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FatalExe
post Jul 9 2018, 09:57 PM

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I will never forget when IdealTech FB staff laughed at me when I mentioned I wanted a B350M motherboard as recommended by LYN forumers to OC the Ryzen 1200 by saying:

"Ryzen 1200 overclock? Lol"

Also saying us LYN forumers complaining wouldn't even hurt their sales and position as the top PC shop in Malaysia

Is there a problem with me wanting to overclock it? Or just look down on budget buyers?

Was so stupid that I went ahead with the purchase.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4400000

20k views already my thread

This post has been edited by FatalExe: Jul 9 2018, 10:03 PM
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post Jul 9 2018, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(jamilselamat @ Jul 9 2018, 09:06 PM)
I see potential sockpuppets trying to downplay TS' plight by attacking his personality(allegedly being poor).

GPU prices are already through the roof, and still is considering depreciation. If you continue insulting potential customers by attacking their personality, you WILL soon be out of business, because those people you call 'poor' make up the majority of your sales while richfags in Malaysia are only a handful.

But it's OK, TS. Karma always finds its way. Karma WILL find its way. The only question is how and when. Just take this as a lesson. Anggapkan ini satu pengajaran, dan viralkan kedai ni sampai semua orang tau. Samaada depa muflis esok atau tak, tu belakang kira. Kalau hang berjaya buat 2-3 orang elakkan kedai ni, tu pun dah cukup. At least I know that -I- will avoid this shit store like a plague. 

To lingloong and your sockpuppets, keep treating people like shit. Someday, you'll be treated the same way.
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I will never forget when IdealTech FB staff laughed at me when I mentioned I wanted a B350M motherboard as recommended by LYN forumers to OC the Ryzen 1200 by saying:

"Ryzen 1200 overclock? Lol"

Is there a problem with me wanting to overclock it? Or just look down on budget buyers?

Also saying us LYN forumers complaining wouldn't even hurt their sales and position as the top PC shop in Malaysia

Was so stupid that I went ahead with the purchase.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4400000

20k views already my thread

Reality is these shop owners are so used to abusing consumer rights thanks to general ignorance over basic rights
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post Jul 9 2018, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(hdd-corrupted @ Jul 9 2018, 10:15 PM)
what idealtech did? i buy from them often
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Laugh at customer that want to buy B350M mobo to overclock lower end Ryzen CPU

Saying LYN complaints won't affect their sales and their position as top PC shop in Malaysia

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4400000
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post Jul 9 2018, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(yepikaiye @ Jul 9 2018, 10:30 PM)
when they have 5unit. and sold 2of those for the former price. then im as 3rd buyer got cancelled order coz "wrong price"?

so, how the 2 unit b4 me? two time sold that with price, still blind ah? then my turn got cancelled. wow

below pic, shown the new price with still 3unit exactly as same before. LOL?
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Just lodge a report with KPDNKK or take them to court
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post Jul 10 2018, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ Jul 9 2018, 10:39 PM)
Well the issue is why spend the money to oc a lesser chip when you can spend the money to buy a higher chip. You save electricity on the long run - this for buying new rig

That's why oc is preferred for either - top of the line chip, or your old chip when you wanna save money instead of buying new
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So that means the seller can go

"Your rig.... Oc... What?"

Who cares what I want to do with my rig? Just quote me the damn price

Also the whole point of Ryzen processors and mobo is their insane OC efficiency and long term support unlike Intel and it's my choice whether I want to OC or not
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post Jul 10 2018, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(kena racun bunga chibai @ Jul 10 2018, 10:29 AM)
Don’t be all high and cocky. They (rarely) might know something you didn’t know about. It doesn’t harm to get more opinions from them (so long as they’re not bullshiting you).
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"Your rig... OC...what?"

Is a good opinion?

Thats not an opinion, that's laughing and It's clearly mocking the customer

Why do you bend over backwards and let the sellers abuse you?

In case you didn't know the customers are the one paying RM3000+ for their products and to fatten their pocket with revenue and profit

Can't brain people like you, IdealTech boss and this lingloong DotaTech guy

"Other customers time more valuable"

Fuck off
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post Jul 10 2018, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ Jul 10 2018, 12:58 PM)
He found it amusing I guess

If it was me I don't mind as long as I make money, so I won't be bothered as long as I make the sale.

People are after all human
So I try to understand why they do these things sometimes.

Anyhow, I try not to assume one's tone or intention through text.
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Yeah, consumer rights and basic business etiquette be damned which is what you're saying

No wonder our country is so bad, we get people defending bad business practices because apparently we have to duduk diam diam and hand over rm3000 and accept abuse because "they are human"
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post Jul 10 2018, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(kiroshell @ Jul 10 2018, 07:27 PM)
Yup i truly agree, its bad business practise, in  this case dotatech, other lazada online sellers and even lazada itself who abuse such loophole.

Think appropriate authority can enforce this to not happen again? We got the "no private message when online selling" before passed, why not this one?
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There are already laws and enactments in place to prevent sellers from dishonouring price mistakes after payment is made

This is basic contract law , Intention, Consideration and Acceptance and whether the contract is formed or not.

Those that claim Lazada T&C allows them to do so is ignorant of the law

Law > T&C

In America or Australia, people would hire lawyers or go to the Consumer/Small Claims Court to uphold consumer rights

We can do the same but our culture and people dislike going through these processes, there's KPDNKK and consumer tribunal as well as hiring lawyers to sue.


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post Jul 10 2018, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ Jul 10 2018, 07:38 PM)
Nope I didn't say that

I'm saying if I was the buyer, I might have laughed at it as well.

And if I was the seller, I might have laughed as well, but I'm going to say, it's not the best option, but sure you can still go on with it. And continue on with the sale

I won't however be so offended over it. It's not like the person cheated you or anything. Different people have different levels of tolerance and acceptance.

You're saying as if just because he found the request amusing, it's against the laws of business. It's not against the law, it's probably not tactful that's all.

I think everybody should work in the service line before reserving judgement to how people behave - this within confines of an honest situation.

Tldr: take a chill pill
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There is no room for the seller to laugh at the buyer. If u wanna laugh then laugh inside your head not writing such insulting words direct to customer

Especially when the seller does not seem to understand that the Ryzens are advertised and MEANT TO BE overclocked since it comes with a damned cooler

Don't claim to be a PC specialist shop if you wanna mock others

What's so funny and amusing about overclocking a Ryzen? Why not you tell me. If there is no answer, then the shop is simply laughing because we are not forking out rm5000 for higher end models. Arrogance at its max.

Besides, no one's says it's against the laws, I'm just saying it's an asshole behaviour and there is no need to defend them or keep quiet

Not when purchases are this big at rm3000+. You like handing over rm3000 and getting laughed because it's somehow amusing?

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post Jul 11 2018, 04:59 AM

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 10 2018, 11:55 PM)
:facepalm:
Who do you think preparing company t&c, overview it and maintaining it? Don't like the t&c don't sign up. Don't use their platform. Go Amazon. Which they have their own set of t&c as well, which is also prepared by lawyer.

Hate people with self entitlement and think that everyone who do business is owing them the world. Worst bunch of customers. Business is after all willing seller willing buyer. Supposed to be win win for both party. Hope they realize that beside being a consumer they are also working for someone else irl serving other people / consumer.

Respect other like how you wanted to be respected.

Your clients/customers isn't always right. Same goes to you when you're a consumer/ customer to other doesn't mean you are always right. Respect others terms of conducting their businesses. Don't like it no one force you to be their users.
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If you are ignorant of the law then it's best for you to research and stop embarrassing yourself...

Law is always above any T&C and contract. A contract cannot deny legal rights, this is a fundamental rule in all common law countries.
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post Jul 11 2018, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 11 2018, 09:07 AM)
Yes law is always above terms and conditions. That's why all terms and condition is prepared review and design by law practitioners to make sure it doesn't deviate from the law.

Means it will always contain the best way to protect the company interest by using and accommodating existing law

Also means it doesn't break the law.
Law practitioners also almost always doing the maintainance of terms anf conditions.

What makes you think big companies like lazada didn't hire any legal entities to create t&c for them?

Yes, seems like I'm really ignorant who doesn't understand t&c and just simply click I agree check box. Then want to complaint and shows self entitlement when companies exerting their rights which doesn't benefits me.
Read above.
And now try proof it that lazada can't cancel order. Better still, you can go and sue lazada if you so sure lazada is breaking the law.
You're smart right? I'm sure you definitely can win the case and make lazada close shop.
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Lol

You do know even big corporations like Amazon, Google , Apple, Samsung get sued and lose all the time? You know they get fined for having illegal terms and contracts by governments all the time?

Stop being so anti consumer

Are you a stakeholder of some unethical corporation? Ridiculous
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post Jul 11 2018, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 11 2018, 01:08 PM)
Quote me in which sentences I said I am supporting unethical business practices? Or any post that I post indicating that?

And what did ts have to lose? Since you're saying

the one taking advantage here is the seller not the buyer.

I don't see any, did they don't agree to refund ts? And for the trouble ts go through, can't he get any voucher from lazada as compensation like other experienced?

And you cant even argue with logic and fact , the best you can do is personal attack.

Also you can't prove that ts isn't taking advantage of other mistakes and you are very openly supporting this.

Ts can at any point claim compensation voucher from lazada for his trouble instead he die die want to get the item at the cost he know he can't get anywhere else.

You know what? Since you're lazy to scroll back, let me do this for you on my reply to the owner when he replied.
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Not honouring price after payment accepted is a violation of contract law.

End of story

Really can't brain why people think it's ok to hand over thousands of $ using credit card and then need to bend over backwards to suit all the sellers excuses and get accused as taking advantage.

If u can't stand making price mistakes or even replying simple enquiries and PMs for explanation then stop doing business or close down your shop

Also your "T&C means it's not against the law" is just plain stupidity, no offense
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post Jul 11 2018, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 11 2018, 05:07 PM)
Bunch of lazy ass, took me less than 1 minute to find this link and articles.
Go read yourself it is there for everyone to see

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...zhZonTqRzi2dmrW

What is the Lazada cancellation policy?

Before cancelling an order, please read and understand the following terms & conditions:
Lazada cannot reverse a cancellation once it is completed. After cancellation, we cannot restore your order.
Any vouchers, discounts, or promotions used in conjunction with a cancelled order WILL NOT be valid or re-validated for any subsequent order.
We can’t guarantee that the price, availability, shipping fee, or any other element of a cancelled order will remain the same for any subsequent order.
Your refund will be processed within 48 hours and will be credited to your account within 5 to 15 business days, depending on your payment method, bank and/or financial institution.
The refund amount will be the net amount paid (or store credit used) by you and will not include any voucher amount.
In some cases, a cancellation can’t be processed online. Please contact our customer service if your cancellation is declined.
The remaining order’s value after your cancellation has to fulfil the same conditions for discounts, promotions, or minimum purchase value that applied to the order. If not, the entire order may be cancelled.
To ensure an enjoyable and safe shopping environment for all, Lazada has limited the quantity you may purchase on deals which are in high demand. We may also cancel an order if fraud is suspected.

What? You think only consumer can cancel the order and the seller cannot?

And don't go and agree with the t&c which you think is not working in your favor and not to your liking.

Bunch of scum who encourage and supporting the idea of taking advantage of other mistakes.
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No amount of T&C can cover if it is illegal la

Law already say cannot you still wanna argue T&C

The court doesn't give a shit about T&C if sellers conduct in an illegal manner

This post has been edited by FatalExe: Jul 11 2018, 05:37 PM
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post Jul 11 2018, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(chrischiang @ Jul 11 2018, 06:10 PM)
you are saying that you support on taking advantage on ppl's mistake?
everyone would know this deal is not going be true (way beyond market price, literally free) because some mistake from the shop.. and you bringing out customer act and feel they should honor the deal?

Your this action is morally unethical. seeking advantage from ppl's lost..
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They should because the pricing was there for quite some time and the buyer has paid for it as well.

Your argument works for in-shop retail purchases, even so it's arguable in court if buyer already paid and seller accepted it and cancel it later
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post Jul 12 2018, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(jokerneverdie @ Jul 12 2018, 11:55 AM)
They replied me immediately with long long T&C terms xD

(part of it)
We are determined to provide the most accurate pricing information on the Site to our users; however, errors may still occur, such as cases when the price of an item is not displayed correctly on the website. As such, we reserve the right to refuse or cancel any order. In the event that an item is mispriced, we may, at our own discretion, either contact you for instructions or cancel your order and notify you of such cancellation. We shall have the right to refuse or cancel any such orders whether or not the order has been confirmed and your credit card or bank account charged.
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There was a famous case in Malaysia about exclusion clauses, parking management didn't want to be responsible for a break-in, the victim went to complain but get laughed at by the parking operator saying T&C is signed when you enter the parking, but he sued and won in court as the T&C itself is invalid and illegal.

In TS case the price was not an error, it was the sellers manual input and not a glitch

Good lawyers can probably argue that such a T&C is too vague and prone to abuse.

There are also countless case studies on offer/acceptance/consideration for price tag issues and most of them sides the buyer, especially if money already exchanged hands


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post Jul 12 2018, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(RViN @ Jul 12 2018, 10:50 AM)
HAHAHAHAHAHA.

To put it bluntly, you are massively ignorant.

For instance, almost all the T&C at shops have a clause that says something like "no returns and refunds bla bla". Go look up our laws, every purchase is entitled to a refund. If someone refuses to refund you, you take them to the consumer tribunal. I have and I've won, its pretty open and shut case.

The only problem is have to wait for the whole process.

If more people had brains and weren't ignorant in Malaysia maybe we wouldn't have to go to consumer tribunals as it would become standard practice and sellers won't try to abuse your ignorance of the law and take advantage of us all.
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QUOTE(RViN @ Jul 12 2018, 11:32 AM)
OMG do I have to spell out everything for you?

T&C are quite often illegitimate, and put there to fool ignorant people like yourself who think they are "all written by lawyers" and to intimidate those who don't do their research.

Also clicking "I agree" doesn't mean shit if what you're agreeing to isn't legitimate.

People can sign contracts which are not legitimate, and they don't stand up in court, so if you go tell the judge "hey he's the one who signed it" you'll probably get slapped on the side of your head.

Until now still can't admit that you're absolutely wrong and talking crap? Lol. You don't even have to be a lawyer to know any of this.

To summarize it for your limited comprehension capability:
LAWS > T&C.

If T&C contravene laws, it doesn't matter if you agree to them or not, THE LAW OVERRULES THEM. And my example was to put your laughable assertion that all T&C's are valid in the ground, which I have, so gtfo.
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post Jul 12 2018, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(RichardN @ Jul 12 2018, 12:13 PM)
Kindly share me the case name, I have been very furious at those parking tnc. We paid but the tnc said they no responsible.

I think the lawyer use "negligence clause", the parking operator did not have enough guard and doing a right patrolling and etc.
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https://www.hba.org.my/news/2004/1204/parking.htm
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post Feb 13 2019, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Feb 12 2019, 09:48 PM)
just to add,

my relative got stabbed (literally) at a mall car park.

mall said park at your own risk.

took them to court. we won.
another case, if you guys remember, someone's GTR R35 got turtled by a valet guy. valet company didn't wanna be responsible. valet company lost.
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Wow

Any news articles?

 

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