
[V31] Lowyat.Net Mechanical Keyboard Club
[V31] Lowyat.Net Mechanical Keyboard Club
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Jun 3 2020, 12:01 PM
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Jun 3 2020, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(Adrian_Alastair @ Jun 3 2020, 12:01 PM) Glad you manage to get the DZ65RGB in stock. Though, in a hind sight, might want to ask KBDfans if you can top up a little for Cherry screw-in PCB mount, the ones in your picture seems like standard clip-in PCB mount. Also, in case they missed it, do let them know also that you would prefer if they pre-mod the case for the PCB (but might not be an issue for the V2, not entirely sure, it was an issue with the V1 PCB where 1-2 of the hot-swap sockets are nudging onto the case mounting posts)This post has been edited by GRexer: Jun 3 2020, 01:36 PM |
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Jun 3 2020, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(Adrian_Alastair @ Jun 3 2020, 12:01 PM) My first custom keyboard. Waiting game begins, hope everything goes smoothly. ok. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « note that this combo will have a weaker structural support, although it still work fine. it depends on only switches to secure top plate to pcb. also, the better choice of switches to be used in this case is pcb-mount/5-pin switches. |
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Jun 3 2020, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE(clivengu @ Jun 2 2020, 09:32 PM) Guys, I bought my first Mechanical Keyboard back in February, it was the Durgod K320- used one at quite a good price. Cherry red switches. Just want to share a bit of my experience. TBH it didn't turn up as how I thought it would be. The first impression is definitely good; well-made solidly build keyboard. Heavy. And the doubleshot pbt keycap simply is amazing attention to detail. razer green switch actuation force = 55cNIn term of typing experience.. I gave myself sometime to get use to it... I am only occasionally a gamer. Most of the time, I do normal typing(+-70wpm), and use with various softwares. After few months of using the keyboard, I think I can conclude that Cherry red Switch simply is not my favorite. I am not sure if I will like Blue or Brown switches. I thought gamer is swear by Red switches, but this 1-2 weeks I have been playing games more often, I found my finger rather tired, especially playing fps and car racing game, where I constantly have to press onto the "W" forward key. I feel like I need to use more force than i used to in compare to those typical membrane keyboard. As for Typing, i also dont find it excel either... I think the best typing experience I had is the Razer Green Switch... I have tried a few Cherry Blue switch in the stores, and I still feel the razer green feels more "refined". I am thinking to replace my Durgod keyboard with smthing of a tactile keys... but I am a bit hesitate to go Razer as the build quality isn't as good , and the plastic keycap isnt doubleshot pbt which I really enjoy now. But at the same time, I think im more eager to trying out their green switch in my next keyboard. Another mistake I made is that, I thought I will like the TKL layout... unfortunately for what I do, I really missed the numpad when needed, I always like smaller footprint keyboard such as the 65% or TKL, for its compactness and look. Unfortunately I need both the F1-F12 function keys and occasionally numbpad.. Look like i just have to stuck with a Full size keyboard. Any advice on what keyboard i should look for next? I really have been thinking maybe mechanical keyboard isnt the thing for me, and I considering jumping back to normal membrane keyboard btw, anyone interested to swap keyboard with me? I wan to experience different switches before investing in one that I really like. [attachmentid=10507798] [attachmentid=10507799] mx red = 45cN 1 thing to highlight is razer green is tactile; mx red is linear. So maybe ur muscle memory are used to the tactile bump? maybe u should try tactile. mx red is lighter than razer green lol, ur fingers shouldnt feel more fatigue. membrane keyboard? :triggered: membrane is QUOTE(Adrian_Alastair @ Jun 3 2020, 12:01 PM) edit: ![]() This is the details of gateron brown i found on its official website. What are the actual actuation and bottom up force of Gateron brown? edit2: nvm, i think i know how much alreayd This post has been edited by ShadowFiendZXC: Jun 3 2020, 02:09 PM |
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Jun 3 2020, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(GRexer @ Jun 3 2020, 01:35 PM) Glad you manage to get the DZ65RGB in stock. Though, in a hind sight, might want to ask KBDfans if you can top up a little for Cherry screw-in PCB mount, the ones in your picture seems like standard clip-in PCB mount. Also, in case they missed it, do let them know also that you would prefer if they pre-mod the case for the PCB (but might not be an issue for the V2, not entirely sure, it was an issue with the V1 PCB where 1-2 of the hot-swap sockets are nudging onto the case mounting posts) Noted, I'll see what they can do. Thanks. QUOTE(horns @ Jun 3 2020, 01:39 PM) ok. Hmm, now that you mention it, never crossed my mind before this. Will have to try them out first when all the parts arrive only decide on changing the switches. Thanks.note that this combo will have a weaker structural support, although it still work fine. it depends on only switches to secure top plate to pcb. also, the better choice of switches to be used in this case is pcb-mount/5-pin switches. |
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Jun 3 2020, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(Adrian_Alastair @ Jun 3 2020, 02:00 PM) Noted, I'll see what they can do. Thanks. don't worry, functionally, it's ok. it's just that structurally it's not that optimal.Hmm, now that you mention it, never crossed my mind before this. Will have to try them out first when all the parts arrive only decide on changing the switches. Thanks. |
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Jun 3 2020, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 3 2020, 10:03 AM) you're welcome base on all the kibods i have, i like my gateron blacks the most. smoothness aside coz its optical, the weight is pleasing. but i never tried yellow which most ppl who like heavier switches, like oso.as i suggested before, to play with custom springs, it's better to start with finding out spring weight range for yourself. this can be done by using stock switches on your current boards. this will help you narrow down the selection of custom springs significantly. it will be a waste if you get those that fall outside of the range. (i.e., too light, causing frequent mistypes; or too heavy, causing health issues for finger joints) so 65g-70g is ok for me i guess. |
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Jun 3 2020, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 3 2020, 03:53 PM) base on all the kibods i have, i like my gateron blacks the most. smoothness aside coz its optical, the weight is pleasing. but i never tried yellow which most ppl who like heavier switches, like oso. 60g, 65g, 67g, 70g, 75g. 1 pack each. Campur shipping baru RM178. Bereh boss.so 65g-70g is ok for me i guess. |
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Jun 3 2020, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 3 2020, 03:53 PM) base on all the kibods i have, i like my gateron blacks the most. smoothness aside coz its optical, the weight is pleasing. but i never tried yellow which most ppl who like heavier switches, like oso. well, you should also check this one out:so 65g-70g is ok for me i guess. https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboard...linear_tactile/ 65g is actually no.3, after 68g and 62g, for linear and tactile switches. (of course, this might be related to demographics also hehe) QUOTE(niakulah @ Jun 3 2020, 04:51 PM) haha! |
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Jun 3 2020, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jun 3 2020, 04:51 PM) hahahahaikat tepi pelissss. QUOTE(horns @ Jun 3 2020, 05:23 PM) well, you should also check this one out: thanks for the link. that gave some insights.https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboard...linear_tactile/ 65g is actually no.3, after 68g and 62g, for linear and tactile switches. (of course, this might be related to demographics also hehe) decisions owh decisions ! |
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Jun 3 2020, 06:41 PM
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MX blue bottom up is 60g which i feel quite heavy, so i buy 55g TX springs for brown switches. Correct right?
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Jun 3 2020, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 2 2020, 11:29 PM) the poison is stronk ! can borrow the ikbc bluetooth to test how it works? my kibods all are cheaper than ur Durgod i think(depends on how good of a deal u get). I have the Filco MJ2 if u want to try and that is if u r in Klang Valley. but give me few days to put on keycaps and try it myself first. long time no use so not sure if the switch is still clicky and consistent or not. i do have a green switch too. its heavier than blue and can get quite tiring after awhile of typing and it is full sized. This i rarely rarelyyyy use, only the first month of getting it i think. so switch feels new. owh, Filco is TKL. just trying to help in this community. it is nice being nice to other ppl. if ppl dont repay me, someday somehow god will. |
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Jun 4 2020, 12:16 AM
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Jun 4 2020, 12:29 AM
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QUOTE(ntw @ Jun 3 2020, 11:11 PM) cannnn. but looks like u ipoh mali. kibods cant cross states for now QUOTE(horns @ Jun 4 2020, 12:16 AM) you guys' signatures are so nice eh where's ur gaming rig? from now i will put my latest build specs in my signature also lol! |
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Jun 4 2020, 12:33 AM
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Jun 4 2020, 12:40 AM
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Jun 4 2020, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 4 2020, 12:40 AM) hahaha this current build is my first build with tx springs. it really does not disappoint. (.. and i finally understand the true values of these branded custom springs)now i really hope the maker of melgeek mojo75 will seriously consider to add a solderable pcb option. |
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Jun 4 2020, 01:34 AM
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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 4 2020, 01:01 AM) hahaha this current build is my first build with tx springs. it really does not disappoint. (.. and i finally understand the true values of these branded custom springs) now u really make me wanna pejam mata and buy the tx springs.now i really hope the maker of melgeek mojo75 will seriously consider to add a solderable pcb option. bye bye money for switches |
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Jun 4 2020, 07:15 AM
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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 4 2020, 01:34 AM) Aiyo..... same laQUOTE(horns @ Jun 4 2020, 01:01 AM) hahaha this current build is my first build with tx springs. it really does not disappoint. (.. and i finally understand the true values of these branded custom springs) This statement very poisonous. |
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Jun 4 2020, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 4 2020, 01:34 AM) QUOTE(niakulah @ Jun 4 2020, 07:15 AM) lol i will try explain: i started hand-pick my switches for a particular build after i found out stock switches do have different BOM, especially springs, e.g., there are two different stock springs in gateron white 67g that i have. one is shorter with lesser coils; another is longer, with more coils. to eliminate potential inconsistency due to springs, i just choose one of them for the same build. (this is also why it's better to get more switches than you need for a build). alternatively, i can just grab a bag of custom springs, and replace them all together. so i decided to do a little experiment.i started with stock switches with stock springs; then i tried chinese-made springs; and finally branded custom springs. i chose 65g, with gateron yellow stock springs as reference. they are all linear-rated springs. the key observations from this experiment are as follows: 1. the differences between the first two (stock vs. chinese-made custom springs) are mainly related to weight. chinese-made custom springs are similar to stock springs ('hard' in nature, pingy; the 'hardness' in feel, i believe, is mainly due to the characteristics of spring materials and similar designs). to me, they feel the same, but chinese-made custom springs provide a wider range of weights to cater for our needs, hence they got the weight part covered. also, for chinese-made custom springs, inconsistency in spring weight happens more often; 2. when i went for branded custom springs, the scope to cover have changed. on top of spring weight, they have unique spring designs and innovations that can change switch feels and sound further; the consistency in spring weight is covered too. you will definitely feel the obvious differences between a build of gateron yellow with stock springs, one with chinese-made 65g, and one with tx 65g. (the first two are harder to differentiate, at least to me) edit: honestly, the more you go into details, the more you will find out about shitty stuff like this. as consumer, we expect manufacturers deliver according to specs. unfortunately, it's really not the case. on a greater scheme of things, most people will treat this as insignificant deviations. it's ok because we all still survive hehe (let's embrace these perfect imperfections This post has been edited by horns: Jun 4 2020, 10:08 AM |
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