yup!I will bear your advice in mind! All the best senior!

All the best to you too, hoped you enjoy Russia.

k for netter's, it's good to have the e-version as well

it's one of the best medical ebooks i've seen so far, a real interactive programme

the recommended anat books csrulez already mentioned
biochem and physio as well

This post has been edited by chika138: Apr 16 2009, 10:31 AM

Some linkies to the ebook

Netter's Internal Medicine

Atlas of Human Anatomy

Dental Books + Anatomy etc.

I will have to agree that the other subjects are rather easy. As I said earlier, those doing med will expect a close to perfect score for maths/science to compensate for their English score.

It is EASY to get an average in the low 90s as you've heard. There will only be a handful with top scores but many between the 80s and low 90s. (ie. thats why you only need 84 to get into commerce).

My interpretation is that Melbourne Uni wants the $$$. English does NOT need to be included in courses like science, commerce, arts etc. Of course, making the min score to get into these are dead easy.

But, you do need English for dentistry and med. I still do not think getting into Melb Uni med through Trinity is easy. Personally, I had to really put in a lot of extra effort to get a decent mark in literature and drama.


Also, regarding your P.S. I don't mean to insult you or your uni. I hope you understand that when I see some people (from Trinity) getting into other unis with scores like 80/90%, I get quite pissed because it is just TOO EASY. Like you said, your friends could play the whole year and still get something from 88-93%.
Of course, I admit I was overgeneralising in the past as not all students are in that situation. I do understand that some people do not have the opportunity (ie you), but I do think your uni should not admit people with scores like 85%. I hope this clears up any misunderstandings between us.

This post has been edited by zltan: Apr 16 2009, 12:07 PM

all commercialised unis wants you money......oz included.....and especially melb u, with the extra high fees they charge........

the difference is how low they will go to admit full fees students.....

melb u was one of the most difficult to get into critical courses (medicine and dentistry)......although it's lower than their standard entry pathway.....

many ipta in msia will accept quite low grades.......

many unis selling education in 3rd world countries will accept very low grades......

Having said that, getting into developed countries uni for critical course like Medicine still need very high grade for the very simple reason they have so many over-qualified international student than places available. I am saying that just in case there are people who would look down on them for just being full fee paying students.

of course.......the reason is, many of these international students will stay back, and treat the local people.......so they have to ensure quality........

nobody stays back to work in india, indonesia or russia........so they know whatever rubbish they may produce is NOT their problem.......

Just curious, how much is 96% in Trinity if converted to TER?

BTW, most IPTS in Malaysia have high filter rates, eg IMU and MMMC. In IMU, only 60 plus students per batch will proceed to clinical phase in Seremban, while in MMMC, only 83% passing rate for the previous batch for final MBBS exam (where as in IPTAs always have >90%). Although this is not a good method of medical education, at least incompetent ones are being held back from endangering the public.

any graduate or certified doctor's here???

imu's filter is strict for pms students......not sure how tight they are for the local stream........their capacity for seremban was 50 anyway, and now increased, but don't know how many......it appears not popular, as the fees are high......many more applicants for pms than local.......

can anyone explain what is ASPIRATION PNEUMONIA??

If not mistaken, there are about 100 plus seats for local MBBS programme in IMU per intake. Therefore, 50 is like 50% passing rate, which is tight IMO.

I have no idea how to calculate that, but I'm going to use this ENTER calculator I found on the net. Of course, this may be totally wrong as Trinity can't be equated with VCE.

So, let us make up some scores for 'Jack'.

English : 93% (equivalent to ESL)
Chemisty : 97%
Physics: 96%
Maths 1: 98% (equivalent to maths methods)
English for academic purposes: 90% (equivalent to English Language)
History of Ideas: 90% (no idea what this is equivalent to, but I'm going to put down philosophy)





Also, Trinity requires you to take English+EAP+HOI+3 electives.
It seems in VCE, you get credit for extra subjects. I'm going to take out EAP since it doesn't really count to your best four(its just a threshold requirement - something like IELTS)





However, some Trinity students add another elective.
Lets give Jack another elective

+ Maths 2: 96% (NB: this would increase his best 4 average to 97%)



I'm actually guessing this is way off....

Anyway, just because I think Trinity is easier, I'm going to minus 5% all subjects except English and HOI.

English : 93%
Chemisty : 92%
Physics: 91%
Maths 1: 93%
History of Ideas: 90%
Maths 2: 91%




Lets minus another 5%

English : 93%
Chemisty : 87%
Physics: 86%
Maths 1: 88%
History of Ideas: 90%
Maths 2: 86%



By the way: the calculator is http://entercalc.syte.cc/


Method 2:
Comparing entry scores for uni.
Melbourne Uni Med (for 2008)
ENTER/TER : 96 (those above 98 get in?)
Trinity: Minimum 94%, guaranteed 98% (usually those above 96% gets in)

So, 96%(assuming English+3 subjects) would be about TER 98?

This post has been edited by zltan: Apr 16 2009, 03:31 PM

You mean they failed 50% of the student primarily because there are only 50 places?

quite true. they take in more than the available places. more or less 80 or so will be seremban, bulk of the batch is pms. but it seems they have to bring the number down during eos exams, some batches claim about 20% will leave the batch by end of sem 5.

omg what am i doing? i got to study

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Added on April 16, 2009, 3:46 pmi've got question to add, its quite vague and depending on what year (content covered) but just give an average range.

but what is your average studying time on normal days and the month before exam ? list down your grade if you want to.

myself is average days : (depending on lecture covered), can be 0 heheh, or up to 3 hours. prior exam, now quite hectic i'm pushing about 5 hours some days, and like yesterday i burn out sleepy and sick i got barely even 30 mins done.

This post has been edited by Cristiano-Ronaldo-7: Apr 16 2009, 03:46 PM

Aspiration Pneumonia is the infection of lungs caused by aspiration of some substances into the lungs. Bacterias found on the aspirated material will then causes infection will bring about inflammation or lung abcesses of the lungs. Aspiration means instead of going into the esophagus, it goes thru the air passages then into the lungs. It can be due to gastric refluxes, foreign body aspiration etc. A hundred of causes. You could find it out by googling the term "Aspiration Pneumonia".

Alright, thanks for sharing. The system is surprisingly complicated

Yup, IPTSs in Malaysia have reputation of taking large number of students and filter them along the way. My batch had 150 students in first year, but 60+ of them were filtered out by the time we entered clinical phase. Therefore out of the current 139 in my batch, only 80+ are of original batch. Passing rate for final MBBS in my school is always somewhere between 80-85%, as compared to IPTA's 90-95%.

Surprisingly, LAN has very strict criteria for IPTSs, especially those foreign owned ones. If graduates from certain IPTS are not up to par, that particular IPTS risk losing its recognition.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Apr 16 2009, 05:21 PM

This is interesting. Do you know whether universities from UK/OZ has such high drop out rate? Or is it the norm for all medical school?

And what do you think is the reason for such high drop out rate for IPTS? Is it because these universities deliberately take in more at the start of the course to make money or do they have more noble intention of upholding standards?

Sorry, i dun know anything about the drop out rate for UK/OZ. Perhaps you can ask zltan since he's studying in melb U.

Well, money is definitely one of the factor. However in order to maintain a good reputation, IPTSs have to make sure their graduates are up to standard. Pls bare in mind that in business, reputation equals to money.

Also, the high failure rate might also be due to the less stringent entry requirement.