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post May 24 2020, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ May 23 2020, 11:29 AM)
yes. i do buy some FBMKLCI-H8Z warrant to hedge the risk.

Market is kinda wild these days
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Is buying put warrant for stocks a better option as it protects the size of the particular stock? but again, we don't have much choices here. Maybank had just released a few, cimb, spsetia, genm and.. I've forgotten.

Since stocks don't move in tandem with klci, buying h8z isn't propotionally to what you are holding might render it useless? Hmmm.. like last Monday, almost every other stock was in red except klci.

Does my thoughts make any sense?
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QUOTE(hehe86 @ May 22 2020, 01:02 AM)
Eh my bad. you're right. Shares increase, EPS lowered. EPS lower PE increase.

What's the usual reason they convert these PA shares? To manipulate these ratios?
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No. Having PA and company warrants in circulation will make the share price look cheap because only ordinary shares is taken into account when calculating these ratios. But PA and company warrants are being issued to raise funds, not to purposely make the share price look cheap. The holders of PA share convert to ordinary shares because it is in the money or increase their voting rights.
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post May 28 2020, 03:05 PM

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Is it a good sign if company actively do share buy back ?

Let say the company is actively doing share buy back when the price range at RM1.95-2.00.

Would it be correct if we assume that the company values their stock around that price range ?

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post May 28 2020, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(juanco @ May 28 2020, 03:05 PM)
Is it a good sign if company actively do share buy back ?

Let say the company is actively doing share buy back when the price range at  RM1.95-2.00.

Would it be correct if we assume that the company values their stock around that price range ?
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In theory, share buybacks are good but then... stock market is full of sharks... as it is a known fact that these sharks abuse buybacks for their own benefits. Hence, it is a risky guide/indicator.

Same as trying to use epf purchases/disposals as an indicator.

Best you develop your own person setups.
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post May 28 2020, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 28 2020, 03:24 PM)
In theory, share buybacks are good but then... stock market is full of sharks... as it is a known fact that these sharks abuse buybacks for their own benefits. Hence, it is a risky guide/indicator.

Same as trying to use epf purchases/disposals as an indicator.

Best you develop your own person setups.
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hmm.gif doh.gif a stock came out of my mind, idk if it's applicable.. CYPARK
Big Boss sell shares, but company do Buybakcs. doh.gif
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post May 29 2020, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 28 2020, 04:24 PM)
In theory, share buybacks are good but then... stock market is full of sharks... as it is a known fact that these sharks abuse buybacks for their own benefits. Hence, it is a risky guide/indicator.

Same as trying to use epf purchases/disposals as an indicator.

Best you develop your own person setups.
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Meaning insider of the company might use it for their own benefit ? Pump up the price temporarily via share buyback and sell their own portion when price hit their target ?

I noticed this one company...very active in share buyback this year..
10mil buyback in 2020 vs only 700k buyback for the past 10 year.
sudden spike this year to ensure share price don't drop too much I think

QUOTE(woonsc @ May 28 2020, 08:18 PM)
hmm.gif  doh.gif a stock came out of my mind, idk if it's applicable.. CYPARK
Big Boss sell shares, but company do Buybakcs.  doh.gif
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I guess they do share buy back quite often then
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post May 30 2020, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(juanco @ May 29 2020, 12:20 AM)
Meaning insider of the company might use it for their own benefit ? Pump up the price temporarily via share buyback and sell their own portion when price hit their target ?

I noticed this one company...very active in share buyback this year..
10mil buyback in 2020 vs only 700k buyback for the past 10 year.
sudden spike this year to ensure share price don't drop too much I think
I guess they do share buy back quite often then
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If sudden increase in share buy back volume, I think there is also possibility of privatization in near future.
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post Jun 1 2020, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 19 2020, 09:56 AM)
.... my preference is trade fewer (preferly one or two stock) and trade it on a longer time frame....

Time ... actually helps a whole lot ... if one buys correctly (there's the saying... buying correctly solves most of the other problems... such as when to sell ..) so if I had decided to to be in an early phase of a trade ... then .... I would do nothing but sit on the trade. Sitting and doing nothing when your position is correct is how one builds to be successful...



... when euphoria strikes.... a stock can usually trade at much crazy valuation than we expect....

Quote : It never was my thinking that made the big money for me. It always was my sitting. Got that? My sitting tight! It is no trick at all to be right on the market. You always find lots of early bulls in bull markets and early bears in bear markets. I've known many men who were right at exactly the right time, and began buying or selling stocks when prices were at the very level which should show the greatest profit. And their experience invariably matched mine--that is, they made no real money out of it. Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon.

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In the end, time in the market is what counts. Legendary investor Charlie Munger from Berkshire Hathaway sums it up best, “the big money isn't in the buying and selling… It's in the waiting.”

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post Jun 1 2020, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 1 2020, 10:01 AM)
Quote :  It never was my thinking that made the big money for me. It always was my sitting. Got that? My sitting tight! It is no trick at all to be right on the market. You always find lots of early bulls in bull markets and early bears in bear markets. I've known many men who were right at exactly the right time, and began buying or selling stocks when prices were at the very level which should show the greatest profit. And their experience invariably matched mine--that is, they made no real money out of it. Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon.

From Reminincse of A Stock Operator... 

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In the end, time in the market is what counts. Legendary investor Charlie Munger from Berkshire Hathaway sums it up best, “the big money isn't in the buying and selling… It's in the waiting.”

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Normally i would agree with this. Have been mostly net buying and holding since 2012.

But this round im selling out many long position. Market is too greedy now.

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jun 1 2020, 12:06 PM)
Normally i would agree with this. Have been mostly net buying and holding since 2012.

But this round im selling out many long position. Market is too greedy now.
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Your position is understandable. Based on your valuation of the stocks, you feel that the valuation is way too rich and you fear the reversal of the stock.

However, you do know that I am a trader, right? smile.gif

For me, I am well aware (and have been so) that we are in a rebound euphoria... and like I said b4, when euphoria hits, stocks can trade at crazy, crazy valuation.
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and like I said b4, when euphoria hits, stocks can trade at crazy, crazy valuation.
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Yr199x craziness??
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post Jun 1 2020, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(sjteh @ Jun 1 2020, 02:45 PM)
and like I said b4, when euphoria hits, stocks can trade at crazy, crazy valuation.
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Yr199x craziness??
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Total Index is still very far from 1990s crazy valuations. But certain stocks are very overvalued given real economic data.

Unfortunately if they do crash, there might be collateral damage. This is more like dot com style (certain sector crash the whole market confidence)

But if you are trader, this kind of up down gap in short period really does make you good money given your capital is large enough and you know what you are doing.

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post Jun 1 2020, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 1 2020, 10:01 AM)
Quote :  It never was my thinking that made the big money for me. It always was my sitting. Got that? My sitting tight! It is no trick at all to be right on the market. You always find lots of early bulls in bull markets and early bears in bear markets. I've known many men who were right at exactly the right time, and began buying or selling stocks when prices were at the very level which should show the greatest profit. And their experience invariably matched mine--that is, they made no real money out of it. Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon.

From Reminincse of A Stock Operator... 

Quote:
In the end, time in the market is what counts. Legendary investor Charlie Munger from Berkshire Hathaway sums it up best, “the big money isn't in the buying and selling… It's in the waiting.”

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I'm still waiting for buying opportunity tongue.gif

Btw retailer has gone wild for the past few weeks and this is something u all have to be cautious of.
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post Jun 1 2020, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 1 2020, 03:36 PM)
I'm still waiting for buying opportunity tongue.gif

Btw retailer has gone wild for the past few weeks and this is something u all have to be cautious of.
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LOL!! Not yet buy?

Yes, yes of course the retailers have gone wild. But if you bought early... wait la...

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post Jun 1 2020, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 1 2020, 03:43 PM)
LOL!! Not yet buy?

Yes, yes of course the retailers have gone wild. But if you bought early... wait la...

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Been cash out almost 70% since beginning last month, market has been in euphoria mode since there is no 4D and genting casino still close.
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Guys what's the website that has filter which sector is the top gainer?
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 1 2020, 03:45 PM)
Been cash out almost 70% since beginning last month, market has been in euphoria mode since there is no 4D and genting casino still close.
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That is a fact.

In fact, it's the millennials market... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Jun 1 2020, 03:53 PM)
Guys what's the website that has filter which sector is the top gainer?
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You can see from your stock market trading platform....
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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Jun 1 2020, 03:53 PM)
Guys what's the website that has filter which sector is the top gainer?
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jun 1 2020, 02:49 PM)
Total Index is still very far from 1990s crazy valuations. But certain stocks are very overvalued given real economic data.

Unfortunately if they do crash, there might be collateral damage. This is more like dot com style (certain sector crash the whole market confidence)

But if you are trader, this kind of up down gap in short period really does make you good money given your capital is large enough and you know what you are doing.
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well... well ....

finally a good time to take profit .... signs are finally there.....

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Done and dusted for the year.... a very good year!


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