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T+1
post Apr 25 2007, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Apr 25 2007, 11:17 AM)
too bad I dont go to the gym every single day
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 25 2007, 11:19 AM)
T+1, you're pretty ripped yourself. Workout everyday? sweat.gif
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i have dumbbells at home biggrin.gif


Added on April 25, 2007, 11:35 am
QUOTE(Kelvinz @ Apr 25 2007, 11:27 AM)
It is plausible that the high repetition myth was originated and later propagated by bodybuilders that used calorie restrictive diets to shed fat before a contest. Because of their weakened state from dieting, they were unable to use their usual heavier weights. When inquired about their use of lighter weights, they explained they were "cutting up" for a contest. This is merely a theory, but it is easy to see how it may have been misunderstood that the lighter weight was used to reduce fat instead of actually being a result of their dietary regime.

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good explanation for the myth laugh.gif

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post Apr 25 2007, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(T+1 @ Apr 25 2007, 11:30 AM)
good explanation for the myth  laugh.gif
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can we trust 100% the source? icon_idea.gif
i prefer high weight with moderate reps icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 25 2007, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(musclemass @ Apr 24 2007, 10:53 PM)
Bone mass... Meaning the other has a heavier bone structure.
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QUOTE(T+1 @ Apr 25 2007, 12:27 AM)
besides factor of bone structure & density, muscle is much heavier than fat.
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what is volume difference between 1 kg of fat & 1 kg of muscle?
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post Apr 25 2007, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(biebie @ Apr 25 2007, 02:16 PM)
what is volume difference between 1 kg of fat & 1 kg of muscle?
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1kg of muscle = less mass || hard to be seen but you will be heavier

1kg of fat = more mass || easy to be seen but you wont be THAT heavy
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post Apr 25 2007, 03:05 PM

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fat 1 : 2 muscle.

muscle is 2 times heavier than fat. around there la.
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post Apr 25 2007, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(jones007 @ Apr 25 2007, 03:05 PM)
fat 1 : 2 muscle.

muscle is 2 times heavier than fat. around there la.
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sadly alot of ppl in malaysia thinks its the other way round
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post Apr 25 2007, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(Kelvinz @ Apr 25 2007, 11:59 AM)
can we trust 100% the source? icon_idea.gif
i prefer high weight with moderate reps icon_rolleyes.gif
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You prefer... Any scientific explanation to back it up? This is the whole situation with 90% of the people in the gym... They go around doing things that they FEEL/THINK is appropriate instead of things that are proven to work.

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post Apr 25 2007, 03:45 PM

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fat 1 : 2 muscle.

muscle is 2 times heavier than fat. around there la.

hmm.... therefore my thinking of losing fat not weight is some sort correct i think.

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post Apr 25 2007, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(musclemass @ Apr 25 2007, 03:43 PM)
You prefer... Any scientific explanation to back it up? This is the whole situation with 90% of the people in the gym... They go around doing things that they FEEL/THINK is appropriate instead of things that are proven to work.
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At least I think with high weight moderate reps didn't harm me. Or else you know anything cons of it?
So what you doing now? I meant low weight high reps or high weight low reps. and do you got any scientific explanation to back it up? so I can follow. rclxms.gif

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post Apr 25 2007, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(Kelvinz @ Apr 25 2007, 04:07 PM)
At least I think with high weight moderate reps didn't harm me. Or else you know anything cons of it?
So what you doing now? I meant low weight high reps or high weight low reps. and do you got any scientific explanation to back it up? so I can follow. rclxms.gif
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You prefer, but does it work for you? Some people grow more on high reps and some explode in growth on low reps. It depends on the composition of high or low twitch muscle fibres in an individual or a bodypart. This is something you must experiment by yourself.

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post Apr 25 2007, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(Kelvinz @ Apr 25 2007, 04:07 PM)
At least I think with high weight moderate reps didn't harm me. Or else you know anything cons of it?
So what you doing now? I meant low weight high reps or high weight low reps. and do you got any scientific explanation to back it up? so I can follow. rclxms.gif
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You want scientific proof? Just read all the topics that have been pinned up.

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post Apr 25 2007, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 25 2007, 04:10 PM)
You prefer, but does it work for you? Some people grow more on high reps and some explode in growth on low reps. It depends on the composition of high or low twitch muscle fibres in an individual or a bodypart. This is something you must experiment by yourself.
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ok, thanks, really appreciate it.

QUOTE(musclemass @ Apr 25 2007, 04:11 PM)
You want scientific proof? Just read all the topics that have been pinned up.
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no, I just want to know you do
1)light weight high rep OR
2)heavy weight low rep
and I want to know why do you choose cuz just now you just asked me and i can't give you a scientific explanation to my choice so I wanna know izzit your choice got good scientific explnation back up.
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post Apr 25 2007, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Kelvinz @ Apr 25 2007, 04:15 PM)
ok, thanks, really appreciate it.
no, I just want to know you do
1)light weight high rep    OR
2)heavy weight low rep
and I want to know why do you choose cuz just now you just asked me and i can't give you a scientific explanation to my choice so I wanna know izzit your choice got good scientific explnation back up.
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Yes, my choice has been proven by scientific backup in the topics which haven been pinned up. I am using heavy weights low reps.

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post Apr 25 2007, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(musclemass @ Apr 25 2007, 04:17 PM)
Yes, my choice has been proven by scientific backup in the topics which haven been pinned up. I am using heavy weights low reps.
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Oh, so heavy weights low reps is good proven by scientific backup. But why Darklight keep say that it's myth and it doesn't work for everyone.
What I'm going to say is, If it's scientific proven, It should work for every people.
Thanks for enlighten me up, I'm not flaming to anyone but just asking question. sweat.gif Don't use negative word + flame me if possible doh.gif
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post Apr 25 2007, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Kelvinz @ Apr 25 2007, 04:15 PM)
no, I just want to know you do
1)light weight high rep    OR
2)heavy weight low rep
and I want to know why do you choose cuz just now you just asked me and i can't give you a scientific explanation to my choice so I wanna know izzit your choice got good scientific explnation back up.
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Everyone is different Kelvin. Look at the pros train, look at their videos. Some have a very fast cadence in their reps, some go really slow for maximum contraction. Some go high reps, some go low reps, etc. You may be wondering where the hell am i going with this. Moral of the story, EVERYONE is different. This is why we have so many programs like Max OT (low reps, compound orientated), HST (high reps, high frequency), 5 x 5, HVT, etc, etc.

Then there's periodization, deloading phase, etc. Plus, you cannot grow indefinitely on just one program. No matter how effective the 5 x 5 program is, changes have to be made. Your body adapts. Change makes it grow, but of course i ain't saying you should bunny hop between programs like you change your underwear.

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post Apr 25 2007, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(Kelvinz @ Apr 25 2007, 04:22 PM)
Oh, so heavy weights low reps is good proven by scientific backup. But why Darklight keep say that it's myth and it doesn't work for everyone.
What I'm going to say is, If it's scientific proven, It should work for every people.
Thanks for enlighten me up, I'm not flaming to anyone but just asking question. sweat.gif Don't use negative word + flame me if possible doh.gif
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Could you please pin point which exact post did darklight mention about heavyweights low rep is a myth? THANK YOU.

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QUOTE(Kelvinz @ Apr 25 2007, 04:22 PM)
Oh, so heavy weights low reps is good proven by scientific backup. But why Darklight keep say that it's myth and it doesn't work for everyone.
What I'm going to say is, If it's scientific proven, It should work for every people.
Thanks for enlighten me up, I'm not flaming to anyone but just asking question. sweat.gif Don't use negative word + flame me if possible doh.gif
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You misunderstand me again! I said it is a myth in context of high reps for cutting and low reps for size.
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post Apr 25 2007, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 25 2007, 04:23 PM)
You misunderstand me again! I said it is a myth in context of high reps for cutting and low reps for size.
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Kelvinz, do all of us a favor, please get your facts straight before posting.

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post Apr 25 2007, 04:25 PM

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Well, what about HST training program? its a myth also?

Its specific on reps also rite?

they have high reps with lighter weight day and mainly purpose for cut and conditioning...
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Apr 25 2007, 04:25 PM)
Well, what about HST training program? its a myth also?

Its specific on reps also rite?

they have high reps with lighter weight day and mainly purpose for cut and conditioning...
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It's not a myth, it's proven to work, just that not everybody will respond in the exact same way. For example, if you and I were to embark on HST, it doesn't mean that if I were to gain 10 pounds of muscle, you will gain 10 pounds as well, maybe you will gain a little lesser, maybe a little more. But that doesn't mean that HST does not work right?


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