QUOTE(maxxxxx0123 @ Jul 9 2018, 03:02 PM)
dun want to sell it coz wrong price is one thingdun want to honor the transaction after it has been sold is another thing
there is a difference there ya
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Jul 9 2018, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE(ListenToTheWind @ Jul 9 2018, 05:40 PM) Like I said, old stock old price. New stock they just ordered, got new price from distributor. if the older stock was higher priced and new stock is lower priced, you think they would sell the old stock at new lower price? They don't want to honor your order because that's with old pricing, they will end up making losses. dun need to make excuses for greed la. just call it out for what it is |
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Jul 9 2018, 06:02 PM
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Jul 9 2018, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE(ListenToTheWind @ Jul 9 2018, 06:06 PM) Take for instance, the stock that I have now is from year 2016. what you are describing is a different business process, one where quotation layer is in place.Just sold last 2 units few months ago. Few days ago the same customer order 2 more units but upon checking with distributor, the price for year 2018 increased a lot. I have no choice but to inform the customer that the new price is this, if they agree then we proceed. buying from online platform like lazada is different. there is no quotation layer. the price you see is the price for sale and the price for buying. jangan mau pandai pusing2 sebarangan |
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Jul 9 2018, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 9 2018, 10:23 PM) QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 9 2018, 10:39 PM) They realize the price not correct too late? Anyway, all i'm saying is any business do have their right to rectifying their mistakes and also right not to proceed with the transactions. Of course, consumer have their right not to buy from them as well. It's only fair practice. You can't just use the logic why he sold to 2 other customers with same pricing and you can't get the same pricing. If business decided to increase price overnight, you cant be complaining that they are selling to other at cheaper price yesterday, right? You can choose to proceed with the transaction or to walk away. QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 9 2018, 10:50 PM) Yes, ill definitely blame it on poor management, but what can you do? you do realize that ts already bought it right? the item is already sold. it is not price check. it is not booked item. it is sold.Just accept it, not that you paid and booked the item, no official agreement made. Seller can and do have right not to proceed with the transactions. Also, it will be their fault if anyone after you getting the lower price, but that's not the case right? image you at the shop, you pick up the item you want to buy with a price tag rm100. you are satisfied with it and bring it to the cashier. cashier rings it up and tells you price is rm100. you pay the cashier rm100. cashier takes your rm100 and give you receipt. at this point, the item is sold and you are the new owner of it. now instead of giving you the item, they hold on to it says that it is priced wrongly. what would you do at this juncture? |
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Jul 9 2018, 11:12 PM
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Jul 9 2018, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 9 2018, 11:09 PM) This isn't close one eye, in fact this is about what's right and what's not. Customer have their right doesn't mean customer always right. bro... just.. bro.. wtf you merepeking about online commerce nie?? you think this is auction site ah or those sites that mine deals/promo from other ecommerce sites??Merchant have to honor their mistakes given they recieved the cash and acknowledge the transaction in the first place, and they can always rectify their mistakes- i'm sure you encounter situation where people undercharge you then come to you and apologize and ask for more money. Are they in the wrong? Yes, but can they rectify it? Yes. They can and at any time cancel the deal or whatever promotion that they are having. Of course with their reputation on the line. But if they don't care about their reputation, what you going to do about it? It isn't illegal in any way so to speak. Then complain to lazada, make sure this merchant can't post anything for sale in lazada, but understanding how lazada work is you paid to lazada ( not the merchant) and lazada help you enquire on the product ( your money is still with lazada). Merchant reject the deal ( no money paid to them, yours is still with lazada). So it's up to lazada how they want to implement their house rule. thankx for the lulz lewat malam |
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Jul 9 2018, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Jul 9 2018, 11:21 PM) surely the act of posting it in forum doesnt amount to defamation. pretty sure it is the content of the post. e.g. true to fact = no defame, but if add extra fake additives here and there to spice things up then is another story. assuming ts didnt tell lies, how does that fit into defamation then? |
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Jul 9 2018, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 9 2018, 11:31 PM) aduiii... ini order fulfillment la this what happens after item is sold. make no mistake about that |
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Jul 9 2018, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Jul 9 2018, 11:39 PM) the question here is, pretty sure defamation laws doesnt spell out "did you engage with other party first to resolve? if you did then not defame, if you didnt then is defame".whether TS has given ample of time for seller to response, or has TS contacted Lazada dispute section to enquire about the case, or has TS communicate with seller directly via email or phone. If based on Lazada chat, could it be accounted efficient. Before seller has time to solve the issue, many thinks differently and react based on their emotion. The reputation for the seller has already gone down the drain with just posting a thread like this. Of course law abide customers to personally engage issues at best way with seller. but what if, buyer kept quiet, and did not engage with seller or platform marketplace provider about the dispute and simply just post it anywhere in media. your post sounds like quite a liberal interpretation of defamation or a very specific interpretation that fits a very specific situation |
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Jul 10 2018, 12:00 AM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « "order is cancelled due to price error" "price error happen after the implementation of 0% GST" "have to be done manually or via template extraction" "pass on the responsibility to the actual culprit ~ which is the marketplace" "We always honor sold price to our customer even it's below-cost or @ loss but if the error it's not from us, unfortunately we will bring our those responsible party" so root cause is due to price adjustment that is done manually. manually means human intervention. i'm pretty sure this "human" is an employee under your company or someone that have been given powers to do so. this places the responsibility of pricing on your shoulder. this is clear as day and yet you want to spin it off as someone else problem. even throw in "we always honor.. blablabla" line cakap tak serupa bikin this fella |
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QUOTE(edifgrto @ Jul 10 2018, 09:44 AM) if you dont know what chinaman attitude means then i pity you. if you do know what it means and choose to play the triggered sjw racist card then pity you even more QUOTE(ListenToTheWind @ Jul 10 2018, 11:01 AM) Unintended silly mistake. Put just enough stock level on the system. A customer walk in to purchase and forgotten to update the stock level in the system. still a mistake nonetheless. own up to it instead of using "apa sarahan saya" kad |
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Jul 11 2018, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 11 2018, 09:07 AM) Yes law is always above terms and conditions. That's why all terms and condition is prepared review and design by law practitioners to make sure it doesn't deviate from the law. you are derailed Means it will always contain the best way to protect the company interest by using and accommodating existing law Also means it doesn't break the law. Law practitioners also almost always doing the maintainance of terms anf conditions. What makes you think big companies like lazada didn't hire any legal entities to create t&c for them? Yes, seems like I'm really ignorant who doesn't understand t&c and just simply click I agree check box. Then want to complaint and shows self entitlement when companies exerting their rights which doesn't benefits me. Read above. And now try proof it that lazada can't cancel order. Better still, you can go and sue lazada if you so sure lazada is breaking the law. You're smart right? I'm sure you definitely can win the case and make lazada close shop. unethical and greedy business practice by merchant which is being chastised in this tered becomes OK practice just because the platform these merchant uses have lawyers to write up t&c? you make it sound like t&c is super fool proof and is perfect without any loopholes. this is far from true. in fact business t&c are typically lope sided and anti consumer that they get haul up to court all the time. and now you are sticking to lazada's cancellation legality?? QUOTE(FatalExe @ Jul 11 2018, 09:17 AM) Lol wait till he finds out that some company t&c actually says they own your soul if you use their product You do know even big corporations like Amazon, Google , Apple, Samsung get sued and lose all the time? You know they get fined for having illegal terms and contracts by governments all the time? Stop being so anti consumer Are you a stakeholder of some unethical corporation? Ridiculous QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 11 2018, 09:31 AM) Yes, now ts had paid 5 ringgit and reported to authority. Let's see what is it meant by real world. did you wake up on the wrong side of bed and knocked your head or something? your posts are going downhill from ill informed to retardation... Certainly happy to see lazada close shop. Or the shop itself close shop, but let's wait and see what is the real world have to offer to ts. A happy dally exciting news? Or a cold truths of the real world. apa terjadi nie? This post has been edited by bumpo: Jul 11 2018, 10:09 AM |
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Jul 11 2018, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(GHBZDK @ Jul 11 2018, 10:16 AM) my merchant frend who uses lazada also say the system is filled with glitch, he always taichi everything to lazada system problem. whos at fault here is up to individual to decide. just out of curiosity, is your fren one of those that does not care to properly update their inventory status/use fake status for the goods that they put up for sale? system fault then can be lazada error, seller willingly using shitty system because it earns him 8++ digit figures, can be seller fault also. not defending seller, my previous replies here all dissing about customer service quality and other things. seen too many times that seller list as having stock and when buy it, gets response that it will be delivered late coz no stock on hand and need to get from distributor crap. essentially they are fake advertising to get a sale. too frequent to be an isolated incident. wont be surprised if kena drilled for reason in cases like this seller will use "is ecommerece platform bug" card indiscriminately |
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 11 2018, 10:24 AM) I didn't say I supporting unethical business practices. You're putting word in my mouth. Go read the post where I'm replying to the owner. Do I sound like I'm protecting the owner? no sir, you are putting the words in your own mouth all by yourself. Also if you so strong willed to uphold your believe, I suggest you to go to property site where agent deliberately putting 1 zero less for landed property in their advertising. Or putting a different picture than what the real property look like. I'll support you. Not in this incidence where ts are certainly taking advantage of others mistakes. He can claim compensation voucher like other said. But he die die want to take advantage of the business. I don't support morally wrong ethics. I haven't got caught in any situation where i signed any t&c that own my life without me getting what I wanted in the first place. Like I said, law is above t&c and t&c is based on law loophole which benefits the company. I'm not so stupid to just simply click I agree without doing fast read on any tc. That's my practice. You on the other hand are supporting people taking advantage of others mistake. Shame on you. you pretty much say that you support unethical business practices as long as the t&c allows for it and is not illegal. even more so when you go the extra length to chastise the consumer as taking advantage of the business mistake in case you didnt already know, unethical does not mean illegal. just like a purchase does not mean order fulfillment. on your rant abt properties.. yes it is a very rampant practice to post up fake price/images to online sites as bait. while rampant, it does not make it acceptable or ethical. what's the point you're trying to make here? in ts case, he paid for the product. money left his pocket. then seller cancel it with excuse of wrong pricing which in seller own words, was manually set by them. this is not a case where pricing were middle of being updated/corrected when the sale happened. the one taking advantage here is the seller not the buyer. perhaps you want to add carpeting to your bedroom? you know... to prevent further head knocking in case you roll off the wrong side of bed |
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jul 11 2018, 01:08 PM) Quote me in which sentences I said I am supporting unethical business practices? Or any post that I post indicating that? there is a cup that can hold 1liter of water and it is half full.And what did ts have to lose? Since you're saying the one taking advantage here is the seller not the buyer. I don't see any, did they don't agree to refund ts? And for the trouble ts go through, can't he get any voucher from lazada as compensation like other experienced? And you cant even argue with logic and fact , the best you can do is personal attack. Also you can't prove that ts isn't taking advantage of other mistakes and you are very openly supporting this. Ts can at any point claim compensation voucher from lazada for his trouble instead he die die want to get the item at the cost he know he can't get anywhere else. You know what? Since you're lazy to scroll back, let me do this for you on my reply to the owner when he replied. you say "cup have 500ml more capacity" and then argue "i didnt say cup is half full" you didnt even know difference between purchase and order fulfillment and even tried to imply that until money is in merchant pocket it is not considered sold and lazada is only enquiring on buyer's behalf. sorry but your facts are based on such ill conceived understanding. it will just keep ajaran sesat you only not gonna argue with you further than this ![]() |
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QUOTE(chrischiang @ Jul 11 2018, 02:41 PM) LOL.. according to all those who said "Merchant have to honor their mistakes" did you hack the system or manipulated the pricing data? no? why do you feel then that it shouldn't be honored? I submit the order, proceed to fill in personal info, proceed to payment page, "make payment", order confirm... mean Switch MY should honor the deal below? [attachmentid=9909344] just get ur refund and move on... is not like they dont refund u |
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QUOTE(chrischiang @ Jul 11 2018, 06:10 PM) you are saying that you support on taking advantage on ppl's mistake? how do you ascertain that it was a mistake to begin with? for your post specifically there is nothing mentioned that it is a mistake. everyone would know this deal is not going be true (way beyond market price, literally free) because some mistake from the shop.. and you bringing out customer act and feel they should honor the deal? Your this action is morally unethical. seeking advantage from ppl's lost.. for all we know it is some special deal for vip members or something next time provide proper info la. macam ts, gave full a to z of the situation and not like yourself, give partial info then go off on a tangent "you are saying that... blablabla" |
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QUOTE(chrischiang @ Jul 11 2018, 09:25 PM) lol dont try to twist man.. which shop will give out apple watch for free.. tell me.. i surely join VVVVIP member.. or you are living in a non realistic world? and yet here you still not giving full info. was it a solo purchase? was it part of a combo deal? was it redemption of points? was it free gift?so far all you have shared is you bought it and asked if it should be honored without any other details and when a response is given with just that scope of info you are now going off tangent why dont you start by telling your full story first and why you conclude that it should not be honored? if you dont want to, then stfu yea |
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