that i went out before 6 if i wasn't wrong... lots of hours on the road and many minutes sitting at petrol station totally wasted and just drinking and pouring water on myself...

generally i try to get out of the house by 5.30am for anything 100km... the longer the earlier..on a climb heavy day of about 100km distance.. should be back by 11 or so...

that place has lots of mist early in the morning.. have to be careful

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 11 2012, 11:46 PM

wooo... RM01 with Ultegra Di2

http://www.bmc-racing.com/int-en/bikes/201...ltegra_di2.html



still... im in loved with this 2008 Astana version T_T

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Added on January 12, 2012, 2:39 pmT_T if only i can afford...

Still on sale with $1000 slashed

http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCY?S...ubmit2=Continue

This post has been edited by hianboy: Jan 12 2012, 02:39 PM

credit card...installment 6/12/24/36/48/60 months...

bought new bike or upgrade part by part , which one more cost effective ?

Today went into KSH Sri Petaling, got quoted a road bike which is using Shimano 105 except crank for RM4.1k not sure which is that..

p/s: http://www.merida-bikes.com/en_int/bike/20...ce+Lite+904-com
Looks like this is it..

This post has been edited by Sky.Live: Jan 13 2012, 09:15 PM

if you can control yourself... spend more and get it right the first time...

if you can't...

, you will... either way...

or.. the ultimate one.. get a new bike and upgrade it before it gets out of the shop.. double whammy

OK, serious..

upgrade path
BBS becomes your best friend.. you have to sell leftover parts.. not necessarily cheaper...

new bike, get it right
never possible.. but worth a try.. and will work especially if you can resist from buying more upgrades

think it is slightly below 4k if you press for it.

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 13 2012, 11:43 PM

I suggest get Polygon for that price.Or Giant TCR.Coz without crank, what do they expect for us to add another RM 1k for crank and BB?

I think what "without crank" means is all parts are 105 except the crank...

Oh I see.Maybe FSA Gossamer

actually the brakes and crank are are a non-series shimano crankset.. they did it instead of a full 105 to keep price down...

they did provide a set of fulcrum racing 7's though... albeit being relabeled for OEM use..

so "Fulcrum Racing Comp" is actually oem fulcrum 7...hmm.

just wonder any idea on Xero X1 e.g weight/price?

tq

p/s: what is the difference between non-series components and those with "proper" name? weight/price/quality?



This post has been edited by ryan3721: Jan 14 2012, 02:57 PM

yes, comp is 7 if i look at the design. I remember not seeing different a pair of counter weight spokes opposite of the valve hole that is on the FR5 for dynamic balancing.

so, it should an FR7

Don't remember an X1 model from Xero. But if you are referred to OEM ones made for giant bikes. I think it is the xero lite models..weighs around 1600-1700grams...the hubs are made by formula but this wheels despite what looks like low weight has most of it concentrated on the rims... so i think they are a tad harder to spin up compared to other wheels of same weight...

http://www.formulahubs.com/en/xero/?method=detail&aid=30

This is XSR-1
http://www.formulahubs.com/en/xero/?method=detail&aid=118

actually, what they Shimano / SRAM call non series are parts that they made either for OEM distribution or certain parts that do not fall into an groupsets.

Like Shimano's r-540 pedals, they are not 105 group and also not belonging to tiagra group which doesn't produce pedal. They end up calling it non-series. Wheels like R500 used to be also considered a non-series.. as you don't find them listed in any of their mainstream group..

SRAM also calls their S500 / S900 and R2C TT shifters and brake levers as non-series as it doesn't fit into Red/Force/Rival or Apex but is compatible with all 4 groups.

long story short.. anything that does not fall into an existing groupset.. they term non-series...price and quality depends on the manufacturer's intended use for those group.. it could still be high end items or it could be entry level made for OEM use.

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 15 2012, 01:43 AM

Actually no shop recommend me SRAM component when I asked for it, they would always say Shimano is better.

Is there a SRAM equivalent for Shimano 105? How much a complete bike with it I should be expecting?

anybody want to sell their bike?hee
and is it worth to but trek 1.1 i guest 3k but with shimano 2300 only?dont see value at all to me....

it depends on which shop you go to? if they have shimano they recommend shimano if they others than you get the drift... no point recommending what you don't have right...

generally, if you are not the campy group... it is only down to shimano and sram... and the choice is yours at the end of the day... no right and wrong here...

as mechanical shifting goes, shimano is the japanese components manufacture that is the ever sensible & reliable group set that offers crisp shifting...they were the one who came in as the underdog of the road market to bring the game to campy back in the 90's... it is now SRAMs turn to show the 2 old dogs the game of re-invention..

SRAM came into the road market with their new innovative double tap shifting and offerings of better ergonomics on their shifting design... of course.. one can argue that shimano also came out with electronic shifting but they have yet to make electronic shifting components standard and bring prices down to affordable level... you be the judge at the end of the day.

without looking at Dura Ace Di2 electronic group, here is a matchup of the groups from both sides and their intended oppositions

SRAM Red
Shimano Dura Ace - SRAM Force
Shimano Ultegra - SRAM Rival
Shimano 105 - SRAM Apex

The advantage of Apex and Rival currently is their offerings of WiFli where they offer compact gearing instead of a front triple chainring gearset. Shimano is following suit with their recent announcement of 11-30T cassette for the Tiagra. They still do not offer up to the 11-32T that SRAM has to offer unless you take a 10-speed mountain bike cassette.

SRAM WiFli
http://www.sram.com/sram/road/technologies/255

With Shimano, you see quite a bit of changes as you go higher through the range of groupset, from finishing to materials used and of course Di2 on Dura Ace and recently the cheaper Di2 on ultegra which is not compatible to Dura Ace Di2

http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/gl...d/105_5700.html
http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/gl...tegra_6700.html
http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/gl...s/road/di2.html

SRAM practically almost do a complete trickle down of their technology from their top end groups to their cheapest groups (double tap, zeroloss, skeleton brakes), and in the case of WiFli it was actually bottom up from their entry level group. As you progress higher, the only changes would be more carbon / titanium used in parts and if you see specs closely. The only difference between a Force and Red is even more titanium and the use of ceramic bearings and the one thing that all SRAM groups doesn't have, Zeroloss shifting on the front derailleur.

at the end of the day... it really depends on which brand you like... SRAM has better shifter shape, double tap shifter where the shift lever handles both up and downshift while shimano's rely on a shift lever and the brake lever to shift up and down. Shimano has the japanese reliability and would last as long if not longer than your bike...

in terms of price from a consumer perspective.. Red comes in at around RM5.5k which is very close to Dura Ace if not cheaper. Force which is directly matched to the 7900 Dura Ace is priced at RM4k++

Double Tap
http://www.sram.com/sram/road/technologies/30

as i said at the start... it is your preference as some people don't really like the concept of double tap and is comfortable with their shimano or campagnolo groups all the while...


Trek Alpha 1.1? For a bit over RM3k you can get a tiagra equipped bike... and under RM2k you can a Sora equipped one for most of the other brands... i don't think it is RM3k... maybe MSRP... but if it is, then overpriced even if it is a Trek...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 14 2012, 11:20 PM

Hi, what's recommendation for a good bike frame for a beginner?

Weight doesn't matter but more on durability but open to opinions. Budget, around RM 0 - 3000, best bang for the buck.

2012 race season is just a few weeks away! Anyone here racing?

Dead or alive dunno, anyway damaged done.. No more bike hunting except I failed to get a helmet because my head is too big... swt.. I dunno how now..
Measured my head's circumferences it's 64cm..


Tried a small ride just now, almost ramp into someone cause don't know how to control the bike..



Bought a meter, headlights, rear lights and bottle holder with bottle as well..
4k pooorer now

This post has been edited by Sky.Live: Jan 15 2012, 05:58 PM

nice!

under 3k... think you can aim for any aluminum bikes with tiagra 10 speed... that should be very very tight only for a bike... if you pile in stuff like helmet, meter, lights, pedal and shoes.. might go over by a bit...

sora equipped will be safe but then tiagra will have 10 speed and negate the later upgrades if you can tahan...

any bike will be durable especially if you are a beginner... better dun spend too much on it...

LTDL? wat other races are there?

cool.. enjoy riding and if you don't have the confidence.. ride on quieter roads... that way, you are safer and no one is around if you make a fool out of yourself ..jus kiddin', ride safe.

from the looks of it.. you still have clipless pedals and shoes together with you helmet to go.. can be easily another RM1k bomb there

where did you get the focus from BTW?

aero wheels can be a big set back... are you talking about carbon deep dish aero wheels (40mm and above) or just normal aluminum clincher?

those carbon ones tubular or clincher sets you back 4k - 6k already... there are some reynolds for under RM2k i heard... aluminum clincher will slightly be easier.. mavic cosmics or SRAM S30 series should be under 3k..

entry carbon with full 105 or ultegra / 105 mix should come in from RM7k to 10k... seen Fuji (GH), Colnago (rodalink) in the upper 7k range and BMC and ridley or Blue (KSH) for about RM10k...

as i said.. depends on what wheels you want... full aero carbon sets with high profile in excess of 40mm can be quite expensive...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 15 2012, 10:41 PM