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mumbly297
post Mar 12 2017, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 10 2017, 08:39 PM)
No, for much the same reasons SG doesn't.
Whats the purpose of Marine Corps? Why would we need it?
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Yes malaysia need it. With 3 regiment of Para in PAC train in amphibious ooeration. It would be good to have 3 more regiment non Para which is train in pure amphibious operation as the British Marine commando. It also will help ease the Para in their deployment in Esscom.
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post Mar 12 2017, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 12 2017, 01:13 AM)
they dont have logistics issue, their role is already pre-determined for a certain duration.. within that duration they are self sustaining..

after that period and after performing their supposed role, occupying and main invasion force should be the one taking over... marine corp is together with the navy, they are independent of the army and air force.. they have their own aviation element

no, USMC doesnt work on a battalion (russian/us army) basis as a independent unit... the smallest MAGTF is a MEU.. and its not comparable to army units because it has fixed attack wings

compared to us army division? as in with a marine division? but marine divisions dont work alone, its always part of a MEF
no suit yet?
i would say csscom (transport n supply) guys really do a good job, every year more than 8k men gets send overseas... at the moment battalion level being the largest overseas, soon brigade level aka 20k service men in total will be sent overseas annually... i doubt any country in the region move so many men overseas every year..
US army depends on US navy too...
actually i dont get how msia's para brigade works.. like VDV? dont look like it... like commandos? but they work at such huge units.. ww2 paratroopers? i doubt.. are they like the IDF's para?
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Malaysian Para is more like SG commando and British Para. Old school doctrine drop behind enemy line. It would be a waste if they are to be also the main amphibious unit. It would be better if Pac brigade to add 3 more regiment to be train in amphibious. As for equipment for amphibious wise the malaysia has it. For now this regiment should be train on the amphibious assault and doctrine adjuated when new equipment are bought.
With the 3 para regiment. The Pac brigade are tie down as one are on stand by for UN duties, one in esscom and one regiment for rotation.
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post Mar 12 2017, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Mar 12 2017, 01:45 AM)
Organised similar to the British 16th air assault brigade but with training of royal marines

10th brigade is more 'ad-hoc' than the 16th air assault brigade in that the individual rifle battalions usually separate to do more 'commando' stuff.But they can do brigade level jumps if the need arises
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The formation of Para/PAC was due to malaysia not able to send troops quick to help Maldives. So having another 3 more regiment (with amphibious capabilities) will help Pac in future deployment. All malaysian troops are good in jungle warfare.
With Pac brigade reporting direct to ATM hq, Pac will be easy to rotate on their deployment.
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post Mar 12 2017, 03:56 AM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 11 2017, 11:56 PM)
u are wierd fella..dun u think its contradict to ur statement earlier that comment about the rojakness of ATM inventory, then suddenly suggest JF17 which never had any history with ATM hence contribute to more ATM's rojakness in their inventory?
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TUDM do not want a single engine fighter. They are more like USN, the problem with USN on the F35 with the single engine is political. For country like malaysia which is split into two a twin engine fighter gives a 50/50 changes of the plane returning to the nearest runway if an engine fail. Russian plane and maintenance doctine is expansive. So a chinese plane using a ruskie engine would be the same. Pakistan is moving jF17 batch 3 which they are planning with western engine and avionics.
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post Mar 12 2017, 06:24 AM

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[quote=TigerLion,Mar 8 2017, 04:20 PM]
the waters that Singapore has control over does not really justify for 6 submarines IMHO ...
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The submarines are not meant to patrol our waters... biggrin.gif

I once heard a theory from a senior naval officer during a chit-chat session.

RSN is afraid of a Yom Kippur situation happening in SG.

So we are planning to have a lot of submarines to scramble to the coasts of Indonesia and Malaysia.

The purpose is to instill fear in the navies so that they will waste resources trying to defend and root out the subs.

The subs don't have to actually kill anything.

For SG, it's a bang-for-buck bargain.

For Malaysia wise, while, you don't really even need a Navy to surround SG waters... sad.gif
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For Submarine both navies need it. For Sg it more for blockade prevention. This is to ensure no enemies could block and prevent merchant ship from entering the straits of malacca or even the SCS. Actually TLDM need more sub than SG. TLDM its more on territorial protection of Sabah/Sarawak and also SCS. And they need not just 2 sub but 6. Its a force multiplier. With Indo claiming ambalat and also Spratly area patro. Thats the reason the submarine is based in east malaysia not west malaysia.

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post Mar 12 2017, 07:55 AM

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Mar 12 2017, 12:54 PM
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post Mar 12 2017, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Mar 12 2017, 07:45 AM)
Apa guna add another regiment if the current muster PAC is physically unable to conduct brigade sized jumps because of the lack of transport aircraft?
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TUDM have the ability to do it. But it a waste of money to do a large scale exercise. With the way ATM deploy the Para now, there is no way they will be able to do a brigade jump and also the jump site is on a pineapple plantation so asset such as the scorpion tank and other para asset are not deploy. But they can do it.
Anyway if Para are to have a brigade size exercise with full asset of stormer apc and scorpion tank. Every country in SEA will be on full alert.
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post Mar 12 2017, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 12 2017, 07:53 AM)
ermm, dont think its the same with sg, behind enemy lines yes but it looks as though 10para operates in battalion sized units... for sg, since it is mostly made up of nsmen, the max is usually a company and most common a section/squad level operations while under a combined arms unit (eg. commando company, separated in sections/squads distributed across a combined arms brigade) not 1 battalion all commandos..

hmm, trained in amphibious and being the main amphibious force is different.. considering msia doesnt have carrier.. better to have two separate units for this.. one para one amphibious
i see... thanks... brigade level jumps? msia have that many planes?
well, its not short per se, its more like what they are designated for..

hold? no.. MAGTF is always together.. whether is it MEU/MEB/MEF

the battalion is only the ground element... its always a complete MAGTF, which is the MEU.. they dont send in grunts without aviation/naval cover...

you left out the aviation side of the marine's MEB... you're comparing the land component only.. that's why to you the marine is lighter
buy more mkm?
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For Para to do brigade jump with full asset. 1 its a waste of money. 2. Every country in SEA will on full alert, don't forget Para are offensive unit.

As for MKM, TUDM needs another full squadron of 18.
For me they should have 2 squadron of MKM, 2 squadron of rafale or Typhoon. 2 squadron of legacy Hornet or SH. This is more political reason why the 3 mix. They nees to choose one type of trainer, not having 2 type the mb399 and hawk.

Anyway, I think SG has stop using Charlie for commando jump due the airspace constrain.
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post Mar 12 2017, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(greghome @ Mar 12 2017, 08:30 AM)
what did maldives do to malaysia or vice versa?
can't seem to google this.
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Wikipedia on Para and. You get the answer and which regiment is jump certified first.
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post Mar 12 2017, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 12 2017, 08:58 AM)
hmm, if money is a concern then why have it.. its like buying ferrari but afraid of buying fuel no?

ya... 2 squadrons of mkm would be good..

huh.. airspace constrain? got meh? use only chinook?
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Malaysia fighter aircraft buy are more political than SG. The only way to keep them cheap and have longer service life is to have more plane. TUDM do not want ruskies as the plane is cheap but the maintenace doctrine is expansive. They are more like sngapore cars 10yrs and you scrap it. Weatern plane are more robust and easy to maintain.

And yes Sg got airspace constrain. Cheaper and political safe. All Sg fighter have to make high g turn after take off. Over shot Orang Johore marah.
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post Mar 12 2017, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Mar 12 2017, 11:04 AM)
gripen and super bug  laugh.gif
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Superhornet and 2nd hand hornet to make the legacy full squadron. Legacy hornet will be good for another 10 yrs. The grifen is good if TUDM want to switch to single engine fighter. After that TUDM will have a problem as there is no twin engine fighter coming out except the existing one in market. Therefore it best for them to buy big now.
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post Mar 12 2017, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 12 2017, 10:40 AM)
one time back the then leader of malaysia was mad because us fighter's on board computer was locked and controlled by the manufacter and flight path were limited, deswy moved to source from the russian.

mana tau, the russian planes have durability issue, especially the engine, need major overall over a short period of flight hours.

a round trip from kuantan to sabah sarawak is enough to ground our russian migs and su for major service dry.gif
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As for the source even SG did not get them. What ever avionics and missile to be fix are done by boieng or northop. The only exeptional is Isreal. And even TUDM learned the hard way when it come to the MKM. That the reason China do a carbon copy of the SU27 so the can install their own missile. Nothing is free in the military world. For flight path therebis no ristiction, you can fly anywhere according to internation rule.
US company are now more protective as to country can do own upgrade which means less revenue. So far only F5, A4 and F4 are upgraded by country own company.

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post Mar 12 2017, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 12 2017, 11:49 AM)
even though imma fan of typhoon, for malaysia scenario, imma full support for super hornet+hornet combined..can make a mix of 2nd hand hornet + new super-hornet

shrink the variety to Su-30MKM/SH-H/Hawk more easier for logistic, maintenance, support & training management
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True so if in the future TUDM should concentrate of having 2 MKM squadron (1 gong kedah and 1 in labuan) and 2 super bug ( 1 in butterworth and 1 in east malaysia) in this way they will save on fuel and logistic. SG went for F15 due to engine commonality. Safe on logistic but as Sg the price is more on training airspace. Training and station personnel in france, australia and USA is more expensive than MY having that number of plane.
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post Mar 12 2017, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Mar 12 2017, 03:32 PM)
older than ours. they received early 90s. but some observer/enthusiast said their hornet got low mileage.
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Hornets are made for carrier landing. Structure wise its much more stronger than f16.So normal air force that use hornet can use for much longer time. Look at Iranian f14. The problem with the f18c/d avionics upgrade will be expansive as not many user. The engine and missile are easy to purchase.
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post Mar 12 2017, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 12 2017, 03:36 PM)
Sure

But dyou really think Big Boss is that keen to buy from US? He terus ram through full China package right after 1mdb

And dyou really think Singkies won't have a say about it?

Politics is politics, yeah? Despite what manufacturers and soldiers alike wish for...
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Since when sinkies have a say in what FMS sale by US to malaysia. If you know the history and ties the two country have and the way US congress work. Your old helicopter were use to be sinkies and was donated. And during confrantasi 2Sir guys died in malaysia. The top politician sometime make it look bad to get the people support but at the end of the day they are friends.
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post Mar 12 2017, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 12 2017, 05:38 PM)
yes, yes, and FPDA, and all
but Fat & Fluffy can tell you what is Singkieland policy re: fighter jets in the region.
you think they won't go cry to US?
whether US listen or not is another thing, I agree
Separately/reluctantly, I believe laugh.gif

Times of India fires the shots (look at the reference to SU-30MKI brows.gif )

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/a...ow/57546519.cms

Sputnik News hits back

https://sputniknews.com/military/2017031010...ighter-dispute/

enjoy the popcorn laugh.gif
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Alamak bro, why you got negative thinking on other country blocking your country defence purchase. Every country got there individual needs. No country can stop what you purchase. If you indonesia future mimimum defence operation requirement everyone will be scared upon seeing the number. But to a our point of view, if your country is strong the whole sea asia will be stable. Respect and hope for the best for your servicemen, they need the best.

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post Mar 12 2017, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 12 2017, 10:26 PM)
https://www.facebook.com/pg/oursingaporearm...154965136436063

dont see a single female also..
haih.. why la infantry.. most likely thrown into 8/9SIR... long term not sustainable for girl's body...

so lucky get 3 years ctr...
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Regular contract not 5yrs meh
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post Mar 12 2017, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Mar 12 2017, 11:10 PM)
5 years is for guys who have not completed their NS.

The standard contract length is 3 years.
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Change a lot le, my cuz first contract was 5 and his second was still years. After the he fo civ but still need to do reservist.
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post Mar 12 2017, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 12 2017, 11:14 PM)
Change a lot le, my cuz first contract was 5 and his second was still years. After the he fo civ but still need to do reservist.
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2nd still another 5 year.
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post Mar 12 2017, 11:29 PM

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[quote=mumbly297,Mar 12 2017, 11:14 PM]Change a lot le, my cuz first contract was 5 and his second was still years. After the he fo civ but still need to do reservist.
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