New Kia Optima GT is powered by Theta II 2.0 GDI turbo, please do your homework first before comment anything
Kia Optima GT 2017 at rm179k
Kia Optima GT 2017 at rm179k
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Jun 7 2017, 04:27 PM
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New Kia Optima GT is powered by Theta II 2.0 GDI turbo, please do your homework first before comment anything
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Jul 3 2017, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jun 29 2017, 11:29 PM) @throx The spec you given for Cerato 2.0 is wrong, actually this is pre-facelift spec, the facelift cerato 2.0 spec isRegarding your question over Elantra thread, I've mentioned the answers several times. Korean marketing went off track plus offensive strategies from my friend have driven people away from whatever Korean cars that are sold. I believe you have seen yourself, not just Elantra, you don't see Ioniq, Cerato, etc bearing new 2017 plates. At the other hand, the new Tiguan that was launched recently, you should have seen few on the roads driven by real owners alone or ferrying family members around. This tells the dumb failed Korean marketing staff that people still buy cars. The more expensive over rm100k Tiguan, Subaru XV, Forrester still get buyers despite economic slowdown. Wonder who are they kidding when their meeting report said downturn time, people only buy B segment below rm90k ? As per both sides Korean marketing staff, both are now accusing each other of bringing down Korean cars. Since Cerato 2.0L and Elantra 2.0L are priced at rm120k before throwing similar high discount in price war, which will you buy? Elantra 2.0L nu engine tuned for torque Output 152ps@6200rpm Torque 192Nm@4000rpm Cerato 2.0L nu engine tuned for power Output 161ps@6500rpm Torque 194Nm@4800rpm 152ps@6200 rpm 192Nm@4000 rpm which is same as Hyundai Elantra 2.0 The engine code you mentioned for Kia Optima GT in other thread also wrong, it is 2.0 Theta TGDI instead of 2.0 Nu TGDI, FYI Hyundai never develop turbo engine for Nu engine family Please do your homework first before making any flame here, thank you |
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Jul 4 2017, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 3 2017, 11:06 PM) The spec on new Cerato 2.0L in my post was taken from brand new Cerato brochure as attached. So are you saying the specs on brochure of new Cerato is lying or wrong? Extracted from your first postSince when did I mention Korean Nu engine has turbocharged in any of my post? Even in another threads, I didn't mention anything about engine code of any turbocharged engine. Are you too eager and desperate to win? Few pro Korean supporters would have replied on the spot to claim some victory if there is any. Pay attention and read before you reply. Here's a challenge for you. Numbers of pro Korean supporters kept bashing present Camry FL using old engine and gearbox but got debunked when I showed them the Camry 2.0 and 2.5 are fitted with new direct injection 6AR-FSE & 2AR-FSE engine with 6AT & CVT gearbox respectively. Then how come they never said Optima GT using old theta 2.0L engine that has been around since 2005? Some more that theta engine has recall news in America on stalling issue? Is the Optima GT actually older than Veloster turbo which is why it doesn't get DCT gearbox? For example Kia Koup 1.6T has same engine as Veloster 1.6 turbo but fitted with 6AT because it is older. New Elantra 1.6Turbo is newer so it gets DCT right? " New Optima GT launched and priced at rm179k powered by Nu 2.0L turbocharged boosted to 3.5L strength. Reminds me of when Mondeo 2.0T launched at Rm180k and eventually failed. What were they thinking? Most D segments sold are 2.0L at rm140-150k. Probably don't know how to compete head on with Japanese D segment so brought in turbocharged 2.0L hoping to gain some sales competing with Japanese 2.4L and 2.5L D segments. FC result in America, the FC of 2.0T Optima/Sonata are higher than 2.4L NA Optima & Sonata. What do the people here think? Looks like they think themselves as conti car selling at cbu conti price now. Chain reaction, the sales volume also become like conti in the past. Conti today instead playing by the rule going CKD competing with Japanese at Japanese price range. " Please refer to http://www.kia.com/my/showroom/cerato/specification.html Max. Power (ps/rpm) 152/6,200 Max. Torque (kg • m / rpm) 19.6/4,000 |
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Jul 5 2017, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 4 2017, 10:09 PM) As usual, Korean fans took simple error to win. Now you brought this up, I got gift for you. Excuse me, I am not a Korean fans, I am a car engine enthusiastI40 is powered by 2.0 Nu GDI natural aspirated engine. Sonata LF, Tucson, Shortage 2.0L are powered by Nu MPI. If Optima 2.0L non-turbo being brought in, it'll be Nu engine. It's not unusual if I mistakenly typed Nu instead of older theta in Optima GT. The Nu engine is designed to replace the old theta engine in 2011. So why is the Optima GT 2.0T is still using the old Theta engine instead of Nu engine that is supposed to be the successor? Is the Nu engine not better than Theta engine? Theta 2 engine only around for 2 years here and replaced by Nu mpi. Then suddenly there's short-lived i40 Nu 2.0L GDI. Now suddenly Optima GT is using different Theta 2.0 GDi engine. With so many different engine yet with different heads even if same engine name, this creates confusion for technician/mechanic in future as more varieties of parts required since they cannot share parts. Your comment helps me think of this and shared amongst my members with Japanese company. TQ... Walk in customer that come to test drive, the details they get are the specifications on brochures. You think they will suspect the details are fake and go online to check? Only those enthusiast will. I just want to prove that you know nothing about hyundai engine development history even though you did own 2 korean car before. Hyundai develop Nu engine is to replace the Theta NA engine in 1800cc to 2000cc engine range, I highlight again, to replace NA engine. the recently engine recall issue happened in US involved 2.0 GDI and 2.4 GDI Theta II engine manufactured at Alabama, US the caused is the metal debris left at cylinder block during manufacturing process and it will hurt the conrod bearing in the long run I would agree that most of the car salesman in malaysia is lack of technical knowledge especially on engine, this apply on every brand not only Korean brand just some extra info to share about Kia Optima GT The 2.0 Theta TGDI use in Kia Optima GT is the 2nd version of Theta TGDI as compare with 1st version use in 2011(YF) Hyundai Sonata in oversea market, Some improvement over the 1st version :- - Electromechanical VVT (intake side) to replace the hydraulic operate VVT (similar system with Toyota 8AR-FTS turbo engine and Mazda Skyactiv engine) - Improvement on Engine refinement - Improvement on electronic wastegate - Improvement on direct injector - Engine tuning if any thing need to add on that I missed then please correct me and share with us, thank you |
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Jul 6 2017, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 5 2017, 09:32 PM) @legend2014 Optima GT turbocharger is outsourced ??? When did manufacturing of Kia Optima GT outsource to 3rd party ? Mind to share with us what is the company name ?Optima GT turbocharger is outsourced, they don't make on their own. Nu engine can be turbocharged with their preference on tuning. But no, they chose the old engine. Take the i40 for example, only small numbers were sold. It's Nu GDI engine cannot share certain parts with Sonata LF Nu MPI engine. 5 or 10 years later, with so few i40 on the road, you think spare parts will be brought in bulk? Common sense, spare part suppliers and SC quantity surveyor won't stock in many stocks if they'll end up collecting dust most of the time. Now Optima GT at more expensive rm180k, sales volume so poor, you think the only theta GDI will get more spare parts than i40? Pointing out weakness and serious flaws is not flaming. Do you know what flaming means in the first place? Some present Korean models sales volume are as poor as the old Kia Clarus 1999, Rio 2001, Sonata 1998 after they exceeded 5 years old?. Have you checked these cars maintenance issue and serious no spare parts issues before you spread lies to public on no worry on spare parts? If what you mean is the turbo turbine then I can answer yes, FYI, most of the car manufacturing in the world do not make their own turbo turbine, BMW, VG, Audi, MB, Honda, Toyota do not make turbo turbine. I advise you to do some homework on Hyundai engine before giving any nonsense comment, please check the objective of development of nu engine and Theta engine respectively. A lot of enhancement(not only engine tuning) has been done on Theta engine use in Kia Optima GT as compare with the 1st version of Theta use in 2010, At least I would say Hyundai is honest, they did not play around with engine code name even though they can change it to new code name, technically it can qualify as a new engine. Take the current Honda engine 2.4 EarthDream as example, Initially I though it is a new engine when it launched 3 years ago, but I found out it just a gimmick, this engine is almost the same as K24 engine which was developed at 2002, Honda just did some enhancement on existing K24 engine and market it as EarthDream engine, what's wrong with Hyundai did the same thing and keep using the old code name, what say you ? It is not an issue if you share with us the serious flaws, but the problem is you are keeping to tell us the flaw with some point is not make sense and obviously you are bias and not from the neutral point of view. I still remember you are the one who put a lot of flame in Autoworld/Nissan forum in many years ago, at that time you commented Nissan car is not worth a single sen, this round is Korean car, so what is next ? Honda ? Toyota ? and Last I would like to update you, Most parts in Nu GDI is identical with Nu MPI engine |
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Jul 7 2017, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 6 2017, 10:25 PM) Any car company that fails to provide safe long term ownership deserved to receive criticism. Totally wrong product planning, failed strategies that cause owners to lose resale value badly are most serious offense. Worst is they rejected best people for the job that led to current disasters. Based on the Koreans current course, most likely the few seriously failed models could end up like the few cars in photos below after 7 or 10 years where owners suffer from zero resale value and left with no spare parts. Did I say Nu MPI and Nu GDI is 100% identical ??? What I trying to say is most of the parts is identical, don't try to tell me both type of engine use different engine oil filter and air filter...Audi-VW 1989cc engine block from old Audi 100 2.0E 1994 is identical to 2007 Audi A4 2.0FSI engine. Can they share spare parts? No, almost nothing can be shared despite similar engine code with different heads. Nu GDi is made for more powerful combustion with totally different head. You want to say the same? Theta i4, theta II single VVT and theta II dual VVT already have parts that are totally different. Now theta II GDI in Optima GT? Koreans mentality veered off from practical to money oriented thinking owners will change cars like how they change phones. That's why they fail. Had they hired ace strategist like my few friends, they would have ensure the Koreans don't go off track unlike the idiots they hired that personally won't buy Korean cars nor knowing what they're doing. Based on the parts number I got from stockist, the short block, throttle body, VVT mechanism, oil pump, water pump, MAF, O2, EGR valve, PCV and many other parts is all identical, the diff parts is fuel injector, fuel pump, cylinder head, spark plug and of course the ECU. Top Car manufacturer in 2016 (Based on the total number of cars sold in the world) 2.Toyota 3. Renault/Nissan 4. Hyundai/Kia 7. Honda 10. Suzuki The ranking is telling the truth I 100% agree that Malaysia authorized Korean car distributor need to improve their marketing strategy and after sales service, they still left behind from the Japanese brand competitors, nevertheless we able to see the improvement over these few years but this is not enough to change the old school perception from the public. |
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