The formation of Para/PAC was due to malaysia not able to send troops quick to help Maldives. So having another 3 more regiment (with amphibious capabilities) will help Pac in future deployment. All malaysian troops are good in jungle warfare.
With Pac brigade reporting direct to ATM hq, Pac will be easy to rotate on their deployment.

Yes. But that duration is relatively short
That is part of why they can deploy faster than Army - less tail to carry
They are meant to hold while waiting for the rest of the Marine MEF, 101st/82nd/10th division and then the rest of the US Army to pile in


No, smallest MAGTF is Battalion Landing Teams - even have proposal to deploy Company Landing Teams... BLT meaning 3 infantry companies + lots and lots of add-ons

Don't look at divisions, divisions always have lots of attached units - look at brigade level, and compare heavy ground assets of a USMC Brigade and a US Army armour brigade.

A fully-equipped USMC MEB is assigned 1 company of tanks, 1 battalion of AAVs and 3 batteries of 155mm towed howitzers. A US Army armour brigade is assigned 6 companies of tanks, 6 companies of IFVs and 3 batteries of 155mm SPHs. That's why a USMC unit is considered lighter than US Army.

actually do the Mig29s still have useful flying hours left?

supposedly Typhoon engine less maintenance than Rafale?

TUDM do not want a single engine fighter. They are more like USN, the problem with USN on the F35 with the single engine is political. For country like malaysia which is split into two a twin engine fighter gives a 50/50 changes of the plane returning to the nearest runway if an engine fail. Russian plane and maintenance doctine is expansive. So a chinese plane using a ruskie engine would be the same. Pakistan is moving jF17 batch 3 which they are planning with western engine and avionics.

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the waters that Singapore has control over does not really justify for 6 submarines IMHO ...

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The submarines are not meant to patrol our waters...

I once heard a theory from a senior naval officer during a chit-chat session.

RSN is afraid of a Yom Kippur situation happening in SG.

So we are planning to have a lot of submarines to scramble to the coasts of Indonesia and Malaysia.

The purpose is to instill fear in the navies so that they will waste resources trying to defend and root out the subs.

The subs don't have to actually kill anything.

For SG, it's a bang-for-buck bargain.

For Malaysia wise, while, you don't really even need a Navy to surround SG waters...

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For Submarine both navies need it. For Sg it more for blockade prevention. This is to ensure no enemies could block and prevent merchant ship from entering the straits of malacca or even the SCS. Actually TLDM need more sub than SG. TLDM its more on territorial protection of Sabah/Sarawak and also SCS. And they need not just 2 sub but 6. Its a force multiplier. With Indo claiming ambalat and also Spratly area patro. Thats the reason the submarine is based in east malaysia not west malaysia.

Apa guna add another regiment if the current muster PAC is physically unable to conduct brigade sized jumps because of the lack of transport aircraft?

This post has been edited by heavyduty: Mar 12 2017, 07:46 AM

ermm, dont think its the same with sg, behind enemy lines yes but it looks as though 10para operates in battalion sized units... for sg, since it is mostly made up of nsmen, the max is usually a company and most common a section/squad level operations while under a combined arms unit (eg. commando company, separated in sections/squads distributed across a combined arms brigade) not 1 battalion all commandos..

hmm, trained in amphibious and being the main amphibious force is different.. considering msia doesnt have carrier.. better to have two separate units for this.. one para one amphibious

i see... thanks... brigade level jumps? msia have that many planes?

well, its not short per se, its more like what they are designated for..

hold? no.. MAGTF is always together.. whether is it MEU/MEB/MEF

the battalion is only the ground element... its always a complete MAGTF, which is the MEU.. they dont send in grunts without aviation/naval cover...

you left out the aviation side of the marine's MEB... you're comparing the land component only.. that's why to you the marine is lighter

buy more mkm?

TUDM have the ability to do it. But it a waste of money to do a large scale exercise. With the way ATM deploy the Para now, there is no way they will be able to do a brigade jump and also the jump site is on a pineapple plantation so asset such as the scorpion tank and other para asset are not deploy. But they can do it.
Anyway if Para are to have a brigade size exercise with full asset of stormer apc and scorpion tank. Every country in SEA will be on full alert.

For Para to do brigade jump with full asset. 1 its a waste of money. 2. Every country in SEA will on full alert, don't forget Para are offensive unit.

As for MKM, TUDM needs another full squadron of 18.
For me they should have 2 squadron of MKM, 2 squadron of rafale or Typhoon. 2 squadron of legacy Hornet or SH. This is more political reason why the 3 mix. They nees to choose one type of trainer, not having 2 type the mb399 and hawk.

Anyway, I think SG has stop using Charlie for commando jump due the airspace constrain.

Google maldives coup 1988.

Wikipedia on Para and. You get the answer and which regiment is jump certified first.

hmm, if money is a concern then why have it.. its like buying ferrari but afraid of buying fuel no?

ya... 2 squadrons of mkm would be good..

huh.. airspace constrain? got meh? use only chinook?

Malaysia fighter aircraft buy are more political than SG. The only way to keep them cheap and have longer service life is to have more plane. TUDM do not want ruskies as the plane is cheap but the maintenace doctrine is expansive. They are more like sngapore cars 10yrs and you scrap it. Weatern plane are more robust and easy to maintain.

And yes Sg got airspace constrain. Cheaper and political safe. All Sg fighter have to make high g turn after take off. Over shot Orang Johore marah.

until now i cant believe typhoon needs to be pampered that way

i guess Saudi airforce also must have a vast volume of special made hangars to pamper their typhoon

This post has been edited by keown83: Mar 12 2017, 09:54 AM

Actually I'll rather the use the 29 as it is,

If not air worthy, then scrap it.

As for replacement, they should hold up, spread the force thin for now, and hold on to what little funds the have, once they have enough later on, then get something useful and good like more mkm or if the time is suitable, the pakfa

Instead of wasting money on lease and subpar planes just for the sake of having a replacement

i love the smell of napalm in the morning !

gripen and super bug

Superhornet and 2nd hand hornet to make the legacy full squadron. Legacy hornet will be good for another 10 yrs. The grifen is good if TUDM want to switch to single engine fighter. After that TUDM will have a problem as there is no twin engine fighter coming out except the existing one in market. Therefore it best for them to buy big now.

As for the source even SG did not get them. What ever avionics and missile to be fix are done by boieng or northop. The only exeptional is Isreal. And even TUDM learned the hard way when it come to the MKM. That the reason China do a carbon copy of the SU27 so the can install their own missile. Nothing is free in the military world. For flight path therebis no ristiction, you can fly anywhere according to internation rule.
US company are now more protective as to country can do own upgrade which means less revenue. So far only F5, A4 and F4 are upgraded by country own company.

even though imma fan of typhoon, for malaysia scenario, imma full support for super hornet+hornet combined..can make a mix of 2nd hand hornet + new super-hornet

shrink the variety to Su-30MKM/SH-H/Hawk more easier for logistic, maintenance, support & training management