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 Official Honda Civic 10th Gen Owner/Fans Club V7, 10th Gen Dream Machine

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bcteh
post Jan 3 2018, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(isr25 @ Jan 3 2018, 02:49 PM)
Seriously, how often do you run at maximum boost? If you drive at the track, or almost always run at 4K rpm or higher, by all means, go get the higher priced 10w30 to protect your engine.

90% of the drivers here are sensible enough to just save their money, and just get the 0w-20 - which still protects the engine properly. You can still drive hard, sure, but 99% of the time I drive, I just drive normally to save on fuel costs.

as per the FAQ on page 1: What type of engine oil should I use for my new Honda Civic?
Honda recommends that you use a Genuine Honda Motor Engine Oil or another commercial engine oil of suitable SAE viscosity for the ambient temperature of the country. Your Honda Civic is compatible with 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-30 and 10W-30 viscosity rating oils. However, it is recommended that you use 0W-20 oil as it is formulated to improve fuel economy.
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I just trying to give an idea what you getting with 0w-20. Some people might not consider these things when getting this oil.

I afraid those Msia marketing people just copy paste from US Honda without considering hot climate here.
0w-20 might work well is winter country but not so here.

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post Jan 3 2018, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(bcteh @ Jan 3 2018, 03:39 PM)
I just trying to give an idea what you getting with 0w-20. Some people might not consider these things when getting this oil.

I afraid those Msia marketing people just copy paste from US Honda without considering hot climate here.
0w-20 might work well is winter country but not so here.
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Dude, the engine oil normal operating temperature will run at more than 90°C. I highly doubt there are any difference (hot climate, cold climate) that affects engine oil needs - especially if it's 0w20. Anyway, their summers are essentially the same temperature as ours - Texas, Nevada etc. So in effect, the 0w20 oils are all-season engine oils - they don't have to change oils for different seasons.

I think you need to stop thinking that higher viscosity oils provide better all-year round protection in all situations. It's really up to the user to choose which engine oil is needed for their car, but I think users who are real street racers, would definitely know which engine oil is better for their use.

Your statement that 0w20 oil for turbo "is going to be disaster", "provide the least protection" and "don't think the engine will last long if you always use the turbo" is essentially wrong for 90% of the current Civic users.

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http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-t...ummer-10283951/ more reading smile.gif

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post Jan 3 2018, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(isr25 @ Jan 3 2018, 03:57 PM)
Dude, the engine oil normal operating temperature will run at more than 90°C. I highly doubt there are any difference (hot climate, cold climate) that affects engine oil needs - especially if it's 0w20. Anyway, their summers are essentially the same temperature as ours - Texas, Nevada etc. So in effect, the 0w20 oils are all-season engine oils - they don't have to change oils for different seasons.

I think you need to stop thinking that higher viscosity oils provide better all-year round protection in all situations. It's really up to the user to choose which engine oil is needed for their car, but I think users who are real street racers, would definitely know which engine oil is better for their use.

Your statement that 0w20 oil for turbo "is going to be disaster", "provide the least protection" and "don't think the engine will last long if you always use the turbo" is essentially wrong for 90% of the current Civic users.

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http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-t...ummer-10283951/ more reading smile.gif
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Dude .. I know under normal driving should be fine.
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post Jan 3 2018, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(bcteh @ Jan 3 2018, 02:34 PM)
I think those opt for 0w-20 engine oil into their turbo civic is going to be disaster.
0w-20 meant for low rev and save fuel and it provide the least protection.
I don't think the engine will last long if you always use the turbo.

For those who always high rev and drive fast, better get 5w-30 or 10w-30 for better protection. 10w-30 also quite fuel economical also.
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Could you elaborate on "if you always use the turbo"? Can we drive a turbocharged engine without using the turbo?
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post Jan 3 2018, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(Newbie838 @ Jan 3 2018, 09:18 PM)
Could you elaborate  on "if you always use the turbo"?  Can we drive a turbocharged engine without using the turbo?
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Yes I know civic turbo is trigger after 3.xK RPM. Yes I believe you can drive without turbo if you keep the RPM below the treshold. (I'm not turbo expert).

You testing me or really newbie ? tongue.gif

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post Jan 3 2018, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(Newbie838 @ Jan 3 2018, 09:18 PM)
Could you elaborate  on "if you always use the turbo"?  Can we drive a turbocharged engine without using the turbo?
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I think what it means is that if rev the engine harder the turbo will run more, case in fact if you see your turbo meter the amount of differential pressure shows how hard the turbo is working. More bars light up means run more I suppose in lay man terms.

Anyway I totally agree to use 0W20 as it offers less resistance and adequate protection. You don’t need thicker oil nowadays to offer equal protection, as synthetic technologies now enable oil to run at vastly different temperature while offer equal amount of protection ( chemical properties which the reaction to minimise friction while provide a thin layer of barrier between metal parts).
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post Jan 3 2018, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(bcteh @ Jan 3 2018, 09:31 PM)
Yes I know civic turbo is trigger after 3.xK RPM. Yes I believe you can drive without turbo if you keep the RPM below the treshold. (I'm not turbo expert).

You testing me or really newbie ?  tongue.gif
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Erm...... I do apologise bro but the turbo for civic kicks in at 1500 rpm. But it is staggered. You will see it in your turbo meter what I mean. Basically it windmills itself until you exert more and the engine pushes harder, thus the engine would generate more exhaust due to the extra fuel burnt. It would translate to the turbo where the exhaust flow would push more air into the engine.
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post Jan 3 2018, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(alvinrenren @ Jan 3 2018, 09:38 PM)
Erm...... I do apologise bro but the turbo for civic kicks in at 1500 rpm. But it is staggered. You will see it in your turbo meter what I mean. Basically it windmills itself until you exert more and the engine pushes harder, thus the engine would generate more exhaust due to the extra fuel burnt. It would translate to the turbo where the exhaust flow would push more air into the engine.
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Ya ka ? hmm.. 1500 rpm ? Need to double checked again. My salesman told me 3K pulak. During test drive also feel the power when above 3k.
Thanks for the info.

Anyway, I drive 1.8s.

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post Jan 3 2018, 11:47 PM

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Anyone plan to let go their stock 17" rim+tyres, can PM me smile.gif

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post Jan 4 2018, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(bcteh @ Jan 3 2018, 10:04 PM)
Ya ka ? hmm.. 1500 rpm ?  Need to double checked again. My salesman told me 3K pulak. During test drive also feel the power when above 3k.
Thanks for the info.

Anyway, I drive 1.8s.
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After check back let us know ya, we can learn more on this. Probably ask on the oil as well, really curious on this.

Correct me if I’m wrong, the engine oil for this civic also goes to the turbo, means whatever oil we decide to put in to protect (we assume) the engine also will affect the turbo as well?
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post Jan 4 2018, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(bcteh @ Jan 3 2018, 10:04 PM)
Ya ka ? hmm.. 1500 rpm ?  Need to double checked again. My salesman told me 3K pulak. During test drive also feel the power when above 3k.
Thanks for the info.

Anyway, I drive 1.8s.
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Cannot be 3000rpm lar.. Civic turbo max torque 220nm @ 1700rpm. So the turbo can kick in below 1700rpm. Without turbo a 1.5 engine cannot generate 220nm @ 1700rpm.
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post Jan 4 2018, 09:51 AM

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post Jan 4 2018, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(bcteh @ Jan 3 2018, 09:31 PM)
Yes I know civic turbo is trigger after 3.xK RPM. Yes I believe you can drive without turbo if you keep the RPM below the treshold. (I'm not turbo expert).

You testing me or really newbie ?  tongue.gif
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Hehehe. No harm in asking and learning. Mana tau I may be wrong.
My understanding of turbo is it's always working from the moment you start the engine. The higher your rpm the faster it spins and the more boost you get. Ours starts boosting at around 1.5k rpm.
Just to add, turbo engines usually have lower compression when compared to NA. This is to allows more air-fuel mix to be pumped into the cylinder. Because of this, when you do encounter turbo failure, your engine will shudder a lot and feel lifeless. In essence, without the turbocharger, it's actually a lot less powerful than a conventional 1.5 NA engine.

As for 0-20 oil, I believe it's sufficient for our engine. There's a lot of false information being spread about the maintenance of these engines. Unless you're pushing it really hard everyday, upgrading the oil is just overkill.
Just my 2 cents. Kalau salah tolong tunjukkan.
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post Jan 4 2018, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(berann @ Jan 4 2018, 09:42 AM)
Cannot be 3000rpm lar.. Civic turbo max torque 220nm @ 1700rpm. So the turbo can kick in below 1700rpm. Without turbo a 1.5 engine cannot generate 220nm @ 1700rpm.
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Bro.. from this dyno chart .. torque max at 4500 - 5500.

I still remember the power for this Civic turbo is very linear and don't jump high suddenly.


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jamespaul
post Jan 4 2018, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(bcteh @ Jan 4 2018, 10:49 AM)
Bro.. from this dyno chart .. torque max at 4500 - 5500.

I still remember the power for this Civic turbo is very linear and don't jump high suddenly.
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Civic 1.5 is tuned for efficiency not speed. Hence, the linear curve.

Civic 1.5 0-100km/h, tested with Vbox is 9.1s. stock everything, and no passenger.

Which is very respectable.

BCteh, good find
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post Jan 4 2018, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Jan 4 2018, 10:57 AM)
Civic 1.5 is tuned for efficiency not speed. Hence, the linear curve.

Civic 1.5 0-100km/h, tested with Vbox is 9.1s. stock everything, and no passenger.

Which is very respectable.

BCteh, good find
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1.5 turbo 0-100kmh 9.1 secs is too slow. test result depend on driver and conditions.

Performancedrive aus tested stock civic 0-100kmh in 7.54 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzV_zGVGrFw
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post Jan 4 2018, 11:52 AM

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Guys, wanna ask about my Civic 1.5 headlamp. Currently damn hard to see. So I plan to change it to HID. Where do you guys recommend to do?

I plan to use OSRAM. Some say use, NIGHT BREAKER LASER - H11 for high beam/low beam and H4 for the fog lamp. Any idea on the cost as well? Thanks. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Jan 4 2018, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(berann @ Jan 4 2018, 11:25 AM)
1.5 turbo 0-100kmh 9.1 secs is too slow. test result depend on driver and conditions.

Performancedrive aus tested stock civic 0-100kmh in 7.54 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzV_zGVGrFw
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Looks like they brake torque their cars... hmmmm...
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post Jan 4 2018, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(azrinarizz @ Jan 4 2018, 11:52 AM)
Guys, wanna ask about my Civic 1.5 headlamp. Currently damn hard to see. So I plan to change it to HID. Where do you guys recommend to do?

I plan to use OSRAM. Some say use, NIGHT BREAKER LASER - H11 for high beam/low beam and H4 for the fog lamp. Any idea on the cost as well? Thanks. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Never change to HID, it is illegal and has tons of glare. Pretty sure it voids your electricals warranty too

Try the OSRAM halogen performance bulbs, they should improve visibility. Pricing is around RM200-300
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QUOTE(azrinarizz @ Jan 4 2018, 11:52 AM)
Guys, wanna ask about my Civic 1.5 headlamp. Currently damn hard to see. So I plan to change it to HID. Where do you guys recommend to do?

I plan to use OSRAM. Some say use, NIGHT BREAKER LASER - H11 for high beam/low beam and H4 for the fog lamp. Any idea on the cost as well? Thanks. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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HID retrofitting is prohibited by JPJ

also HID produces more UV light wave and cause cause premature aging/problem to the headlamp assembly

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