guys talking those voltages @@ sorry ya

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No problem per sē, we just pointed out you can lower SOC Voltage to 1.10V.
Possibly you can set VDDG to 0.95 and VDDP to 1.0V as well but that's not really a must.
Then some different opinions on VDDG (haven't even started with VDDP) but all irrelevant as long as your infinity fabric stable.
That's not what keeping you from booting CL14.

Just keep you old setting. Not like you're wasting much performance anyways.
1.45V will be nice, too. No need to bother too much about temperatures.
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any sifu nearby cheras ? can pay me a visit and fix this ram 😔 i willing to pay some fees on ur service. shoot me at 019-355 2626 John. i hope can get a really good sifu to explain and share with me.
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Actually your current setting also good enough. 16-15-15 @3800Mhz is ok la. Sometimes its your luck also
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 21 2020, 11:19 PM)
Actually your current setting also good enough. 16-15-15 @3800Mhz is ok la. Sometimes its your luck also
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i back to 3600mhz 14-15-14-28. 3800 i tried testmem5 v0.12 got many error 😔 i dun know wat error is that. so far 3600 0 error
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QUOTE(crazyfatt @ Jun 21 2020, 11:22 PM)
i back to 3600mhz 14-15-14-28. 3800 i tried testmem5 v0.12 got many error 😔 i dun know wat error is that. so far 3600 0 error
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3800Mhz, have you try put 1.5V on DRAM ?
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 21 2020, 11:24 PM)
3800Mhz, have you try put 1.5V on DRAM ?
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yup 1.5. would like to ask is this ram the best b-die ? thinking to buy it. is this ok to use in ryzen system ?

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QUOTE(crazyfatt @ Jun 21 2020, 11:26 PM)
yup 1.5. would like to ask is this ram the best b-die ? thinking to buy it. is this ok to use in ryzen system ?

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This is confirm Samsung B die. But this one no RGB. Your rig so colourful. Might as well go buy G-Skill higher binned ones.
I have 2 sticks on these. However, if you run 4 sticks, dunno what will happen.

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If I want AVX load stable, then i got the above timings at best. TRFC can probably go lower. I haven't have time to try.
If I want purely gaming load stable, I can drop my TRCD to 14.
However, I run my voltage abit higher than normal ppl.

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 21 2020, 11:29 PM)
This is confirm Samsung B die. But this one no RGB. Your rig so colourful. Might as well go buy G-Skill higher binned ones.
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actually my neo which i bought is 16-16-16-36 1.35v. Isn’t it confirm b-die or i am wrong ? i actually turn off all lightning while i use. i haven’t install the icue becoz icue seems lower down benchmark score sad.gif
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QUOTE(crazyfatt @ Jun 21 2020, 11:31 PM)
actually my neo which i bought is 16-16-16-36 1.35v. Isn’t it confirm b-die or i am wrong ? i actually turn off all lightning while i use. i haven’t install the icue becoz icue seems lower down benchmark score sad.gif
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16-16-16-36 is B die. If its a Hynix CJR or Micron Rev E, it will be 16-19-19 like that. And If you dont have a B die, your TRFC cannot do ~300 for sure at 3600Mhz

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Done testing 20 cycle 0 error. 1.45. sumthing weird was why memtest show 3500mhz ?

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Thts your CPU base clock isnt it?
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https://hcidesign.com/memtest/download.html
For stability testing. Get the free version.

At the timings u run you 100% have B-Dies already. Don't waste money for 1% more performance.

The problem with ram testing is that to properly test 32GB each test run would take ~4h.
So getting someone to do for you is no option if you really wanna max stuff out.
Your 3600 setting is fine, too.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 21 2020, 11:52 PM)
https://hcidesign.com/memtest/download.html
For stability testing.
At the timings u run you 100% have B-Dies already. Don't waste money for 1% more performance.

The problem with ram testing is that to properly test 32GB each test run would take ~4h.
So getting someone to do for you is no option if you really wanna max stuff out.
Your 3600 setting is fine, too.
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 21 2020, 11:48 PM)
Thts your CPU base clock isnt it?
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oh ya 😔 i’m juz too stupid....and it shud be 16 cycle.....i’m re-run again
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QUOTE(crazyfatt @ Jun 21 2020, 11:22 PM)
i back to 3600mhz 14-15-14-28. 3800 i tried testmem5 v0.12 got many error 😔 i dun know wat error is that. so far 3600 0 error
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If I were you, I would aim for 3733MHz or 3800MHz. Ryzen CPU loves high fabric clock.
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Anyone know what chips is used inside the latest G-Skill TridentZ Royal?
I'm thinking of buying the gold C18 version as per the link below

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/299/1552...35V16GB-(2x8GB)

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jun 22 2020, 04:36 PM)
Anyone know what chips is used inside the latest G-Skill TridentZ Royal?
I'm thinking of buying the gold C18 version as per the link below

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/299/1552...35V16GB-(2x8GB)

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95% certain is Samsung C die. Another 5% possible Hynix CJR. Because I have 1 set of Trident-Z RGB and 1 set of Trident-Z Neo 3600Mhz CL18-22-22-42 1.35V. Both of them also Samsung C die. Trident-Z Royal seems to have the same PCB as the other Trident-Z series except different heatsink and the lighting effects.

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 22 2020, 05:01 PM)
95% certain is Samsung C die
Noted. Thank you bro
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jun 22 2020, 05:01 PM)
95% certain is Samsung C die. Another 5% possible Hynix CJR. Because I have 1 set of Trident-Z RGB and 1 set of Trident-Z Neo 3600Mhz CL18-22-22-42 1.35V. Both of them also Samsung C die. Trident-Z Royal seems to have the same PCB as the other Trident-Z series except different heatsink and the lighting effects.
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Whats the best that you manage to squeeze out from your samsung c die kits? Especially the trident z neo 3600 cl18.
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I'll just answer that @red-queen as I had a c-die kit recently which I briefly tested.
At 3800 you're looking at 18-20-21-21 or 18-21-21-21
At 4000 you'd be looking at something like 20-23-23-39

They also scale negatively on higher voltages. Sweetspot is between 1.3 and 1.35V on those frequencies.

Which is why I suggested you in fact have C-Dies few days back when I saw your results.
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bdie is fun but d high voltage always a concern to me. micron e is more my cup of tea albeit timing not as tight... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 23 2020, 07:44 AM)
Whats the best that you manage to squeeze out from your samsung c die kits? Especially the trident z neo 3600 cl18.
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3800Mhz 18-22-22 at 1.38V. However on my X570 Aorus Master , it cannot do this clockspeed at 4 sticks using F11 Bios. After update to F12G , i can do all 4 sticks 3800 CL18 stable but looser TRAS
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this are my current ram timings @ 1.4v should i lower the voltage? i'm quite lost right now on how i can further make it mroe efficient.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 23 2020, 10:27 AM)
I'll just answer that @red-queen as I had a c-die kit recently which I briefly tested.
At 3800 you're looking at 18-20-21-21 or 18-21-21-21
At 4000 you'd be looking at something like 20-23-23-39

They also scale negatively on higher voltages. Sweetspot is between 1.3 and 1.35V on those frequencies.

Which is why I suggested you in fact have C-Dies few days back when I saw your results.
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sorry, but what does scale negatively on higher voltages mean? higher volts get lower frequency, but lower volts get higher frequency?
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Take b-dies for example, pretty much every important value (tCL, tRCD, tRP, tRFC) can be pushed higher as you raise voltage (given you stay within the acceptable temp range)
This is why you sometimes see 3800c12 @1.8V with really nice timings.
Samsung C-die is pretty much the opposite. If you get your stable setting at 1.35V and raise voltage to e.g. 1.45 it will lose stability.
And then there's dies that somewhat scale with voltage, such as Hynix C. tCL & tRFC are scaling pretty well, tRCD & tRP scale don't.

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sorry, but what does scale negatively on higher voltages mean? higher volts get lower frequency, but lower volts get higher frequency?
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Yes, it means you might get worse timing or frequency if too much voltage.
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Thanks for the info sharing. Will lower down my dram voltage to 1.35v and see whats the best i can get.
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Thanks for the help guys. manage to hit 3800mhz @ 1.35v

below are the ram timings. anything i should try to improve?

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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 23 2020, 11:07 PM)
Thanks for the help guys. manage to hit 3800mhz @ 1.35v

below are the ram timings. anything i should try to improve?

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have yet to play with any highly binned samsung c die but at that timing it's very close to CJR (which can do slightly tighter timing i supposed). I'd say get it totally stable 1st, then only tighten d timing from there. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jun 24 2020, 10:18 AM)
have yet to play with any highly binned samsung c die but at that timing it's very close to CJR (which can do slightly tighter timing i supposed). I'd say get it totally stable 1st, then only tighten d timing from there.  smile.gif
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after a full day testing 3800 is not stable. system doesnt crash totally, but i get stuttering. my discord sound gets disoriented and my game will flicker.

back to 3733 now.
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 24 2020, 10:08 PM)
after a full day testing 3800 is not stable. system doesnt crash totally, but i get stuttering. my discord sound gets disoriented and my game will flicker.

back to 3733 now.
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That should be down to your IF then though.
You should have tested that first with the ram on 3200xmp .

Anyways, 3733 almost same, will serve you right until you either upgrade ram or cpu brows.gif



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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 25 2020, 12:22 AM)
That should be down to your IF then though.
You should have tested that first with the ram on 3200xmp .

Anyways, 3733 almost same, will serve you right until you either upgrade ram or cpu  brows.gif
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 24 2020, 10:08 PM)
after a full day testing 3800 is not stable. system doesnt crash totally, but i get stuttering. my discord sound gets disoriented and my game will flicker.

back to 3733 now.
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Put a little higher voltage. I manage to get mine 3800Mhz stable at 1.38Vdimm.
See stable or or not. Not stable only go mess with VSOC and VDDG IOD
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jun 24 2020, 10:18 AM)
have yet to play with any highly binned samsung c die but at that timing it's very close to CJR (which can do slightly tighter timing i supposed). I'd say get it totally stable 1st, then only tighten d timing from there.  smile.gif
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Hynix CJR is better than than Samsung C die for sure. At least it does scale well with voltage for CJR at 3800Mhz. Samsung C die absolutely hates voltage above 1.4V .
For CJR, it is easily doable at 16-19-19 or 16-20-20 at 3800Mhz 1.42 ~ 1.45Vdimm. TRFC below 500

C die is so damn hard to get it to tCL 16 stable at 3800Mhz. I gave up. I got stuck at CL18 no matter how I do. At least for my 8GBX2 3600Mhz CL18 G-Skill kit.
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Newbie first attempt on ram overclocking here, so go easy on me pls sweat.gif

Here are my results after some tinkering last night and it's stable at 300% memtest just now.
MSI X570 Unify | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600C16 (B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3600 14-15-15-30-1T @ 1.41v | SOC voltage @ 1.1v (refence to owikh84 format)
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I've used fast preset timings from DRAM Calculator by 1usmus v.1.7.3 with XMP imported from Thaiphoon.
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Initially I tried vDIMM @ 1.35v and vSOC @ auto with safe preset timings, no go failed to boot so I had to bump up vDIMM to 1.4v, vSOC @ 1.1v.
It did boot fine and I got a little ambitious, I tried 14-14-14-28-1T with those voltage, it will boot but memtest error at around 60%.

End up punching in the current settings, and set vDIMM @ 1.41v. Passed 300% memtest but I know things can be improved.

Everything on CPU is Auto, cooled by wraith stealth while I'm waiting for some custom wc parts to arrive. Temps are high at 83c and I'm reluctant to hammer it now.

A few things that raised some question, the vDIMM readout in HWinfo is quite a bit higher than what I set in BIOS eg: vDIMM @ 1.41v in BIOS but appears to reach 1.436v in readings. vSOC is still close enough.
Another weird thing is the memtest coverage, some threads are at 400% already but some just only reach 300%, most results that I referred to had about 10-20% difference only. sweat.gif

Any sifu feel free to comment on it and I'll see how I can improve. thumbup.gif
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Have you tried if your 3600 is running on a 1900 FCLK?
I'd be choosing 3800C16 over 3600C14 any day.

Seeing you have the same board I do (which is brilliant for memory OC on higher frequencies btw) I can confirm that MSI loves to bump memory voltage. I'd be inclined to believe 1.436V or something very close to that is your actual voltage despite setting it to 1.41V in bios.

Memtest coverage,... maybe owihk84 or others using hci can confirm this but to me it looks like you might not have had enough free memory which is why some threads have less coverage.




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QUOTE(nrw @ Jul 9 2020, 11:55 AM)
Have you tried if your 3600 is running on a 1900 FCLK?
I'd be choosing 3800C16 over 3600C14 any day.

Seeing you have the same board I do (which is brilliant for memory OC on higher frequencies btw) I can confirm that MSI loves to bump memory voltage. I'd be inclined to believe 1.436V or something very close to that is your actual voltage despite setting it to 1.41V in bios.
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I just did some tests, it's not posting at 1900 FCLK, failed the silicon lottery I guess. It's an early 2020 batch, but still not good enough for that. doh.gif
1867 FCLK posted with no problem.

I see, I'll try higher frequency settings in the future. But for now, focusing on finding the right settings for normal usage.
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You could play around with the VSoC, VDDG and VDDP to see if you can get 1900 FCLK running stable.

If that doesn't work out you can still just use 1867 (3733) then.
Still mostly better even if you are going for C16.


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QUOTE(nrw @ Jul 9 2020, 04:54 PM)
You could play around with the VSoC, VDDG and VDDP to see if you can get 1900 FCLK running stable.

If that doesn't work out you can still  just use 1867 (3733) then.
Still mostly better even if you are going for C16.
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I tried applying VSoC 1.15v, VDDG 1.05v, VDDP 0.925v. Still doesn't boot.

I did try something I found online to enable LN2 mode under AMD overclocking, and then go back to set 1900 FCLK in bios, everything else auto including ram. It did boot into Windows after some struggle, but in Windows, the fabric clock was fluctuating at around 1200 FCLK only. Unfortunately the guy only mentioned good luck stabilising FCLK from there and nothing else doh.gif

Maybe I'll just go back and play with 1867 (3733), it was spitting error at 3733 16-16-16-32 @ 1.42v, maybe I'll try bumping up the voltage little by little. Dram calculator suggested up to 1.48v sweat.gif
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sometimes for voltages and stability more is less wink.gif

Try 1.05-1.1V for SOC.
Try VDDG within ranges of 0.95-1.05V (synced meaning iod & ccd)
Try CLDO VDDP in ranges from 0.855 - 1.05V

Once it boots test stability by running aida64 stress cache and streaming a high resolution video at the same time.

If your usb devices/mouse is jerky that will mostly be down to VDDP/VDDG, if your sound is intermittent or fully crashes that'll be either the two above or vSOC.

Good luck. Pretty often if you are willing to spend some time there, you can find a combination of these 3 voltages that will allow your IF to run stable at a higher frequency that auto settings will allow you to.
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Guys, need your help. I just bought G.Skill Trident Z Royal 3600MHz C18 16GB (2x8GB) kits (2 kits for a total of 32GB) and using it with Threadripper 2950x
Unfortunately I can never get it to run stable with the XMP profile, games always crashes

I don't OC my CPU as I'm not an overclocker just want to run everything at stock speed
Definitely not RAM issue because if I install it on my other system with Ryzen 2600X, everything runs just fine

The RAM kits: F4-3600C18D-16GTRG
https://www.gskill.com/product/165/299/1552...35V16GB-(2x8GB)

My motherboard is ASRock Fatal1ty X399 Professional Gaming running latest BIOS v3.80

Any advise? Do you think if I upgrade to 3950X with X570 motherboard it would run stable on the XMP Profile? Was originally saving my money for Ryzen 5000 + DDR5

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QUOTE(CAL V @ Jul 9 2020, 06:12 PM)
I tried applying VSoC 1.15v, VDDG 1.05v, VDDP 0.925v. Still doesn't boot.

I did try something I found online to enable LN2 mode under AMD overclocking, and then go back to set 1900 FCLK in bios, everything else auto including ram. It did boot into Windows after some struggle, but in Windows, the fabric clock was fluctuating at around 1200 FCLK only. Unfortunately the guy only mentioned good luck stabilising FCLK from there and nothing else  doh.gif

Maybe I'll just go back and play with 1867 (3733), it was spitting error at 3733 16-16-16-32 @ 1.42v, maybe I'll try bumping up the voltage little by little. Dram calculator suggested up to 1.48v  sweat.gif
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Dont put vSoC at 1.15V. You put 1.1V also good enough already. You might need to up your VDDP to 1V . Dont use that LN2 mode.
In your BIOS, there is 1 option call UCLK DIV1 MODE, you set UCLK==MEMCLK .
FCLK put 1900Mhz. RAM set to 3800Mhz , but you need to loosen your timings or up your VDIMM. From my experience , if you wanna do CL14 at 3800Mhz with a Samsung B-die, you need 1.5VDIMM and enable GearDownMode. And TRCD I cannot make it fully stable at 14 neither, I can do 15 only for 100% stable.
I think you are overly conservative with your memory voltage.

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jul 14 2020, 09:29 PM)
Guys, need your help. I just bought G.Skill Trident Z Royal 3600MHz C18 16GB (2x8GB) kits (2 kits for a total of 32GB) and using it with Threadripper 2950x
Unfortunately I can never get it to run stable with the XMP profile, games always crashes

I don't OC my CPU as I'm not an overclocker just want to run everything at stock speed
Definitely not RAM issue because if I install it on my other system with Ryzen 2600X, everything runs just fine

The RAM kits: F4-3600C18D-16GTRG
https://www.gskill.com/product/165/299/1552...35V16GB-(2x8GB)

My motherboard is ASRock Fatal1ty X399 Professional Gaming running latest BIOS v3.80

Any advise? Do you think if I upgrade to 3950X with X570 motherboard it would run stable on the XMP Profile? Was originally saving my money for Ryzen 5000 + DDR5
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That is Zen + for you. What do you expect Zen + to clock like Zen 2? No way. That is the Zen + memory controller limitation.
If it even boots at 3200Mhz , you should consider yourself lucky already. And you should have bought a 4 memory stick kit and it is guaranteed to work together. You buy 2 piece , 2 piece like that, sometimes they are not of the same silicon quality. Let me give you an example, I have 2 kits of 4400Mhz CL19 RAM, 1 pair of them can do 1.5V 3800Mhz CL14, another pair needs 1.54V to do the same clocks.

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sHawTY send me a snap of the sticker of the 4 sticks.

It might very well be that you will not be able to use these with the XMP setting.
You have to remember you're on Zen+, those max out way earlier compared to Zen2 based chips when it comes to memory frequencies. And there's great variance. The fact that your 2600x is fine with the kits doesn't mean another 2600x will be. Actually your 2600x is already doing great if it really runs all 4 of them stable.

You might get away with adjusting timings or resistances yourself. If not you'll have to drop to a slightly lower frequency.

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jul 14 2020, 11:49 PM)
Let me give you an example, I have 2 kits of 4400Mhz CL19 RAM, 1 pair of them can do 1.5V 3800Mhz CL14, another pair needs 1.54V to do the same clocks.
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Your point is completely right but your example is flawed tongue.gif

Those 4400 kits have great strengths with tCL & tRFC. That's what they were binned for after all.
But then, they often are quite bad when it comes to ras to cas values and tRP.
So if you clock it to a lower frequency but tighten timings at the same time it's obvious that something like this is going to happen. This could happen to you with a 4 DIMM-Kit as well... because they haven't been binned for 3800C14 (with low ras->cas/tRP) but for 4400C19.

Oh n for if u drop tRCDRD and tRP on your kit a bit you might very well be able to get away with 1.45V or less for 3800C14.


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QUOTE(nrw @ Jul 15 2020, 09:47 AM)
sHawTY send me a snap of the sticker of the 4 sticks.
Will do once I'm back at home
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You might get away with adjusting timings or resistances yourself. If not you'll have to drop to a slightly lower frequency.
I did, now running at 3200MHz @ 16-17-17-34 though still at 1.35 volt, will try to lower the voltage a little bit later
Didn't do much stress test yesterday. Only benchmark using 3DMark/AC Odyssey/Far Cry 5/Far Cry New Dawn/Red Dead Redemption 2/Shadow of the Tomb Raider/Unigine Superposition/Blender so far so good

I don't need tight timings, just want a stable system. But I did try 3200MHz @ 14-14-14-34 @ 1.35 volt yesterday, cannot boot laugh.gif
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QUOTE(nrw @ Jul 9 2020, 06:28 PM)
sometimes for voltages and stability more is less wink.gif

Try 1.05-1.1V for SOC.
Try VDDG within ranges of  0.95-1.05V (synced meaning iod & ccd)
Try CLDO VDDP in ranges from 0.855 - 1.05V

Once it boots test stability by running aida64 stress cache and streaming a high resolution video at the same time.

If your usb devices/mouse is jerky that will mostly be down to VDDP/VDDG, if your sound is intermittent or fully crashes that'll be either the two above or vSOC.

Good luck. Pretty often if you are willing to spend some time there, you can find a combination of these 3 voltages that will allow your IF to run stable at a higher frequency that auto settings will allow you to.
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I tried, still 1900 FCLK is impossible on this R5 3600, guess it just doesn’t like it at all, almost instantaneously goes into 07 post code.

I’m currently playing around with 1867 FCLK and 3733Mhz on ram. Don’t have much time to tighten the timings yet.

QUOTE(k!nex @ Jul 14 2020, 11:32 PM)
Dont put vSoC at 1.15V. You put 1.1V also good enough already. You might need to up your VDDP to 1V . Dont use that LN2 mode.
In your BIOS, there is 1 option call  UCLK DIV1 MODE, you set UCLK==MEMCLK .
FCLK put 1900Mhz. RAM set to 3800Mhz , but you need to loosen your timings or up your VDIMM. From my experience , if you wanna do CL14 at 3800Mhz with a Samsung B-die, you need 1.5VDIMM and enable GearDownMode. And TRCD I cannot make it fully stable at 14 neither, I can do 15 only for 100% stable.
I think you are overly conservative with your memory voltage.
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I tried your method, still couldn’t boot with 1900 FCLK, this cpu just can’t do it I guess. Will play around at 3733 and hopefully bring it to be stable at C14.
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//fixed memclk (thanks lolzkalvin) and updated with your tested config CAL V, have a shot!

yellow ones are where you can improve (tRC, tRRDL, and tWTRL will only boost your bandwidth a little, tRFC will boost both latency & bandwidth).
light-green ones are those you already have tighter than my initial suggestion. keep them since they are stable.

note that BGS (BankGroupSwap) should be Enabled for SR DIMMS (2*8GB) and disabled for DR DIMMS (2*16GB)
BGS_Alt will always be the opposite of BGS

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After some tweaking and here's where I am now. HCI memtest 200% stable (late already, I'm going to bed sweat.gif )

MSI X570 Unify | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600C16 (B-die) 2x8GB | DDR4-3733 14-15-14-28-1T @ 1.48v | VSOC @ 1.1v | VDDG @ 1.0v | VDDP @ 0.925v
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Changed to use HCI memtest instead of runmemtest as the version I used just felt a little odd somehow. Per nrw's suggestion before, I could have ran into insufficient memory and caused the memtest coverage to differ significantly. My available system memory in task manager was 14.2GB, running 1200MB*12 memtest definitely blew that.


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have a shot CAL V
What I got here is somewhat similar to what you have suggested, but I was already running memtest just now. I'll adjust those timings again. 66.3ns is an improvement over 3600C14 last time but still far from good, some got theirs to 61~62ns. Maybe at 1867 fclk instead of 1900 hindered my chance of going that low on latency?

Does clock speed affect the time taken for memtest? Average clock speed was down to 3.8Ghz and temperature got up to 84c. I also tried your method of running aida64 stress cache and playing 4k video on YT simultaneously. The temps spiked to 92c after 2 minutes and kept rising even with 3 SGT1850 blowing full speed at it sweat.gif. Really need to get my custom wc running asap.

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lets start with latency; don't bother too much as those low values you see are done with cpu OC which has a significant impact on latency. a clean system with hardly any background processes can make quite a change, too. some ppl will even use 2+0 ccx mode meaning they will use 2 cores from one ccx hence avoiding latency penalties from using cores from different cores then communicating over the IO die. do all of these together with some crazy ram oc (on air) and you will see values of ~55ns.

n ye clock speed does affect coverage duration.
those temps for stressing cache only,... phew laugh.gif torture

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jul 15 2020, 11:18 PM)
have a shot CAL V
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hmm MCLK is 1733 for 3733? not the same with FCLK? confused dy..
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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Jul 17 2020, 07:30 PM)
hmm MCLK is 1733 for 3733? not the same with FCLK? confused dy..
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my mistake obviously, thanks biggrin.gif 3733.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jul 17 2020, 08:39 PM)
my mistake obviously, thanks biggrin.gif 3733.
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ehhh jangan, i think memclk is 1866 instead of exactly 3733 biggrin.gif that's why i mentioned should be the same with FCLK..later the RAM tries to boot at 7466MHz.. this time im the one who got confused..mclk is 3733, uclk baru is 1866, sorry nrw boss

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thanks for the input. I edited my excel file.

edit: nah you're fine, no need to strike through, you were right.
I should have either written 3733MT/s MCLK or 1866MHz MCLK laugh.gif

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jul 15 2020, 11:18 PM)
//fixed memclk (thanks lolzkalvin) and updated with your tested config CAL V, have a shot!

yellow ones are where you can improve (tRC, tRRDL, and tWTRL will only boost your bandwidth a little, tRFC will boost both latency & bandwidth).
light-green ones are those you already have tighter than my initial suggestion. keep them since they are stable.

note that BGS (BankGroupSwap) should be Enabled for SR DIMMS (2*8GB) and disabled for DR DIMMS (2*16GB)
BGS_Alt will always be the opposite of BGS
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@nrw can i use this settings? drool.gif drool.gif

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@nrw can i use this settings?  drool.gif  drool.gif

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tongue.gif nah ur on relatively tight micron e-die timings for 3733 already
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some fun with value ram with MFR... smile.gif

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bdie @ kiasi mode runnin 3800 @ 16-17-16

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Has anyone tried to overclock Patriot Viper RAM 3200MHZ CL16 ?

I recently bought this for 4 sticks. Wondering how much this ram can goes up and how much able to tighten the timings?

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Is the Trfc usually this high? mine's 880. shocking.gif
Ram in question is a t-force vulcan z 32GB 3200mhz CL16 with a micron D9XPF that i cant find much info online.

I got these 2X16GB for RM390 used so i shouldn't complain much, but would like to know more about these ram... or areas where i can improve.

currently it's just on XMP and tweaked the TRC to the rated 56 because auto was 73. aida64 bench latency shows 81ns shocking.gif
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QUOTE(AnGakMan @ Jul 30 2020, 01:44 PM)
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Has anyone tried to overclock Patriot Viper RAM 3200MHZ CL16 ?

I recently bought this for 4 sticks. Wondering how much this ram can goes up and how much able to tighten the timings?

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pls use thaiphoon burner to check what's d chip insude to have better idea what timing to set. ryzen dram calculator will help. should d frequency u want to run is above what calculator can offer, go google. smile.gif

QUOTE(Bonchi @ Aug 1 2020, 02:25 AM)
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Is the Trfc usually this high? mine's 880.  shocking.gif
Ram in question is a t-force vulcan z 32GB 3200mhz CL16 with a micron D9XPF that i cant find much info online.

I got these 2X16GB for RM390 used so i shouldn't complain much, but would like to know more about these ram... or areas where i can improve.

currently it's just on XMP and tweaked the TRC to the rated 56 because auto was 73. aida64 bench latency shows 81ns  shocking.gif
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i'd say trfc is way too loose. try 650ns if stable further reduce by like 20/30ns, if not try to increase slowly from 650ns. my 2 cents thou myself not really good in ram efficiency. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 2 2020, 10:47 AM)
i'd say trfc is way too loose. try 650ns if stable further reduce by like 20/30ns, if not try to increase slowly from 650ns. my 2 cents thou myself not really good in ram efficiency.  sweat.gif
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really cant find much info on these micron to know what it is supposed to run at...maybe cuz it's new?
XMP tends to go haywire with the sub timings but i also dont wanna unknowingly overclock this ram too much and face random stability issues... ughhhh.

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3700x all core overclock to 4.3ghz on 1.2875v, is that too much? Max temp 81C on very rare spikes, but average around 75-77C.

Haven't tried prime 95 yet but loaded worldcommunitygrid to try folding on all core workload. Seems stable for 24 hours.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Aug 3 2020, 12:17 AM)
really cant find much info on these micron to know what it is supposed to run at...maybe cuz it's new?
XMP tends to go haywire with the sub timings but i also dont wanna unknowingly overclock this ram too much and face random stability issues... ughhhh.
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i'd say u can follow micron b die which is inferior than e die in dram calculator & see how it goes. if stable then go tightened it. smile.gif

QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 3 2020, 12:03 PM)
3700x all core overclock to 4.3ghz on 1.2875v, is that too much? Max temp 81C on very rare spikes, but average around 75-77C.

Haven't tried prime 95 yet but loaded worldcommunitygrid to try folding on all core workload. Seems stable for 24 hours.
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i wouldn't manually oc ryzen 3k, might degrade ya chip in long run. cool it as much as u can then let pbo does its job is d safer way to go. i could be wrong thou. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 3 2020, 12:19 PM)
i'd say u can follow micron b die which is inferior than e die in dram calculator & see how it goes. if stable then go tightened it. smile.gif
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https://www.bilibili.com/read/mobile/6393757

hmm looks like it doesnt like to be tight. found some reviews on china sites that talks about trfc. i guess i wil start from 600.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Aug 3 2020, 01:00 PM)
https://www.bilibili.com/read/mobile/6393757

hmm looks like it doesnt like to be tight. found some reviews on china sites that talks about trfc. i guess i wil start from 600.
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 3 2020, 12:19 PM)

i wouldn't manually oc ryzen 3k, might degrade ya chip in long run. cool it as much as u can then let pbo does its job is d safer way to go.  i could be wrong thou.  sweat.gif
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that was initially my plan, but when i see it go 1.47-1.48v at 4-4.1ghz, i kinda feel something off, seriously don't know what the heck going to happen on this kind of voltage in longer term. The temperature was similar to my manual settings, so...i don't know....i'll do more observations between my manual settings and letting pbo to do the job. Thanks for the tip regardless smile.gif

hopefully, they can better manage the parameters on the 4000 series or maybe with AM5 when can implement a whole new platform.

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 3 2020, 01:52 PM)
that was initially my plan, but when i see it go 1.47-1.48v at 4-4.1ghz, i kinda feel something off, seriously don't know what the heck going to happen on this kind of voltage in longer term. The temperature was similar to my manual settings, so...i don't know....i'll do more observations between my manual settings and letting pbo to do the job. Thanks for the tip regardless smile.gif

hopefully, they can better manage the parameters on the 4000 series or maybe with AM5 when can implement a whole new platform.
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try to use overrid vid (vcore) + offset, i remember reading somewhere saying manual oc will degrade d chip in long run. i think i had d same issue on my 3500x. now on 3600 i dare not to run manual anymore. with offset i managed to keep d load vcore at 135v ish, which is pretty fair i would say. smile.gif

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 3 2020, 02:22 PM)
try to use overrid vid (vcore) + offset, i remember reading somewhere saying manual oc will degrade d chip in long run. i think i had d same issue on my 3500x. now on 3600 i dare not to run manual anymore. with offset i managed to keep d load vcore at 135v ish, which is pretty fair i would say.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 3 2020, 01:40 PM)
after some google sessions i saw these chips being used on 32gb modules. ya 2x 16GB must be single sided perhaps?  unsure.gif
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currently on memtest on the 3rd hour with trfc at 600.. 32GB is taking a bloody long time but thanks to that aida64 bench mark is 46GB read and 74ns latency. Pretty decent stats now.
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why not running try them at 3733/3800 Bonchi?
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why not running try them at 3733/3800 Bonchi?
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Im just lazy because it's build in an ITX case and to reset the CMOS jumper is super troublesome if i encounter boot stability with overclocking. sweat.gif Im happy if it can run at a full potential benchmark on 3200mhz CL16. Maybe will try pushing to 3600 when i take the board out to do cleaning in the future.
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lazy but wanting to have low latency tongue.gif

well to assist in that case, you could try these on 3733 or 3800 (if you know your IF can do that)
micron b-dies are not that bad.
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Anyone got experience with "Kingston" C-die?

Feel like is bootleg SK Hynix C-die to me because DRAM calculator settings doesn't work and manual overclock only get 3533 16-19-19-37@1.4V.

Dunno is bad silicon lottery or is bootleg.

Even kingston don't want put full information when reading with Thaiphoon Burner.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Aug 3 2020, 05:52 PM)
lazy but wanting to have low latency  tongue.gif

well to assist in that case, you could try these on 3733 or 3800 (if you know your IF can do that)
micron b-dies are not that bad.
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HAHA that's why im just looking for the common 3200mhz average stock settings because you know... xmp dont fully work with amd and those "auto" settings will go crazy like my trfc becomes 880 on the xmp sweat.gif

These are not the B-die but D9XPF ..... which are still pretty much undocumented and seems to appear only on high capacity server rams or the corsair 32GB sticks. So it's quite a surprised for me to see it on these team vulcanZ... which i was expecting to see hynix.

Well, i got this at RM390 so i didnt bother to do much research about it. After that trfc tweak, it seems to be up to standard now and im finally getting back those FPS (upgraded from a hynix 16GB 3200mhz). Maybe one day when i have time, I will push it a little to 3600mhz and post my outcome here biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(AssToast @ Aug 4 2020, 01:45 PM)
Anyone got experience with "Kingston" C-die?

Feel like is bootleg SK Hynix C-die to me because DRAM calculator settings doesn't work and manual overclock only get 3533 16-19-19-37@1.4V.

Dunno is bad silicon lottery or is bootleg.

Even kingston don't want put full information when reading with Thaiphoon Burner.

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3600 ish @ 16 19 19 (or 16 20 20) sounds pretty much like cjr/cfr. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Aug 4 2020, 02:03 PM)
These are not the B-die but D9XPF
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D9XPF is just the fbga code for their 16Gb density dies. And those are micron revision b.
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QUOTE(nrw @ Aug 4 2020, 03:08 PM)
D9XPF is just the fbga code for their 16Gb density dies. And those are micron revision b.
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exactly sir. smile.gif

https://www.micron.com/products/dram/ddr4-s...mt40a2g8va-062e
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 3 2020, 03:54 PM)
Mind elaborating more on what you observed with your previous 3500x?
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degraded.... used to run 4.2Ghz manually with 1.325v, but after 2 months not prime stable anymore. sad.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 4 2020, 02:27 PM)
3600 ish @ 16 19 19  (or 16 20 20) sounds pretty much like cjr/cfr. smile.gif
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Results from hynix manufactured c-die seem to have tighter timings, usually see 3600 16-18-18@1.35.

Therefore I'm questioning isit due to lottery or lower manufacturing standards by Kingston but it could be my MB limits too.

I can get my secondary timings pretty tight but the biggest let down is tRFC, best i could do is 315ns.


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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 4 2020, 03:18 PM)
degraded.... used to run 4.2Ghz manually with 1.325v, but after 2 months not prime stable anymore.  sad.gif
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1.325 vcore b4 vdroop? whaaa that's seriously rapid degradation for this voltage.
you sure this is not down to temp or other variables?


for myself I always check what the lowest voltage (on stock) is for some specific prime95 runs. that voltage is then my safe voltage for all core oc.
but so far I haven't had a chip where I wouldn't lose single core performance if I applied a static (ccx/ccd) oc.
however with some of those more recent chips I am pretty sure (especially the 3100-3600) might see quite a few of them being able to profit from it.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Aug 4 2020, 04:07 PM)
1.325 vcore b4 vdroop? whaaa that's seriously rapid degradation for this voltage.
you sure this is not down to temp or other variables?
for myself I always check what the lowest voltage (on stock) is for some specific prime95 runs. that voltage is then my safe voltage for all core oc.
but so far I haven't had a chip where I wouldn't lose single core performance if I applied a static (ccx/ccd) oc.
however with some of those more recent chips I am pretty sure (especially the 3100-3600) might see quite a few of them being able to profit from it.
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yup sir, b4. always take bios vcore as std. temp has always been normal, albeit on slightly high side (small fft at lower 80s), i hardly prime nowadays so i doubt it's temp degraded d chip. sad.gif

used to be a hardcore static oc practitioner but given how hot it's when primed (i'm not talking about crazy oc) i've totally give in to pbo setup nowadays. gettin old i guess... tongue.gif

QUOTE(AssToast @ Aug 4 2020, 03:19 PM)
Results from hynix manufactured c-die seem to have tighter timings, usually see 3600 16-18-18@1.35.

Therefore I'm questioning isit due to lottery or lower manufacturing standards by Kingston but it could be my MB limits too.

I can get my secondary timings pretty tight but the biggest let down is tRFC, best i could do is 315ns.
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16 18 18 is abit pushing it, higher volts & perhaps a better imc & board needed. hmm.gif

i'd say gkskill sniper series is decent yet their XMP is rated 3600 @ 19 19 19 iirc, using cfr too (correct me if i'm wrong). cfr/cjr is capable for high frequency with loose timing, yup, i'm talking about above 4k. in term of personal preference, i would rate:

1. micron e die (high frequency, low volt, medium timing)
2. samsung b die (high frequency, high volt, best timing)
3. hynix cjr/cfr (medium frequency, medium volt, loose timing)

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D9XPF is just the fbga code for their 16Gb density dies. And those are micron revision b.
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I see.. so it’s still called a B when the density and fabrication node is different.

owell guess i got a not so ideal stick. nowonder it’s so cheap (32gb for rm390 used) i probably shouldnt complain since im able to keep it under 75ns in aida64 bench with 45gb/s read

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Aug 5 2020, 11:59 AM)
I see.. so it’s still called a B when the density and fabrication node is different.

owell guess i got a not so ideal stick. nowonder it’s so cheap (32gb for rm390 used) i probably shouldnt complain since im able to keep it under 75ns in aida64 bench with 45gb/s read
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Maybe ur messing things up in your mind with Samsung B-Die. Every Micron rev. B (also called Micron B-Die frequently) has the same density 16Gb(2GB as you noticed) and is done on the same node. Whats different is just if they slap 8 on a stick (single rank like urs) or 16 (dual rank) like crucial does for their 2x32GB kits.

Just try what I suggested with 3733MHz. Save a profile before doing and if it doesnt work you hardly wasted time...

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micron b pretty much max out @ 3600 @ 18 22 22 (16gb kit) from what i tested b4. i'd expect slightly lower for 32gb kit but worth a shot @ slightly higher frequency. smile.gif

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QUOTE(nrw @ Aug 5 2020, 01:47 PM)
Maybe ur messing things up in your mind with Samsung B-Die. Every Micron rev. B (also called Micron B-Die frequently) has the same density 16Gb(2GB as you noticed) and is done on the same node. Whats different is just if they slap 8 on a stick (single rank like urs) or 16 (dual rank) like crucial does for their 2x32GB kits.

Just try what I suggested with 3733MHz. Save a profile before doing and if it doesnt work you hardly wasted time...
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i thought the micron b-die is refering specifically to the D9TBH which is a 8gb density on a 20nm node.

My bios is a msi lite bios because it’s a non max version.. tends to not boot at all if the setting is not right which will require to use a cmos jumper.

Currently work from home so i need my pc to be reliable and up at all times. Will definitely push this kit when this is over although not too optimistic about it haha.. probably not going beyond 1.37v

Edit:
Well i had an MC today so i just tried to push a little bit since im bored sweat.gif Did a 3 hours memtest86 with 0 errors.

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I have lowered dram voltage to 1.35, vddp to 0.92 and vddg to 1 at the moment..and will be doing memtest overnight. Are these settings ok?

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pretty much what can be done already, but no shame at all for a pair of 32gb kit bought @ RM3xx. overachieved i'd say. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Aug 6 2020, 09:31 AM)
pretty much what can be done already, but no shame at all for a pair of 32gb kit bought @ RM3xx. overachieved i'd say.  thumbup.gif
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Did the overnight run and it has 0 errors. Seems like this is good to go biggrin.gif .. i guess teamgroup really did stick to their claims of using the best binned chips.

probably can hit 50+gbps read on aida's benchmark if i try to lower the trfc but i heard that this could potentially damage data without showing errors in memtest.. Is that true?

Thanks for everyone's opinions and tips here notworthy.gif

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Update: Final result, this kit doesn't like lower tRCD's and tRFC. Other than that it's pretty much perfect.
Now just gotta see if I can drop voltage a tiny bit without losing stability.
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is msi tomahawk b550 + ryzen 5600 + ddr4 adata ok?
or any recommended mobo? high end too pricy 2k crazy
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cyberloner wrong thread (you should go hardware section) but ... yeah more than OK, if you don't need any special connectivity/featureset you could even be getting a cheaper board than the tomahawk.

edit: there's another thread with the same question just today: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5046814
can refer to chocobo.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Oct 18 2020, 03:32 PM)
Update: Final result, this kit doesn't like lower tRCD's and tRFC. Other than that it's pretty much perfect.
Now just gotta see if I can drop voltage a tiny bit without losing stability.
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What rams are these?
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can see from ZenTimings (F4-3200C14-32GVK)

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Alright, just got a 5900x & 5600x installed in my rigs.
Both are retail samples so no binned/selected review samples.
(special thanks to the two guys helping me to source these chips. much appreciated!)
Not so special thanks to AMD who put a 10% mark up on international pricing.
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To be updated whenever I have done more testing.

Rig 1: 5900x | B550i Strix | 2x16GB B-Dies | RTX 3080
Rig 2: 5600x | X570 Unify | 2x16GB B-Dies | RTX 2080

CPU OC Rig 1 (CB20):
Ambient: 28°C, Custom Loop, Fans&Pump silent
BIOS Settings (other than those directly connected to RAM):
1) Pure Stock + [+200MHz Clock Override]
2) Pure Stock with adjusted Voltage & Multipliers
3) Stock + [PPT 300 | TDC 250 | EDC 250] + [Manual Scalar 1x] + [+200MHz Clock Override] + [Global C-State Control (Enabled)] + [L1 & L2 HW Prefetecher (Enabled)] + [(Power Supply Idle Control (Low Current Idle)] + [CPPC & CPPC Preferred Cores (Enabled)]

Score for MC is rounded 5 run average, Score for SC is single run. HWinfo64 was active during all runs for monitoring.

Above Setting Voltage (V) actual Temperature in °C Clock in GhZ Score MC (Score SC)
1 1.112 64 ~4.17 8220 (620)
2 1.325 85 4.6 9158
2 1.325 85 4.7/4.6 9244
2 1.325 85 4.725/4.625 9293
3 1.275 77 ~4.35 8704 (631)

The adjusted stock setting with unlocked PPT/TDC/EDC is my clear favorite. Not static so I am not losing any single core boosts and the stability is flawless and temp on the safe side even on heavier loads than CB20.
Do note the static overclocks were just stable in CB20.

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Boosting:
AMD defined 4650MHz, 4825MHz, 4950MHz, 5050MHz in the 1.1.0.0 v2 AGESA. (5600x, 5800x, 5900x, 5950x).
On my Rig 1 it looks like this though:
5600x will boost to 4650MHz when running stock.
5900x will boost to 4950MHz when running stock.

So they are over delivering as these are boosts that are utilized under actual (light) loads and not in idle.
They have learned this lesson!

Once you set Max CPU Boost Clock Override to +200MHz you can see up to that being added to your chip. My 5900x maxed out at +125. My 5600x goes all the way up to 4850.
5900x:
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Core CCD Max. Clock GHz (single)
0 1 5.075
1 1 4.975
2 1 4.875
3 1 5.075
4 1 4.875
5 1 4.950
6 2 4.675
7 2 4.775
8 2 4.775
9 2 4.675
10 2 4.625
11 2 4.650

5600x:
Core CCD Max. Clock GHz (single)
0 1 4.850
1 1 4.850
2 1 4.850
3 1 4.850
4 1 4.850
5 1 4.850

Much improvement on this side. These max clocks are like a dream coming from Zen2.
Binning scheme of CPU's same as Zen2. One great CCD (4.875GHz worst cores) one average CCD (4.625GHz worst core).
If you guys want to compare boosts of your chip: run THIS tool for 5 mins and check clocks during this time using HWInfo64.

CURVE OC
This feature basically allows you to add voltage to your weaker cores (while optionally taking off voltage of your better ones).
Taking the cores up there, you could add 15mV to core 1, 30mV to core 2, 30mV to core 4, and 20mV to core 5 in order to make them boost ever so slightly higher.
It's a super useful feature that I am surprised not to find much on just yet.

Temperature Stability / Spikes during Desktop activities:
You surely remember your Zen2 being really nervous on Idle or Low load states, very quickly boosting up to be responsive.
All to the expensive of temperature and especially noise on stock coolers. Power plans were able to fix it but not many were aware.

So have we seen any improvements here?
YES. On true idle its rock stable. The voltage doesn't spike.
My temperature sticks on 33 and never changes. Regardless of being in high performance or balanced power plan.

On low load it takes much higher loards to trigger boosts and those boosts don't last long.
While I can't comment for stock cooling (I use a beefy custom loop) I can still see that the window of fluctuation is just 5°K.
This was more like 15°K on Zen2.
Great job, AMD. Can't wait to see a more budget 5600.
This will be a crazy "hot" selling chip.

RAM/IF Teaser:
Be cautious when you see Aida64 Memory Benchmarks on Zen3 (not optimized yet)

For older versions like v6.25.540 results look like this:
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For the new v6.30.550 results are like this:
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I think this difference is due to the newer version not including cache in those numbers any longer.
Use THIS tool to check your timings.
For Zen3 there is only a working beta version that they did not put on the page yet.

** RAM OC is postponed due to the current AGESA on Rig 1 is not allowing for the FLCK to exceed 1900. Hurry up AMD & ASUS smile.gif **

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Gaming Section:

Gaming benchmarks will be on request.
If you have a game and wonder what my rig will do just drop me a detailed PM (game settings etc.) and if I have the game I can test.
That's because most benchmarks by good reviewers out there already are quite good.

SoTR:
1080p - 5900x 2 ccd's (stock with 3800c14 2x16GB) - 3080 2100MHz locked
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1080p - 5900X 2ccd's (stock with 3800c14 2x16GB) - 3080 1950MHz locked
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1080p - 5900X (5600x simulated) 1ccd (stock with 3800c14 2x16GB) - 3080 1950MHz locked
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1440p - 5900X 2ccd's (stock with 3800c14 2x16GB) - 3080 1950Mhz locked
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1440p - 5900X (5600x simulated) 1ccd (stock with 3800c14 2x16GB) - 3080 1950Mhz locked
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To those saying RAM OC is a waste of time.
Have a look at what the benefit is like between a 3800 setting with adjusted sub timings and a 3200C14 one running XMP.
1080p - 5900x 2 ccd's (stock with 3200c14 (XMP) 2x16GB) - 3080 2100MHz locked
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1x proper Ram OC on maxed out settings in 1080p:
+30% CPU Game Render (Min)
+14% CPU Game Render (Max)
+18% CPU Game Render (Avg)
+10% Raw FPS
CPU Bound: from 61% -> 50% CPU Bound

1080p the 5900x still has quite something of offer over the 5600x in SOTR.
For high graphic settings, 1440p however is where things change and the simulated 5600x (albeit on the quick CCD which clocks higher) is just as fast as the 5900x.
SOTTR? 1440p with 3080/3090 or equivalent? 5600x will be just fine.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 8 2020, 05:53 PM)
This is good suggestion, thanks!

I actually made it more clear on the follow up video actually, that it's loaded from XMP and adjusted speed.
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Which is why you got a honest thumbs up.
Mentioning its a review sample, being clear about what you do and why you do it.
Like that everyone can decide if it's worth looking into it and spending time, or not.

And one more thing regarding GN and your facebook post.
I'm well aware that their reviews are super detailed, and with all the money coming in at their side and the manpower they got this better be this way. Otherwise they wouldn't deserve all those subscribers.
But that doesn't change that anytime they get deeper into the matter (especially on overclocking) they do lots of mistakes themselves.
So last time I pointed out they didn't understand how Nvidia cards clock.
Another example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkGu6A-6sQ
They just now only discovered that 4 way memory interleaving exists.
And the way he talks they didn't get that either. Otherwise he would have tested 4x8 vs 2x16 and would have had an AHAAAAA event taking place.
So when I say "their reviews are fine for basic stuff" I don't mean that what they do is basic (you get spammed with tables that any1 not having studied statistics must get annoyed by from time to time) but that anytime they go deep they do mistakes, just like we all do.
So now ... because of this review ppl will think wow +10% performance, lets go and buy 4x8GB kits. Which is exactly the wrong conclusion.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 8 2020, 06:07 PM)
Which is why you got a honest thumbs up.
Mentioning its a review sample, being clear about what you do and why you do it.
Like that everyone can decide if it's worth looking into it and spending time, or not.
Thanks, glad to hear that.

QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 8 2020, 06:07 PM)
So when I say "their reviews are fine for basic stuff" I don't mean that what they do is basic (you get spammed with tables that any1 not having studied statistics must get annoyed by from time to time) but that anytime they go deep they do mistakes, just like we all do.
So now ... because of this review ppl will think wow +10% performance, lets go and buy 4x8GB kits. Which is exactly the wrong conclusion.
LOL don't get me started on their AIO video.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 8 2020, 06:07 PM)
Which is why you got a honest thumbs up.
Mentioning its a review sample, being clear about what you do and why you do it.
Like that everyone can decide if it's worth looking into it and spending time, or not.

And one more thing regarding GN and your facebook post.
I'm well aware that their reviews are super detailed, and with all the money coming in at their side and the manpower they got this better be this way. Otherwise they wouldn't deserve all those subscribers.
But that doesn't change that anytime they get deeper into the matter (especially on overclocking) they do lots of mistakes themselves.
So last time I pointed out they didn't understand how Nvidia cards clock.
Another example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkGu6A-6sQ
They just now only discovered that 4 way memory interleaving exists.
And the way he talks they didn't get that either. Otherwise he would have tested 4x8 vs 2x16 and would have had an AHAAAAA event taking place.
So when I say "their reviews are fine for basic stuff" I don't mean that what they do is basic (you get spammed with tables that any1 not having studied statistics must get annoyed by from time to time) but that anytime they go deep they do mistakes, just like we all do.
So now ... because of this review ppl will think wow +10% performance, lets go and buy 4x8GB kits. Which is exactly the wrong conclusion.
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That 4 way interleaving even i myself get some very confusing results. I did a benchmark with 4 DIMM and 2 DIMM 8GB sticks. Same timings. I lost some read speed, but gain some copy speed if i go from 2 DIMM to 4 DIMM. I thought I'm supposed to see improvements on both read and copy. shocking.gif

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Nov 8 2020, 11:04 PM)
That 4 way interleaving even i myself get some very confusing results. I did a benchmark with 4 DIMM and 2 DIMM 8GB sticks. Same timings. I lost some read speed, but gain some copy speed if i go from 2 DIMM to 4 DIMM. I thought I'm supposed to see improvements on both read and copy. [...]
Actually in Aida64 Read will be about the same, only copy will see ~2% gains.

But be careful with Aida64... it is highly CPU clock dependent which lets scores go WILD.
Same goes for background tasks or even a Windows that is not clean.
Their new version is better btw, they not taking cache into numbers anymore. So results are more stable.
However easiest way to compare results is to lock CPU speed to some safe value (3.8GHz on Zen2 e.g.) and then run tests to get rid of fluctuations.

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Anyone tried to oc trident Z royal 32gb cl16 3200mhz kit?

Using x570 aorus pro wifi

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Anyone tried to oc trident Z royal 32gb cl16 3200mhz kit?

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try to use thaiphoon burner to check what chipset being used. if u get cfr/cfr is not bad, but if u get micron e-die it would be perfect.

both capable of 3600mhz (so called ideal frequency for ryzen) but edie offers better timing & possibly performance due to lower latency. i might be wrong though. sweat.gif

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For those who asked about DJR results (Klevv Bolt XR 32GB (2x16GB) 3600). For my own convenience I tested with a Renoir APU.
This is my first DJR kit. I have 1 more laying around which will be tested later on.

Don't bother about latency too much, this is due to the utilization of the Vega Cores.

1) Hynix DJR DR 32GB fine tuned 1:1:1 4000
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2) Hynix DJR DR 32GB transferred 4000 timings (adjusted primaries and tRFC) 1:1:1 3800
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3) Micron Rev. E DR 32GB fine tuned 1:1:1 3800 for direct comparison
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As you can tell this DJR kit is slightly better than average Rev. E kit.

For now I'd still prefer Rev. E though as they are
1) pretty easy to OC
2) they hardly make any issues on XMP (the DJR kit failed to boot on XMP)
3) there is little variation between kits

For those who know what they are doing DJR seems to be worth a shot especially if priced at RM600 which imho is a steal.
Even cheaper than Rev. E kits (which unfortunately are not available in exclusive kits in Malaysia).

Disclaimer:
Technically Klevv could change the IC's of this kit at any time since the timings 18-22-22 @1.35V would allow quite some IC's to be used.
So no guarantees from my side ESPECIALLY as they chose to ignore my email inquiry on this that I sent 2 weeks ago. So don't expect good service from them either.

Oh and just before some get too much into comparing Aida64 numbers... don't compare between different rigs. It depends quite a bit on clock and cache, and it's quite easy to cheat here n there tongue.gif
have a look at the read laugh.gif
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Is there any AGESA version requirement to push RAM above 3733?

Using an Asrock Phantom Gaming ITX + 5800X on the latest BIOS, I can get relatively low timings on 3733 but the board always fails to POST at 3800. Doubt it's the RAM sticks as I'm using Crucial Ballistix 3200C16, these should be able to handle anything on Ryzen at 1:1 with IF clock.

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Is there any AGESA version requirement to push RAM above 3733?

Using an Asrock Phantom Gaming ITX + 5800X on the latest BIOS, I can get relatively low timings on 3733 but the board always fails to POST at 3800. Doubt it's the RAM sticks as I'm using Crucial Ballistix 3200C16, these should be able to handle anything on Ryzen at 1:1 with IF clock.
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Ah you'd have better asked in AMD Ryzen. Didn't see this here.

Try the latest Beta BIOS and the latest 'final release'.

Lets say you don't touch ram and let it default to 2667/2400 will the PC boot with IF set to 1900?

Basically there could be a few things you could try to do.

You could try different VSoC voltages between 1.075 and 1.125V.
Then since you have an 5800x you'd want to set VDDG CCD to something between 0.950 and 0.975V (if you have 2 ccd's can try adding another 0.05 to the max end but that's irrelevant for your 5800x)
VDDG IOD you'll have to set to 0.950-0.975V (sometimes up to 1.050V can work as a failsave or if ram got a2/b2 pcb (which you do not))
VDDP (unrelated to IF as this is the physical layer from IOD to DDR) should work at 0.900V. Don't set this too high. You can try to adjust this +-0.015 but usually thats not necessary at these RAM speeds.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jan 21 2021, 06:21 PM)
Ah you'd have better asked in AMD Ryzen. Didn't see this here.

Try the latest Beta BIOS and the latest 'final release'.

Lets say you don't touch ram and let it default to 2667/2400 will the PC boot with IF set to 1900?

Basically there could be a few things you could try to do.

You could try different VSoC voltages between 1.075 and 1.125V.
Then since you have an 5800x you'd want to set VDDG CCD to something between 0.950 and 0.975V (if you have 2 ccd's can try adding another 0.05 to the max end but that's irrelevant for your 5800x)
VDDG IOD you'll have to set to 0.950-0.975V (sometimes up to 1.050V can work as a failsave or if ram got a2/b2 pcb (which you do not))
VDDP (unrelated to IF as this is the physical layer from IOD to DDR) should work at 0.900V. Don't set this too high. You can try to adjust this +-0.015 but usually thats not necessary at these RAM speeds.
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Haven't tried booting with RAM at 2666 JEDEC specs with IF at 1900.

I did try several attempts with the following voltages and very loose timings on 3800:
Vsoc 1.12V
VDDP 1.05V
CCD + IOD 1.05V

Only once did it manage to "boot" into Windows, and crashed shortly after.

3733 so far worked on 1.35V DRAM, 0.9 VDDP, 0.95V CCD+IOD - haven't tried running with lower voltages yet.

Edit: left RAM at 2666 JEDEC specs and tried booting with 1900 IF clock - that worked! Going to try and push RAM to that speeds now.

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Edit: left RAM at 2666 JEDEC specs and tried booting with 1900 IF clock - that worked! Going to try and push RAM to that speeds now.
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make sure work out the voltages you need for your IF to do 1900 stable first.
after that you do ram.

perhaps you didn't set procotd, rtt's, cad's last time? could be the board setting something wrong there on default

ProcODT 32-36.9 should be your range, 32 will do for 99%.
RTT's (nom, wr, park) are 0,0,5 for 2*8GB and 0,3,1 for 2*16GB (with higher frequencies you might wanna try 7,3,1 or 5,3,1 as well.
CAD's all four to 24 (for 0,0,5 or 0,3,1 respectively)... E-Dies are super simple with that.

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Is it okay to ask if anyone overclock their XLR8 Gaming EPIC-X RGB DDR4 3200MHz? Would love to see your settings.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jan 21 2021, 08:00 PM)
make sure work out the voltages you need for your IF to do 1900 stable first.
after that you do ram.

perhaps you didn't set procotd, rtt's, cad's last time? could be the board setting something wrong there on default

ProcODT 32-36.9 should be your range, 32 will do for 99%.
RTT's (nom, wr, park) are 0,0,5 for 2*8GB and 0,3,1 for 2*16GB (with higher frequencies you might wanna try 7,3,1 or 5,3,1 as well.
CAD's all four to 24 (for 0,0,5 or 0,3,1 respectively)... E-Dies are super simple with that.
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I remembered setting for all these values. Weirdly had stability issues booting Windows then.

I've gonna try Ryzen DRAM Calculator safe 3800 values and tightening voltages down from there.

Edit: results so far.

3733 RAM CL16 @ 1.35V + 1866 IF Clock - passes TM5 anta777 extreme config
2666 RAM + 1900 IF Clock - passes TM5 anta config
2666 RAM + 1933 IF Clock - fails to POST
3800 RAM with DRAM Calc safe timings + 1900 IF Clock - crashes half the time when Windows boots, or reboots shortly after starting TM5
3800 RAM with DRAM Calc safe timings for bad bins + 1900 IF Clock - same as above
3800 RAM with DRAM Calc safe timings for bad bins + 1800 IF Clock - passes TM5 anta config
3800 RAM with DRAM Calc safe timings for bad bins + 1866 IF Clock - passes TM5 anta config

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QUOTE(nyunyu @ Jan 21 2021, 08:06 PM)
Is it okay to ask if anyone overclock their XLR8 Gaming EPIC-X RGB DDR4 3200MHz? Would love to see your settings.
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What RAM dies does your RAM kit use, as reported by the Thaiphoon Burner program?
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What RAM dies does your RAM kit use, as reported by the Thaiphoon Burner program?
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Its micron memory

Prepared by Thaiphoon Burner Super Blaster
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MEMORY MODULE
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Manufacturer : PNY Electronics
Series : Not determined
Part Number : 16GF2X08QFHH36-135-K
Serial Number : Undefined
JEDEC DIMM Label : 16GB 2Rx8 PC4-2666V-UB0-11
Architecture : DDR4 SDRAM UDIMM
Speed Grade : DDR4-2666V downbin
Capacity : 16 GB (16 components)
Organization : 2048M x64 (2 ranks)
Register Manufacturer : N/A
Register Model : N/A
Manufacturing Date : Undefined
Manufacturing Location : Unknown: 00h
Revision / Raw Card : 0000h / B0 (8 layers)
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DRAM COMPONENTS
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Manufacturer : Undefined
Part Number : Not determined
Package : Standard Monolithic 78-ball FBGA
Die Density / Count : 8 Gb / 1 die
Composition : 1024Mb x8 (64Mb x8 x 16 banks)
Input Clock Frequency : 1333 MHz (0.750 ns)
Minimum Timing Delays : 19-19-19-43-61
Read Latencies Supported : 20T, 19T, 18T, 17T, 16T, 15T, 14T...
Supply Voltage : 1.20 V
XMP Certified : 1600 MHz / 16-18-18-36-56 / 1.35 V
XMP Extreme : Not programmed
SPD Revision : 1.1 / September 2015
XMP Revision : 2.0 / December 2013
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SOURCE SPD DUMP
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000 23 11 0C 02 85 21 00 08 00 40 00 03 09 03 00 00
010 00 00 06 0D F8 3F 00 00 6E 6E 6E 11 00 6E F0 0A
020 20 08 00 05 00 A8 18 28 28 00 78 00 14 3C 00 00
030 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 16 36 16 36
040 16 36 16 36 00 00 2B 0C 2B 0C 2B 0C 2B 0C 00 00
050 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
060 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
070 00 00 00 00 00 00 9C 00 00 00 00 00 E7 00 09 9A
080 11 11 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 DE 27
100 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140 01 BA 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 31 36 47 46 32 58 30
150 38 51 46 48 48 33 36 2D 31 33 35 2D 4B 00 00 00
160 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
170 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180 0C 4A 05 20 0F 00 00 00 00 A3 00 00 05 00 02 00
190 00 50 5A 5A 10 B4 18 F0 0A 20 08 00 05 00 C0 1C
1A0 28 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0 A1 02 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

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QUOTE(nyunyu @ Jan 22 2021, 04:00 AM)
Its micron memory
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Try using the safe 3733 values in Ryzen DRAM Calculator for Micron revE, if that works maybe shoot for 3800, then tighten timings and reduce voltages.
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Jan 22 2021, 08:38 AM)
Try using the safe 3733 values in Ryzen DRAM Calculator for Micron revE, if that works maybe shoot for 3800, then tighten timings and reduce voltages.
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Thanks for this, will try it.
Btw, how do you know it's rev E?

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If 3800 ram is working with a lower IF then the problem is not the ram.

So you'd have to see if you can tweak voltages as above so you hit the sweet spot and it might start working.

But tbh... at the rate they release new BIOS' (and each of them can change the voltage required theoretically, happened with zen2 quite a bit) ... just run 3733 1:1:1 call it a day and update BIOS mid 2021 n try again then.

Differences super marginal anyways.
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If 3800 ram is working with a lower IF then the problem is not the ram.

So you'd have to see if you can tweak voltages as above so you hit the sweet spot and it might start working.

But tbh... at the rate they release new BIOS' (and each of them can change the voltage required theoretically, happened with zen2 quite a bit) ... just run 3733 1:1:1 call it a day and update BIOS mid 2021 n try again then.

Differences super marginal anyways.
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I've tried the max values for voltages suggested by Ryzen DRAM Calculator:
Vsoc 1.12V (my mobo won't accept 1.125V)
VDDP 1.05V
CCD + IOD 1.05V

Yup I know the differences is marginal and timings will influence gaming results more anyway, but doesn't hurt to try going for RAM testing - far easier than finding the sweet spot with PBO curve optimizer at a per-core basis.

Speaking of PBO Curve Optimizer, what would be the most reliable way to run a stability test for each core? Cinebench seems to be able to root out errors faster than Prime95 for me if it's very unstable, but Prime95 can cause per-core failures or system restarts after 12+ hours running when it passes an hour of Cinebench MT testing. Cinebench doesn't play well with 1T benchmarks and Core Affinity either.
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You should really not put too much trust into the ryzen timing'calc'.
It's not a real calculator as such and hence most of the values proposed are quite shitty.

I think I have described that part up there well enough.
More than often less voltage is better for stability.

You will always have a window where everything will be working smooth.
And based on alot variables this can be large, small or simply non existent.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jan 22 2021, 02:31 PM)
You should really not put too much trust into the ryzen timing'calc'.
It's not a real calculator as such and hence most of the values proposed are quite shitty.

I think I have described that part up there well enough.
More than often less voltage is better for stability.

You will always have a window where everything will be working smooth.
And based on alot variables this can be large, small or simply non existent.
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Oh I know that calc is only good as a starting point and not the end goal - voltages definitely need to be dropped a bit lower than the suggested values there since it's rather lax, and timings can be tightened further.

Only things I haven't tried yet is adjusting RTTs and CADs - so far only tried 0/3/1 RTT and 60/20/20/24 + all 24 respectively. Will do that once I'm done with work for today.

Edit: 3800 still no dice with coupled IF/uncore/DRAM after tweaking procODT/RTT/DrvStr. What's the likelihood of this being a BIOS issue vs a CPU issue?

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Hi guys,

Just rejoined AMD club after more than a decade lol.

Since I'm on stock cooler, not messing with the cpu freqs, just adjusted the curve optimizer per core. Waiting for my waterblock to arrive hehe

IF wise, I can go only up to 1866Mhz. Tried every VSOC and both VDDG possible ranges and still cant post at 1900Mhz. Prolly have to wait on any new bios updates for my B550i AX.

RAM wise, I'm using 2x16GB of Corsair LPX rev 3.44. Thaiphoon indicated Micron Rev B 16Gb chips and there's no starting point available in the DRAM Calc for the target freq (3733Mhz since my IF can only max at 1866Mhz).

So while keeping the VDIMM at 1.35v, VSOC at 1.1v, both VDDG at 0.95v and VDDP at 0.9v, I did the old skool way. Tighten the each timings to get the lowest possible POST, MemTest86 1pass to find errors, if get errors than back up one bit, then rinse and repeat for each.

This is what I get, tested via the bootable Memtest86 standard 4 passes.

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I guess this good enough? Wondering if I can do something with the resistance stuff (ProcODT & DriveStrengths) to get better primaries, 18-21-17-33 looks weird, but hey it works tongue.gif

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QUOTE(x800 @ Jan 31 2021, 08:15 AM)
Hi guys,

Just rejoined AMD club after more than a decade lol.

Since I'm on stock cooler, not messing with the cpu freqs, just adjusted the curve optimizer per core. Waiting for my waterblock to arrive hehe

IF wise, I can go only up to 1866Mhz. Tried every VSOC and both VDDG possible ranges and still cant post at 1900Mhz. Prolly have to wait on any new bios updates for my B550i AX.

RAM wise, I'm using 2x16GB of Corsair LPX rev 3.44. Thaiphoon indicated Micron Rev B 16Gb chips and there's no starting point available in the DRAM Calc for the target freq (3733Mhz since my IF can only max at 1866Mhz).

So while keeping the VDIMM at 1.35v, VSOC at 1.1v, both VDDG at 0.95v and VDDP at 0.9v, I did the old skool way. Tighten the each timings to get the lowest possible POST,  MemTest86 1pass to find errors, if get errors than back up one bit, then rinse and repeat for each.

This is what I get, tested via the bootable Memtest86 standard 4 passes.

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I guess this good enough? Wondering if I can do something with the resistance stuff (ProcODT & DriveStrengths) to get better primaries, 18-21-17-33 looks weird, but hey it works tongue.gif
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Your kit looks like single rank, should be marginally easier to clock to 1900.

I managed to get my system to run stable with either 3800 RAM in decoupled mode or 1900 IF clock, but not both together.

My results: https://pictr.com/images/2021/01/29/7egxPj.png
1.36V VDIMM
1.05V VSOC
0.9V VDDP
0.95 VDDG

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Yup its SR (16Gb dies for a 2x16kit).

I can't post at 1900Mhz FCLK, but 1933Mhz posts fine with 25mv higher VSOC and VDDG (at 1.125v and 0.975v respectively).

1966Mhz or 2000Mhz also wont post with whatever VSOC and VDDG I give.

I'll prolly redo the RAM timings all over again for 3866 to match 1933 FCLK this coming week.

Edit: 1933fclk gave WHEA errors in Hwinfo, with whatever voltages. Gonna stop at 1866fclk now

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Your 1933fclk results sound exactly like my 1900fclk ones.

I did try 1933 on mine - PC refuses to boot. Going to wait on a new AGESA release for my board to give it another spin - I'm on 1.1.0.0 patch C right now.
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abit slow to join d party but better late than never. tongue.gif

havin d 1900fclk black hole as well, 1933 & 1966 booted fine. glad to see amd imc finally gettin closer to what intel is capable, not quite matchin but almost there. smile.gif


4k finally done with some helps from d beta bios (new ageesa)... tongue.gif

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Nice....I'm still stuck with the 1900IF black hole...And my RAMs cannot do CL16 unless I set 1.4v in BIOS

But the thing is with my board, even with setting XMP 1.35v in BIOS, the VDIMM reading in BIOS and HWINFO shows about 0.3-0.6v offset..1.38v idle and 1.41v load.

Ryzen Master and ZenTimings still show 1.35v tho...I don't know which voltage reading to trust so I just set it at 1.35v sweat.gif theres no voltage pins on the board for me to measure myself

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Nice....I'm still stuck with the 1900IF black hole...And my RAMs cannot do CL16 unless I set 1.4v in BIOS

But the thing is with my board, even with setting XMP 1.35v in BIOS, the VDIMM reading in BIOS and HWINFO shows about 0.3-0.6v offset..1.38v idle and 1.41v load.

Ryzen Master and ZenTimings still show 1.35v tho...I don't know which voltage reading to trust so I just set it at 1.35v sweat.gif theres no voltage pins on the board for me to measure myself
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micron b imo dont really like tight timing bro. for 3600 & above, i remember i did 18-22-22 all d way. could be diff on 5k (i tested it on 3k) & probably newer agesa. yup, giga vdimm fluctuate kinnda big from what i remember on x570i as well, at least + 0.03v in my case b4. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Mar 7 2021, 08:48 AM)
micron b imo dont really like tight timing bro. for 3600 & above, i remember i did 18-22-22 all d way. could be diff on 5k (i tested it on 3k) & probably newer agesa. yup, giga vdimm fluctuate kinnda big from what i remember on x570i as well, at least + 0.03v in my case b4.  smile.gif
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Opps sorry typo on my part there, the offset is 0.03 to 0.06, not 0.3 to 0.6 sweat.gif

Yeah I'll just live with rams and board, and do what I can to tweak it as much as I can.

BTW did you tweak ur CO in your hyperpi runs there?
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Hi, any idea on this?

With PBO 2.0, offset 200Mhz, Curve optimizer -21, R20 43xx score
Seems like the effective clock is much lower which I do not understand.
With manual OC 4.7GHz, R20 26xx score
Power setting for both are the same (Auto)

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Hi, any idea on this?

With PBO 2.0, offset 200Mhz, Curve optimizer -21, R20 43xx score
Seems like the effective clock is much lower which I do not understand.
With manual OC 4.7GHz, R20 26xx score
Power setting for both are the same (Auto)

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What did you set your PBO limits (PPT, TDC, EDC) to? If its stock 5600x limits (i.e. 76w 60a 90a) then it makes sense for the effective clock to be limited to those values

But if you already set PBO limits to motherboard, idk...maybe someone else can help?

I'll test the 200mhz settings for a while to check if mine also give the same behavior, brb

Edit: ok no point in testing, since I remember I already did this before. with pbo limits set to motherboard, the mhz offset will help single single thread, but wont help much in multithread since its already the silicon limit. during CB MC runs is still around 4675mhz for me, but SC does boost to 4850mhz

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QUOTE(x800 @ Mar 7 2021, 10:06 AM)
What did you set your PBO limits (PPT, TDC, EDC) to? If its stock 5600x limits (i.e. 76w 60a 90a) then it makes sense for the effective clock to be limited to those values

But if you already set PBO limits to motherboard, idk...maybe someone else can help?

I'll test the 200mhz settings for a while to check if mine also give the same behavior, brb

Edit: ok no point in testing, since I remember I already did this before. with pbo limits set to motherboard, the mhz offset will help single single thread, but wont help much in multithread since its already the silicon limit. during CB MC runs is still around 4675mhz for me, but SC does boost to 4850mhz
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From Ryzen master, it shows:
PPT 395W
TDC 160A
EDC 190A

Any idea which setting in BIOS will confirm this numbers? My motherboard is Asus B550M TUF

Edit: My PBO limit is set to "Disable"

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post Mar 7 2021, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(IamNOT @ Mar 7 2021, 05:11 PM)
From Ryzen master, it shows:
PPT 395W
TDC 160A
EDC 190A

Any idea which setting in BIOS will confirm this numbers? My motherboard is Asus B550M TUF

Edit: My PBO limit is set to "Disable"
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AFAIK the only way to check in BIOS is only if you set the PBO Limits to "Manual" and change them.

In windows, either use RM to check like you did, or use HWINFO divide the watts/amps with respective percentages:
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BTW on my board, setting PBO Limits to "Disable" is setting it to default 5600x limits i.e. 76w 60a 90a. Screenie of my UEFI setting and the respective RM screenie during CB MC run:
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Perhaps ASUS implements the PBO Limits "Disable" differently...sorry I cant help...

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i think i get d best boost clock when:

1. pbo limits: auto
2. scalar: auto
3. overide mhz: 200mhz

co @ all core -1, vcore @ override + offset > auto + offset 0.25v

gettin 4850Mhz (highest, sc ofcoz), in games @ 47xx-4850Mhz, heavy loads @ 46xx-47xxMhz... smile.gif

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For my daily settings i cap at stock PBO Limits, as the 20% increase in power consumption and temps are not worth the 10% increase in performance. Furthermore, that 10% performance increase is also only reflected in benches and not my actual gaming experience since I'm gaming at 3440x1440 and GPU makes a bigger difference. I tweak everything focusing on power efficiency for daily profile, even my GPU is undervolted..


Nonetheless, when I'm doing bench runs, I unleash everything with manual OC tongue.gif
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i focus more on uv, imo there is no point to manual oc nowadys, keep d chip as cool as we can (including uv) then d chip will take care of d rest by itself. smile.gif

as long as gaming @ 60c ish i cant ask for anything more from a 6c chip with an entry level aio (a cheapo cm ml240). laugh.gif
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I agree. I'm also worried if any of my components get higher than 60c.

I observe no matter how much cooling potential is available, the die temp of these zen chips will still spike quite high if I unleash it, prolly coz of the small physical size of the die itself and heat transfer from the die to ihs to coldplate not efficient enough. Thinking to direct die but I doubt it'll make much difference. Also prolly coz I use a cheapo block lol
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Over 60°C is common during heavy loaded (gaming, 3D rendering and video processing). Even on water-cooling I can get 65°C on gaming under normal room temperature. Normal usage on normal room temperature it will hit 48~55°C. If turn on air-con 28 degree Celsius, the temperature drop to 44~49°C degree Celsius.

On my old Intel, it hit 88°C~99°C when I run video processing on Adobe Premiere Pro under 28°C air-con room. If I forgot to turn on the air-con, my old Intel will over-heated and shutdown when I run video processing on Adobe Premiere Pro on normal room temperature. (5th generation Intel processor with Intel heatsink with fan).
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For Asus board, I set everything in AI Tweaker to Auto, and set then everything that I wanted at Advance>AMD Overclock. Then only PBO 2.0 work as supposed...
Wasted a lot of time trying different method between the AI Tweaker and Advance menu. There might be bug in the AI Tweaker portion messing with limits.
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Haven't run any superpi/hyperpi for more than a decade. tongue.gif

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What actually affects it the most anyway? cpu/IF/mem/everything?

Edit: found a really old post of mine...last time i did superpi runs was with an athlon64 3000+ venice with DDR1...that time 1M superpi took 30seconds...now 10seconds..i expected much more improvements (prolly should be around 5secs?) for 15 years of tech advancements....

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QUOTE(IamNOT @ Mar 8 2021, 08:41 PM)
For Asus board, I set everything in AI Tweaker to Auto, and set then everything that I wanted at Advance>AMD Overclock. Then only PBO 2.0 work as supposed...
Wasted a lot of time trying different method between the AI Tweaker and Advance menu. There might be bug in the AI Tweaker portion messing with limits.
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i'd say ai tweaker is under asus while advanced > amd oc is under AMD. usually i will set both d same, especially for pbo setting. smile.gif

QUOTE(x800 @ Mar 8 2021, 09:17 PM)
Haven't run any superpi/hyperpi for more than a decade. tongue.gif

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What actually affects it the most anyway? cpu/IF/mem/everything?

Edit: found a really old post of mine...last time i did superpi runs was with an athlon64 3000+ venice with DDR1...that time 1M superpi took 30seconds...now 10seconds..i expected much more improvements (prolly should be around 5secs?) for 15 years of tech advancements....
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nice run bro, way more efficient than my attempt. i'd say cpu clock > imc freq = ram freq + timing. most importantly, os must be optimized i think. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Mar 9 2021, 04:01 PM)
nice run bro, way more efficient than my attempt. i'd say cpu clock > imc freq = ram freq + timing. most importantly, os must be optimized i think.  laugh.gif
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ahh ok that last part makes sense. This os is a clean install when I migrated from devilscanyon 2 months ago. thanks!

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For Ryzen 5600X, what voltage should I target for peak voltage?
If let it run auto, it will peak at 1.45V.
If I put Curve Optimizer -30, it would still peak at 1.4V.
All core load will stay at 1.3~1.35V
Is it safe that way for daily usage?

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Hi everyone, I have a 5900x and I kept it at stock settings for PBO. However when playing COD:Warzone the temps can go up to 82c-84c on average but no performance drop whatsoever. Below is my setup:

Processor - 5900x
Cooler - NZXT X73 Kraken 360
Mobo - X570 Aorus Pro Wifi
Casing - Corsair Carbide 275R

Anything I could be doing wrong here? Thanks.

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