TS, I think you have done enough. To go further will just punish yourself more. It is highly unlikely for the court to put Chen YK in jail for non-payment of a small debt so in the end you may get nothing. Even if you get your claim its value is far less than the trouble you have already put yourself through.

Idealist may say keep going but they are not in your shoes. In life we have to learn to move on.

I think you should give this case more exposure in the media... at the very least, put more eyes on this issue. Perhaps help accelerate things along.

on another note; I really want to salute, and thank TangkapPenipu for being so persistent in his rights. I wonder, to this day, did it costs you to peruse this case? Exclude time, travel, etc.

Indeed he wouldn't have any money or even want to pay you for that matter. But I believe the original intention of yours is to get justice served first, as I think your effort has far exceeded what you would recoup.

By the way, I don't think civil case can land the bastard in jail easily, that would be like the very last resort. I also don't think you would need to pay for his meals while he is behind the bars. Just imagine, he goes to jail because he owes you money, but you still have to pay for his meals when he owes you money. No logic lar I think. Don't believe what the court staff says outside of his/her jurisdiction, sometimes they are only half baked about their own jurisdiction.

even you manage to get him to attend court after his release from jail, you still need evidence to prove that this incident happen beyond reasonable doubt, which your case is weak from the beginning with only a photo which is still not sufficient.

Dear TS, he already getting his punishment for being who he is, however, you are still punishing yourself being who you are.

This is a sad case, People who are suppose to upheld the law and execute them simple gaji buta, play tai-chi.

if he's already currently in jail, I don't think you can get to extend his jail sentence with just your civil case

and you're probably right in thinking that scumbag probably don't have money to pay you anyway right now

quite typical for those judges actually.. they're bored with civil cases... but that bailiff and court staff probably just spewing bullshits, he/she probably don't even know much about the law.. what kind of looney world we're living in where victim has to pay for the jail expenditure of his/her wrongdoers...?

I'm highly interested at the sentence where your judge don't know what's gonna happen next and she need to discuss with other judges, as this could mean your case could be a landmark/leading case for future related cases, if you decided to press on of course..

whatever your decision from now, on whether to keep continuing the charges or just drop it, as a follower of this long thread since beginning, I'll support wholeheartedly..

you have invested a lot in this endeavor, and I understand the pros and cons of both of those decisions..

Most people will drop there case after given run around at the first hearing .

It depends on what TS wants to get out of this. If TS just wants to get compensation for his damage I think he should stop. It is already not worth the time, energy and his personal expenses to pursue compensation and it will get progressively worse if he continues.

If TS wants to teach the guy a lesson to get justice then I suppose he can continue his crusade but I fear he may be knocking himself more than the culprit. He should also take consideration that this is a known bad hat who knows where he stays and the car he drives and he is required by the judge to personally deal with this bad hat.

On no account should TS should continue this to entertain or satisfy those following his post.

Keep going TS. You might be the first one to actually follow through using the laws. That's why the judges are clueless, they never deal with it before.

I wish I could get both, to get my money & to put him in jail..

Only debt more than RM 30000.00 then can file for bankruptcy

Judge said don't know maybe this is a rare court case in history


This post has been edited by TangkapPenipu: Nov 1 2018, 09:20 PM

Thank you for your advice.

I went to bailiff's office to claim my RM 1000 deposit (deposit for Bailiff's mileage claim) this noon.
I accidentally met the head of bailiff, he said something that was very useful to all of us:
He said, before we file a civil case, we need to know our objective whether if we want to (1) claim money or (2) give defendant a lesson, send him to jail.

For my case, since Chen Yoon Kwee is in jail now, I do not think he has money to pay me; so I should proceed to give Chen Yoon Kwee
a lesson, that is to send him to jail.

My case is civil, if I want to send Chen Yoon Kwee to jail, I need to pay for his meals in jail, that is RM 35 per day.
According to Bailiff head, usually defendant like Chen Yoon Kwee will be put in jail in short time by plaintiff, short time means in between 1 to 2 weeks,
because plaintiff needs to pay for their meals.

For Chen Yoon Kwee, since he is a garbage and he goes to jail often (according to one Kajang jail's staff), if I extend 1-2 weeks for Chen Yoon Kwee
to stay in jail, do you think this will make any difference to Chen Yoon Kwee?
Maybe Chen Yoon Kwee is more than happy to stay extra 1-2 weeks in jail since he can get free foods in jail.

I feel like laws are only to be used to scare people so that people (especially nice people) can be disciplined; laws may not work on bad people like Chen Yoon Kwee.

Thank you for your support.

Few things I do not understand:
(1) for civil case, why we need to pay meals for defendants in jail?

(2) why we need to pay RM1000 security deposit as mileage claim for bailiff to go to defendant's house?

(3) why we need to use our car to pick-up and send defendant (together with one bailiff) to court?
This is very dangerous if defendant wants to do bad thing to us when I am driving.

(4) why we need to deliver court letter by ourselves to defendant's house?

(5) why we need to pay many times of court processing fees?

Can, civil case can send defendant to jail, but plaintiff pays for defendant's meals in jail, that is RM 35 per day.

If criminal case, government will pay for defendant's meals in jail.

This is true.. play tai-chi...


This post has been edited by TangkapPenipu: Nov 1 2018, 10:20 PM

Can, can extend his jail sentence with just my civil case (according to bailiff's head), but I need to pay meal for him when he is in jail, RM 35 per day.

According to bailiff's head, there are 2 methods to bring Chen Yoon Kwee from Kajang jail to KL court for judgment:
(1) the best way is to send him to KL court from Kajang jail before he is released from Kajang jail, after judgment, extend his jail sentence in Kajang jail.
(2) second way is not a smart way, ask prison warder to send him to KL court from Kajang jail when he is released from Kajang jail, after judgement then resend send him back to Kajang jail.

Thank you for your support..

Yes, I should stop, since I cannot claim his money, and no point to send this garbage to jail with my own money;
furthermore I think Chen Yoon Kwee is more than welcome me to extend his prison time when he can get more free food in jail.

Thank you for your support..

For Chen Yoon Kwee's car accident case, I have done the best on my part, I have no better alternative and I have to stop to continue this case in court.

But...how about Chen Yoon Kwee' car involved in an accident without no road tax and no insurance?
Who is responsible to catch this garbage for this case?

To be continued............

This post has been edited by TangkapPenipu: Nov 1 2018, 10:43 PM

In other word, bad people continuing be bad, and good people pays for it, literally as well.

What a sad state of Malaysian law.

Alright people, time to go all out publicising this sad reality of Malaysian law.

I will go to court to inform judge I want to stop this case.

Yes, anybody can help to put this story to medias? Like FB?
Thank you

Sad thing to hear, stay strong TS. Our judicial system is a joke. Clear cut, crystal clear case, but judge lassiez-faire and act like AI software. Why are they getting 5 figure salary when an AI software can do the same? Why we need human to be a judge when when what they're doing can be performed and emulated by a robot??!!

This is actually happening, TS aint fabricating the story. To those who mock TS, what if one day this happen to u or some1 u cherish? Youll never know one day youll be using TS's case as precedent. He helped brought this matter to attention, he's the pioneer who brought upon change 2 our law system, he paved the road 4 us all. This story goes beyond fast n furipus already, should put at serious kopitiam

This post has been edited by imalmighty: Nov 2 2018, 12:09 PM

Salute to TS!

Erm, maybe check with the R.AGE team from The Star? Or is it The Metro.. Just check with The Star la. Maybe send them the link to this thread too. They would be happy to pick up I hope.

This post has been edited by Lionel90: Nov 2 2018, 11:34 AM