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post Dec 8 2017, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(i1899 @ Dec 8 2017, 12:50 PM)
Content in Annual/ Semi Annual Report is updated Every Year/ 6 months. By the time the report is published, at least 2 month had been passed.

That's y, a monthly updated factsheet is more useful to understand the holding, to forecast the up/down of NAV when doing purchase/ withdrawal.

However, Inter-pac seems only update their factsheet every 3 months, not monthly. Moreover, they only list the top 3 holdings without stating the % of the holding.
To who looking at index to guess the NAV of today. Actually, a better way is insert the top 10/ top 5 holding to watchlist of Bloomberg and cal the "weighted average" using excel,

Like this : - Ponzi 2.
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Try read page 33 in the report.....

But i think 3 months factsheet is good enough, many funds there also have quarterly factsheet update.
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post Dec 8 2017, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(funnyface @ Dec 8 2017, 01:14 PM)
Try read page 33 in the report.....

But i think 3 months factsheet is good enough, many funds there also have quarterly factsheet update.
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Thanks for ur time to point this info.

Actually, i like to read annual report (to find ideas for enlarging my bursa investment), and i have read it once FSM published it

But, as i already wrote in my previous post, it is data as at 30 September. 2 months have passed, market has changed.

From my experience with IDS, they actively change their holding. And, it is holding 17 stocks only, very high concentrated risk fund, therefore, a minor change in % can result a significant changes in NAV.

Anyway, i have sold IDS completely in October with avg 11% ROI.

Don't want to see it anymore. bye.gif

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post Dec 8 2017, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(i1899 @ Dec 8 2017, 02:10 PM)
Thanks for ur time to point this info.

Actually, i like to read annual report (to find ideas for enlarging my bursa investment), and i have read it once FSM published it

But, as i already wrote in my previous post, it is data as at 30 September. 2 months have passed, market has changed.

From my experience with IDS, they actively change their holding. And, it is holding 17 stocks only, very high concentrated risk fund, therefore, a minor change in % can result a significant changes in NAV.

Anyway, i have sold IDS completely in October with avg 11% ROI.

Don't want to see it anymore. bye.gif
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I dont play stocks, so i dont need monthly up to date holding funds list tongue.gif
Not sure Interpac can continue their wonder next year or not... hmm.gif
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post Dec 8 2017, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(i1899 @ Dec 8 2017, 02:10 PM)
Thanks for ur time to point this info.

Actually, i like to read annual report (to find ideas for enlarging my bursa investment), and i have read it once FSM published it

But, as i already wrote in my previous post, it is data as at 30 September. 2 months have passed, market has changed.

From my experience with IDS, they actively change their holding. And, it is holding 17 stocks only, very high concentrated risk fund, therefore, a minor change in % can result a significant changes in NAV.

Anyway, i have sold IDS completely in October with avg 11% ROI.

Don't want to see it anymore. bye.gif
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Not every UT funds are similar in nature... with 17 stocks, average holdings is 5.88% per equity. It is indeed highly concentrated when compare to another UT fund with more than 80 equities in the range of 0.2% to 2% in each equity.

As mentioned in a previous post, it's master propectus has KLCI as its benchmark... which I think is not true, as things don't add up when its YTD gains is in the region of 40%. Whatever reports or fact sheets there are, they are no help in providing any guidance... best to ignore them, and rely on your own investment/trading instinct.

There's no free lunch... extraordinary rewards comes with extradordinary risk.

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"to find ideas for enlarging my bursa investment"

Maybe look into the components of KL Tech Index...
https://www.investing.com/indices/kl-technology

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Have added more iron into the fire this week... the 3rd switch in less than a month!
Let's go chase performance... rclxms.gif


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post Dec 8 2017, 09:26 PM

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post Dec 9 2017, 06:20 AM

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asia pac market rebound. but how long will it last, that's the main point.


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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Dec 9 2017, 06:20 AM)
asia pac market rebound. but how long will it last, that's the main point.
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The markets go up and down...
In the long run...

The main points are whether you have the investment acumen to stay put, and in a long down trend, the purchasing power to invest more.

In both cases, you will be a winner (with positive ROI), in the later, bigger winnings with higher IRR.

Edit: spelling corrected on "trend".



This post has been edited by j.passing.by: Dec 9 2017, 10:14 AM
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post Dec 9 2017, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Dec 9 2017, 09:26 AM)
The markets go up and down...
In the long run...

The main points are whether you have the investment acumen to stay put, and in a long down thread, the purchasing power to invest more.

In both cases, you will be a winner (with positive ROI), in the later, bigger winnings with higher IRR.
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I'm agree with this... If your investment is aiming for long term.......
Market slow just purchase more to lower the average price if the market bounced back your irr be more higher but promise with the bullet spares on...

This post has been edited by kenny79: Dec 9 2017, 09:44 AM
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post Dec 9 2017, 10:51 AM

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waiting for some poster to ask why cimb dynamic Asia ex Japan drop so much this coming week
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QUOTE(kenny79 @ Dec 9 2017, 09:43 AM)
I'm agree with this... If your investment is aiming for long term.......
Market slow just purchase more to lower the average price if the market bounced back your irr be more higher but promise  with the bullet spares on...
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There's a bit of crosstalk in this UT thread because there are all sorts of investors talking here, looking at the same thing with different perspectives. Some come from fixed price ASB-type fund background, and not used to seeing the daily price changes, as they don't have any nav price to see and only see the annual dividend.

The good thing about UT funds is that you can built a portfolio to your liking. It can be conservative with stable returns annually, or can be volatile with lower annual returns in one year and higher returns the next year.

The problems begin when investors want fast and high returns, and were not expecting the volatility. In other words, they had taken on funds in a fast growing market, and only realise they don't have the stomach for volatility when caught in a downturn.

If you want fast and furious, then be fast and furious when the market rebounds... how long the market will stays up does not matter.

This post has been edited by j.passing.by: Dec 9 2017, 11:32 AM
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post Dec 9 2017, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Dec 9 2017, 11:10 AM)
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There's a bit of crosstalk in this UT thread because there are all sorts of investors talking here, looking at the same thing with different perspectives. Some come from fixed price ASB-type fund background, and not used to seeing the daily price changes, as they don't have any nav price to see and only see the annual dividend.

The good thing about UT funds is that you can built a portfolio to your liking. It can be conservative with stable returns annually, or can be volatile with lower annual returns in one year and higher returns the next year.

The problems begin when investors want fast and high returns, and were not expecting the volatility. In other words, they had taken on funds in a fast growing market, and only realise they don't have the stomach for volatility when caught in a downturn.

If you want fast and furious, then be fast and furious when the market rebounds... how long the market will stays up does not matter.
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Not sure how many can see, but to me, UTF is a very controllable investment tool. It is up to one to tailor it to one's liking and not many investment tool can replicate this effect.

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post Dec 9 2017, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 9 2017, 11:44 AM)
Not sure how many can see, but to me, UTF is a very controllable investment tool. It is up to one to tailor it to one's liking and not many investment tool can replicate this effect.

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Xuzen planning to add Japan into your portfolio? how does Affin hwang Japan growth correlate with your other fund?
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 9 2017, 10:51 AM)
waiting for some poster to ask why cimb dynamic Asia ex Japan drop so much this coming week
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So, why cimb dynamic Asia ex Japan drop so much this coming week?
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post Dec 9 2017, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Dec 9 2017, 11:10 AM)
smile.gif

There's a bit of crosstalk in this UT thread because there are all sorts of investors talking here, looking at the same thing with different perspectives. Some come from fixed price ASB-type fund background, and not used to seeing the daily price changes, as they don't have any nav price to see and only see the annual dividend.

The good thing about UT funds is that you can built a portfolio to your liking. It can be conservative with stable returns annually, or can be volatile with lower annual returns in one year and higher returns the next year.

The problems begin when investors want fast and high returns, and were not expecting the volatility. In other words, they had taken on funds in a fast growing market, and only realise they don't have the stomach for volatility when caught in a downturn.

If you want fast and furious, then be fast and furious when the market rebounds... how long the market will stays up does not matter.
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The shortest ut I'm hold is 2 year so I'm assuming as a long term investment plus have spare some other bullet of the market drop kaw kaw will top up off topic I take this ut as a passive income
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post Dec 10 2017, 06:57 PM

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Hang Seng performed well on Fri, so I expect some rebound on Dinasti and APAC ex-Japan
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post Dec 10 2017, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Dec 9 2017, 12:25 PM)
So, why cimb dynamic Asia ex Japan drop so much this coming week?
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Poor performance from China market
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post Dec 10 2017, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Dec 10 2017, 09:04 PM)
Poor performance from China market
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haish it's distribution!! where your statement come from when the comment above you state the China market went up.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 10 2017, 09:33 PM)
haish it's distribution!! where your statement come from when the comment above you state the China market went up.
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In overall it has been down for the past month/week if u look at the market indexes.
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post Dec 10 2017, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 10 2017, 09:33 PM)
haish it's distribution!! where your statement come from when the comment above you state the China market went up.
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Are we talking about the same fund:
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund (MYR) ?
As far as I know, last distribution was recently in Nov, and reflected in FSM on 01Dec already. Where do you see the info on distribution?
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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Dec 10 2017, 11:01 PM)
Are we talking about the same fund:
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund (MYR) ?
As far as I know, last distribution was recently in Nov, and reflected in FSM on 01Dec already. Where do you see the info on distribution?
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