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desmond2020
post Feb 1 2019, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Feb 1 2019, 03:57 PM)
Well. There are actually major theological changes. Did you even study the issue?

Well isn't that what I am implying. Is English comprehension so bad in Malaysia?

Well.  Good is not enough. There are also good Buddhist manuscripts. And also good Korans out there. They "inspire" ppl to believe as well.

The pitiful thing is.  Even the Muslims understand this issue. They understand that once their koran has mistakes,  their whole religion becomes invalidated. That is why they insist that their only true "perfect" source is the Arabian one.  It is clear how far "Christianity " had fallen. I am not implying the Islam is the truth but then it's amazing how close to the truth they are compared to most of you guys.

That's the thing. I think that's all for me.

BTW. Satan is an imitator and counterfeit of Christ. So it is only natural that his books/bible is similar. But then as I pointed out. There are major doctrinal differences.

As I have implied time and time again. Most of you guys will never learn. And even after you guys died.  You will not learn as well.
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Well then


Again I need to stress the KJV only movement is pure BS


Nothing good come out insisting a "TRANSLATION" as perfect


Only maniac did this.
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post Feb 1 2019, 06:40 PM

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Desmond, Sylar, please stop arguing on the thread. Take it to DM if you need to.
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post Feb 1 2019, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Feb 1 2019, 09:43 AM)
I think all evidences suggest the autographs were in Greek.

Any examples of the translated Hebrew texts?
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No. There are no manuscripts in hebrew.
However, these ear'y Christians are mostly Jewish. Reasonably they would converse in hebrew.
And as some Hebrew scholars are finding out, some of the sentnece syntax do not make sense in Greek, but makes perfect sense when translated back t Hebrew.
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post Feb 2 2019, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 1 2019, 07:04 AM)
Perhaps you could answer these questions first.

a) why did you think you were a Christian?

b) what do you think changed you to become an atheist?
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It's really weird I can't seem to find the post from Africano, that you've replied to.

Anyways what Africano wrote reverberates very strongly the problems within my Catholic Church itself, I don't know about other Christian denominations. The problem of handing down of our own faith to the following generations.

Perhaps it's best instead of handing or passing down of our faith, living out the faith would be a better option, if not the best.


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post Feb 2 2019, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 2 2019, 11:12 AM)
It's really weird I can't seem to find the post from Africano, that you've replied to.

Anyways what Africano wrote reverberates very strongly the problems within my Catholic Church itself, I don't know about other Christian denominations. The problem of handing down of our own faith to the following generations.

Perhaps it's best instead of handing or passing down of our faith, living out the faith would be a better option, if not the best.
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Not sure what you mean by handing or passing down of our Faith and living out the Faith?

Living out the Faith is instructed by scriptures. Therefore this is also part of the passing down of our Faith to future generations.

Of course where it differs most prominently with RCC is that your Roman traditions plays a great part of your Faith.
Which I am strongly against.
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post Feb 2 2019, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 2 2019, 03:35 PM)
Not sure what you mean by handing or passing down of our Faith and living out the Faith?

Living out the Faith is instructed by scriptures. Therefore this is also part of the passing down of our Faith to future generations.

Of course where it differs most prominently with RCC is that your Roman traditions plays a great part of your Faith.
Which I am strongly against.
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I apologize for not being clear enough but what Africano experienced, is no different from what I've experienced myself although I grew up in a Catholic family.

I will have to think clearly of how am I to write this cause with such a diverse Christian denominations there will be differences. wink.gif
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post Feb 2 2019, 06:33 PM

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If passing down heritage is enough, the Jews would have everything sorted already tongue.gif

The reality is that every person has to make it personal.
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post Feb 3 2019, 05:54 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 2 2019, 06:33 PM)
If passing down heritage is enough, the Jews would have everything sorted already tongue.gif

The reality is that every person has to make it personal.
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That I agree with Sophiera, it's very much a personal reality thing.

As for the Jews, what I've come to understand from my limited understanding is that before their children hit 12 years old, they would already have memorized their TORAH etc by heart ❤️. Now that's a head start.

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post Feb 3 2019, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 2 2019, 06:33 PM)
If passing down heritage is enough, the Jews would have everything sorted already tongue.gif

The reality is that every person has to make it personal.
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Perhaps you should read Romans 9 to 11 to understand the Jews and their legacy.

Reality may not be scriptural. It's a heritage as much as it's a personal thing. If you understand the handing down of the scriptures as a contemporary Christian, you are going to misunderstand many of the principles of the heritage handed down.

A key point would be parables of Jesus. How will you understand these without understanding the Jewish context?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 3 2019, 05:54 AM)
That I agree with Sophiera, it's very much a personal reality thing.

As for the Jews, what I've come to understand from my limited understanding is that before their children hit 12 years old, they would already have memorized their TORAH etc by heart ❤️. Now that's a head start.
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It's a great heritage. That children are taught scriptures at a young age. For that is the first step of faith.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 3 2019, 08:28 AM)
It's a great heritage. That children are taught scriptures at a young age. For that is the first step of faith.
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Yes, it's the greatest heritage ever. I think I can safely assume that the Jews teach their young directly from the Torah itself, likewise the Muslims with their Quran, however I can't say the same for Catholics. I wonder if this is an worldwide issue, that the Roman Catholic Church had decided to do away with the Holy Bible.

I have no idea if any of other Christian denominations uses their Holy Bible in teaching the faith or have they too substituted their Holy Bible for something else like the Catholics.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 7 2019, 05:58 PM)
Yes, it's the greatest heritage ever. I think I can safely assume that the Jews teach their young directly from the Torah itself, likewise the Muslims with their Quran, however I can't say the same for Catholics. I wonder if this is an worldwide issue, that the Roman Catholic Church had decided to do away with the Holy Bible.

I have no idea if any of other Christian denominations uses their Holy Bible in teaching the faith or have they too substituted their Holy Bible for something else like the Catholics.
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I think the RCC was an institution for control. The popes had great control over catholic monarchs in ancient days.
There was lots of corruption to maintain control through man made traditions, which is still taught today and used in RCC churches without due regard to scriptures.

RCs in general are not encouraged to study scriptures, whereas more emphasis is put on following traditions, purported passed down from the apostles. Therefore, many RCs just follow blindly their preists, never reading the scripture for themselves.

Traditions become their teaching tool.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 11 2019, 10:24 AM)
I think the RCC was an institution for control. The popes had great control over catholic monarchs in ancient days.
There was lots of corruption to maintain control through man made traditions, which is still taught today and used in RCC churches without due regard to scriptures.

RCs in general  are not encouraged to study scriptures, whereas more emphasis is put on following traditions, purported passed down from the apostles. Therefore, many RCs just follow blindly their preists, never reading the scripture for themselves.

Traditions become their teaching tool.
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I don't know about the others but you are correct about RCs escpecislly the laities, not encouraged to study the Holy Scriptures, even myself.

At the lowest point in my life, despite all the successes I've attained, I made a vow to study and to understand Holy Scriptures every word. I am surely glad that I did that. It has been and is a wonderful journeying with our Lord.

Scriptures says, no our Teacher says this, "you have trained children & babes to offer perfect praise." True indeed, for Christian denominations who teaches this great heritage, especially faith in God from Sacred Scriptures directly. Anything else used as a substitution for Holy Scriptures or runs contrary to the Holy Scriptures, is a false 'gospel' !


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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 11 2019, 08:31 PM)
I don't know about the others but you are correct about RCs escpecislly the laities, not encouraged to study the Holy Scriptures, even myself.

At the lowest point in my life, despite all the successes I've attained, I made a vow to study and to understand Holy Scriptures every word. I am surely glad that I did that. It has been and is a wonderful journeying with our Lord.

Scriptures says, no our Teacher says this, "you have trained children & babes to offer perfect praise." True indeed, for Christian denominations who teaches this great heritage, especially faith in God from Sacred Scriptures directly. Anything else used as a substitution for Holy Scriptures or runs contrary to the Holy Scriptures, is a false 'gospel' !
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Amen to that!

The only instruction/guide for life is the revelation of God through scriptures. Where else can we find life?
Otherwise we will be worshipping false gods through traditions, and that includes those who mix traditions with scriptures aka Easters, Christmas, etc.

That will probably get so some nerves here. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 11 2019, 08:31 PM)
I don't know about the others but you are correct about RCs escpecislly the laities, not encouraged to study the Holy Scriptures, even myself.

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Is this for real? Then how come Yeeck seem to post a lot of Catholic devotions? Or He just copy and paste, not really studying it for himself? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 12 2019, 09:39 AM)
Is this for real? Then how come Yeeck seem to post a lot of Catholic devotions? Or He just copy and paste, not really studying it for himself?  hmm.gif
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Generally they are not encouraged to study the scriptures.
Some like our brother here may do that.
However, the thing is, after studying the scriptures, they still practice the traditional rites, some which are in conflict with scriptures.
And justifying their actions by traditions and denying their acts being against scriptures. eg Marian worship
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post Feb 12 2019, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 12 2019, 10:14 AM)
Generally they are not encouraged to study the scriptures.
Some like our brother here may do that.
However, the thing is, after studying the scriptures, they still practice the traditional rites, some which are in conflict with scriptures.
And justifying their actions by traditions and denying their acts being against scriptures. eg Marian worship
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Their explanation is that for Jesus to be born sinless, Mary had to be sinless as well, hence she has the same fullness of Grace as Christ has.

IN that sense, Mary has been alleviated. So she deserve to be adored as other Saints do.

I don't know, but that was what I was told by fellow Catholics.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 12 2019, 10:33 AM)
Their explanation is that for Jesus to be born sinless, Mary had to be sinless as well, hence she has the same fullness of Grace as Christ has.

IN that sense, Mary has been alleviated. So she deserve to be adored as other Saints do.

I don't know, but that was what I was told by fellow Catholics.
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The issue with their 'adoration' borders on worship.

user posted image


YOu shall have no other gods before me.


YOU shall not make any graven image and bow down before them



Conveniently forgotten.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 12 2019, 10:38 AM)
The issue with their 'adoration' borders on worship.

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YOu shall have no other gods before me.
YOU shall not make any graven image and bow down before them
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Medical Science today confirms, a baby does not get blood from the Mother. Life is in the blood.

IMO Jesus can be born Sinless because he's conceived by the HS, Mary's body supplied oxygen and nutrients but not the blood.

in summary: Mary has sin like all of us and thus should not be adored until borderline worship.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 12 2019, 10:45 AM)
Medical Science today confirms, a baby does not get blood from the Mother. Life is in the blood.

IMO Jesus can be born Sinless because he's conceived by the HS, Mary's body supplied oxygen and nutrients but not the blood.

in summary: Mary has sin like all of us and thus should not be adored until borderline worship.
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Yes. I adore my parents. But I do not worship them on a pedestal.

Look at their catechism on their thread OP


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Continuing where we left off from V01 https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3512530

No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments. The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established. Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856) Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church? Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church? (Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).


You and i are not in church of Christ. biggrin.gif


On Islam, it seems they are acknowledged in the plan of God's salvation

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841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/arch...sm/p123a9p3.htm


Look at this statement by the pope. Is this God's will?

It adds that “freedom is a right of every person: each individual enjoys the freedom of belief, thought, expression and action” and that “pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God”.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world...ae4ed35b05ac514



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