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niakulah
post Sep 9 2019, 09:25 AM

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Hello MKB Sifus,

I'm in need of a new keyboard for the office. Looking for recommendations.

I'm a touch typist who loves his keyboard shortcuts and uses the numpad regularly. I'd like a MKB that is:

- Not noisy (I can type quite fast and I worry a noisy keyboard will annoy my officemates)
- No lighting, or at least can be turned off without installing any software.
- Full size
- USB passthrough (for my Yubikey)

I've tried the Logitech G413 at the shops and kinda like it. A bit annoyed at the lack of a num lock indicator light though (from reading review, didn't notice it on the unplugged unit at the shop).

Any recommendations, sifus? Budget under 400.
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post Sep 12 2019, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Sep 9 2019, 09:25 AM)
Hello MKB Sifus,

I'm in need of a new keyboard for the office. Looking for recommendations.

I'm a touch typist who loves his keyboard shortcuts and uses the numpad regularly. I'd like a MKB that is:

- Not noisy (I can type quite fast and I worry a noisy keyboard will annoy my officemates)
- No lighting, or at least can be turned off without installing any software.
- Full size
- USB passthrough (for my Yubikey)

I've tried the Logitech G413 at the shops and kinda like it. A bit annoyed at the lack of a num lock indicator light though (from reading review, didn't notice it on the unplugged unit at the shop).

Any recommendations, sifus? Budget under 400.
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Anyone familiar with DAS model S with Cherry MX Brown? I doubt I'll be able to find a physical shop to try it out so I'm wondering if anyone has any hands on experience with it?
https://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-professional/

This meets my requirements (USB hub instead of passthrough, but doesn't make a difference for my needs). And right now it's on offer on Taobao for just under 400.
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220l...5919063:6536025
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post Sep 19 2019, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 18 2019, 02:43 PM)
the key idea to try out boards in shops is to check out the three main switch types (linear, tactile and clicky). this is usually for beginners that don't have clues about obvious differences of these switch types.

if this is suitable for your requirements, just get it. there are not many choices with such a feature.
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Thanks. I think I will.

Just for the benefit of anyone else with the same weird requirements/taste as me, here's another slightly more expensive option, the Matias Quiet Pro PC:

http://matias.ca/quietpro/pc/
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a230r...5919063:6536025
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post Sep 21 2019, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 21 2019, 12:25 AM)
you can pm quovadis123 or grexer here or in mymkb fb group for repair service. it looks like failing switches to me but there might be caused by other issues.

tbh i have a number of commercial boards. none of them fail. (well, none of them were from razer)

currently, if possible, you should top the budget up, and get leopold fc900r with cherry mx brown. (razer orange is tactile, like cherry mx brown) local leopold boards are sold at very good price. alternatively, you can look for options from ikbc.

good luck.
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Where do you get these local Leopolds?
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post Sep 21 2019, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 21 2019, 10:59 AM)
you can walk in to shops that sell them (i found it at digital mall), or order it online. iinm dotatech has it also.
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519 is considered a good price? Or is that normal retail price?
https://www.dotatech.com.my/collections/per...=29813527412839
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post Sep 30 2019, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 30 2019, 12:44 AM)
this is a basic note about cherry mx style custom switches. it's mainly about linear, but same principles can be applied for other switch types.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


that's it for now. sekian.
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Hooooboy...that looks like a slippery slope I don't want to start with.
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post Oct 16 2019, 05:28 PM

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Eagerly awaiting for 11.11 to get my first MKB from Taobao. Been doing a lot of reading in the meantime and have suddenly become very self-conscious about the oil and shine on my standard Dell keyboard. sweat.gif

Can I ask the sifus and regulars here, do you use PBT keycaps? Are your spacebars warped? Is it noticeable/annoying when they are?

If you mix and match keycaps(which I want to do eventually), is it annoying if they use different profiles?
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post Oct 17 2019, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Oct 16 2019, 05:36 PM)
I use taihao double shot PBT. imo its the cheapest but no shine or oily problem
No spacebar warped and I dont think its a common issue.
I do think its annoying tho if you mix keycaps with different profile.
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Thanks for the feedback bro. Yeah I saw some nice Taihao keycaps on Drop/Massdrop with decent price.
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post Oct 17 2019, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 17 2019, 01:59 AM)
during my early days with mkbs, i was like you, very self-conscious about oil and shines on thin abs caps. nowadays, it's not really that important anymore. (you can always clean them up from time to time fairly easily)

i like thick pbt keycaps from enjoypbt, compared to thick abs from jtk, maxkey, and gmk. sometimes you will get slightly warped space bar. warped space bar will cause noticeable rattling noise. yes, it's annoying. personally i don't like mixed profiles. it can be annoying, especially when the differences between profiles are significant. (e.g. DSA vs. SA)

all the above are actually related to individual preferences. different caps produce different sound profiles, depending on things like material (e.g., abs, pbt, pom), thickness, and key profile. some switch types are actually better if you used thin caps.
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Thanks bro. Yeah you can clean off the oils but the shine will still be there no? I think it's just because I just learned about this. Before this been happily using oily shiny keycaps for many years already. Lol

What do you do if you get a warped space bar? Buy a smaller space bar set only?
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post Oct 22 2019, 11:40 AM

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How is the quality of mStone keyboards compared to, say Leopold? Not many reviews out there.

Full size keyboard at what looks like a reasonable price on Drop:
https://drop.com/buy/mstone-groove-104a-ful...anical-keyboard
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post Nov 13 2019, 06:07 PM

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My first mechanical keyboard! Just arrived today. IKBC CD108 MX Brown for RM274 on 11.11 from Shopee.
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Build quality is much better than I expected for the price. Feels solid. Only complaint is that the actuation force is much lower than I thought it would be. Especially space bar and caps lock, too many accidental keypresses.

Oh and the OEM profile feels so tall! I think I need to get a wrist rest. Had a few accidental keypresses of the left Ctrl button with my palm resting on it due to the profile and case itself being so tall.

Anyone know of any way to make the keys heavier without desoldering the switches and swapping out the springs? For the longer keys that have stabs, do the wire springs come in different weights?

Oh and these are stabs with wire springs in the pic right?
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post Nov 14 2019, 07:18 AM

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Well....I watched a couple of videos on switch replacement last night and it doesn't look so bad. Looks like I'm on the hunt for a small number of MX clear and grey switches.

Only first day of ownership

Wheeeeee
Sound of me going down the slippery slope.
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post Nov 14 2019, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 14 2019, 01:27 PM)
it's ikbc. they are relatively decent as the commercial board option.

oem profile is ok to me. wait until you check out sa profile caps lol

the most direct way to replace springs for cherry mx style switches is still desoldering them then make changes. for custom builds, we have plates that have switch top removal feature, so that we can modify and maintain switches without desoldering. (or just go plateless)

the springs are inside the switch.
switch lubing and stabilizer tuning are two main mods that everyone should do for boards that support such mods.
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Yeah I was afraid of that. Well, as long as I'm desoldering them, I wonder is it better to change the whole switch or just the springs? Springs are cheaper but more work.

QUOTE(horns @ Nov 14 2019, 01:27 PM)
1k budget is a good start for custom builds. you can get quite a number of good kits.
in general, it depends on viscosity and amount of lube applied, spring weight, and type of housings, to make lighter typing feel. if you compared to the same switch only, viscosity and amount of lube applied, and how you apply it, are keys.
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Any chance I can slap a blob of engine grease in there to get a heavier feel? wink.gif
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post Nov 14 2019, 05:44 PM

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I know not all plates are designed for switch top removal, I'm not 100% sure if it can be done on mine?
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I'm tempted to get the first tool and try this on my keyboard. From the way the switch disassembles, I think it needs hardly any clearance to slide out? IDK.


Oh and the case is super easy to open with the right tools. Really liking this MKB.
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post Nov 15 2019, 07:02 AM

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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Nov 14 2019, 11:04 PM)
it still needed some clearance to pry open the tab holding top switch housing to bottom switch housing.

as for the case, it doesnt use any screws right?
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The tab curve inwards after the plate so that's why I'm thinking it might be possible. I did try a method from another YouTube video with modified binder clips. It seemed to move but perhaps needed more force...but I chickened out in case I was actually pulling the whole switch out of the PCB.

Yes case is screwless. Plastic tabs easily disengaged with a plastic scribe.
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post Nov 15 2019, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 15 2019, 10:06 AM)
yes replacing a whole switch is faster. imo this is kind of situational. modding a switch is actually simple, if you have parts lying around.

for heavier feel, it's better to replace spring. excess grease will take away the already weak tactility on your brown.

.. and no the top plate of your board is not meant for switch top removal. you can look up 'top plate switch top removal' with search engines and find out the differences (mainly the shape of switch holes)
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Thanks. Luckily I didn't pull my switch out. Do you have any solder recommendations? I still have my soldering iron and solder pump, but I'm not sure if I should use my more than 10 years old solder that I have in my store room. biggrin.gif

So for heavier feel, you would recommend changing my brown switch spring instead of changing to a heavier tactile switch like MX Clear or Grey?


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post Nov 15 2019, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 15 2019, 10:34 AM)
any solder will work, like those 60/40. age might not really be a problem.

i was comparing spring and engine grease as means to make heavier feel. in your case i guess you should just replace it with clear or grey
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Haha ok thanks. That engine grease thing was a joke tongue.gif
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post Nov 20 2019, 03:10 PM

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Stupid question - The switches provided with switch testers, are they usable? As in I can solder them to a real keyboard and use them?

I want to make certain keys on my keyboard with Cherry MX browns heavier. Thinking to use MX Clears and Tactile Grey. Theoretically I think I want only the spacebar to use grey, which is why I want to order a tester to be sure. And if I am correct that I only need 1 grey and a bunch of clears, I'd have the 1 usable grey in the tester already?

Or is it not advisable for other reasons, e.g. they use switches that failed QC or something for testers.

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post Nov 20 2019, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 20 2019, 05:45 PM)
yes you can use them for real boards. actually they are real switches.
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Great. Was hoping to hear that. So I've ordered my testers, will solder a gray and a clear on my board. If I'm right I'll get more clears.

Then I'm done. Endgame. Yeah right. tongue.gif
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post Nov 21 2019, 11:16 AM

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Gah! Why are all the nice keycaps SA? Or GMK ABS at silly prices?

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