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FatalExe
post Jul 12 2018, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(RViN @ Jul 12 2018, 10:50 AM)
HAHAHAHAHAHA.

To put it bluntly, you are massively ignorant.

For instance, almost all the T&C at shops have a clause that says something like "no returns and refunds bla bla". Go look up our laws, every purchase is entitled to a refund. If someone refuses to refund you, you take them to the consumer tribunal. I have and I've won, its pretty open and shut case.

The only problem is have to wait for the whole process.

If more people had brains and weren't ignorant in Malaysia maybe we wouldn't have to go to consumer tribunals as it would become standard practice and sellers won't try to abuse your ignorance of the law and take advantage of us all.
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QUOTE(RViN @ Jul 12 2018, 11:32 AM)
OMG do I have to spell out everything for you?

T&C are quite often illegitimate, and put there to fool ignorant people like yourself who think they are "all written by lawyers" and to intimidate those who don't do their research.

Also clicking "I agree" doesn't mean shit if what you're agreeing to isn't legitimate.

People can sign contracts which are not legitimate, and they don't stand up in court, so if you go tell the judge "hey he's the one who signed it" you'll probably get slapped on the side of your head.

Until now still can't admit that you're absolutely wrong and talking crap? Lol. You don't even have to be a lawyer to know any of this.

To summarize it for your limited comprehension capability:
LAWS > T&C.

If T&C contravene laws, it doesn't matter if you agree to them or not, THE LAW OVERRULES THEM. And my example was to put your laughable assertion that all T&C's are valid in the ground, which I have, so gtfo.
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Had to tag this corporate buttlicking guy

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post Jul 12 2018, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(FatalExe @ Jul 12 2018, 12:09 PM)
There was a famous case in Malaysia about exclusion clauses, parking management didn't want to be responsible for a break-in, the victim went to complain but get laughed at by the parking operator saying T&C is signed when you enter the parking, but he sued and won in court as the T&C itself is invalid and illegal.

In TS case the price was not an error, it was the sellers manual input and not a glitch

Good lawyers can probably argue that such a T&C is too vague and prone to abuse.

There are also countless case studies on offer/acceptance/consideration for price tag issues and most of them sides the buyer, especially if money already exchanged hands
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exactly. even the parking with disclaimers: park at ur own risk does not excuse all responsibilities
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post Jul 12 2018, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(FatalExe @ Jul 12 2018, 12:09 PM)
There was a famous case in Malaysia about exclusion clauses, parking management didn't want to be responsible for a break-in, the victim went to complain but get laughed at by the parking operator saying T&C is signed when you enter the parking, but he sued and won in court as the T&C itself is invalid and illegal.

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Kindly share me the case name, I have been very furious at those parking tnc. We paid but the tnc said they no responsible.

I think the lawyer use "negligence clause", the parking operator did not have enough guard and doing a right patrolling and etc.
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post Jul 12 2018, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(Muhammad Syukri @ Jul 12 2018, 12:00 PM)
Alamak ambil few case to defend your statement when rule of law stated clearly that seller must fulfilled the trade agreement made.

Even your cited news said Wallmart has given compensation and will look further into fulfilling the order. Lol

Consumer Protection Act 1999. Baca bang im try educate you right now.
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this one bro?
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Bait advertising

(1)  No person shall advertise for  supply at a specified price
      goods or services which that person—

            (a)  does not intend to offer for supply; or
            (b)  does not have reasonable grounds for believing can be supplied,
                    at that price for a period that is, and in quantities that are, reasonable
                    having regard to the nature of the market in which the person carries
                    on business and the nature of the advertisement.

(2)  In a prosecution for a failure to offer goods or services to a
      consumer in accordance with subsection (1), it shall be a defence if
      the person charged proves that—

            (a)  he offered to supply or to procure another person to supply,
                  to the consumer, within a reasonable time, goods or
                  services of the kind advertised, in a reasonable quantity and
                  at the advertised price, and where the offer is accepted by
                  the consumer, that the person has so supplied or procured
                  another person to supply, the goods or services; or

            (b)  he offered to supply to the consumer immediately, or to
                  procure another person to supply to the consumer within a
                  reasonable time, equivalent goods or services, in a
                  reasonable quantity and at the advertised price, and where
                  the offer is accepted by the consumer, that the person has
                  so supplied or procured another person to supply, such
                  equivalent goods or services.

Consumer Protection Act 1999
shiningace
post Jul 12 2018, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(RichardN @ Jul 12 2018, 12:13 PM)
Kindly share me the case name, I have been very furious at those parking tnc. We paid but the tnc said they no responsible.

I think the lawyer use "negligence clause", the parking operator did not have enough guard and doing a right patrolling and etc.
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https://www.thestar.com.my/data/archives/20...g-and-security/
bumpo
post Jul 12 2018, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 12 2018, 09:47 AM)
I didn't romanticizing t&c, if anything I'm saying next time don't simply click I agree without reading what's in it.
You believe what you want to believe about t&c.

Unethical doesn't mean illegal and illegal is definitely unethical. I know at least this much.
I don't object ts making report to kpdnkk and I certainly don't object ts for making his voice heard. You want to know where ts die die want to get the deal? There is many. I'll quote it.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Ts point himself, 2 ppl before me got the item with that price, then my turn got cancelled?
I paid for it.
The price is checked.
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you say you arent romanticizing t&c but your post content does laugh.gif
also ts did not die die want the deal.
he persoalkan the questionable reason that price error due to lazada system. ts did not demand die die must send me that gc.
ada beza ya laugh.gif

QUOTE(petaiking @ Jul 12 2018, 09:50 AM)
Sorry to say, those who protects dotatech are just nerds and budak hingusan. Duno anything about biz.

Plus dotatech if u reading this. Tell that retarded english speaking with essence be more profesional n polite. Think wat, can speak english with slang very great isit. Stupid retatded idiotic sob. Go out road careful le
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QUOTE(petaiking @ Jul 12 2018, 10:50 AM)
That 4eyes retarded arrogant prick dickhead english speaking fucker is called chris iinm.
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bro.. this fire seems to be coming from somewhere deep deep inside and personal. anything sharable?

QUOTE(chrischiang @ Jul 12 2018, 09:51 AM)
full story? easy.. went to switch online shop.. saw wow Rm0.00 apple watch... click add to cart make payment.. and received that order id email.. story end.

when i saw this.. obvious i knew this is not going to be true, must be some system glitch, mainly do it for the fun...

so from what you all are saying, system glitch/the shop should check the price everyday blah blah blah and shall honor the glitch price deal... aint this all some sort of taking advantage from people lost?
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that wasnt so hard was it? question to you..
1) did you reach out to the company to inform them of this and to cancel your order?
2) what are you going to do if the company honors it and ships you the goods?
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post Jul 12 2018, 12:21 PM

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Guys, read this article. Way worse but at least sellers honored the deal and learned their lesson.

http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20090303/NEWS/903030317

FatalExe
post Jul 12 2018, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(RichardN @ Jul 12 2018, 12:13 PM)
Kindly share me the case name, I have been very furious at those parking tnc. We paid but the tnc said they no responsible.

I think the lawyer use "negligence clause", the parking operator did not have enough guard and doing a right patrolling and etc.
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https://www.hba.org.my/news/2004/1204/parking.htm
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QUOTE(shiningace @ Jul 12 2018, 12:18 PM)
Thanks..

Ah yeah, they use negligence clause like I thought
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post Jul 12 2018, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(FatalExe @ Jul 12 2018, 12:09 PM)
There was a famous case in Malaysia about exclusion clauses, parking management didn't want to be responsible for a break-in, the victim went to complain but get laughed at by the parking operator saying T&C is signed when you enter the parking, but he sued and won in court as the T&C itself is invalid and illegal.

In TS case the price was not an error, it was the sellers manual input and not a glitch

Good lawyers can probably argue that such a T&C is too vague and prone to abuse.

There are also countless case studies on offer/acceptance/consideration for price tag issues and most of them sides the buyer, especially if money already exchanged hands
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QUOTE(FatalExe @ Jul 12 2018, 12:11 PM)
Had to tag this corporate buttlicking guy

wanted111who
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i quote already but he reply all T&C drafted by follow law one...so he must be right. u n me must be wrong and quoted case in Mars. He is the smart one man..let him be forever kena cheated by those non-law abiding T&C. As a business owner, I like him/
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post Jul 12 2018, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(party @ Jul 12 2018, 12:24 PM)
i quote already but he reply all T&C drafted by follow law one...so he must be right. u n me must be wrong and quoted case in Mars. He is the smart one man..let him be forever kena cheated by those non-law abiding T&C. As a business owner, I like him/
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malaysians easy confused hahaha
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post Jul 12 2018, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(UserU @ Jul 12 2018, 12:21 PM)
Guys, read this article. Way worse but at least sellers honored the deal and learned their lesson.

http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20090303/NEWS/903030317
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what? actual real world situations where wrong pricing is not an automatic get out of jail card? no way! get out of here!
according to other guys here it is not possible wor... t&c are crafted based on law and constantly updated to match latest laws so therefore t&c is king!
better be careful later kena report for fake news i tell you laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bumpo @ Jul 12 2018, 12:37 PM)
what? actual real world situations where wrong pricing is not an automatic get out of jail card? no way! get out of here!
according to other guys here it is not possible wor... t&c are crafted based on law and constantly updated to match latest laws so therefore t&c is king!
better be careful later kena report for fake news i tell you  laugh.gif
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Omg, you tak suka you tukak sellar!
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linglong didnt even bother after 1 -2 reply while /k/ here still arguing over LAW and T&C .

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post Jul 12 2018, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(H4XF4XTOR @ Jul 12 2018, 12:41 PM)
linglong didnt even bother after 1 -2 reply while /k/ here still arguing over LAW and T&C .

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Too many 'bodohness' here. What DotaTech did was illegal AND unethical. I give you an example, I wanna order from dototek and delivery say that I will get my shit in 1 week, made my payment online through a third party website, lazada which has a T&C that dototek can cancel their order as they wish which revised under law is not possible since consumer law is above T&C. So lazada already processes the order to dototek but then dototek realized their pricing is an error due to the GST so they cancelled my shit and let me know the day after I paid for my order. (I'm using both TS and DingDong's stories here so that it's unbiased).

Now my question is. Let's be kind and say I will get my refund soonest in a week time. If tomorrow suddenly what I wanted to buy the same shit but price hike like world gonna end then who gonna bear the cost?. If tomorrow suddenly a genuine seller or promo want to sell same shit for same or around the price but first come first serve or limited time then who gonna bear my loss?. Different if on the spot I get back my money then I can just back off but it's different when time comes into the picture.

Like this la pundek, u want buy house through a property agent so u pay full house price to the agent and then agent go see seller to seal the deal, suddenly owner say, eh the price not this la, higher because my stupid realtor didn't evaluate the property well...so the agent come say sorry the seller say the price house is higher because of bla bla reasons so we will refund back your money in 1 week time but pundek first of all, you fucking property agent and owner should fight or argue among yourself because that is your problem. The advertised price is there, and I made payment through proper channel so what shit u putar halim also no use and if tomorrow I find a better house for a lower price but all the money still not refunded back to me and someone else bought it who the fuck gonna bear the losses?.

What makes it worse, I got in touch with the owner and said that I've already made my payment and if you or the agent didn't evaluate the property well, how is that my concern?, then the owner says, no the agent fault for not checking properly so IDGAF, bye.

Moral of the story is, Of course, la I will write in social media and even go up to the tribunal to voice out my frustration.

This post has been edited by yuvanraj: Jul 12 2018, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(yuvanraj @ Jul 12 2018, 02:36 PM)
Too many 'bodohness' here. What DotaTech did was not illegal AND unethical. I give you an example, I wanna order from dototek and delivery say that I will get my shit in 1 week, made my payment online through a third party website, lazada which has a T&C that dototek can cancel their order as they wish which revised under law is not possible since consumer law is above T&C. So lazada already processes the order to dototek but then dototek realized their pricing is an error due to the GST so they cancelled my shit and let me know the day after I paid for my order.  (I'm using both TS and DingDong's stories here so that it's unbiased).

Now my question is. Let's be kind and say I will get my refund soonest in a week time. If tomorrow suddenly what I wanted to buy the same shit but price hike like world gonna end then who gonna bear the cost?. If tomorrow suddenly a genuine seller or promo want to sell same shit for same or around the price but first come first serve or limited time then who gonna bear my loss?. Different if on the spot I get back my money then I can just back off but it's different when time comes into the picture.

Like this la pundek, u want buy house through a property agent so u pay full house price to the agent and then agent go see seller to seal the deal, suddenly owner say, eh the price not this la, higher because my stupid realtor didn't evaluate the property well...so the agent come say sorry the seller say the price house is higher because of bla bla reasons so we will refund back your money in 1 week time but pundek first of all, you fucking property agent and owner should fight or argue among yourself because that is your problem. The advertised price is there, and I made payment through proper channel so what shit u putar halim also no use and if tomorrow I find a better house for a lower price but all the money still not refunded back to me and someone else bought it who the fuck gonna bear the losses?.

What makes it worse, I got in touch with the owner and said that I've already made my payment and if you or the agent didn't evaluate the property well, how is that my concern?, then the owner says, no the agent fault for not checking properly so IDGAF, bye.

Moral of the story is, Of course, la I will write in social media and even go up to the tribunal to voice out my frustration.
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QUOTE(iAmPotat0 @ Jul 12 2018, 02:38 PM)
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