Yes, Bezza get slightly more score from the crash test. But in real accident you can't expect collision is exactly the same as lab tested even lab is trying to simulate most collision from real world.

The Persona's HPF is no joke tbh, even the Mitsubishi Triton do not have any parts that can withstand 1500Mpa like the one adopted by Persona, well, I'm not saying head on Persona Vs Triton and Triton will lose, just to tell that the HPF adopted in Persona made the chasis very solid that not much competitor get to beat.

Especially involved in an accident that is serious than the lab tested situation, Persona should have high chance of survival compared to Bezza.

Mine idling at 1000 too

https://www.edmunds.com/car-safety/are-smal...large-cars.html

Well, I guess this made sense, it's only comparable to same segment.

In any case, it doesn't look nice on Saga VVT to be defeated by Bezza.

Meanwhile, Persona yet tested, but if take Iriz scores, still lose to Jazz in adult occupant, but gain back in child occupant.

http://www.aseancap.org/honda-jazz/
http://www.aseancap.org/proton-iriz/

Saga VVT is a let down tbh, after all those hoohaa about safety 360 persona, then suddenly there comes another Saga with just 4 stars and not even ESC & ABS on all variant.. I know they put in a lot effort to make the old chassis better, but it just wasn't enough..

For the Iriz vs Jazz score, they are both still categorized as 5 stars anyway which is quite good, same goes for Bezza.

Persona should actually be tested again due to the car have different rear design and its also more heavier than Iriz, but I doubt the score will be any better due to their knee space is kind of tight like Iriz as you can see the minus mostly from the driver side knee area.

I can sump up that the HPF is something that went beyond the crash test capability, its like in a situation of you may easily get minced in to burger patty while if you're in those Iriz or Persona this may reduce the risk of being minced(not to say totally unharm) due to its solid HPF part that keep the chassis in shape.

Asean NCAP had only one front crash test, hopefully they will add in side and back crash test ASAP.
Vios and city price aare higher, margin are higher, they can use more aluminium part to reduce weight.

That's why la, I don't fukkin understand why they'd still carry on with new Saga. It doesn't take a businessman to understand some basic business sense.

Had they just made Persona only, they can reach volume faster, lower cost way more. Now things are more complex, more models means more suppliers, split sales volume means higher cost per unit, etc.

Making Saga VVT was just beating dead horse, and next to newer Bezza, it shows how wasteful it is, cannot deliver results.

The only way to make sense of this is some crony vendors need to cari makan. Or proton just dumbfuk cuz like to listen to Azlano, their mediocre designers that like to syok sendiri, when in truth nobody cares about design. Case in point : bezza may be laughed at for tonggek, but sales much higher, and owners usually happy to share fantastic fc, roomy boot can fit in lotsa stuff to travel here and there.

I open iriz fb from time to time, always got owner share average fc, and complaint feel kuat minyak, then told it's normal.

I don't think city and vios use aluminium body, only engine block. They don't even use ultra high tensile steel.

The irony proton own Lotus for decades, know lightness, yet never learn how to be light themselves. Worse, always end up the heaviest in their class.

If compare Bezza to Saga VVT, Perodua can offer OEM accessories for all variant from day one. Proton not even bother about it and Persona only offering skirting on top of premium persona. This show Perodua marketing better in offering whats people want.

Price factor, e.g. motorcycle...it's only rational that business is to cover as much market as possible

All about the cost, aluminium part like engine block is more expensive than steel. Proton can use lotus team to design a light weight car but it will not be price below 100k.
Ya, saga is big let down, I had waiting Saga to come out before purchase persona. Saga still using old generation platform, the safety is not as good as others proton, and no esc for whole range is big mistake.

They could make persona 1.3 instead of a whole different car. But nope.

If there's concern about underpowered, it's the same for bezza 1.0. Even if it's lightweight, 1.0 is just too small for that car, yet they can cater to some market after all.
Simple, they could buy powertrain from Perodua. But nope.

Saga had cramped interior than bezza too, it's just hard to get comfy, front or back. Smaller boot than bezza. Granted it's pretty quiet, but for reasons above, I'd rather proton just focus resources in 1 model with 1.3 and 1.6 instead of 2 cars like now for their own goodness.

Axia engine blocks are made with aluminium part (re: Wikipedia).

Wonder why they gave you 10w-40 Semi. Which SC you went to?

Can't answer you about the car performance after the 1st service because it only traveled short distance.

It would be nice to rank the SC as suggested by one of our fellow forumer.

This post has been edited by oldgoat: Mar 8 2017, 07:47 PM

Did you guys take the left engine oil from SC after service the car? or persona engine will used up the whole bottle of engine oil for each time service ?

I recall the engine oil from the bigger SC come in drums and the oil is pumped directly into the engine. This way there's no wastage especially for the free services. I'm not sure which SC.

take back got a little bit leftover.

Serviced at Alpha Auto@Bukit Serdang, took around 1Hour.

Mine idle at 700-800RPM when gear D and pressed on break.... but if gear in N than its 900-1000.

I see.. so It's normal after all... but still somewhat a bit high RPM compared to most new cars

In some Persona FB Group I see someone reporting their 20k mileage Persona able to push 600km for MT where low fuel indicator start flashing.. anyone manage to stretch that far before?

Proton top management always went wrong direction...