Well I can certainly understand it's not easy to submit to God for this, the loneliness, the pain of being single.

Been there.

Anyway, good testimony there.

Just because Byzantine is majority of the scripture doesn't mean it is authentic. A mistake copied over and over again doesn't make it right.

The reason we have less Alexandrian manuscripts is simple, christians have been persecuted in the first 3 centuries after Jesus died. The romans have been burning christian scriptures by the thousands. I believe God preserved His word despite all these. We still have scriptures today.

I did not make any of those things up. Ask any legit new testament scholars.

For your reference:

https://www.amazon.com/Text-New-Testament-T...n/dp/019516122X
Bruce Metzger was one of the most respected textual critic in this field.

You'd think Erasmus who had 6 inferior manuscripts could produce a perfect critical text?

Anyway I think it is pointless reasoning with you. You deny all reality and all evidence.

This post has been edited by thomasthai: Feb 1 2019, 04:11 AM

Perhaps you could answer these questions first.

a) why did you think you were a Christian?

b) what do you think changed you to become an atheist?

Romans burnt lots of the original scripts while persecuting the Jews.

Do you think the NT was originally written in Hebrew?

There are scholars who have said when the Greek texts are translated back to Hebrew, the sentences in their right syntax and forms make more sense than in their Greek forms.

I would rather be trapped in God's tiny community than be in a larger community that's in a complete lost.

There's no pain in choosing to remain single and walking with our Lord. The only real pain in life, is to be attached with someone and journeying through life WITHOUT our Lord.

Don't know why the daggers are out on Unknown Warrior but it's clear this is the work of the underworld.

It's because it's been ages one refuse to submit to God and therefore has been that long never experiencing his grace that causes such conclusion.

It's a chicken and egg situation. You refuse to give God that chance and consistent patience along with it, therefore you experience not much or little.

But to say it's deceiving, I beg to differ. God's providence and grace (example providing life partnet) is real enough to those who are willing to submit. There are abudance of mircales to which some of us in here can testify it's true.

Well, it is expected. Underworld spiritual forces hates all Children of God and the degrees varies. Those who are doing ministry and working in His kingdom.... the degree is quite high.

I think all evidences suggest the autographs were in Greek.

Any examples of the translated Hebrew texts?

There are efforts being made to digitise all the manuscripts so scholars from all over the world can study them.

http://csntm.org/Manuscripts.aspx

There is no conspiracy or someone trying to hide anything.

This post has been edited by thomasthai: Feb 1 2019, 09:52 AM

Of course you still need to go for social outings, but the difference is, before that, you prayed, trusting God will bring to you the right one for your life.

Praying alone and hoping God will being that person to your doorstep is not what I meant AND it's never like that, prayers still requires action on your part.

Submitting here means when you say you believe God being your God, that means also accepting God taking care of you and also to submit to obey his word; for example, loving others, being patience w difficult people, etc etc.

IE; submitting also indicates you have a relationship with God and not just having religion.

Hope that clears up.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 1 2019, 10:40 AM

Well one way to restore faith is to have a correct view of God. too often people have a gross misunderstanding of who God is.

BUT for that to happen, you really need to spend time and I mean quiet time studying Christ Jesus. And that is not enough, u need to pray to God's Spirit to help u understand, otherwise you will never in your own capacity and own mindset be able to. That is already explained in scripture, our carnal mind is Anti God, your carnal nature is anti God and will never be able to compregend God. Can you imagine that being said in the Bible when it's least expected.

Why? Because God is a spirit being, you need spiritual perspective to access things pertaining to God.

You do not even understand how manuscript evidence works. Manuscript evidence is based on volume of manuscripts that is currently available and the differences between the manuscript. The byzantine manuscript has very little differences and also has a huge volume. This shows that it is authentic. In fact, it's pretty funny. Atheist would have no problem in accepting that the Byzantine manuscript is authentic. The only problem they would have is whether it's the word of God. This shows that you are worst then an atheist.

You would use all means of inventing stories to defend your corrupted version right?

BTW, does it even make sense for romans to be burning the VATICANUS?

Yeah, the scholar that does not believe that the scripture is inspired. Your destiny is going to be the same as his soon.

Well. The fact that he only has 6 and not thousands shows that the manuscript is authentic. If the manuscript is authentic, you do not need to do need to work with many. It's only when the manuscripts are not consistent that you have to "pick and choose"

Yeah, evidence for someone who is a retard and who has poor comprehension skills.

You are a liar.

Revelations 21:8
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Your time is short.

The "errors" are mostly spelling mistakes, printing errors and typos. Granted, the kjb in 1611 would be "harder" to read but then textual wise, it's still the same.

Brooke Westcott and Fenton Hort, of which Mr. Westcott was a devout occultist who founded the Hermes Club and was a custodian of the ancient mysteries (world government, aka, the New World Order)

http://www.jesusisprecious.org/bible/easy_to_read_lie.htm

This post has been edited by sylar111: Feb 1 2019, 11:23 AM

Ooch


Which means it is not perfect because plainly it is just a translation from Hebrew and Greek manuscript. Only the manuscript is inspired and perfect. KJV is just one of translation and there is nothing special with this particular translation

If You believe God, then it will matter, you decide God does not matter then it wouldn't matter, choice is yours.

Not here to force you, choice is yours.

But for me, I know God is too real, I cannot deny his existence and his evidence of so many miracles and experinces to the point I don't believe in coincidences anymore. It's God's incidences.

I'm nothing special, I just choose to believe and God honoured what I've believed and God showed himself to me through the evidence of His works in my life. There are way too many supernatural miracles.

Of course I hope you will come to realize God can be good to you too but I cannot force your faith, that really is up to u.

Peace bruh, dun want to argue with you.

Well problem is. There is never a single manuscript that is completed. So your idea that there is a perfect Hebrew and Greek manuscript is moot.

Do you even understand what is majority text and alexandrian text?

So are you also implying that the Bible is not the words of God since It is not perfect.

If that is what you think, dun lie to others that the Bible is the words of God then.

The thing is the KJB is not just translated from a single manuscript. The translators at the time for tasked with providing the best translation from various sources of manuscript and not just the Textus Receptus.

The thing is. If you do not even believe that God can produce a perfect Bible that we all can read, then how can you even believe in the resurrection? You see that is what faith is about. It is a belief in God's promises in the Bible even though we cannot imagine His promises in our mind. God promises time and time again to preserve His words. I believe his promises. Simple as that.

That's the thing. From a natural perspective, it's impossible to produce a perfect version. But then, God does not work in the natural realm.

But then people rather believe in nonsense like the modern day speaking in tongues and healings and vision then to believe that God can supernaturally preserve His words.

Just like Paul say if say the resurrection was not true, then all Christians are to be pitied. Similarly, if we do not believe that we have the perfect word of God, all of Christianity is invalidated.



This post has been edited by sylar111: Feb 1 2019, 02:37 PM

There is few problem with your rethoric

First, the manuscript in Alexandrian and Byzantium is consistant with each other..meaning no theological different in both. While translation is not. Because it is impossible to have perfect translation. Unless you are saying KJV version is divinely translated. So no. A fat not. KJV is probably one of good English translation but definitely not a magically perfect work as suggested by you goodseft

There are definitely some equally good English translation bible out there



And those translation have been inspiring people to believe in God



So there is definitely nothing special about KJV translation

Well. There are actually major theological changes. Did you even study the issue?

Well isn't that what I am implying. Is English comprehension so bad in Malaysia?

Well. Good is not enough. There are also good Buddhist manuscripts. And also good Korans out there. They "inspire" ppl to believe as well.

The pitiful thing is. Even the Muslims understand this issue. They understand that once their koran has mistakes, their whole religion becomes invalidated. That is why they insist that their only true "perfect" source is the Arabian one. It is clear how far "Christianity " had fallen. I am not implying the Islam is the truth but then it's amazing how close to the truth they are compared to most of you guys.

That's the thing. I think that's all for me.

BTW. Satan is an imitator and counterfeit of Christ. So it is only natural that his books/bible is similar. But then as I pointed out. There are major doctrinal differences.

As I have implied time and time again. Most of you guys will never learn. And even after you guys died. You will not learn as well.