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alvinrenren
post Nov 4 2017, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(andyshim89 @ Oct 26 2017, 07:28 PM)
that one is filler for capless petrol tank...if one day habis petrol, you need the filler
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Civic in other country have capless fuel tank, we don’t have . That is what happen when copy engineer didn’t do home work and double check 😅
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post Nov 10 2017, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(JshyanL @ Nov 10 2017, 02:05 PM)
Question. Will I void the warranty(window related or power circuit) of the car if I apply the window film not under Honda??
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I think this has been answered before.

Honestly this has got to be the most ridiculous thing ever said by Honda if they say tint ourselves will void warranty.

Answer is no.

alvinrenren
post Nov 11 2017, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Nov 10 2017, 10:33 PM)
This one pure bullshit haha...  sweat.gif my wife Honda City had motor issue on the front left... I did Raytech tinting, they changed the motor without questions about tint LOL. Its all about the SC want help or not.
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Definitely pure utter bull, no such thing as recognition letter. If you bring the letter during your claim, probably the staff at counter literally laugh out loud in front of you. When claim always be humble and understanding and they will do for you, it is always up to their prerogative to accept your claim. When they accept it means they have business ( SC) . Sometimes a particular SC have high number of claims then HQ will require some additional justification but it is for them to handle.
alvinrenren
post Nov 15 2017, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(Kuniang @ Nov 14 2017, 10:06 PM)
They are who they are cause they lack logic, thus your logic is lost
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In other words, common sense is only applicable when it is common.
alvinrenren
post Nov 16 2017, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(AccelTech @ Nov 16 2017, 01:38 PM)
Hi Guys! I've been researching on getting a C segment and because of aesthetic purposes I might be going for the Honda Civic, regardless whether the variant is 1.8 or 1.5 TC. Would all the sifus here to advise what should I be looking at on getting either a used or new FC civic.
My budget is allocating around RM100 to 110k and installment looking below RM1.2k
Currently driving a Suzuki Swift for 8 years so changing into a civic will be a huge upgrade for me.
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Save money for few more months and get 1.5TCP. You can save on the body kit and accessories.
alvinrenren
post Nov 20 2017, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(gtp777 @ Nov 20 2017, 07:31 PM)
I pump petronas since day 1 never happened before now 2nd time in a row already right after i pump full tank...damn frustrating..the jerk is so bad that feels like when u r iding a bicycle and the chain gets stuck
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Sounds like that petrol station’s refill fuel tanker may accidentally pump diesel into station’s petrol tank a little bit or something 😅. Like for 5 mins tanker refill then suddenly his light bulb light up and opps.

Anyhow it is just speculation. Could very well be CVT. personally I always try to use shell.
alvinrenren
post Nov 21 2017, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ Nov 21 2017, 11:36 AM)
What he is saying is that to use deduction method

1. Change of petrol brand/station.
----potential issue with that certain station. Example is when the refueler tank (big tanker) come refuel the station, the operator mixed up and refuel the petrol reservoir with some diesel. So changing petrol station can solve this kind of issue.

2. If the previous fails then go to Service center, since the issue is not with the petrol fuel
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No worries, after I got a call from him, we were able to pin point some steps to cross check. It will take some time but It seems the issue is considerably small and he will be able to hopefully solve it in due time.
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post Nov 23 2017, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(JshyanL @ Nov 23 2017, 11:57 AM)
Do you apply the top insulator to your car? How is the result? I can't stand the "wind noise" cause by the aerodynamic at the side mirror when drive above 110km/h. bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif
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Yea I’m kind of interested to find out as well, to cut that noise we need to autofoam or do mlv (mass loaded vinyl), or both? Tyres would definitely need to put something at the wheel arches if I’m not mistaken, stp liquid gold or something?

Then dynamat stuff?
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post Nov 23 2017, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(karichiken @ Nov 23 2017, 09:35 PM)
I got a new Civic 1 month old. Dashboard rattling. Wrote to HM to help. Service advisor from Ambang Botanic called. I explained to him the rattling happens on rough road or when I drive above 100Km/h. He told me they must test the car to replicate the problem but can only drive up to 90Km/h because Kesas Highway speed limit is 90KM/h. !@#$%^&
I don't think he is serious about solving the problem, just give some excuse to get ride of me. And this is not the first time I face bad service from these "Honda" service centers.

Anyone knows of any service center that you take complains seriously?
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I believe the front page have some explanation on the rattling sound. However if you could not find that info, the part- summary is that rattling is common for this civic.

SC is correct to follow speed limit.

The rattling should come from dashboard right side against the pillar.

Some owner put a piece or folded paper to stop the rattling.

For me, i just keep an eye, after few months it goes away. New car all plastic part is touching metal part and against other plastic part so lots of tight fitting and rattling. It will go away after awhile of driving (weeks/ months/ hopefully not years).

You need you understand how might they "fix" your rattling. I have seen my previous car, when i send to SC and complain on the rattling, they take a big metal rod and bend the door frame cause they"think the sound is coming from there and the metal frame is rattling on the plastic part". Local car brand.

If you decide to really find a SC to do this, find one that has less customer, and need to do weekday when less jobs for them to do ( some SC need to turn over 30+ cars in a day so no time to play with you biggrin.gif ).
alvinrenren
post Nov 24 2017, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Nov 24 2017, 02:31 PM)
IMHO, if you are already forking out more than 100k+ for a car, you wouldn't mind spending extra if it makes you happy. Sure you might not need those extra features but the satisfaction that comes along will make you regret why you didn't take it in the first place.

Also when you hear the turbo sound kicks in...vrrooommmmm, worth all of it.
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The turbo sound is not that prominent in this civic. But it does feel more powerful. Yea since already fork out 100k+, should just get the top range and live with a better featured car, even if it means save up for another few months for it to get it. Save your money on the super expensive accessories and have a good tint as well.
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post Dec 5 2017, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(matmoto5125 @ Dec 5 2017, 02:56 PM)
Just visited Dent Repair Malaysia in Puchong earlier to fix few dents on the door. Very professionally done. Recommended if you need to fix minor dents due to other people opened their door too wide.
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Not just open door like swat team raid a house style of opening door, I sit inside car personally see once a proton park beside they open bang my car, civic whole car shake.

Sometimes also aunty with specially big bag and lots of keychain drag past your car. Like wolverine scratch your car few lines together de.
alvinrenren
post Jan 3 2018, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(Newbie838 @ Jan 3 2018, 09:18 PM)
Could you elaborate  on "if you always use the turbo"?  Can we drive a turbocharged engine without using the turbo?
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I think what it means is that if rev the engine harder the turbo will run more, case in fact if you see your turbo meter the amount of differential pressure shows how hard the turbo is working. More bars light up means run more I suppose in lay man terms.

Anyway I totally agree to use 0W20 as it offers less resistance and adequate protection. You don’t need thicker oil nowadays to offer equal protection, as synthetic technologies now enable oil to run at vastly different temperature while offer equal amount of protection ( chemical properties which the reaction to minimise friction while provide a thin layer of barrier between metal parts).
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post Jan 3 2018, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(bcteh @ Jan 3 2018, 09:31 PM)
Yes I know civic turbo is trigger after 3.xK RPM. Yes I believe you can drive without turbo if you keep the RPM below the treshold. (I'm not turbo expert).

You testing me or really newbie ?  tongue.gif
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Erm...... I do apologise bro but the turbo for civic kicks in at 1500 rpm. But it is staggered. You will see it in your turbo meter what I mean. Basically it windmills itself until you exert more and the engine pushes harder, thus the engine would generate more exhaust due to the extra fuel burnt. It would translate to the turbo where the exhaust flow would push more air into the engine.
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post Jan 4 2018, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(bcteh @ Jan 3 2018, 10:04 PM)
Ya ka ? hmm.. 1500 rpm ?  Need to double checked again. My salesman told me 3K pulak. During test drive also feel the power when above 3k.
Thanks for the info.

Anyway, I drive 1.8s.
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After check back let us know ya, we can learn more on this. Probably ask on the oil as well, really curious on this.

Correct me if I’m wrong, the engine oil for this civic also goes to the turbo, means whatever oil we decide to put in to protect (we assume) the engine also will affect the turbo as well?
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post Jan 4 2018, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Jan 4 2018, 01:23 PM)
Disagree. Projectors for Halogen is different from projectors for HID.

HID with projectors come with auto height adjustments and squirrel spotters for glare.

Halogen projectors are designed for halogens.

Also, HID requires huge current upon start up, this stresses a system that is not designed for it.

Your car battery may wear faster, the amount of UV from the HID bulbs will burn your projector housing and also may haze your headlights in the long run.

Using halogens in halogen housing, is still the best practice and safest to everyone
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There is a possibility that the halogen ones are designed for HID ( not too sure about this civic). I recall on the crv although it is a halogen, they have a slot for hid conversion kit at each light fixture where you would slot the ballast as well. Used Philip HID conversion kit and no issue.

Honda offer HID for certain model, like the old version of crv for premium full spec. It also depends on contries as well as we all know civic malaysia don’t have many of the stuff compared to civic USA.

Anyway to dwell deeper into this, manufacturer sometimes will design a base car (let’s say civic) and put in certain features as base model (not necessarily Malaysia spec 1.8 base model). Depend on country, they will offer different spec, take out stuff and put in stuff for the car. So sometimes u will see stuff in the car which does not make sense (like empty slot for buttons). To cut cost however, the frame ( in this case the headlight set) will still be HID compliant but just downgraded to halogen. This way the supplier for Honda would only need to concentrate on 100 million headlight ( for example) rather than different specification for different model. Honda then only able to cut cost as the supplier don’t need different manufacturing line as well.

Obviously for other car models which does not have this hid version for the premium line ( like myvi or iriz) it means the halogen headlight would not need to be designed to accommodate HID conversion. Which brings us to the question, for civic, some countries would require cars to be fitted HID depending on weather conditions and some need the headlight to be HID compliant just in case. Would Honda have different specification for this?
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post Jan 4 2018, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Jan 4 2018, 04:01 PM)
HID conversion kits are illegal because of glare!

In order for manufacturer to install HID kits, they first need to install Self Leveling actuators for the projectors. As HID lights are 50-100% brighter, this Self Leveling actuators ensures that the beams are aimed correctly.

Even if stock cars have mounts for HID ballasts, they still need to replace the whole projector module (projectors with self leveling actuators)

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-t...-kits-explained
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Basically you are correct for hid is illegal due to glare. However if there is no glare then it is legal. Legality of the hid depends on whether the headlight is designed for hid or not, and not whether it is giving out too much glare( hard to dispute on ‘too much’ and level of glare)

If the headlight is designed for hid but instead of using hid, it was replaced with halogen due to several factor, upgrading it back to hid by having the conversion kit is not illegal. This is what my message is about.

As you also aware about, self levelling function is not an industry wide technology and requirement as not all car companies have them, even Honda previously who also sell cars with hid also do not have them, not to mention Chinese brands and Eastern European car brands.

All lights have to be properly adjusted to the specific level to have the furthest throw while not blinding oncoming traffic. This applies to halogen, hid, led, bright or less bright lights. Having a halogen headlight does not mean u can drive with a badly adjusted light( imagine driving with high beam all the time, those are also halogen).

However I do appreciate the link to the news from uk site. As mentioned, some countries (obviously not Malaysia ) do require cars to have hid, or the need to convert to them due to various factors, and meantime also have countries where hid is/ was illegal. But after the rich guys with the Benz and bmw start to use them, politicians then change the rules.

HID have further throw through the fog than LED or halogen, if anyone else is wondering. But it does not mean u start to use it as fog light as it is not designed for it. Rural area where there are no street lights but have high speed limits also will need those, especially dangerous if the road is tighter and have vegetation at sides, to warn others of your car.

Also obvious in this case are the fact that there is also small percentage of drivers have sensitive eyes especially to glare, as our driving license mostly are kopi style, no proper eye test for these, it could pose issue when driving, not least Hid lights but also the latest led street lights as well. This is actually a combination of few things, eyes, headlights/ street lights, and the windscreen. If the windscreen is not properly treated with the glass coating / sealant, time will degrade the glass and glare will increased. Now normally this does not pose any significant issue with people but the combination above will definitely cause some issue with a minor group or drivers.

My 20cents 😆....
alvinrenren
post Jan 5 2018, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jan 5 2018, 02:33 PM)
To be exact, the turbocharger starts spinning the moment engine is started and exhaust starts producing. Just that the boost isn't much and not at the surgeline (the rated sweetspot for effective boost). What you see in the spec sheet is the peak torque produced at which rev range.
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You sir, are correct. Unless we talk about sequential turbo a.k.a porshe where they would have variable boost, normally it would be as what you mentioned.
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post Jan 6 2018, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ Jan 4 2018, 06:51 PM)
I check with civicx forum
it seems they convert to HID and all ballast was cable tied or jerryrigged some fixture to hold it

so I dont think this gen civic is design with HID in mind
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Actually.... there are few reasons on why we jerryrig these to the frame. One of the main reason is that we don’t have the confidence in the double sided tape (even if 3M) to stick the ballast (which is super heavy) to the headlight as it might fall off (a year, 2 years, 5 years). This is especially so if the location of the ballast where the headlight design gave, is located. Some would include specific drilled holes for screws but did not mention the screw size, if wrong size screw is used ( diameter and length), it would crack the housing. In this case for newer cars like Civic now, the location is no longer useful( for the ballast to stick to the headlight) as it is better to jerryrig this to the frame. Hence no location for ballast provided since no longer used.
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post Jan 6 2018, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Jan 5 2018, 09:03 AM)
<a href='https://<link removed>/2017/04/14/are-halogen-to-hid-conversions-legal-we-ask-jpj/' target='_blank'>https://<link removed>/2017/04/14/are-halogen-...gal-we-ask-jpj/</a>

All conversions are illegal, glare management requires the right tools. If a headlight is designed with Halogen bulbs in mind, they have clearer projector lens, larger squirrel spotters for signages and self-levelling.

How many shops in Malaysia do a HID conversion for any car do light aiming and alignment? That's why it has been made illegal.

HID from factories are typically aimed lower, have self leveling, fresnel-ed projector lens.

If conversion is by swapping out the entire headlight module with a factory HID setup, that is legal.

A direct bulb swap, it is illegal.
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Erm...... you are correct on a few statement there kind sir. Glare management do require right tool. They also need to do light aiming and alignment. There are official distributors of Osram and Philip that have these tools to do for you. Obviously I’m not saying all shops that do HID conversions are able to do it proper, but, the official ones which have the license to sell and install would have them. Obvious also that in one of my earlier mention, if it has been designed for HID and due to cost cutting some of the system was taken out when pushed to be sold in Malaysia, halogen bulb was used in then HID housing.

Some of the easier mention of these practise you can find out by comparing same cars from japan and Malaysia ( may use Mazda and Honda for ease of reference, or can use Civic full spec from Thailand, singapore and Malaysia).

Whether fesneled or not is just one of the method to control the glare. This is not an industrial wide practise to have fresneled lens for HID. Nor the industrial wide practise to aim lower for HID. The aim is adjusted based on proper alignment for each car as each car has different height, and characteristic. Some manufacturer/ owner even readjust the aim after few years as the alignment was out after years of utilisation, this is part of Service.

Hence this is kind of a technical explanation for the current misconception of HID. In actuality, LED has higher glare issue if those are not properly adjusted, we don’t see jpj go around and ban LED. Some rules were of best of intention but....

Anyway, I’m not selling these, just saw a post and decide to share some proper explanation and not to pass out judgement on the misconceptions. The article from uk post and the comment from a writer on one of our newspaper was good though.
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post Jan 8 2018, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(wongth7 @ Jan 8 2018, 11:18 AM)
U see the feedback here u already can roughly know about the quality
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Erm..... can be a little bit more specific boss? If not let me make small summary on the issue.

Basically on the performance part no issue for the turbo. As the size of the turbo is considerably small, with the systems being design to last the lifetime of the car, no issue for the foreseeable future.

In addition as the system is designed for efficiency and not performance, the wear and tear would not in general be as drastic as performance cars. Obviously if you drive like in sepang style everyday, it would be a different story, just as you would have the issues for other cars.

Maybe if the car salesman is talking about other turbo cars or the old ones he used to own.....

Apple and oranges boss.....

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