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Kelvinz
post Apr 24 2007, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Apr 24 2007, 07:55 AM)
But when hungry...what to do?
Stomach making hungry sounds.
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if it's at night, go sleep straight, but remember not starve yourself.

sometimes when I eat the same amount of food, the same exercise, but i feel more hungry, so I just ignore it cuz i know I eat enough for my body nod.gif

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post Apr 25 2007, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(aimleeds @ Apr 25 2007, 07:11 AM)
one question here,

which one is better to lose weight, lift 20 kg with 12 reps or 12 kg with 16 reps?
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Performing lighter weight with more repetitions (15-20 reps, 20-30 reps, or 20-50 reps) does not burn more fat or tone (simultaneous decrease of fat and increase muscle) better than a heaver weight with moderate repetitions (8-12 reps). Weight training utilizes carbohydrates after the initial ATP and CP stores have been exhausted after the first few seconds of intense muscular contraction. Typically a set's duration is 20 to 30 seconds. For the average fit person, it requires 20 to 30 minutes of continuous aerobic activity with large muscle groups (eg. Gluteus Maximus and Quadriceps) to burn even 50% fat; fat requires oxygen to burn. Performing a few extra repetitions on a weight training exercise is not significant enough to burn extra fat and may in effect burn less fat. If intensity is compromised, less fat may be burned when light weight is used with high repetitions. The burning sensation associated with high repetition training seems to be the primary deterrent for achieving higher intensities.

For individuals attempting to achieve fat loss for aesthetics, the intensity of weight training can be a double edge sword. When beginning an exercise program, muscle mass increases may out pace fat losses, resulting in a small initial weight gain. Significant fat loss requires a certain intensity, duration, and frequency that novice exercisers may not be able to achieve until they develop greater tolerance to exercise. If an exercise and nutrition program is not adequate for significant fat loss, a lighter weight with higher repetitions may be recommended to minimize any bulking effects, although less fat may be utilized hours later. If an aerobic exercise and nutrition program is sufficient enough to lose fat, a moderate repetition range with a progressively heavier weight will accelerate fat loss with a toning effect. If a muscle group ever out paces fat loss, the bulking effect is only temporary. For a toning effect, fat can be lost later when aerobic exercise can be significantly increased or the weight training exercise(s) for that particular muscle can be ceased altogether. The muscle will atrophy to a pre-exercise girth within months. Higher repetitions training may be later implemented and assessed.

Higher volume weight training (ie 3 sets versus 1 set of each exercise) with short rest periods of approximately 1 minutes can stimulate a greater acute growth hormone realease (Kraemer 1991, 1993; Mulligan 1996). Growth hormone is lipolytic in adults. It is hypothesized that maximal effort is necessary for optimizing exercise induced secretion of growth hormone. Growth hormone release is related to the magnitude of exertion (Pyka 1992) and is attenuated with greater lactic acidosis (Gordon 1994).

Intense weight training utilizing multiple large muscles with longer rest between sets may also accentuate body lipid deficit by increasing post training epinephrine. Intramuscular triacylgycerol it thought to be an important energy substrate following repeated 30 second maximal exercise with 4 minute recovery intervals (McCartney 1996, Tremblay 1994). Rest periods lasting approximately 4 minutes between maximal exercise exercise of very short duration is required for almost complete creatine phosphate recovery required for repeated maximal bouts (McCartney 1986).

It still may be recommended to perform high repetitions (eg 20-30) for abdominal and oblique training. It has been theorized muscular endurance may be more benifitial for low back health than muscular strength. Furthermore, moderate repetitions with a greater resistance can increase muscular girth under the subcutaneous fat, particularly in men, who have greater potiential for muscular hypertrophy. Increasing the thickness around the waist with existing abdominal fat may further increase bulk, particularly in men who typically have greater intra-abdominal and subcutanuous fat in this area. The abdominal muscularture is composed of relatively small musclemass as compared to the glutes, quadriceps, hamstrings, chest, and upper back. Performing high reps with a lighter resistance should not compromise metabolism or muscle increases as would performing high reps with light resistance on larger muscle groups. See Spot Reduction Myth above.

It is plausible that the high repetition myth was originated and later propagated by bodybuilders that used calorie restrictive diets to shed fat before a contest. Because of their weakened state from dieting, they were unable to use their usual heavier weights. When inquired about their use of lighter weights, they explained they were "cutting up" for a contest. This is merely a theory, but it is easy to see how it may have been misunderstood that the lighter weight was used to reduce fat instead of actually being a result of their dietary regime.

Typically with weight training alone, fat loss is similar to muscle gain, give or take a few pounds. Certain dietary modification can have much greater impact on fat loss than weight training alone. The ideal program for fat loss would include the combination of proper diet, weight training, and cardio exercise.


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Kelvinz
post Apr 25 2007, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(T+1 @ Apr 25 2007, 11:30 AM)
good explanation for the myth  laugh.gif
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can we trust 100% the source? icon_idea.gif
i prefer high weight with moderate reps icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 25 2007, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(musclemass @ Apr 25 2007, 03:43 PM)
You prefer... Any scientific explanation to back it up? This is the whole situation with 90% of the people in the gym... They go around doing things that they FEEL/THINK is appropriate instead of things that are proven to work.
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At least I think with high weight moderate reps didn't harm me. Or else you know anything cons of it?
So what you doing now? I meant low weight high reps or high weight low reps. and do you got any scientific explanation to back it up? so I can follow. rclxms.gif

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post Apr 25 2007, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 25 2007, 04:10 PM)
You prefer, but does it work for you? Some people grow more on high reps and some explode in growth on low reps. It depends on the composition of high or low twitch muscle fibres in an individual or a bodypart. This is something you must experiment by yourself.
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ok, thanks, really appreciate it.

QUOTE(musclemass @ Apr 25 2007, 04:11 PM)
You want scientific proof? Just read all the topics that have been pinned up.
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no, I just want to know you do
1)light weight high rep OR
2)heavy weight low rep
and I want to know why do you choose cuz just now you just asked me and i can't give you a scientific explanation to my choice so I wanna know izzit your choice got good scientific explnation back up.
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post Apr 25 2007, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(musclemass @ Apr 25 2007, 04:17 PM)
Yes, my choice has been proven by scientific backup in the topics which haven been pinned up. I am using heavy weights low reps.
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Oh, so heavy weights low reps is good proven by scientific backup. But why Darklight keep say that it's myth and it doesn't work for everyone.
What I'm going to say is, If it's scientific proven, It should work for every people.
Thanks for enlighten me up, I'm not flaming to anyone but just asking question. sweat.gif Don't use negative word + flame me if possible doh.gif
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post Apr 25 2007, 04:29 PM

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ok, thanks for enlighten me up.
1)high reps for cutting and low reps for size is myth.
2)heavy weights low reps is good proven by scientific backup
3)after sometimes, must change training style to make sure your body have to adapt new enviroment to grow bigger.

Am I right now?
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post Apr 25 2007, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 25 2007, 04:23 PM)
You misunderstand me again! I said it is a myth in context of high reps for cutting and low reps for size.
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but darklight say this. I read already.
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post Apr 25 2007, 04:42 PM

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" I said it is a myth in context of high reps for cutting and low reps for size." is not same with "high reps for cutting and low reps for size is myth"?

sorry my english is weak then..huh..huh..
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post Apr 25 2007, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 25 2007, 09:31 AM)
I'm talking about you saying high reps is for burning fat and low reps for size. It's a myth. It's individual muscle fibre composition theory (high twitch or low twitch make-up).
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I read read read read and read again, but my conclusion is still
1)high reps for cutting and low reps for size is myth.
cuz darklight said. Anything wrong?
I really don't think my english level so low
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post Apr 25 2007, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(King83 @ Apr 25 2007, 04:59 PM)
is the liquor thing also another myth ?
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haiz...dunnu lar, i check so many times already also wrong doh.gif

 

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